Re: OTFE - some questions
Hello Roelof, On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 03:07:56 +0100 GMT (05/Jan/11, 9:07 AM +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: M 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc) RO Unknown M 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files? RO None M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the Mmessages? RO Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's RO backups are unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with RO encryption for your backups. M 7. Can Voyager use OTFE? RO Wrong question. ;-) RO Voyager only uses OTFE, it can't use a plain message base. I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question: I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of, but cannot remember the old password. I understand if I just reinstall Voyager, I still cannot read the message base. Is there any way at all to retrieve the messages, or are they lost forever? BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.36.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hallo Thomas, On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 18:28:57 +0700GMT (8-1-2011, 12:28 , where I live), you wrote: TF I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question: TF I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires TF a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of, TF but cannot remember the old password. In that case the stored messages are lost to everyone, including to you. That's why making backups was so important with Voyager. TF BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides? Don't know, never had any real use for Voyager, so I stopped testing it. But you could download the latest version and try it for yourself. -- Groetjes, Roelof And who among you shall moderate the moderators? http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.127 BETA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp2UWehzmx4G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hello Roelof, On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:53:29 +0100 GMT (08/Jan/11, 22:53 PM +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: TF I just cut this down to the points that concern my follow-up question: TF I just found an old USB stick with Voyager. Trying to run it requires TF a password, and I have tried all the combinations I could think of, TF but cannot remember the old password. RO In that case the stored messages are lost to everyone, including to RO you. That's why making backups was so important with Voyager. I see. I used Voyager only as a crutch when travelling, as Thailand's internet access was too slow and unreliable for IMAP or webmail. This has changed in the meantime, and I now use webmail if I cannot use POP with my laptop or IMAP with the iPhone. TF BTW, does the latest Voyager allow plaintext if the user so decides? RO Don't know, never had any real use for Voyager, so I stopped testing RO it. But you could download the latest version and try it for yourself. Never mind, I don't really have a need for Voyager any more. However, it was indeed a very usefull tool at the time. I was just curious as to what mails were on that old USB stick, which I just found during house moving. Thanks for your reply. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.36.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
On Wed, 2011-01-05, MFPA wrote: M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted M location, such as a TrueCrypt container? The difference is that when you've mounted the encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad' list) can access your message base. When you're using OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins. Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working with/editing it? Well, since I believe that OTFE stands for On The Fly Encription I imagine that whole files are not decrypted, but instead TB has a sort of builtin driver to access the mail database while only decrypting and encrypting a buffer at a time. -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hi On Wednesday 5 January 2011 at 2:07:56 AM, in mid:1674303343.20110105030...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote: M 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a M blank password? It's easy to guess the password If TB! allows a blank password during installation, does the encryption still work? M 5. Can you change the password? Only by creating a backup, uninstalling TB, delete everything in the mail directory, install TB again, restore the backup That sounds like a bit of hassle, to say the least! M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further M access to the messages? Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's backups are unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with encryption for your backups. I just found that if you select to encrypt the backup, the encryption algorithm is RC2. M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted M location, such as a TrueCrypt container? The difference is that when you've mounted the encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad' list) can access your message base. When you're using OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins. Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working with/editing it? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OTFE - some questions
Hi I have a few questions about OTFE. Been saving them up! 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc) 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files? 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a blank password? 4. Are the Address Books and message templates encrypted, or just the messages? 5. Can you change the password? 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the messages? 7. Can Voyager use OTFE? 8. If hardware tokens are used, is a password still required? 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply locating your mail folder in an encrypted location, such as a TrueCrypt container? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OTFE - some questions
Hallo MFPA, On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:26:58 +GMT (5-1-2011, 0:26 , where I live), you wrote: M 1. What encryption does TB! used for OTFE? (Algorithm, key size, etc) Unknown M 2. What other programs can decrypt TB!'s encrypted files? None M 3. What happens if you try to set up OTFE with a blank password? It's easy to guess the password M 4. Are the Address Books and message templates encrypted, or just the Mmessages? Everything, included the tabs by smartbat M 5. Can you change the password? Only by creating a backup, uninstalling TB, delete everything in the mail directory, install TB again, restore the backup M 6. Does forgetting the password prevent any further access to the Mmessages? Yes, unless you've created a backup. Even when you're using OTFE, TB's backups are unencrypted, though it's possible to set a password with encryption for your backups. M 7. Can Voyager use OTFE? Wrong question. ;-) Voyager only uses OTFE, it can't use a plain message base. M 8. If hardware tokens are used, is a password still required? I don't know. M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply locating your mail Mfolder in an encrypted location, such as a TrueCrypt container? The difference is that when you've mounted the encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad' list) can access your message base. When you're using OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and it's plug-ins. -- Groetjes, Roelof Why experiment on animals, when there are so many Windows users around http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.0.0.125 BETA Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 6 pop3 accounts, 1 imap account OTFE disabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpBqPW9nZulV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Dwight Corrin wrote: DC On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag? DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time. I think what people, myself included, are looking for is something like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against accidental deletion/purging. Just because I want to protect a message doesn't mean I don't want to organize it. The Park flag is especially ill-suited for this as currently implemented. -- George Using The Bat! 4.0.16.2 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Hello George and Dwight, On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 1:30:20 AM you wrote: DC On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag? DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time. How about a command that allows 'secure move'? GM like the Agent newsreader's Keep flag which just prevents against GM accidental deletion/purging. Just because I want to protect a message GM doesn't mean I don't want to organize it. Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get around to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of course, into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked 'just in case'. -- Regards, Maggie Once you can accept the universe as matter expanding into nothing that is something, wearing stripes with plaid comes easy. -Einstein Emailing with The Bat! 4.0.18 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Hello Volker, On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:37:30 +0100 GMT (19/03/2008, 03:37 +0700 GMT), Volker Ahrendt wrote: VA I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the VA design is completely user friendly: VA I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one VA folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all VA the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again. When you copy messages, the parked status is copied too. So, what I do is copy to the destination folder and then unpark and delete them in the original folder. It's just a workaround, but maybe it helps. -- Cheers, Thomas. 20. Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.18.1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Good morning Dwight, It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 00:14:56 GMT-0500 (which was 02:14:56 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write: DC You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It DC would be like having a door locked and open it the same time. I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy the message, i'm wondering why it shouldn't be possible TB! acts like that when moving manually but then again i'm not a programmer lol. -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Remember, as far as anyone knows, we're a nice normal family. - Homer Simpson. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 9:43:38 AM, Luc wrote: I see your point but since apparently it's possible when you copy the message, so it does. Makes sense, since the message is parked when it's copied, but not when it's moved. Solves the problem about not being able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking questions. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.3 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
