Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Andy,

On 14 Dec 2001 at 04:54:31 you wrote (at least in part):

 You're getting them quoted, but in separate messages, as it should be.
AS Hm, as it should be is pretty subjective.  My should be is pretty
AS different.  Normally this a sure sign for a configurable option.

And here I've to jump in.

I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called. But I do know there
is no such options you'd like to use. It would  be really hard to
handle this and IMNSHO it does not make really much sense. The two
times a month an average user could need this (estimated average value)
it is not worth the effort to build such a complex building. You I
think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing you'd like to
see realized.
To say something to your last sentence: why the heck everybody brings
out this 'configurable option' if there's something that's wanted and
it is told that this maybe will not come.
Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure
everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring
everything_ means? Not only you have to double or triple the
development time for having as much as possible configurable, no ...
you also double or triple time for bug finding, human error detecting
because everybody has it's own system. Additionally: you can't make
configurable everything without loosing function. It is quite
_impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in conjunction
with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all effecting
this function'. Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1%
of time should know: the more options/parameters the bigger the
amount of possible results. We this end we all can see and marvel in
dozens of wonderful products from Redmond: They work ... in a way ...
and they do only consume some few GigaBytes of diskspace. And that's
not only the nice graphics and animations consuming space ... it's the
'configure all ... find nothing a second time after this' mentality
this software is written in. I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in
funtion; in size needed on disk. This is only possible if there's a
deadline of 'customization'.

Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had
to write this mail :-) Just for being able to say I've already
written this ages ago! *ggg*

Ciao Pit
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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Allie C Martin

@ 16:25:09 -0500 [   Thu, 13 Dec 2001], Andy Spiegl [AS] wrote these
words of wisdom:
...
AS I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply
AS that I get all of them quoted.

In a single message?! Wow.

I'd expect a separate reply message containing quoted text for each of
the messages I selected.

If only one message is generated, how should the header information
be filled out? Do you wish for it to be blank. Do you wish for all the
sender addresses for each of those messages to be inserted in the
To: field of the single reply containing 'all' the quoted material?

A most unusual requirement this is. :-)

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Re[2]: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Dave Gorman

Hello Andy,

Thursday, December 13, 2001, 9:54:31 PM, you wrote:

 Well a few times a week still is often enough for such a
 feature.

I understand :) I certainly didn't mean to imply that you
*shouldn't* need such a feature. I guess I was just trying to say
that I had never even considered the need for such a feature :)


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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Peter Meyns

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Peter Palmreuther thought about how do I reply to more than one mail? and wrote:

PP I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in funtion; in size needed on
PP disk. This is only possible if there's a deadline of 'customization'.

PP Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had
PP to write this mail :-)

Hi Pit,

thank you for stating the programmers' points of view. It was very
interesting for me indeed. :-)

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi Pit,

 I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called.
I suppose you are one of the programmers, right?

 But I do know there is no such options you'd like to use.
Really too bad.  It would be very useful.  To you, too, once you get used
to the feeling, believe me.

 You I think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing
 you'd like to see realized.
I'll give it a try. :-)
I don't see why that would be so difficult.  The only challange is to
merge the headers of the mails being replied to.  Why is that so
difficult?

 To say something to your last sentence: why the heck everybody brings out
 this 'configurable option' if there's something that's wanted and it is
 told that this maybe will not come.
That's human, isn't it?

 Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure
 everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring
 everything_ means?
Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about.  Since many years I am mainly
using Unix and I think the many configuration options are one of THE
strength of all unix programs.  If there's something I don't like or like
different, I'll simply configure it differently. :-)

 Not only you have to double or triple the development time for having as
 much as possible configurable, no ...  you also double or triple time for
 bug finding, human error detecting because everybody has it's own system.
That's true, but _only_ in the non-public-domain world.  Open up your
source code and the whole world will help you find the bugs.  Well, I guess
that's a little off topic now.  Just wanted to mention that your statements
only apply to this part of the software world.

