Re[2]: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 11:03:04 AM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Jernej, LG Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 8:14:46 AM, you wrote: Jernej BTW, where's _your_ cut mark? LG He has one. Right below his name. LG -- LG Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). LG Tagline of the day: LG First things first, but not necessarily in that order. But it appears that the space after the -- is being discarded when the following are used to create or reply to a message: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 or Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1250 and the RTF viewer is used. The signature, tagline, etc. appear as black and not silver color and the space is not there. But when the source is viewed (via F9) the space is there. Is it just a problem with the RTF viewer? Or my settings? -- Regards, Plan9 On the seventh day He brewed beer Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 12:19:44 PM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Plan9, LG Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 9:58:56 AM, you wrote: Plan9 The signature, tagline, etc. appear as black and not silver Plan9 color and the space is not there. But when the source is viewed Plan9 (via F9) the space is there. Is it just a problem with the RTF Plan9 viewer? Or my settings? LG Hmmm. I'm thinking it's on your settings. His shows up as grey as does LG mine and yours. LG How does your cut mark look when you view your own message? It's grey as is should be. And so is your's as long as your message is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii as shown by F9. Hmmm. I'll tinker with the settings, send some messages to myself to conserve list bandwith, and see what develops. -- Regards, Plan9 I smoke in moderation, only one cigar at a time. -Mark Twain Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top Posting / Cut Mark
Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 2:24:50 PM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Plan9, LG Tuesday, June 8, 2004, 11:38:23 AM, you wrote: Plan9 It's grey as is should be. And so is your's as long as your Plan9 message is: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii as shown Plan9 by F9. LG Hmmm. I know I haven't changed any of my charsets. I wonder what's LG going on. I don't know how to correct it, but I now know what triggers the missing space in the cut mark. Any message that has: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable when viewed in the Rich Text viewer will not display the space. I took a good message with: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit, displayed the source with F9, copied it to a text editor, changed the 7bit to quoted-printable, saved it as a x.eml, imported into TheBat and the space was not displayed in the Rich Text viewer. I did the converse, took a message that had Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable, used F9, copied the source into a text editor, changed quoted-printable to 7bit, saved it as y.eml, imported into TheBat and the space was displayed and everything below the -- was grey. Even Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit displays correctly. So it appears that Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable triggers the undesirable behavior. I changed every setting I could think of and nothing changed this Rich Text viewer behavior. What triggers TheBat to use Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable in a message? I even set ACCOUNT PROPERTIES - MAIL MANAGEMENT to as Quoted-printable and all of my messages still use 7bit. Anyone else seeing this behavior in the Rich Text viewer? -- Regards, Plan9 The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
A Nothing like 3 pages of A quotes followed by a reply that reads something like A Right :-) You got that right! Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi, MLC Does TB! have no way to suppress quoted text? Delete the %QUOTES macro from your reply template. E I think he is after suppressing quoted text in posts E received. I also very much dislike going through quoted E messaging to get to the response. I usually read in real E time, remember the original message, don't like it repeated E when I am looking for the response. This would be a great feature. Mutt (from my unix days) used to have this feature and it was very handy to just hit a button and hide all the quoted text immediately and just read the text added. Regards, Arthur -- SecureBat! Lite 2.10.02 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)