On Wednesday, March 19, 2008, 8:26:52 AM, Maggie Meister wrote: Absolutely agree. In my Lists subfolders I have TBUDL, TBBETA, and TBParked. I park some messages in the first two, but don't get around to moving them for a while - when I do, they all unpark of course, into the Parked folder, where they then need to be reparked 'just in case'. What is the point of parking messages if you park them all? To me the whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete. Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies in the face of the whole notion. I can't drive to the mall and have my car be parked at the same time. My messages used to get organized by filters, and be where I wanted them. Now with IMAP they get organized before they ever hit my machine. Once they are where I want them, if they are important enough, I might park them. But if I had 50,000 or so parked messages, parking wouldn't mean much any more. Put differently, if everything was 'parked' how would I recognize the messages which were important enough to park? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.3 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Good afternoon Dwight, It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 10:01:15 GMT-0500 (which was 12:01:15 where I live) Dwight Corrin would write: snipped a bit DC Solves the problem about not being DC able to find it at its destination. And no dialogue boxes asking DC questions. Still don't see the problem with the ability of moving them and keeping them parked... but i guess it's just a matter of different opinions For the time being it's impossible so i'll leave it at that :-) -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Hi Dwight, On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 10:10:41 AM you wrote: DC What is the point of parking messages if you park them all? Oh, I don't park them *all* just some, as I mentioned.. DC To me the DC whole notion of parking a message is to make it impossible to delete. Yes. DC Why one should be able to delete a parked message by moving it flies DC in the face of the whole notion. I don't want to delete the parked message, just move it to another folder. Doug Weller in his message of today at 10:41 where I am, elucidated what I'm thinking. DougW I want to be able to protect a message against deletion and DougW then organise it the way I want to organise it. If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it. -- Regards, Maggie There’s something…erm, warm, about a campfire. Emailing with The Bat! 4.0.18 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Good evening Maggie, It was foretold that on 19/03/2008 @ 11:49:53 GMT-0500 (which was 13:49:53 where I live) Maggie Meister would write: snipped a bit MM If someone makes a wish about this feature, I will support it. I filed a bug report... although it might be a wish for most -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. All things truly wicked start from innocence. - Ernest Hemingway - from The Garden of Eden Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
some questions
Good afternoon list, I have some questions regarding the preferences: Q1: when i reply to a message, the message that i reply to is shown with a white background in the preview... where can i change that? I thought somewhere in the editor settings but i just can't seem to recall it. Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for that? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. I told my wife that a husband is like a fine wine; he gets better with age. The next day she locked me in the cellar. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some questions
[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-18 · 17:48 h (CET)] Moin, Luc! Q1: when i reply to a message, the message that i reply to is shown with a white background in the preview... where can i change that? I thought somewhere in the editor settings but i just can't seem to recall it. In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for that? AFAIK there is no option to keep the Parked status. Maybe a filter could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-) Cheers! VA - -- QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] — Date: 2008-03-18 Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using The Bat! 4.0.18.2 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 2. »Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some questions
Q2: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. Is there a way to have it kept parked? Or do i need to create some filter for that? AFAIK there is no option to keep the Parked status. Maybe a filter could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-) Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from accidentally deleting or moving it. I would think the work around would be to unpark it. You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed -- Rick GOP stands for Greed Over People v4.0.18.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
[Reply to: »Rick Grunwald« · 2008-03-18 · 18:13 h (CET)] Moin, Rick! AFAIK there is no option to keep the Parked status. Maybe a filter could be a workaround, but I don't know how, yet. – I think you should file a wish to Bugtracker. I would support. :-) Is not the purpose of parking a message to keep you from accidentally deleting or moving it. Is it so? I don't know. Does Parking only mean to keep one from deleting a message or does it mean to keep one from deleting *and* moving a message? Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag? I would think the work around would be to unpark it. This is the status quo when moving a parked message and confirming the warning. You get a message asking you if you really want to move a parked message and it will allow it. I think it is working as designed I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the design is completely user friendly: I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again. Cheers! VA - -- QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] — Date: 2008-03-18 Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using The Bat! 4.0.18.2 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 2. »The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.« – Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »Mostly Harmless« Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
Hello Volker, Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, you wrote: VA I bet it is working as designed, but I am not convinced that the VA design is completely user friendly: VA I sometimes move a bunch of messages (parked and unparked) from one VA folder to another. I confirm the warning and have to go through all VA the messages to find the ones which need to be parked again. I am with you on this one. It is often very difficult to find the parked message once you move it. I would also support the wish you are going to file. ;) -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.18.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some questions
Good evening Volker, It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 18:00:05 GMT+0100 (which was 14:00:05 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write: snipped a bit VA In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text Ah right, but that means that the preview disappears. I was wondering if there was a way to keep the preview but alter the background (colour and text colour). -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. The church is near but the road is icy; the tavern is far away but I will walk carefully. - Russian proverb. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some questions
[Reply to: »Luc« · 2008-03-18 · 22:25 h (CET)] Moin, Luc! VA In message editor's menu uncheck: View|Original text Ah right, but that means that the preview disappears. I was wondering if there was a way to keep the preview but alter the background (colour and text colour). OIC – Now I get you. No, I don't think that you can change the colors. I was searching for a way, but found none. Is it worth it to file a wish? Cheers! VA - -- QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] — Date: 2008-03-18 Direct eMail without [The Bat!] in subject line will end in Nirvana! Using The Bat! 4.0.18.2 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 2. »He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some questions
Good evening Volker, It was foretold that on 18/03/2008 @ 22:42:23 GMT+0100 (which was 18:42:23 where I live) Volker Ahrendt would write: snipped a bit VA Now I get you. Yeah, i thought that i didn't make myself clear (happens a lot, don't worry about it lol) VA No, I don't think that you can change the colors. VA Is it worth it to file a wish? Oh no, it's not a big deal... but i thought it was possible in previous versions of TB! but maybe i'm wrong (also happens a lot ;-) ) -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Powered by The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. If his love was a play, his marriage will be a drama. - Armando Palacio Valdés, Spanish novelist (1893-1938) Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: some questions
Hi On Tuesday 18 March 2008 at 4:48:24 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Luc wrote: When i have a parked message and i want to move it manually to another folder, the message gets unparked in that folder. I never noticed that before. -- Best regards, MFPA I would like to help you out. Which way did you come in? Using The Bat! v4.0.14 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving parked messages (was: some questions)
On Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 3:37:30 PM, Volker Ahrendt wrote: Why should I not move parked messages and keep the Parked flag? You can't have a message be parked and moved at the same time. It would be like having a door locked and open it the same time. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.1 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New here, some questions.