 Additionally: you can't make configurable everything without loosing
 function.
I completely disagree.

 It is quite _impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in
 conjunction with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all
 effecting this function'.
Impossible would mean that noone could do it, right?
If that's correct, you are wrong.  Take almost ANY unix mail client but
especially mutt.  It has so many configurable options you can hardly count
them.  And it works just great.  So all but impossible.  ;-)

 Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1% of time should
 know: the more options/parameters the bigger the amount of possible
 results.
I agree.  So all what you need here is more people that participate in
testing and bug finding.  That too is mathematics: the more testers the
less bugs. :-)

 We this end we all can see and marvel in dozens of wonderful
 products from Redmond:
No,no,no,no, please don't compare ANY software with the huge bugs MS is
spreading out over the world.  Anyone can do better than GatesCo.

 I'd like to see TB! staying small. Not in funtion; in size needed on
 disk. This is only possible if there's a deadline of 'customization'.
Hm, small you say.  Fine, one more time my comparison with mutt:
I just counted the diskspace of it:
 523 KB

Okay, including all used dynamic libraries which doesn't make much sense,
but what the heck:
 2.3 MB

Then I counted the diskspace used by TheBat directory (subtracting the Mail
directory of course):
 7 MB
(I have no idea what other DLLs TheBat uses so I couldn't add that)

 Well ... I think nobody else is interested, but for the archive I had
 to write this mail :-) Just for being able to say I've already
 written this ages ago! *ggg*
Dito.  Here again, I completely agree with you, hehe.
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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi Allie,

 AS I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply
 AS that I get all of them quoted.
 
 In a single message?! Wow.
 
 I'd expect a separate reply message containing quoted text for each of
 the messages I selected.
No, that's pretty useless.  If I want that behavior I hit reply every
single one.  One by one.  There's no use in opening all these windows the
same time, because I can't fill them out at once anyway. :-)

 If only one message is generated, how should the header information
 be filled out? Do you wish for it to be blank. Do you wish for all the
 sender addresses for each of those messages to be inserted in the
 To: field of the single reply containing 'all' the quoted material?
Yes, that's exactly what I'd consider useful.

 A most unusual requirement this is. :-)
I don't think so.  Mutt (my unix mailclient) does this and it's a commonly
used feature.

Well, I guess I have to live with it, i.e. without it.  Too bad.
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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Andy,

On 14 Dec 2001 at 19:25:06 you wrote (at least in part):

 I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called.
AS I suppose you are one of the programmers, right?

Nope. Wrong.

 You I think you will argue with me, this _is_ a complex thing
 you'd like to see realized.
AS I'll give it a try. :-)
AS I don't see why that would be so difficult.  The only challange is to
AS merge the headers of the mails being replied to.  Why is that so
AS difficult?

Because it is not only 'merging' headers. Take three mails from three
different sender with three different subjects sent on three different
time with three completely different contents.
There's a lot you have to merge and it should be at least in a logical
way merged, not 'somehow'. But what is _THE_ logic behind? Everybody
would like to have it a little bit different, for good reasons ... No
tell the common?!

 Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure
 everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring
 everything_ means?
AS Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about.  Since many years I am mainly
AS using Unix and I think the many configuration options are one of THE
AS strength of all unix programs.

And not all programs are this configurable as many people want it from
The Bat!. I'm not new to *nix too. It's my daily work, so I assume I
can guess very well what you're pointing on, but there's a big
difference between what's configurable in *nix programs and what is
requested to be configurable e.g. in TB!.

AS If there's something I don't like or like
AS different, I'll simply configure it differently. :-)

That depends ...

 Not only you have to double or triple the development time for having as
 much as possible configurable, no ...  you also double or triple time for
 bug finding, human error detecting because everybody has it's own system.
AS That's true, but _only_ in the non-public-domain world.  Open up your
AS source code and the whole world will help you find the bugs.

