Re: [Tex-music] PMX error with unusual triplets in a file created withxml2pmx

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Pmx can only use a beam in a tuplet for all notes. For excluding some notes, 
in line tex is needed. Because there are notes that look as quarters the 
beam must be forced ([m1).


I learned somthing from you: the use of "m3", thanks for that.

Andre


 1 1  3 4 3 4 0 1
 1 1 16 0.07

t
./
Tt
Polska Nymphaea Bar 4 and 7
Tc
Johannes Mayr
AbeplT
%\\input musixper\
%%w277m
%%h390m

% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
 \zcharnote{12}{\metron{\qu}{80}}\ [ g24x6n3f-2 a4 b4D c5D ] [ a44x3 g4 
f4 ] /
[m1 g24x6n3 \tbu1\ a4 \def\qb#1{\qu}\ b4D \def\tbu#1{}\ c5D ] [ a44x3 g4 
f4 ] /

% ( 1| 1| 1) 2
 rp /
% ( 1| 1| 1) 3
 c24x3 c5d b4 [ a8d4 g14 ] /
=

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From: Bodo Meißner

Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 5:46 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX error with unusual triplets in a file created 
withxml2pmx


Am 30.11.2020 um 16:40 schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:
I do not know if this is very helpful, but the triplet should be a 
6-tuplet:


[ g24x6 a4 b4D c5D ]

(There are no complaints for the [..]



Hello Andre,

thank you for the suggestion.

The PMX file was generated with Dieter's xml2pmx program from valid ABC
notation via conversion to valid MusicXML, and the ABC notation is the
main source. The original peace contains more bars with this type of
triplet. So modifying the PMX input would be a tedious task.

Nevertheless, a solution for this problem might be useful for a possible
improvement of xml2pmx.

Your solution prints a 6-tuplet while the original score uses a triplet.
I was already able to fix this by appending "n3". With this change the
first bar looks like this:

% ( 1| 1| 1) 1
 \zcharnote{12}{\metron{\qu}{80}}\ [ g24x6n3 a4 b4D c5D ] [ a44x3 g4 f4 ] /

Is it possible to get the two 1/8 notes beamed?

A minor problem is the collision of the tempo specification with the
triplet bracket. I didn't test yet if such a collision would also occur
with the full original score.


Best regards,
Bodo
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

In some (rare?) cases, it is possible to have xtuplets with barcrossbeams:

===
   322 4  2 4   0  4
   1  1   20  .08


btt
./
w3i
[ g42x5 d+   rb rb a ]j r4 /
[jl rb4x5 rb  e4 g c  ] r4 /
rbp /
===

Andre

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From: Andre Van Ryckeghem

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 5:15 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

Sorry, Don, i was to fast, i had an example from you, i forgot it was with
in line TeX code.

Andre


---
\def\title{Trio with half and 8th notes}%
\def\autor{Don}%
\ifx\undefined \autor \def\autor{} \else \fi\
\ifx\undefined \Contnts \else \Contnts{\title}{\autor}\fi\
---
   322 4  2 4   0  4
   1  1   20  .08


btt
./
w3i
%[ g42x5 d+  r r r  ]j rb //
%[j r4x5 r  e g c  ] r4 /
%rbp /
\\\let\tbut\tbu\
\\\def\tblfortbu{\def\tbu##1{\tbl{##1}\let\tbu\tbut}}\
[l+16 g42x5 d+ \nextstaff\   e+ \nextstaff\ g \tblfortbu\ c ]
 \prevstaff\sk\sk\ [u+2 c43++x5 g+ \nextstaff\ e \nextstaff\ g \tblfortbu\
c ] /
rb2 /
g85 e c g+ /
===


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From: dsim...@roadrunner.com

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 10:44 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

Andre, if you tried that and got it to work, I'd really like to see your PMX
file. When I tried it, it definitely failed. It looks to me like PMX simply
doesn't allow staff-jumping beamed xtuplets. At the moment I'm not inclined
to modify the PMX code to allow this. But Rodolfo, if you could send me an
image of what you are trying to produce, I have some ideas about how to do
it with inline TeX.

--Don

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From: TeX-Music  On Behalf
Of Andre Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:23 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

It must be ']j'

Greatings,
Andre

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From: Rodolfo Medina
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:49 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

Hi, Don, hi all...

In a tuplet, if I try to use the expression `j]', PMX complains that

In xtup, this character is not allowed

So, this means it is not possible, in PMX, to have cross-stave tuplets?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

It must be ']j'

Greatings,
Andre

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From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:49 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX: cross-stave tuplets?

Hi, Don, hi all...