Hi there, I'm new to this list, but not to The Bat. Have been using it since always, I guess. I have never had any kind of trouble with any of the versions. I have just upgraded to version 3. May be you can help me with 2 questions: 1 - I searched the list archive on smileys and I printed the default.msl file, but I'm no expert and need some help in translating the file. 2 - Is there a way of assigning an account to use with an Addressbook Group or individual person? -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hello Maria, 2 - Is there a way of assigning an account to use with an Addressbook Group or individual person? Account/properties/General. On the right and near the bottom, Default Address book. Is that what you are looking for? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New here, some questions.
Hello MAU, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 11:51:28 AM, you wrote: M Hello Maria, 2 - Is there a way of assigning an account to use with an Addressbook Group or individual person? M Account/properties/General. On the right and near the bottom, Default M Address book. Is that what you are looking for? Actually it was the opposite, I think. For example, in my Adress Book I have a group called Family. I want to use a specific account whenever I write to this group members (my default account is another one and I didn't want to change the account each time I write to a member of this group). -- Best regards, Cristinamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hello Maria, I want to use a specific account whenever I write to this group members (my default account is another one and I didn't want to change the account each t ime I write to a member of this group). Then, open the AB. Select the group in question and right click on it and select Properties (or from the menu select Edit/Properties) and you will see there are tabs where you can create templates for new messages and replies (and forward) sent to members of this group. Just include the %ACCOUNT macro in your templates. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.0 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New here, some questions.
Hello MAU, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 12:56:24 PM, you wrote: M Hello Maria, I want to use a specific account whenever I write to this group members (my default account is another one and I didn't want to change the account each t ime I write to a member of this group). M Then, open the AB. Select the group in question and right click on it M and select Properties (or from the menu select Edit/Properties) and you M will see there are tabs where you can create templates for new messages M and replies (and forward) sent to members of this group. Just include M the %ACCOUNT macro in your templates. I tried to do that, but perhaps I used the macro wrongly (as I said, I'm not an experienced user here). This is how my New Messanger Macro looks like: %ACCOUNT=puella Olá %ABTOFirstName, %CURSOR -- Beijinhos, Cristina puella is the name of the account I want to use. But when I click the name of a member of the group and write a new message, the default account is used, not the one I want. What am I doing wrongly here? -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugal mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hallo Maria, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:07:27 +0100GMT (5-9-2004, 14:07 +0200, where I live), you wrote: I want to use a specific account whenever I write to this group members (my default account is another one and I didn't want to change the account each t ime I write to a member of this group). M Then, open the AB. Select the group in question and right click on it M and select Properties (or from the menu select Edit/Properties) and you MCR %ACCOUNT=puella MCR puella is the name of the account I want to use. MCR But when I click the name of a member of the group and MCR write a new message, the default account is used, not the one I MCR want. Generally when an AB template isn't performing like it should, you've got either multiple entries in your AB for the same address or you've got templates assigned to each (or some) entry in that AB group -- Groetjes, Roelof The Bat! 3.0.0 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. pgpWQLZZ1KADG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
default.msl (was: New here, some questions.)
Hello Maria, On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:24:26 +0100 GMT (05/09/2004, 17:24 +0700 GMT), Maria Cristina Ramos wrote: MCR I'm new to this list, but not to The Bat. Have been using it since always, I guess. Welcome to the list. MCR1 - I searched the list archive on smileys and I MCR printed the default.msl file, but I'm no expert and need some MCR help in translating the file. You don't need to translate it. TB does it for you. TB uses it when it converts text-smileys to pictures. This works when you use the rich-text viewer and have smileys enabled. -- Cheers, Thomas. A duck walks into a drugstore and ask the clerk for Chapstick. The clerk puts the Chapstick on the counter and says, That will be $2. The duck replies, Just put it on my bill. (true story) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New here, some questions.
Hello Roelof, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 1:24:18 PM, you wrote: RO Generally when an AB template isn't performing like it should, you've RO got either multiple entries in your AB for the same address or you've RO got templates assigned to each (or some) entry in that AB group I don't know how, but I tried again and it's working. Another thing: I've been trying to access the PCWIZE page I see in many signatures, but I can't. Is it just me? Oh and is there a way of assigning a message format to an address? I normally write in HTML, but with mailing lists like this one I need to write in TEXT mode. Do I need to change each time? I hope I'm not annoying with so many questions. -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugalmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: default.msl (was: New here, some questions.)
Hello Thomas, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 1:37:19 PM, you wrote: MCR1 - I searched the list archive on smileys and I MCR printed the default.msl file, but I'm no expert and need some MCR help in translating the file. TF You don't need to translate it. TB does it for you. TB uses it when it TF converts text-smileys to pictures. This works when you use the TF rich-text viewer and have smileys enabled. What I meant with translating was that I don't quite understand how to use it. For example: Smiley = .\Default\smile.gif, 0, :) :-), smile What should I write in the messages for the smile.gif appear? Another: Smiley = .\Default\ufo.gif, 0, :ufo:, ufo This one seems different. Shall I write :ufo:? -- Best regards, Cristina in Lisbon, Portugalmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: default.msl (was: New here, some questions.)
Hello Cristina Ramos, 05-Sep-2004 15:05, you wrote: What I meant with translating was that I don't quite understand how to use it. You may want to look here (I just asked the same question): http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg77452.html What should I write in the messages for the smile.gif appear? First, you must enable smiley support - simply right-click the message preview window and check Smileys (shouldn't that read Smilies, really?), and after that every :-) or :) will be replaced by the smiley image (if it is defined in the .msl file). Smiley = .\Default\ufo.gif, 0, :ufo:, ufo This one seems different. Shall I write :ufo:? Yes. But you must leave blank spaces before and after _:ufo:_ or else it will not show... :ufo: -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) From whence then could arise the solitary and strange conceit, that the almighty, who had millions of worlds equally dependant on his protection, should quit the care of all the rest, because they say one woman and one man had eaten an apple! -- Thomas Paine Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hello Cristina, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 6:55:54 AM, you wrote: C Another thing: I've been trying to access the PCWIZE page I see in C many signatures, but I can't. Nope it's not you. It's been down for about three days straight now. First was a Qwest problem, but now there's something else. Either my firewall panicked and locked down everything, or they misconfigured a router (they just upgraded to the new 3Com). I'm driving over there at 11am this morning to figure out what's broken and fix it. -- __ ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Moderators are NOT Gods. Gods have mercy! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hello Leif Gregory, 05-Sep-2004 16:53, you wrote: C Another thing: I've been trying to access the PCWIZE page I see in C many signatures, but I can't. Nope it's not you. It's been down for about three days straight now. Mary sent me the archive via PM and I've just uploaded it to my webspace. Anyone who needs the file may pick it up from http://www.neurowerx.de/PCWSmileys.zip (517.6kB) until things at your end are fixed (after all, its just the smiley collection, not the submission page etc. etc.) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hello Alexander, Sunday, September 5, 2004, 9:46:42 AM, you wrote: A until things at your end are fixed (after all, its just the smiley A collection, not the submission page etc. etc.) Not at all! Thank you very much for making it available to everyone until I get these problems sorted out on my end. -- __ ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Caffeine is not a drug, it's a vitamin! Just ask a programmer. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New here, some questions.