One simple question: do you really believe the world could exist with
only source opened software? Hardly ... So this is not an argument.

AS Well, I guess that's a little off topic now. Just wanted to
AS mention that your statements only apply to this part of the
AS software world.

Some ... not all, but some.

 It is quite _impossible_ to have the same function 'static' and in
 conjunction with 'configure around 50-100 parameters as you like, all
 effecting this function'.
AS Impossible would mean that noone could do it, right?
AS If that's correct, you are wrong.  Take almost ANY unix mail client but
AS especially mutt.  It has so many configurable options you can hardly count
AS them.  And it works just great.  So all but impossible.  ;-)

With this statement you don't want to tell me there's nothing in mutt
that ain't configurable, don't you?
Counter wise: You don't want to say The Bat! ain't configurable, don't
you? Should I really need to start counting _what_ there is you can
configure and shall I really start to compare it to several other
MUA's available for Windows? I think I don't need to, The Bat! should
speak for it self and everybody using it should have no problem
recognizing it ...

 Everybody that listened in mathematic lessons only 1% of time should
 know: the more options/parameters the bigger the amount of possible
 results.
AS I agree.  So all what you need here is more people that participate in
AS testing and bug finding.  That too is mathematics: the more testers the
AS less bugs. :-)

Wrong. OK ... Partial right ... More testers _can_ lead to lesser
count of bugs. But you'll need testers that
1.) Have the time and ability to test the program for _daily usage_
and not only 'for principal of function', because a bug free,
functional working program is worth nothing without usability and a
need for in in (daily) work.
2.) Are able and professional enough to provide you with detailed
information about found bugs. An information 'the program hangs when I
try to send mail' ain't very useful. You'll need to know several
parameters necessary to reproduce the problem and fixing it.
A pure mass of people can provide only 'quantity' not inherited
'quality'.

 We this end we all can see and marvel in dozens of wonderful
 products from Redmond:
AS No,no,no,no, please don't compare ANY software with the huge bugs MS is
AS spreading out over the world.  Anyone can do better than GatesCo.

No ... don't be this polemically.  They _can_ do better. It's the
'wrong' (?) philosophy behind their company. It's a 'everything can be
done at a click' and a wrong understood 'release early and often'
philosophy. They do make normal end users to Beta-Tester plus they
don't even tell them _and_ let the very same people even pay for the
products. This does not inherit every programmer at MS is plainly to
stupid for writing good software.

AS Hm, small you say.  Fine, one more time my comparison with mutt:
AS I just counted the diskspace of 

Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Andy,

On 14 December 2001 at 13:25:06 [GMT-0500] (which was 18:25 where I
live) Andy Spiegl wrote to Andy Spiegl on TBUDL and made these points:

 I don't know if I'm one of these 'experts' called.
AS I suppose you are one of the programmers, right?

No - Peter is just another user, like almost everyone on this list. He
was just speaking from the perspective of *a* programmer working in a
retail software for Windows environment.

 Does anybody screaming out this nice phrase about 'configure
 everything' has have some few thought about what _configuring
 everything_ means?

AS Yep, I sure do know what I am talking about. Since many years I am
AS mainly using Unix and I think the many configuration options are
AS one of THE strength of all unix programs. If there's something I
AS don't like or like different, I'll simply configure it
AS differently. :-)

Yes, that's very true. *But*. In *nix, users and administrators are
happy to dive into textual cnf files at the drop of a whim and to wade
through the option specs to tweak any and all settings to absolute
perfection. In Windows, any config options *must* have a UI and *must*
be clearly understandable, logical and responsive. That is why it
takes so much effort and, usually, has the net result of bloating what
should be a simple application.

When a programming team is a small and as hungry as that at RITlabs,
they have to go for mass appeal. If your wish-list items can be shown
to have popular support then there is a good chance that they'll
expend the effort to implement them.

The Resent-To is one that should be quite simple and I can see a good
and wide appeal for it. You have my support for that request.