Hi Allen, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 7:37:29 AM, you wrote: A Even if all that is irrelevant, there is some value in a strictly inforced A 'my way or the highway' approach--if there were conditions on when top A posting was and was not accepted, it would be near impossible to enforce A any sort of quoting policy--since it would all, inherently, be judgement A calls. There would be arguments, confusion, and a lot more inconvenience A than the current system. There is certainly validity in what you are saying about the difficulty of enforcement. Personally, I'd primarily enforce trimming the quotes and not worry so much about top or bottom quoting. On the other hand, I have no problem following the existing rules, I was just stating my view. -- Wayne King Current version is 2.10.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Roelof, Friday, July 4, 2003, 5:12:37 AM, you wrote: RO I'd prefer trimming quotes above top posting. I might be generalizing, RO but I've never received a top posted message with trimmed quotes. What RO I receive on a regular base are messages like this: RO ,- [ ] RO | Yes RO | 2 RO | Tomorrow RO | RO | Followed by a fully quoted message containing three questions. RO `- RO And to be honest that sucks. That would even suck on a five lines RO screen, since you need to scroll down to find the message. Yes, I've seen a lot of those. Actually, with sender, subject and top five lines, I can pretty much figure out what it's for. However, with this was reversed, I would not have known, he/she wanted to see me at 2 tomorrow w/o having to retrieve the whole message. With a slower connection (GPRS is supposed to be 56K, but I have never gotten anything that close), it would take me more time to download the whole message. If a lot of people did this (and they do), I would be waiting for the message download for a long time. RO BTW You started your question as an answer to another thread. That's RO not the best thing to do for the following reason. Yes, sorry about that. I've always forget that you have to start a new message rather than reply and change the subject/body. Thanks. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Carsten, Friday, July 4, 2003, 8:39:09 AM, you wrote: CT If you want to communicate and don't have enough bandwidth ... CT --/.-/-.--/-.../. -.--/---/..- ...//---/..-/.-../-.. -/.-./-.-- CT .../---/--/. -././.-- ---/.-../-.. -/.-./.-/-./.../..-././.-. CT ./-./-.-./---/-../../-./--./... .-.-.-/.-.-.-/.-.-.- CT :-) Very funny, but it's really not. Some of us do pay for bandwidth when we use our Smartphones. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Wayne, you wrote: You couldn't separate me from my Palm, but I never saw an advantage of using it for email. I use it for about everything else though! What kind of stuff do you use it for? -- John Morse pagemaker -at- semo -dot- net Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Carsten, Friday, July 4, 2003, 2:16:10 PM, you wrote: CT Don't these toys give you access to a webmail application via a CT builtin browser or can't you install a ssh client[1] on them? CT * Can't you use IMAP? That means reading mails online and downloading CT only those mails that you want to. What applications do you use on CT Smartphones? Any time you use the data service, you get charged. There are monthly flat fees, but if you go over the assigned time or data bytes, they charge you an exorbitant amount per usage. I try not to go over my monthly allotment, and therefore do not download full messages. It also saves time as well. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Leif, Thursday, July 3, 2003, 5:42:19 PM, you wrote: LG Or better yet... If people would trim their quotes. I would second that. . . -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Thomas, Friday, July 4, 2003, 12:30:05 AM, you wrote: TF I see your point but am amazed that you see more and more people TF migrating *to* that technology. I would have thought it's very TF nineties. Actually smartphones are 21st century technology (cell + PDA). The first popular PDA didn't come about till 1996, and the first combination smartphone didn't hit the market till 2000. It's probably the device everyone will be using ten years from now (could be sooner according to some analysts). -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Top posting
Hello Thomas, Friday, July 4, 2003, 1:06:15 AM, you wrote: TF Yes, I have seen one guy recentlywith what looked like a very huge TF mobile phone with which he could also do other things. Looked bulky TF and uncomfortable to me. Also, I fail to see why someone needs to be TF reachable by email while in an airport departure hall. If anything is TF urgent, call. There is also SMS, which is so widely used nowadays, TF that it has become one of the important sources of income for the GSM TF companies. If you really have to see an attached file, I cannot fathom TF why it couldn't wait a few hours (short of being a stock-broker). You probably haven't tried the Treo. I carry it in my pants' pocket, and most of the time, I don't even notice I have it with me. Also the new Treo 600 is much slimmer than the current Treo. It's one device that pretty much does all. Yes, SMS is nice, but you can't send a long message though. The Treo also handles SMS as well. When I was in the airport the other day, I wrote a couple of e-mails to my colleagues and sent them and checked my e-mails, and deleted most of the ones I don't need off the server. I do this when I'm away from office, and this way I don't have to deal with hundreds of messages when I return to my office. Most of folks I know who have used one of these devices would not trade it once they started using it. Going back to a regular cell phone to me is unthinkable. I think we are getting off topic here, and I'll stop here. -- Best regards, Kennethmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
