Re: Fingering in PMX (was RE: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?)
1 In piano pieces there are rarely fingernumbers left of the notes. Even with cords, they are stacked above or beneath the chord. If they are between the notes, then the music becomes less readable. 2 I (always) use an 8 pt (postscript)font 3 ... and stacked digits (hight ref on lower digit if above the chord, ...)? 4 I understand the advantage of using the accidental method is that the fingers are placed automatically. If they collide with the accidentals, are they placed then after the notes? Also the o command algorithm puts the symbols nicely above the staff or above the notes (but not the notes with a (shorted) stem above a staff. But i am an amateur, i follow the ideas of the professionals Andre ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Fingering in PMX (was RE: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?)
Allright, you guys have me thinking about automating all this in PMX. (Meanwhile use \zcharnote..\ or D ). Here are some considerations, for your comment: 1. I may be able to adapt the algorithm used for placing accidentals to work for fingerings too. This would assume the default position is to the left of the notehead. This can get very complicated in chords with 2nds, maybe even with 3rds, if the digits cannot just be stacked; you need to store the outline of each character to determine how much lateral shift is needed to avoid collisions. 2. What font specification? Must scale with \musicsize. 3. Printed characters? single digits, 2 closely spaced digits with a tie above them. Any others? 4. Syntax? Start out parallel to accidentals, i.e., subcommand to note name. Can't use d, f, D, or F. The best I can think of is "G" (for guitar). Then one or two digits (but see item #5). Second consecutive digit always taken as second part of printed pair, not any other interpretation of digits that can be used in note names. So cG24 would not mean a quarter note with finger 2, it would be a note with inherited duration and a tied pair of numbers. 5. Position modifiers (with +/-") would have to come before the finger digits, othersise +/- could be confused with something else. They would then need a terminator ":" to signal when the finger digits start. Should position modifiers be relative to default position or to center of notehead, or somewhere else? Does vertical position need any finer resolution than 1 \internote? Should there be a separate modifier to change default position to above or below? Change of default position could either be global or local. --Don Simons > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of David Raleigh Arnold > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 1:56 PM > To: Joerg Anders > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ? > > > > On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:07:05 Joerg Anders wrote: > > Hi all! > > > > I didn't find anything about fingering in MuxiXTeX documentation. > > I saw an example there somebody placed numbers above the > > staff. It is good for a single line of music. But what to do > > in case of chords? > > > > Actually I'm looking for possibility to write small numbers > > before or after the notes. This should also work for > > chords. > > > > Any suggestions ? > > Just one. Before good, after bad. > > > Information is not knowledge. Belief is not truth. > Indoctrination is not teaching. Tradition is not evidence. > David Raleigh Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > TeX-music mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?
On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:07:05 Joerg Anders wrote: > Hi all! > > I didn't find anything about fingering in MuxiXTeX documentation. > I saw an example there somebody placed numbers above the > staff. It is good for a single line of music. But what to do > in case of chords? > > Actually I'm looking for possibility to write small numbers > before or after the notes. This should also work for > chords. > > Any suggestions ? Just one. Before good, after bad. Information is not knowledge. Belief is not truth. Indoctrination is not teaching. Tradition is not evidence. David Raleigh Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?- using the D command
There are examples of piano pieces in the icking site(Chopin,Schuman, Schubert,Benoit,
Grieg,...),
the commands are in the file mypmxdef.tex. I use them in pmx and Musixtex.
Something else: it would be nice if the D-command in pmx that start with a figure
should have a tiny
(finger)font and that in that case the "..." are not used. This is already done in
simular thing as
Dp Dmp .. they have the \ppff font.
Fingercommands then could be something as: D4+3-.2 ...
D"\tinyfont \t{45}" is to be done at the old way
I know, i mentioned this before, who am i to ask such things, not knowing if it is
possible to do
it.
Andre
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Re: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?
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From: "Joerg Anders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?
> Hi all!
>
> I didn't find anything about fingering in MuxiXTeX documentation.
> I saw an example there somebody placed numbers above the
> staff. It is good for a single line of music. But what to do
> in case of chords?
There are examples in my edition of CPE Bach's Versuch. For
example, p.18, there are *three* numbers for a single note. There are
also chords further on.
> Actually I'm looking for possibility to write small numbers
> before or after the notes. This should also work for
> chords.
Look at my definition of \dgta, \dgtb, etc. I wasn't happy with the
centering of \zcharnote or \ccharnote. I am sure you know how to
use \loffset and \roffset.
En hoppant que ça helpe :-)
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Re: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?
On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:44:14 +0200, Patrik Nyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >In the archive you'll find a file with (among other things) macros >for guitar fingerings, written by Eva Jaksch. They're great. Thanks for the compliment, but I should point out that the macros have been radically revised (and, I hope, improved) since I posted that package. In particular, I've added several macros for putting fingering next to chordal notes. The only reason I haven't yet made the file publicly available is that I keep intending to write some proper how-to-use documentation first, and I just can't seem to find the time to do so. However, the macros file itself contains usage instructions that should be intelligible enough. Anyone who wants the file is welcome to drop me a line, and I'll send it to them privately. (Jörg, I'm assuming you want it and am sending it without waiting for your say-so! ) Eva Downloadable guitar edition of J.S. Bach, Lute Suite BWV 995: http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/scores/bach/bwv995/bwv995cg.pdf -- "Your concert-goer, though he feed upon symphony as a lamb upon milk, is no true lover if he play no instrument. Your true lover does more than admire the muse, he sweats a little in her service." --Catherine Drinker Bowen Friends and Fiddlers (1935) ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [TeX-music] fingering in MusiXTeX ?
Joerg Anders wrote: >Hi all! > >I didn't find anything about fingering in MuxiXTeX documentation. >I saw an example there somebody placed numbers above the >staff. It is good for a single line of music. But what to do >in case of chords? > >Actually I'm looking for possibility to write small numbers >before or after the notes. This should also work for >chords. > >Any suggestions ? If you want this for guitar, download http://icking-music-archive.sunsite.dk/scores/bach/bwv1007/bwv1007guit.zip In the archive you'll find a file with (among other things) macros for guitar fingerings, written by Eva Jaksch. They're great. /Patrik Nyman ___ TeX-music mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sunsite.dk/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