Multiple replies is a bit esoteric - not something I do every day.
Maybe something I've wanted 5 times in 17 years of email use - and I
use email *very* heavily for both my work and play.

... and please don't mention the FSF - you should see the paragraph I
just deleted. Only to say that you're begging for a heavy flaming! ;-)
(If you ask nicely, I'll send you that para off-list).

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Carsten Thönges

Hi Andy,

AS just a quick question about TheBat! which I really learned to love:

AS How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the
AS original mails nicely quoted?

Do you really want to _reply_ more than one mail at once? I think what
you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of several mails.

You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding'
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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Pete

Hello Peter,

Friday, December 14, 2001, 9:47:33 PM, you wrote:


PP One simple question: do you really believe the world could exist with
PP only source opened software? Hardly ... So this is not an argument.

Come on... that's pretty thick don't you think?

The world exists whether or not there's open source software. Or
human beings.

Relax, and drink yourselves silly. We are merely paying customers
here.

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi Carsten,

 Do you really want to _reply_ more than one mail at once?
Yes.

 I think what you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of
 several mails.
I think what you think is that you think you know what I think, but you don't.

 You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding'
 (MIME-forward). Does this help a bit?
No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend of mine
and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the answers in one.
Well, it just doesn't work that way in TB. :-(

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Carsten Thönges

Hi Andy,

 I think what you actually want to do is forwarding the contents of
 several mails.
AS I think what you think is that you think you know what I think, but you don't.

I really think, this is exactly what I thought. g

 You can mark some mails and do an 'alternative forwarding'
 (MIME-forward). Does this help a bit?
AS No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend of mine
AS and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the answers in one.
AS Well, it just doesn't work that way in TB. :-(

I just had an idea...

... manuel filters could extract/append mail text to an external file
(maybe quoted with initials).

... you could also extract senders' mail addresses that way.

... a quick template could include all the quoted text from the file
and setting the 'TO:'

3 steps:

1. Write the filter and QT ;-)
2. Mark some mails and push the shortcut for the manual filter to
   extract/append information to a file.
3. New Mail and call QT (to get and process the stored information).

This should be possible... I'll try that, gimme some time ;-)

What is with In-Reply-To: or References:?
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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-14 Thread Allie C Martin

On   Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:42:00 -0500, Andy Spiegl [AS] graced us with
these comments:
...
AS No, I want to reply, e.g. very often I have 5 mails from a friend
AS of mine and I don't want to reply with 5 mails, but with all the
AS answers in one.

This is one setting in which I'd really find a feature as this useful.
I've been copying and pasting as quote to deal with this sort of
thing. I usually don't wish to quote all parts of all the messages so
it's not so bad.

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how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi flying Batters :-)

just a quick question about TheBat! which I really learned to love:

How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the
original mails nicely quoted?

Thanks a lot,
 Andy.

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Dave Gorman

Hello Andy,

Thursday, December 13, 2001, 11:56:39 AM, you wrote:

 How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the
 original mails nicely quoted?

Reply to one email. Copy text to clipboard from a different
email. Go back to your reply and click Edit / Paste as
Quotation or hit Alt-Insert.

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi Dave,

  How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the
  original mails nicely quoted?
 
 Reply to one email. Copy text to clipboard from a different
 email. Go back to your reply and click Edit / Paste as
 Quotation or hit Alt-Insert.
Hehe, good joke.  Sure that works and that's how I always do it in lack of
a real solution.  I would have expected that if I mark various mails and
hit reply that I get all of them quoted.

So you are saying there's no way to do that?

Thanks,
 Andy.

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Re[2]: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Dave Gorman

Hello Andy,

Thursday, December 13, 2001, 3:25:09 PM, you wrote:

 Hehe, good joke. Sure that works and that's how I always do it
 in lack of a real solution. I would have expected that if I
 mark various mails and hit reply that I get all of them quoted.

