Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 5:58:15 AM you wrote: You still have friends? I mean, are they visible to other people? I don't exactly know. Last time they came it was in an unmarked, inconspicuous, flat flying object that nobody except me seemed to notice. But there have been reports - especially from the US - that they have been seen ... and even been examined. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Da, wo der Wille groß ist, können die Schwierigkeiten nicht groß sein. (Niccolo Machiavelli) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwtTSPTo1oA8g8dLEQKskgCg7q2uS62KHQyR2zePLmjFy22KTVkAoIQR BYzwdcSnozploJ9e/QSzLoQY =P7dp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hello Dierk, On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 6:02:32 PM you wrote: DH Are you sure I did not mean Quantum Electro Dynamics ...?! Seems like there's an other reader of the famous magazine c't :-)? -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53 Beta/8 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 10:46:33 AM you wrote: Seems like there's an other reader of the famous magazine c't :-)? Actually I've read Feynman. But I do read c't sometimes. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Love is not give-and-take, it's give-and-give! (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwt04vTo1oA8g8dLEQJIAgCgwIEhcjlQrdI1KL9yrMiDsXnRnOIAn07F dKLK5HtPVBFB+7nB64GIyUnE =GV2x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT: chat (was Re: When Did This Start?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 23 May 2001 at 11:29:21 +0200(which was 10:29 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to Peter Palmreuther and made these points: Seems like there's an other reader of the famous magazine c't :-)? DH Actually I've read Feynman. But I do read c't sometimes. moderator Time to go private, methinks :-). /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7C5FwOeQkq5KdzaARAm5kAKCRpKL+tSHb4QcTb5/28/bsqoikiQCfUuuf MFKgMCrq6biAArgrzSdcJOQ= =Smq1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: chat (was Re: When Did This Start?)
Hello Marck, On Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 12:31:11 PM you wrote: MDP moderator MDP Time to go private, methinks :-). MDP /moderator Me too :-) ... Sorry I didn't marked it as OT and really last before DEAD HORSE, simply forgotten :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53 Beta/8 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) All men have the right to dig their own graves, and I have the right to sell them the shovels. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jason! On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 9:49:49 PM you wrote: (although I might be using GPG since I've never heard of it before and thus don't know what it is). PGP under the GNU license. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwoEzPTo1oA8g8dLEQIrUACfQl+KUkLgoxpAp+pJ6RwgPMw5TL8An1js 9GZIC/Nsm1kvUQGOxmWGyqD5 =qgoK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 10:14:46 PM you wrote: From. Just starting with from. ;-) Right, and no added when I received it. Meaning your message has not been sent through a server who would add it anywhere on the way. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Any fool can make a rule - and every fool can mind it. (Henry David Thoreau) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwoGBvTo1oA8g8dLEQKvRwCfT78CoghTX4soWGtkh81HONaksO4AnR77 bvvLmmfeK5qe8EMwtUEuGP0P =f/Pv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Nick! On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 10:15:21 PM you wrote: No, the character isn't inserted by the Editor as you are typing, but is inserted after you have Sent the message. Actually it is not after you have Sent the message but *after the message has left your computer and *has been received by a server*. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwoGdvTo1oA8g8dLEQLp/gCgvdTZhBred12n2kB9uNjL4Y7ra8QAoLpD pwiLt/O67u29N5gTQaKQqP+I =Z4hI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jason! On Monday, May 21, 2001 at 10:03:15 PM you wrote: But actually, it is doing it. When I tested, the editor did not kick in - it never actually showed up in my editor screen. But once I sent the message, *then* it had it (and in fact so does yours). The correct way for the experiment: 1. Compose a message in the editor with From starting a line (without quotation marks). 2. Send the message *to the Outbox* - not directly. 3. Now look at the message in your Outbox. Caveat: Don't save the massage as a Draft! Use the toolbar button Outbox (second from the left) or F2. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Be contend with what you get, and what you get will be contend with you. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwoFj/To1oA8g8dLEQJPmQCgoewAljswN642mrMwJ2KGf9Ajd2AAnjBA wpYu6fHbvh5AKpw3jJaJl+Y+ =+MC9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, On 22 May 2001 at 10:32:37 +0800 (which was 03:32 where I live) Thomas wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone on TBUDL and made these points: MDP This is not possible unless TB removes such instances on receipt. T Here you hint at the fix: TB should remove it. I mean, other mail T client can, why can't TB? This has been my wish forever (Nick: yes, T it has been here forever.) I don't consider that 100% safe though. Some clients (OE included) tight quote like this: From the look of your message, you're getting fed up with the way things have been going with the project Simply unquoting the From line isn't always the answer. :-( - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7CjJIOeQkq5KdzaARAjYxAKCYQUA0Y7Up+pZHus/2bxc1vR/H7QCg9hyW d0omZj52RzI1koYvxzYyNkM= =Ovn7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hi Marck, On Tue, 22 May 2001 10:32:55 +0100GMT (22/05/2001, 17:32 +0800GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP I don't consider that 100% safe though. Some clients (OE included) MDP tight quote like this: From the look of your message, you're getting fed up with the way things have been going with the project MDP Simply unquoting the From line isn't always the answer. :-( OK, here is the solution: hand in a suggestion to the makers of OE. - Errr... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hello Dierk, On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 9:25:57 AM you wrote: DH Actually it is not after you have Sent the message but *after the DH message has left your computer and *has been received by a server*. to be more specific: the FINAL server STORING the mail, usually the POP-toaster you're accessing to (which of course must have a SMTP-input too :-)) CAN add the at the beginning of line with a From as first word. This is used usually because the unix-mailbox-format looks like this: == From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 22 08:55:21 2001 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 3792 invoked from network); 21 May 2001 20:19:14 - ... Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:15:21 -0700 From: Nick Andriash [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000) D916F-9A79F ... List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia On May 21, 2001, at 12:57:33 PM, Karin Spaink wrote: ... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 22 10:05:18 2001 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 15712 invoked from network); 22 May 2001 07:58:03 - ... Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:25:57 +0200 From: Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53 Beta/8) Personal ... List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 == Where I inserted the /\-line the first message is over. The POP-toaster knows you're using to retrieve your mail knows because of THAT \n\nFrom email@domain Date and Time\n format when a new message starts. To prevent it from stating a new message when a line in the MAIL starts with From a CAN be suffixed when STORING/WRITING the mail to disk. All SMTP-Servers do not need this prevention, because they NEVER transfer two or more mails at one because a message MUST end with \n.\n when SMTP-transferred. So the guilty one is the last, mail-storing, server in the mail-way-through-the-net-chain :-) Hope I was able to make me understood :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53 Beta/8 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) Oh, fuck! You did it just like I told you to! -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: When Did This Start?
Hello all, You wrote on 5/22/2001, 12:51 PM: Peter This is used usually because the unix-mailbox-format looks like this: Peter == That was the end of the message, it seems that at least the copy I received was mutilated :) At the same time I received two message fragments from Dierk and Nick, which were not filtered to my TBUDL folder because of incomplete headers: -8-CUT HERE-- |Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Received: (qmail 3792 invoked from network); 21 May 2001 20:19:14 - |... |Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:15:21 -0700 |From: Nick Andriash [EMAIL PROTECTED] |X-Mailer: Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000) D916F-9A79F |... |List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia |Status: -8-CUT HERE-- -- Cheers, SyP There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed. (Bill Gates in an interview with Focus magazine, Oct 23, 1995.) -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 12:51:00 PM you wrote: So the guilty one is the last, mail-storing, server in the mail-way-through-the-net-chain :-) That means Nick is wrongly presuming GMX did it to his mail. Evidence? Easy, I use GMX for mailing lists (and some other stuff) and get those quote prefix added only some time. It looks a bit like a random process. Today I got a message over this list, in this thread, which did not show From (without quotation marks), as I immediately wrote back. QED (Latin, not Feynman) - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If all men acted from enlightened self interest, the world would be a paradise in comparison to what it is. (Bertrand Russell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwo9VPTo1oA8g8dLEQJ3PACgrEppgXOITK/QpyxqarW7XNbsuAYAmwYR 62X1prurrSzM+O/07ecJtdJ8 =B7Js -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hello Peter, On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 12:51:00 PM you wrote: PP To prevent it from stating a new message when a line in the MAIL PP starts with From a CAN be suffixed when STORING/WRITING the mail Sorry ... I have to correct myself ... I meant CAN be prefixed (not suffixed!!!) ... As always I was confusing the suff-pre-what-ever-things :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53 Beta/8 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2) So close, no matter how far... couldn't be much more from the heart. Forever trusting who we are, and nothing else matters. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Tuesday, May 22, 2001, 2:13:03 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Ugh, I've had quite enough of this. Point made: -there are some old routers out there that put at the beginning of your From line -TB! is not the culprit -suggest TB! coders to make a fix so that the from the From line gets trashed if it is found. I feel the stinch of a dead horse already. -- PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=send_PGP_key If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed... ...Oh wait, he already does. __ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Peter! On Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 1:46:07 PM you wrote: I never got a mail in this thread with the From line (except a reply!) in it. Funny since I replied to the message ... And have it deleted in the meantime. DH QED (Latin, not Feynman) Geee Who would have expected THAT? *grin* You mead the abbreviation of quod erat demonstrandum is Latin? WOW :-) THAT, in fact, you should have to proof *biggrin* Are you sure I did not mean Quantum Electro Dynamics ...?! My friends tend to think of my humour as weird and twisted ;-).* *Three of my favourite authors may give proof: Tom Sharpe, Carl Hiaasen and the late Douglas Adams. Sorry to digress! - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53 Beta/8 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Better be mediocre - remember, they shot John, not Ringo. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOwp/ifTo1oA8g8dLEQKHKQCgtRgqumbnUcTtBDGZgSu7VbUAOk8AnjhX WgH5XUPaAyZDVJAFn2tVhtSf =5ET+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hello Dierk, On Tue, 22 May 2001 18:02:32 +0200 GMT (23/05/2001, 00:02 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: DH My friends tend to think of my humour as weird and twisted ;-).* You still have friends? I mean, are they visible to other people? SCNR! -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In an advertisement by a Hong Kong dentist: Teeth extracted by the latest Methodists. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53 Beta/8 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
When Did This Start?
All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with from by putting a in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape that line. This is what I mean: From here on in... This line should have in front of it now. Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any sentences beginning with From? ;o) -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ SecureBat! v1.53 Beta 8/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE 4.10 ] [ PGP 7.1 (Build 174) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hello Nick, On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 12:41:16 [GMT -0700] (which was 21/05/2001 (D/M/Y) 21:41 where I live) you wrote: NA From here on in... This line should have in front of it now. It hasn't in my screen. It appears only in the quotation,not in the original mail -- Best regards, Joan Josep mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
On 21-05-2001 at 21:41, Nick Andriash kindly wrote: All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with from by putting a in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape that line. This is what I mean: From here on in... This line should have in front of it now. It doesn't ;-) me tries From here on in... Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and putting quote characters in from^Hnt. - K - -- Our society desperately needs monsters to reclaim its own moral virginity. - Sylvère Lotringer -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: When Did This Start?
Hello Karin, me tries From here on in... Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and putting quote characters in from^Hnt. But actually, it is doing it. When I tested, the editor did not kick in - it never actually showed up in my editor screen. But once I sent the message, *then* it had it (and in fact so does yours). You might think that it is inserting it on receive, but it isn't, because I checked the message on the server itself (before TB downloaded it) and the bracket was there already. So TB is inserting this at send, but it is not inserting it as you type. Jason -- Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hi Nick, On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 12:41:16 -0700 you wrote: NA All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting NA with from by putting a in front of it. I've never noticed NA that before, and so now I have to use the dash-escape feature NA of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape that line. This is what I NA mean: From here on in... This line should have in front of it now. It had for me, but not for others, I guess. NA Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never NA typed any sentences beginning with From? ;o) I remember that this was discussed before, and the conclusion was that this happened on the way. There are some servers that add when a line starts with 'from' to make sure it's not mistaken for the beginning of a new message. This is also the reason why it happens only to some of us (see Joan's and Jason's messages). -- Regards, Lars The Bat! 1.53 Beta/8 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 |Lars Geiger | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]| | PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=GetPublicKey | -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
On May 21, 2001, at 12:57:33 PM, Karin Spaink wrote: Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and putting quote characters in from^Hnt. No, the character isn't inserted by the Editor as you are typing, but is inserted after you have Sent the message. -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ SecureBat! v1.53 Beta 8/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE 4.10 ] [ PGP 7.1 (Build 174) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: When Did This Start?