Hello Leif! On Sunday, September 05, 2004, 10:53 AM, you wrote: A until things at your end are fixed (after all, its just the smiley A collection, not the submission page etc. etc.) LG Not at all! Thank you very much for making it available to LG everyone until I get these problems sorted out on my end. In addition to Alexander's much-appreciated help, Scott Guthrie has now made the PCWSmileys Smileys zip file available on his website. URL: http://gu3.biz/downloads/PCWSmileys.zip -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.0.0.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
On Wed 14 July 2004, 15:38:03 +1000, Jakub Moycho wrote: I have some quick templates under account. Some of them have unchecked option Use for New messages/Mass mailing but are still visible in Utilities | Insert Quick templates submenu of Edit Mail Message editor, why? Because that menu item shows ALL your QTs In mass mailing submenu (address book) the are not visible - as expected. Now, I'm using the latest stable version :) But symptoms the are still the same :/ The behaviour is as it is supposed to be (as far as I know!). -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
Hello Robin! On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 (9:04:33 AM) You wrote: Because that menu item shows ALL your QTs Thanks. In that situation, don't you think, that the description Use for New messages/Mass mailing is a little confusing? Precisely phrase: New messages? -- Best of luck, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
On Wed 14 July 2004, 18:11:44 +1000, Jakub Moycho wrote: In that situation, don't you think, that the description Use for New messages/Mass mailing is a little confusing? Precisely phrase: New messages? Well, it refers to the menu option in the address book File-New message using template -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
Hello all! On Saturday, July 10, 2004 (11:11:13 PM) I wrote: [2.] I have some quick templates under account. Some of them have unchecked option Use for New messages/Mass mailing but are still visible in Utilities | Insert Quick templates submenu of Edit Mail Message editor, why? In mass mailing submenu (address book) the are not visible - as expected. Now, I'm using the latest stable version :) But symptoms the are still the same :/ -- With best regards, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Some questions
Hello all! This is my first post on TBUDL :) I decided to write because I have some questions which apply to: 1. finding messages in VF 2. visibility of quick templates in Edit Mail Message menu 3. strikeout font style in templates of Color Groups and Font [1.] I have some VF and I want to find messages with particular word in theirs bodies. Of course, few of them contain this word on 100%. I click on Message search button, enter this word in Search for field, check Body scope and fire Start. But TB! always finishes finding with Found 0 messages. Why? Is it not possible to finding messages in VFs? :-| [2.] I have some quick templates under account. Some of them have unchecked option Use for New messages/Mass mailing but are still visible in Utilities | Insert Quick templates submenu of Edit Mail Message editor, why? In mass mailing submenu (address book) the are not visible - as expected. [3.] And the last point, which is the most frustrating to me. In Colour Gropus and Font of The Bat! preferences I have color template (CT) with strikeout font style. If I set this CT to a folder in folders tree, that folder is strikeout correctly. But if I set this CT to some messages they haven't strikeout font style! Others font attributes like: colors, bold, italic and underlined styles are displayed correctly with the exception of strikeout font style! Then I looked at Folder | Browse for deleted messages. And what I saw there? All messages had a strikeout font style! Of course other font attributes were OK. So my question is: is that font style was reserved only to deleted messages? I dislike this feature :( In previous _stable_ version of TB! everything was OK... -- Sorry, for my bad English... -- Stay tuned, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
Hello Jakub, The Bat! 2.12 RC/3 That is still a Beta version. Post your queries in TBbeta. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
Hello Marck, On Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 16:44:27 GMT +0100 (which was 8:44 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: That's a good idea. Every time I create a new folder I have to set my favourite switches over and over. Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create folders often enough. What if you created a dummy folder with all the settings the way you like them. Then when you need a new folder, you could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the appropriate spot in your folder hierarchy. It was a bit quirky when I tried it, but it may be worthwhile depending on the complexity of your setup. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Januk, On 02 August 2000 at 23:14:32 GMT -0700 (which was 07:14 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": That's a good idea. Every time I create a new folder I have to set my favourite switches over and over. JA Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create folders JA often enough. What if you created a dummy folder with all the JA settings the way you like them. Then when you need a new folder, you JA could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the appropriate spot in JA your folder hierarchy. It was a bit quirky when I tried it, but it JA may be worthwhile depending on the complexity of your setup. That could work quite well. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Marck, JA Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create JA folders often enough. What if you created a dummy folder with JA all the settings the way you like them. Then when you need a JA new folder, you could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the JA appropriate spot in your folder hierarchy. It was a bit JA quirky when I tried it, but it may be worthwhile depending on JA the complexity of your setup. That could work quite well. That's what I thought as well. But it doesn't work. Most, if not all, folder properties (including templates) are stored in "ACCOUNT.FLX" in each account's home directory. Copying directory in Explorer could copy only the message base and index, which is not what we want. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Ming-Li, On 02 August 2000 at 05:31:41 GMT -0700 (which was 13:31 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": JA Just an offbeat idea, but it may be useful if you create JA folders often enough. What if you created a dummy folder with JA all the settings the way you like them. Then when you need a JA new folder, you could use Windows Explorer to copy it into the JA appropriate spot in your folder hierarchy. It was a bit quirky JA when I tried it, but it may be worthwhile depending on the JA complexity of your setup. That could work quite well. ML That's what I thought as well. But it doesn't work. Most, if not ML all, folder properties (including templates) are stored in ML "ACCOUNT.FLX" in each account's home directory. Copying directory ML in Explorer could copy only the message base and index, which is ML not what we want. That's exactly what I thought but haven't had the time to check out. Thanks for doing that Ming-Li. It *was* a good idea if it had been workable :-). -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some questions
Hello Nick, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 9:00:54 PM, you wrote: NA On August 1, 2000, at 6:50:53 AM, Jamie Dainton [Bat] Wrote: C- When PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks Cthe format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible Cto avoid that and keep the justification ? JDB Yes. Set wordwrap clear signed messages to 5 chars greater JDB than the TB! word wrap. This is located in PGP-Options-Email NA Unless I am misunderstanding you, I don't see the need to invoke PGP's NA word wrapping at all. Disengage it altogether when using TB! With the NA use of fixed-width fonts, the Editor basically becomes WYSIWYG... so you NA do not want PGP to re-wrap your message at all. NA Remember that if you invoke PGP's word wrap, that PGP will wrap first, NA followed by TB!, increasing the chances of breaking your PGP signature. Fair enough point although I haven't seen any unusable sigs created yet. -- From Jamie Dainton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:31:15 PM Using The Bat! 1.45 Beta/11 Windows 98 4.10 The Bat -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hello Marck, On Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 13:46:59 GMT +0100 (which was 5:46 AM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: That's exactly what I thought but haven't had the time to check out. Thanks for doing that Ming-Li. It *was* a good idea if it had been workable :-). Well that also explains why it was quirky for me. I have my accounts setup to be pretty much identical, so I didn't notice this pitfall. However, there is one other option. Create a dummy account and folder, and back them up. Then when you need a new folder in TB, move the dummy folder using TB. Then restore the dummy folder from your backup in Windows Explorer. With a self-extracting ZIP or a batch file, this can be made fairly simple. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hello, On Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 19:12:04 GMT -0700 (which was 7:12 PM where I live I would hope) I typed: However, there is one other option. Create a dummy account and folder, and back them up. Then when you need a new folder in TB, move the dummy folder using TB. Then restore the dummy folder from your backup in Windows Explorer. With a self-extracting ZIP or a batch file, this can be made fairly simple. I haven't worked the solution for this part out yet, so this is just a warning. Note that if you use this method to create new accounts, then you *must* rename the account folder in Windows Explorer. When you rename accounts in TB, the corresponding changes are *not* made in the folder structure. In case this isn't clear, suppose I have an account in TB called JA with folders, JA |_ A | |_ B |_B1 Then in Windows Explorer, my mail directory would contain folders, Mail |_ JA |_ A | |_ B |_B1 In TB I can rename my account to Januk. In Windows Explorer, I would still see Mail |_ JA |_ A | |_ B |_B1 So restoring the dummy account from a batch file would destroy a new account, if the new account was created by renaming a dummy account. Is this almost as clear as mud now? g -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Some questions