I didn't realize I was joking. That's always been a very adequate
solution for me. OTOH replying to multiple emails with one reply
is not something I do a million times a day.

 So you are saying there's no way to do that?

I would be expecting comment from some of the more expert members
of the list if there were another solution :)


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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Roelof Otten

Hello Andy,

On   Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:25:09 -0500GMT (13-12-01, 22:25 +0100GMT,
where I live), you wrote:

AS a real solution.  I would have expected that if I mark various mails and
AS hit reply that I get all of them quoted.

You're getting them quoted, but in separate messages, as it should be.

AS So you are saying there's no way to do that?

Not that I'm aware of.

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread E Major

  How do I reply to more than one mail so that I get the text of all the
  original mails nicely quoted?
 
 Reply to one email. Copy text to clipboard from a different
 email. Go back to your reply and click Edit / Paste as
 Quotation or hit Alt-Insert.
Hehe, good joke.  Sure that works and that's how I always do it in lack of
a real solution.  I would have expected that if I mark various mails and
hit reply that I get all of them quoted.

So you are saying there's no way to do that?

Thanks,
 Andy.

Hmmm. I think maybe what Andy wants is some kind of automated-reply. You can
set up mail filters that do this.

Am I right?

Andrew


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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi Andrew,

 Hmmm. I think maybe what Andy wants is some kind of automated-reply. You can
 set up mail filters that do this.
 
 Am I right?
No :-)

What I want is forward a mail without changing any part of the mail not
even the headers.  What TheBats redirect does is close but it changes all
the headers.  Even the To: line.

Maybe you wonder why I need this.  Well, an example: I work in a small
radio here in Peru and we have a general email address for requests,
comments etc.  So my wife - who gets all these mails - decides who is best
to receive and process this mail and bounces it to that person.  So far
this works with the redirect feature, too.  But if the recipient wants to
see where this mail really came from, at which address it was directed or
any other part that can be seen in the headers, he can't.  Just the From
and Reply-To line are still the same.  Not even the Received lines or the
Message-ID are kept. :-(

Thanks,
 Andy.

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello Andy

At 8:16 PM on Thursday, December 13, 2001 you wrote the
following on the posted subject 'how do I reply to more than
one mail?':

Andy [...] and bounces it to that person. So far this
Andy works with the redirect feature, too. But if the
Andy recipient wants to see where this mail really came
Andy from, at which address it was directed or any other
Andy part that can be seen in the headers, he can't. Just
Andy the From and Reply-To line are still the same. Not
Andy even the Received lines or the Message-ID are kept.
Andy [...]

  How about an auto-forward?

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Thomas F

Hi Andy,

On   Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:25:09 -0500GMT (14/12/2001, 05:25 +0800GMT),
Andy Spiegl wrote:

AS I would have expected that if I mark various mails and hit reply
AS that I get all of them quoted.

AS So you are saying there's no way to do that?

Unfortuantely not. A suggestion has come up on the beta list recently
that it should be possible to MIME attach message from different
folders to one message (drag  drop), and I believe it is urgently
needed.

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Re: how do I reply to more than one mail?

2001-12-13 Thread Andy Spiegl

Hi Dave and Roelof,

 I didn't realize I was joking.
:-)

 That's always been a very adequate
 solution for me. OTOH replying to multiple emails with one reply
 is not something I do a million times a day.
Well a few times a week still is often enough for such a feature.
I just did it right now so that I don't have to write 2 mails responding to
the two of you.

  So you are saying there's no way to do that?
 I would be expecting comment from some of the more expert members
 of the list if there were another solution :)
Hello experts, where are you?  :-)

 AS a real solution.  I would have expected that if I mark various mails and
 AS hit reply that I get all of them quoted.
 
 You're getting them quoted, but in separate messages, as it should be.
Hm, as it should be is pretty subjective.  My should be is pretty
different.  Normally this a sure sign for a configurable option.

Thanks,
 Andy.

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