Hello Jason, On Mon, 21 May 2001, at 16:03:15 [GMT -0400] (which was 21/05/2001 (D/M/Y) 22:03 where I live) you wrote: JE So TB is inserting this at send, but it JE is not inserting it as you type. No, unless TB! is smart enough to delete it in my comp. -- Best regards, Joan Josep mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 21, 2001, at 1:10:30 PM, Lars Geiger wrote: I remember that this was discussed before, and the conclusion was that this happened on the way. There are some servers that add when a line starts with 'from' to make sure it's not mistaken for the beginning of a new message. This is also the reason why it happens only to some of us (see Joan's and Jason's messages). Oh, alright then. In the GnuPG Manual, it states that some MUA's insert the character, and did not specifically mention it might be a Server that does it. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ SecureBat! v1.53 Beta 8/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE 4.10 ] [ PGP 7.1 (Build 174) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.77 Comment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE7CXjCxQKEdHuj/c4RAg5/AKC+sDZ4Y+uMWeu44W273v1U8I5oywCeNyju uEH/DTdMBdNZbISpthUZcpE= =KzIg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jason, On 21 May 2001 at 15:49:49 -0400 (which was 20:49 where I live) Jason Ellis wrote to Nick Andriash and made these points: JE I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51. It is not TB. It is done by routing Unix servers to avoid confusion with the From: line which indicates the start of a message body. That is why some see it and others (including myself) do not. JE This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that JE needs to be fixed. This is not possible unless TB removes such instances on receipt. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7CXm0OeQkq5KdzaARAnbbAJsFfPedOBpEdLz9g7iVPGso5DGe4ACgmaCM ZV4c1sjCrvoV46lrVDXKz9A= =k2/U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: When Did This Start?
JE I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51. It is not TB. It is done by routing Unix servers to avoid confusion with the From: line which indicates the start of a message body. That is why some see it and others (including myself) do not. That's interesting, except we're not running Unix servers, we're running NT (and I'm sending from myself to myself so it's not touching anything except our own servers). Can anyone say whether IMail (from Ipswitch www.ipswitch.com) exhibits this behaviour? -- Jason Ellis, CEO Hosting Solutions, Inc. www.windowswebhost.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
On 21-05-2001 at 22:03, Jason Ellis kindly wrote: Hello Karin, me tries From here on in... Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and putting quote characters in from^Hnt. But actually, it is doing it. When I tested, the editor did not kick in - it never actually showed up in my editor screen. But once I sent the message, *then* it had it (and in fact so does yours). Nope, not in mine. Neither in my Outbox, my Sent box *nor* on TB as I received it. I checked. And double-checked. This is weird. Couldf it be that TB 1.51 *sees* it differently? [I use TB 1.52] - K - -- I lost my temper but I found it and nailed it down real hard so it won't get lost anymore. - Kari Jacobi on TBUDL, Dec 11 2000 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Jason, On 21 May 2001 at 16:37:19 -0400 (which was 21:37 where I live) Jason Ellis wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points: JE Can anyone say whether IMail (from Ipswitch www.ipswitch.com) exhibits JE this behaviour? QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do with it. GPG has an option to do it. TB has nothing whatsoever to do with it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7CYLaOeQkq5KdzaARAk5IAKDB3q35sCmUPQA9tmCDgnLOBMuKSACffsu3 8VJqw4GjKUcF2WBhM0mJbcM= =5Ifi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hello Nick, Monday, May 21, 2001, 9:41:16 PM, you wrote: NA All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with from by putting a in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I NA have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape NA that line. This is what I mean: From here on in... This line should have in front of it now. NA Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any NA sentences beginning with From? ;o) Same problem here. I'm using 1.52f. Although I recently never started with From. But out of curiosity i tried it. From. Just starting with from. ;-) -- Best regards, Nickmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://khaleehlo.be TiMe i§ N°wHere, we're jµ§T (aµgHT BeTweeN -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 21, 2001, at 2:04:26 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do with it. GPG has an option to do it. TB has nothing whatsoever to do with it. Actually Marck, what GnuPG has an option to do, and which PGP defaults to, is dash-escaping lines that start with From... like the following: - From now should have been dash-escaped by GnuPG. By dash-escaping lines like that, they prevent the Servers from amending them with what we know as the quote character. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ SecureBat! v1.53 Beta 8/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE 4.10 ] [ PGP 7.1 (Build 174) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.77 Comment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE7CZ0exQKEdHuj/c4RAqH4AJ9JAlfXGtMVFA+ZW7UM6SI5zG0oYQCgvyiX zwUpmiRS/Q7VjAMJhwx+0AM= =Kput -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nick, On 21 May 2001 at 15:56:44 -0700 (which was 23:56 where I live) Nick Andriash wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: QED - it *has* to. 100% certain that TB doesn't have anything to do with it. GPG has an option to do it. TB has nothing whatsoever to do with it. NA Actually Marck, what GnuPG has an option to do, and which PGP NA defaults to, is dash-escaping lines that start with From... like NA the following: Ah yes - quite right. That's the one. I remembered that it had the option to interfere somehow, just not quite in what way :-). Thanks for clarifying that for me. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53 Beta/8/iKey1000( 55238-48F0B) on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7CaEAOeQkq5KdzaARAr/KAJ4hBbGQfszeepugdKPjfwGKhHAADACg6SD9 JChM/Ne3mW9SPc9smklCu5A= =jpPS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On May 21, 2001, at 12:41:16 PM, Nick Andriash wrote: All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with from by putting a in front of it. It turns out that in my case, it is the GMX Servers that are the culprit, because I only just started using that address the other day. Prior to that, with both @Home and OperaMail, I never saw the prefixing of from with the symbol. - -- Nick -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ SecureBat! v1.53 Beta 8/iKey1000 | Win 98 SE 4.10 ] [ PGP 7.1 (Build 174) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] ___ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.77 Comment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Comment: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE7CbTfxQKEdHuj/c4RAikiAJoCsE9cxAwf6//5ZxGC7S23FCXBwACfbemf aA3tEnlrMNo6pmMJKBW7yhg= =qOhk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Monday, May 21, 2001, Jason Ellis wrote: I just confirmed this behaviour in TB v1.51. Weird. Unlike Nick I am not using PGP (although I might be using GPG since I've never heard of it before and thus don't know what it is). It appears to so this upon sending the message, as it doesn't insert it when I'm typing it, but by the time I receive it it has the in there (and it's not inserting it on receive because I checked my test message direct through my server's web messaging interface and it already had the in the message.) This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that needs to be fixed. Jason All of a sudden I now see that TB! amends any line starting with from by putting a in front of it. I've never noticed that before, and so now I have to use the dash-escape feature of both PGP and GPG to dash-escape that line. This is what I mean: From here on in... This line should have in front of it now. Has this always been the case with TB? Perhaps I've never typed any sentences beginning with From? ;o) From here to ther Here -- Urban I may still be on Windows 95 B, but that doesn't stop me from running TB! 1.52f -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hi Marck, On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:25:23 +0100GMT (22/05/2001, 04:25 +0800GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP It is not TB. It is done by routing Unix servers to avoid confusion MDP with the From: line which indicates the start of a message body. That MDP is why some see it and others (including myself) do not. Correct. I see it at get frequently annoyed. JE This is very odd behaviour - I'm thinking it's something that JE needs to be fixed. MDP This is not possible unless TB removes such instances on receipt. Here you hint at the fix: TB should remove it. I mean, other mail client can, why can't TB? This has been my wish forever (Nick: yes, it has been here forever.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: When Did This Start?
Hi Karin, On Mon, 21 May 2001 21:57:33 +0200GMT (22/05/2001, 03:57 +0800GMT), Karin Spaink wrote: KS From here on in... KS Nope, I can type it fine without TB's editor kicking in and KS putting quote characters in from^Hnt. As Marck already pointed out, it is not TB's editor but some server along the way. The keyword From has to do with RFC headers, and some old routers would misunderstand it if it is at the beginning of a line (in fact, it meant a new message begins here in the old days). That's why some SMTP servers will still put the character in front in order to ensure the message is send compeltely. With the new routers nowadays, it is not necessary any more, so From at the beginning of a line in the message body it is now a legacy problem, but then. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52f under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