Hi, There are some details I can't find out in the Help file, if anybody could help ? - Is it possible to sort the *accounts*, for example by name ? - When PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks the format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible to avoid that and keep the justification ? Some suggestions, maybe the developpers of TheBat will read :-) - That would be great to find a "offline" button, which would pause all automatic POP checking, like in the Pegasus software. - About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it, folder by folder, account by account. I personnaly (but that's maybe not the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite, beeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have more than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about 200 to 500 mails by day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I would like to use it for example for ONE or TWO folders, for *important* messages. If I would use now, it would always be running ! And congratulations for this software ! Cameleon http://cameleon.org All to be Anonymous on the Internet PGP keys on server -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Cameleon, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 13:35:12, you wrote: C Hi, CThere are some details I can't find out in the Help file, if Canybody could help ? C- Is it possible to sort the *accounts*, for example by name ? Yes. alt-drag the accounts into the order you want C- When PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks Cthe format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible Cto avoid that and keep the justification ? Yes. Set wordwrap clear signed messages to 5 chars greater than the TB! word wrap. This is located in PGP-Options-Email CSome suggestions, maybe the developpers of TheBat will read :-) C- That would be great to find a "offline" button, which would pause Call automatic POP checking, like in the Pegasus software. Nice idea. C- About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it, Cfolder by folder, account by account. I personnaly (but that's Cmaybe not the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite, Cbeeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have Cmore than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about C200 to 500 mails by day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I Cwould like to use it for example for ONE or TWO folders, for C*important* messages. If I would use now, it would always be Crunning ! Yes this is possible. Right click on the folder in question and uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker" C And congratulations for this software ! C Cameleon C http://cameleon.org C All to be Anonymous on the Internet C PGP keys on server - -- - From Jamie Dainton [Bat] Tuesday, August 01, 2000 14:48:17 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 Windows 98 4.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOYbVybO9xx6V8gurEQIyYgCgglF8vdQJD5zg49EdfGpMbvPS8p8AoLIK zUzRDkf7+SpAzMSc6J9+Rq7V =4ife -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hello Cameleon, On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 at 05:35:12 [GMT -0700], you wrote: C - About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it, C folder by folder, account by account. I personnaly (but that's C maybe not the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite, C beeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have C more than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about C 200 to 500 mails by day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I C would like to use it for example for ONE or TWO folders, for C *important* messages. If I would use now, it would always be C running ! Right-click on the folder and select properties. On the first tab is the option "Show unread messages on MailTicker (tm)". Unfortunately, this means that you will have to go through all your folders to set this to off except for the cpl of folders you want it enabled in. :-( Cheers, Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: Inspected by #13. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some questions
Hi, JDB Yes. alt-drag the accounts into the order you want Ho ?! Thanks :)) JDB Yes. Set wordwrap clear signed messages to 5 chars greater than JDB the TB! word wrap. This is located in PGP-Options-Email Well that's my fault ! I knew that but after I reformat my HD and re-installed all, ... I forgot :-( JDB Yes this is possible. Right click on the folder in question and JDB uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker" Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... ! There isn't a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would be an UNchecked box ?! Thanks for your quick and efficient reply !! Cameleon http://cameleon.org All to be Anonymous on the Internet PGP keys on server -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Cameleon, On 01 August 2000 at 05:35:12 GMT -0700 (which was 13:35 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": C- Is it possible to sort the *accounts*, for example by name ? No. The only way AFAIK is to create the accounts in the order required. C- When PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks Cthe format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible Cto avoid that and keep the justification ? Disable word wrap in PGP. That is the optimum setting for TB since it wraps the text itself before signing. Alternatively set the PGP word wrap one or two characters higher than TB's to ensure that it doesn't re-wrap. C- That would be great to find a "offline" button, which would Cpause all automatic POP checking, like in the Pegasus software. TB has this. Under Network Settings - I think it is the "No automatic dial for periodical checking". C- About the Mailticker: Currently, it is possible to *disable* it, Cfolder by folder, account by account. I personnaly (but that's Cmaybe not the case for most Users :) I would prefer the opposite, Cbeeing able to *enable* it folder/account by folder/account. I have Cmore than 50 accounts, and a total of about 400 folders, for about C200 to 500 mails by day. Now I don't use the Mailticker, but I Cwould like to use it for example for ONE or TWO folders, for C*important* messages. If I would use now, it would always be Crunning ! It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the way it is. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess about which way round the majority would prefer it. Get clicking, I say! You have set it up for you 400 folders in no time. Well, an hour or so ;-). C And congratulations for this software ! Yeah - good, isn't it :-)! -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some questions
Hi, MDP No. The only way AFAIK is to create the accounts in the order MDP required. Hum, no, ALT-drag , thanks to Jamie Dainton who told me :) MDP TB has this. Under Network Settings - I think it is the "No MDP automatic dial for periodical checking". No no, that is I think for auto-DIAL and not auto-POP-CHECK.. MDP It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the MDP way it is. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess about which way MDP round the majority would prefer it. Get clicking, I say! You have MDP set it up for you 400 folders in no time. Well, an hour or so MDP ;-). Well I think I am going to do this, need some minutes ! BTW it would have been done the time I wrote the question .. We always want more features :) Cameleon http://cameleon.org All to be Anonymous on the Internet PGP keys on server -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some questions
At 09:02 am 8/1/00 , you wrote: Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... ! There isn't a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would be an UNchecked box ?! It would be nice if the account info was held in some type of editable file like an INI or DB that Excel could open and save. That way you could globally search and replace the line from Y to N... -- Good Luck, Marc Sincerely, Marc Schreiber E-Mail to memailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] World Wide Web Sitehttp://www.sunbeltinc.com EZ Auto Leasinghttp://www.sunbeltinc.com/ssi EZ Auto Leasing helps you to save money leasing!
Re: Some questions
Hi Marck, It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the way it is. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess about which way round the majority would prefer it. I don't think RIT should guess which way users prefer, either. I would like to see, however, a place to set "default folder properties" (be it a section in Account Properties, or an item under the Folder menu). Whenever I create a new folder, TB takes the settings from there, instead of using TB's own default value. It's similar to the idea of having Account templates and folder-specific templates. It's also similar to Agent's "default newsgroup properties". :) (Sorry, I hate to mention Agent too many times, but it's the only one I know that does this.) -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Ming-Li, On 01 August 2000 at 08:26:36 GMT -0700 (which was 16:26 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": It has to be one way round or the other. For me, it is best the way it is. I wouldn't like to hazard a guess about which way round the majority would prefer it. ML I don't think RIT should guess which way users prefer, either. I disagree. A developer has to make exactly that call every time they add a new feature to their software without the benefit of market research ... and who market researches every addition to their software? ML I would like to see, however, a place to set "default folder ML properties" (be it a section in Account Properties, or an item ML under the Folder menu). Whenever I create a new folder, TB takes ML the settings from there, instead of using TB's own default value. That's a good idea. Every time I create a new folder I have to set my favourite switches over and over. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Marc, On 01 August 2000 at 11:18:53 GMT -0400 (which was 16:18 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL. MS Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... ! MS There isn't a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would MS be an UNchecked box ?! MS It would be nice if the account info was held in some type of MS editable file like an INI or DB that Excel could open and save. MS That way you could globally search and replace the line from Y to MS N... IMHO INI file configuration is a far better way of holding configuration data than the registry and this reason is just one good example of why. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Some questions
Hello Marc, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 16:18:53, you wrote: MS It would be nice if the account info was held in some type of editable file MS like an INI or DB that Excel could open and save. That way you could MS globally search and replace the line from Y to N... Personally I'm convinced it's stored in the registry. tonight I'll get my debugging kit out and find out exactly what reg key it is. Also why are you using exel as a plaintext file editor. It's a spreadsheet application. Ultraedit or even notepad would be a much, much better alternative. BTW Stefan, anyway of changing the background colour for html mails yet. The grey's a bit bleurgh. -- From Jamie Dainton [Bat] Tuesday, August 01, 2000 16:27:04 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 Windows 98 4.10 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:02:34 -0700, Cameleon wrote: JDB Yes. alt-drag the accounts into the order you want C Ho ?! Thanks :)) Also, if you wish to sort the folders in an account in alphabetical order, click on the Folders header tab in the folder list pane. A prompt will appear stating that 'This will change the order of your folders. Do you wish to proceed?' Hit yes and your folders will now be sorted alphabetically. I remember having to test the resort to know what the ordering would be like. Why not state in the prompt from the outset "This will sort your folders in alphabetical order. Do you wish to proceed?" shrug JDB Yes this is possible. Right click on the folder in question and JDB uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker" C Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... ! C There isn't a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would C be an UNchecked box ?! I can't find any registry entry that could help you there. The ticker settings for folders is like the default column settings. You have to tackle them early and build on them. It's a daunting task to use the default column settings when you've already created numerous folders which do not have the 'use default column settings' enabled. Someone had mentioned a folder configuration dialog where you can select multiple folders and then use a single config panel to adjust their settings. -- -=A.C. Martin=-[TB! v1.46 Beta/1 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "My other computer is a HAL 9000. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Some questions Cc: At 11:38 am 8/1/00 , you wrote: Hi Marc, Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL. Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has color added to it! Why is that a problem? IMHO INI file configuration is a far better way of holding configuration data than the registry and this reason is just one good example of why. Agreed. Eudora stores the setup in an INI file and it makes manual editing very easy. -- Thank you for you help! Sincerely, Marc Schreiber Sunbelt Management Inc. Sincerely, Marc Schreiber E-Mail to memailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] World Wide Web Sitehttp://www.sunbeltinc.com EZ Auto Leasinghttp://www.sunbeltinc.com/ssi EZ Auto Leasing helps you to save money leasing!
Re: Some questions
On Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 11:24 AM or thereabouts, Marc Schreiber wrote the following about Some questions: Marc Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line Marc has color added to it! Why is that a problem? Marc Agreed. Eudora stores the setup in an INI file and it makes Marc manual editing very easy. Splendid. Then it should be very easy to shut off the HTML mail, which is how this last message of yours came through again. Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.users.uswest.net/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Never mistake endurance for hospitality. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Marc, On 01 August 2000 at 12:24:04 GMT -0400 (which was 17:24 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": MDP Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure MDP that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL. MS Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has MS color added to it! Why is that a problem? Because plain text - the medium of *real* mail - does not have any colour. Eudora is forcing HTML to express colour and has done so gain. Please suppress it when posting here. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:24:04 -0400, Marc Schreiber wrote: MS Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has MS color added to it! Why is that a problem? Yes!! Once your signature has colour in it, it's sent in HTML format. How else is Eudora supposed to show the coloured signature to the recipient? What Eudora really aught to do is disable or remove the rich text formatting features from the editor when the plain text only message option is in use. In that way, things like this do not happen. Well, it's very much in the spirit of wrapping upon sending. The sender really has no idea of what the recipient is getting. I stay away from clients that do that sort of thing like the plague. MS IMHO INI file configuration is a far better way of MS holding configuration data than the registry and this reason is MS just one good example of why. Agreed. Eudora stores the setup in an MS INI file and it makes manual editing very easy. FWIW, I agree as well. Access is better, management is a lot easier. Portability is a lot easier. -- -=A.C. Martin=-[TB! v1.46 Beta/1 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "Press any key to continue or any other key to quit... " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marc! Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 6:24:04 PM, you wrote: At 11:38 am 8/1/00 , you wrote: Hi Marc, Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL The hint about HTML was directed at *you*. It does not matter what anybody of us thinks about HTML for e-mail in general, but both your mails did not even need HTML as the text was pure text without any formatting or gimmicks. Please - in order to not open a new unnecessary flame war about HTML for e-mails, set Eudora so that it does *not* send HTML to this list - plain text is strongly recommended! Thank you. - -- Using The Bat! 1.45 under Windows 95 4.0 Build 1212 C Dierk Haasis I learn each day what I need to know to do tomorrow's work. (Arnold Toynbee) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOYb2kfTo1oA8g8dLEQLmPQCg7HJvGeVFH996A3yn2YF/EozoatIAoPDg 2iwoZu47rPTIH0Vve0KWaF0q =lWCd -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Marck, ML I don't think RIT should guess which way users prefer, either. I disagree. A developer has to make exactly that call every time they add a new feature to their software without the benefit of market research ... and who market researches every addition to their software? Well, I meant "in this case", 'cause it's too close to call, and there's a better way to solve it. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Curtis, JDB Yes this is possible. Right click on the folder in question JDB and uncheck "show unread messages in mail ticker" C Yes, but I will have to do that 500 times, for 500 folders... ! C There isn't a way of changing a byte somewhere for the default would C be an UNchecked box ?! I can't find any registry entry that could help you there. It's not in the registry. It's in the file "ACCOUNT.FLX", which, from what I can tell, is about folder structure. It's a one-byte setting, 1 for "show new mail in ticker" and 0 for no. Unfortunately, there're too many binary data in there and its record length isn't fixed. Unless RIT tells us how, there's no way to tell which byte to change. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some questions
Hello Marck, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 8:45:23 AM, you wrote: MDP Hi Marc, MDP On 01 August 2000 at 12:24:04 GMT -0400 (which was 17:24 where I MDP live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject MDP of "Some questions": MDP Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure MDP that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL. MS Heh?? I did not send an HTML mail. O... my signature line has MS color added to it! Why is that a problem? MDP Because plain text - the medium of *real* mail - does not have any MDP colour. Eudora is forcing HTML to express colour and has done so gain. MDP Please suppress it when posting here. In Eudora 4.x Tools - Options - Styled Text - Ask Me Each Time You will find this pop-up box extremely annoying and decide that it's better to just not use the styled text. -- Best regards, Jasonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Whoa, deja vu." "What did you just say?" "Nothing, I just had a little deja vu." "What did you see?" "What happened?" "A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it." "How much like it, was it the same cat?" "Might have been, I'm not sure." "Neo: What is it?" "A deja vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something." -- Neo, Trinity and Cypher, "The Matrix" -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Curtis, MS IMHO INI file configuration is a far better way of MS holding configuration data than the registry and this reason MS is just one good example of why. Agreed. Eudora stores the MS setup in an INI file and it makes manual editing very easy. FWIW, I agree as well. Access is better, management is a lot easier. Portability is a lot easier. This has been brought up several times recently, and I agree to a certain degree. I have to say a central registry does have its merits, though. Better designed, it can be easy to manage and portable, too. And even as it is (which is hard to manage and not very portable), it still has some advantages. E.g., it's easy to automate changes with .reg files or scripts, which isn't easy for INIs. -- Best regards, Ming-Li Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Win2k -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some questions
Hello Marc, Tuesday, August 01, 2000, 11:38:26 am, you wrote: MDP Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure that you MDP only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL. How is this? Moved responses to BAT. -- Best regards, Marcmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
On August 1, 2000, at 6:50:53 AM, Jamie Dainton [Bat] Wrote: C- When PGP-signing, if the text is auto-justified, signing breaks Cthe format and creates very bad view of the message. Is it possible Cto avoid that and keep the justification ? JDB Yes. Set wordwrap clear signed messages to 5 chars greater JDB than the TB! word wrap. This is located in PGP-Options-Email Unless I am misunderstanding you, I don't see the need to invoke PGP's word wrapping at all. Disengage it altogether when using TB! With the use of fixed-width fonts, the Editor basically becomes WYSIWYG... so you do not want PGP to re-wrap your message at all. Remember that if you invoke PGP's word wrap, that PGP will wrap first, followed by TB!, increasing the chances of breaking your PGP signature. Nick -=Nick Andriash=- [ TB! v1.46 Beta 1 | PGP 6.5.3 | Win 98 4.10 ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 13:00:54 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: A couple technical clarifications there Nick, if you don't mind. :-) NA Unless I am misunderstanding you, I don't see the need to invoke PGP's NA word wrapping at all. Disengage it altogether when using TB! Agreed. PGP's wrapping doesn't need to be active when using TB! since TB! does not wrap on sending messages. NA With the use of fixed-width fonts, the Editor basically becomes NA WYSIWYG... so you do not want PGP to re-wrap your message at all. It's not the fact that TB! uses fixed width fonts that makes it WYSIWYG. It's just that when TB! auto-wraps while you're editing and reflows text in the various ways it does, it uses hard returns instead of soft returns. Also, it never uses soft returns. Most specialist editors will provide the user a choice between wrapping modes, ie, whether hard or soft returns are used. Because TB!'s editor wraps using hard returns, doesn't do soft returns and TB! doesn't wrap on sending, you see the exact formatting the recipient will receive *before* you send. TB! will therefore not interfere with the formatting of PGP signatures, provided the user doesn't deliberately reflow the PGP signature. NA Remember that if you invoke PGP's word wrap, that PGP will wrap NA first, followed by TB!, increasing the chances of breaking your PGP NA signature. TB! doesn't wrap upon sending. Because of this TB! users run the risk of PGP messing up the message text formatting. It did this to me a couple times and since then I've disabled PGP's text reflowing. PGP's wrapping facility is provided for those clients that reflow text upon sending which happens to comprise most clients out there including OE, Outlook, Eudora, Calypso among others. If one of these clients is set up to reflow text at a column number less than PGP, the clients reflow engine will reflow the PGP signature rendering it invalid. This is why for those clients, their text reflow setting should be higher than PGP's. If you use a similar set up with TB!, the message body text will be reflowed rather horribly. PS// When I say reflow I mean rewrap. -- -=A.C. Martin=-[TB! v1.46 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1] PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey "The most expensive component is the one that breaks. " -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions
Hi Marc, On 01 August 2000 at 13:54:23 GMT -0400 (which was 18:54 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Some questions": MDP Sorry but this list is strictly *NO* HTML mail. Please ensure MDP that you only post in plain text when writing to TBUDL. M How is this? Moved responses to BAT. Wonderful!! Or, even better, Twoderful! ;-) -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some questions about 1.36
On Wednesday, October 13, 1999, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: When I was a programmer, I used regular expressions for search and replace widely, and I can at least imagine what it is. But I cannot understand how regexps can be applied to inserting quoted text. That is why I need documentation about that, or at least any working example. It is becoming really ridiculous when the users are having to go around and around on a mailing list, drawing inferences from other contexts and even quoting from manuals from other programs, trying to figure out how a new feature or capability is used. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.35 (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[3]: Some questions about 1.36
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Monday, October 11, 1999, Oliver Sturm wrote about Some questions about 1.36: OS Well, I know something about regular expressions and I'd sure like to OS use them (actually got them to work in the inbox filters), but I still OS can't imagine what exactly these macros might be for. Correct me, if I wrong: Now you can define which part of text should be quoted in reply and to do it you should specify a RegExp pattern as a parameter string. I believe it can be very useful if you are answering a standard letter, where it is easy to select a text which have to be quoted. Anyway, did anybody try this already and can provide an example? -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Some questions about 1.36
Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 2:20:53 AM, Oleg wrote: I believe it can be very useful if you are answering a standard letter, where it is easy to select a text which have to be quoted. Anyway, did anybody try this already and can provide an example? Another good example would be to automatically remove quoted material in your quote by excluding any line that starts with . :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Some questions about 1.36
Hi Steve Lamb, On Dienstag, 12. Oktober 1999 at 17:47:00 you wrote: SL Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 2:20:53 AM, Oleg wrote: I believe it can be very useful if you are answering a standard letter, where it is easy to select a text which have to be quoted. Anyway, did anybody try this already and can provide an example? SL Another good example would be to automatically remove quoted material in SL your quote by excluding any line that starts with . :) Hm. Nice. ;) I think those are good examples of how to use regular expressions... but since hearing about them in The Bat!, I've been thinking about what exactly to do with them. I don't usually receive mail that is so very standardized that I could use regular expressions to filter the quotation... Ok, you might say, just don't use them. I was just wondering... I know you can do a LOT of nice things with regexps, so I'd really like to use them in some way ;) Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Some questions about 1.36
Tuesday, October 12, 1999, 10:45:18 AM, Oliver wrote: Ok, you might say, just don't use them. I was just wondering... I know you can do a LOT of nice things with regexps, so I'd really like to use them in some way ;) In 'merica we have a saying for this. "Give a child a hammer and everything looks like a nail." Not all problems are solved with a particular tool. Also something that you may be overlooking is that the regexps aren't only implemented in the filters and the macros but also the search strings. For someone, like me, who keeps large databases of mail, having regexps to search through that is yet another good example of regexps (YAGEOR). I don't know if you have such a database, but if you do then you may, from time to time, have use for it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Some questions about 1.36
Hello, the Bat! list recipients, Tuesday, October 12, 1999, Steve Lamb wrote about Some questions about 1.36: SL Also something that you may be overlooking is that the regexps SL aren't only implemented in the filters and the macros but also the SL search strings. When I was a programmer, I used regular expressions for search and replace widely, and I can at least imagine what it is. But I cannot understand how regexps can be applied to inserting quoted text. That is why I need documentation about that, or at least any working example. -- Best regards, Oleg Zalyalov. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! version 1.36 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5, RC 1.1 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: Some questions about 1.36
Hi all, On Monday, October 11, 1999, 3:07:04 AM (-5 GMT), Steve scribbled: I tried them and can't seem to get them to do change the quote prefix. Probably they're for some other mysterious purpose but I'd sure like to know since I may find use for them. The answer is in the changes log. They have added Perl style regular expressions to certain areas of TB!. Regular expressions (regexp) are patterns that match against text and allow for the inclusion or exclusion of said text in a very powerful manner. Anyone who has done any work on unix with either grep, perl or sed will know what regexps do and will most likely be doing the jig next to their keyboard when they find out they are in TB!. BTW, it is something that I've been trying to get into PMMail for years. Well, I don't expect any details from you but the lack of documentation by Ritlabs would indicate to me that they wish to leave the 'jigging' to those who already are familiar with regexp and how to use them. Should I take it to mean then that only those who are already familiar with it would have use for it? -- Regards, -=Ali=- Don't thank me for insulting you. It was my pleasure... *---* Using The Bat! 1.36 on Windows NT 4.0 (Service Pack 5) *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Some questions about 1.36
Hi Steve Lamb, On Montag, 11. Oktober 1999 at 10:07:04 you wrote: SL Monday, October 11, 1999, 1:01:26 AM, Ali wrote: OS 1) What do I do with %REGEXPTEXT %REGEXPQUOTES macros ? I do suspect that these macros should change the quoting prefix, although I didn't check it myself. I tried them and can't seem to get them to do change the quote prefix. Probably they're for some other mysterious purpose but I'd sure like to know since I may find use for them. SL The answer is in the changes log. They have added Perl style regular SL expressions to certain areas of TB!. Regular expressions (regexp) are SL patterns that match against text and allow for the inclusion or exclusion of SL said text in a very powerful manner. Anyone who has done any work on unix SL with either grep, perl or sed will know what regexps do and will most likely SL be doing the jig next to their keyboard when they find out they are in TB!. Well, I know something about regular expressions and I'd sure like to use them (actually got them to work in the inbox filters), but I still can't imagine what exactly these macros might be for. Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: Some questions about 1.36
Hi Andrew K. Lovetski, On Montag, 11. Oktober 1999 at 13:15:53 you wrote: 2) If I create a new message, enter some text and close the window, why is that question asking me whether to trash my changes in russian (or some other language I can't read)? AKL If you have International Pack installed, then update your .LNG file - AKL download it from http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html An old LNG AKL file is often the cause of such troubles. If you don't have any .LNG AKL file in The Bat! directory, then I cannot imagine any cause for the AKL behavior described. Well, I had the newest language pack installed already, but after reinstalling it (after the update to 1.36), the russian (or whatever) message vanished. 4) Why does it say "Entering an _indexed_ folder is 2-4 times faster"? I didn't know yet there was something like an indexed folder as opposed to a non-indexed folder?! AKL Oleg Zalyalov wrote: I did understand that phrase as follows: now folders are indexed and that makes TB! to open them 2-4 times faster. I don't know whether it is a real fact or a result of suggestion, but it seems to me really working faster. They do work faster. I have some folders containing several hundred messages and they definitely open faster. Thank god for that!!! ;) Oliver Sturm -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, click below and send the generated message. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