In a tuplet, if I try to use the expression `j]', PMX complains that

In xtup, this character is not allowed

So, this means it is not possible, in PMX, to have cross-stave tuplets?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] Trouble with PATH wth my new Windows 10 computer

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Your .ps file shows nothing. Your .pdf shows the 1st staff, without notes. I 
ran the .tex file and got a full page in the .ps.

(i always make a .pdf from a .ps with the button in Miktex)
Andre

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From: Jean-Pierre Coulon

Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:01 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Trouble with PATH wth my new Windows 10 computer


On Thu, 6 Aug 2020, Andre Van Ryckeghem wrote:


I ran the file without problems.


Which one? Did you open or process my .ps file?

--
Jean-Pierre Coulon
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Re: [Tex-music] Trouble with PATH wth my new Windows 10 computer

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I ran the file without problems.

My musixps.tex comes from:

("C:\Users\AVR\AppData\Local\Programs\MiKTeX 
2.9\tex\generic\musixtex\musixps.tex"

MusiXPS PostScript slurs, ties and crescendos 0.93 (17.2.2015)

And i have
C:\Users\AVR\AppData\Local\Programs\MiKTeX 2.9
in the (refreshed) Miktex root

And i have
C:\Users\AVR\AppData\Local\Programs\MiKTeX 2.9\miktex.bin
in the DOS path

Andre

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From: Jean-Pierre Coulon

Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 7:22 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Cc: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Trouble with PATH wth my new Windows 10 computer

On Tue, 4 Aug 2020, Bob Tennent wrote:


Are you sure the dvips package is actually installed? MiKTeX
installs .exe files that aren't usable until the real
executable is available.


I copied  C:\Program Files\MiKTeX\miktex\bin\x64\dvips.exe to a personal
directory that is on my PATH. Now it works for musixtex files that don't
use musixps.

But if I use musixps the ps file is corrupted when if I convert it to pdf,
even with my old XP computer. When I use ps2pdf I obtain the attached
message and my pdf contains only 1 line. If I open nivers3l.ps with GSview
on the old computer it rants about something offending.

Bye,
--
Jean-Pierre Coulon





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Re: [Tex-music] cross over beamed notes

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thank You Don, I have learned again from you.

The sequence 'c b' is now ok, but i need also the 16th notes in the upper 
staff. I did it in your example and it affects the second staff.


Andre




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From: dsim...@roadrunner.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 8:13 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] cross over beamed notes

Andre, does this do what you want?


c82 zc+ c- zc+ c-4u zc+ //
[u+18 g83 ze g ]j rb4 /
[jl b83 zcr e zcr zb ] g44 ze zc zb /
c1 da e fa g8 aa /


I started with the example from bar 2 of staffcrossall.pmx. Then it did take
lots of trial and error to get it right. But it looks like you confused
things even more by putting in some unnecessary extra [j and ]j .

--Don

-Original Message-
From: TeX-Music  On Behalf
Of Andre Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:30 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: [Tex-music] cross over beamed notes

Dear all,

I need help to set this 1st bar right.

In staff 2:
- The second chord looks like a 16th note, probably because of the upper
staff (compare with the 2nd bar)
- in the same chord i want the sequence of the 'c b' changed to 'b c' as in
the 3th chord.

(the upper staff is a song line, i need flagged notes there)

Thanks in advance

Andre

=
32   2 4 2 4  0 -1
1 1  16  .08


btt
./
c82 zc+ c- zc+ c4-u zc+  //
[u+18 g8 ze ]j [j g ]j rb4 /
[ju c8 zb ]j [jl c ] zbr ze b4u zc ze zg   //
rbp /
c1 da e fa g8 aa /
%
c82 zc+ c- zc+ c4-u zc+  //
[u+18 g8 ze ]j [j g ]j rb4 /
[ju c8- zb ]j [jl c ] zbr ze b4u zc ze zg   //
rbp /
rp /
===

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Re: [Tex-music] IMSLP Chopin's mazurka pmx engraving files

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi,

This is in casewhat you are looking for.
If the pmx source is needed, i can provide it.

Uploading to ISMLP is a bit tedious. Years ago, Christian did it for me.

The midi is made from an adapted pmx file.

Andre

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From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 2:12 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] IMSLP Chopin's mazurka pmx engraving files

Hi all...

Chopin's mazurka Op.67 n.2 .pmx file at IMSLP is uncomplete: it only 
includes

the first measure.  Why...?

With the occasion, I renew my proposal of creating a separate repository 
with

PMX/MusiXTeX sources.  They are only 1% of all the scores in IMSLP now:
creating such a separate section could hopefully have the effect of, or 
help,

increasing them...

thanks, cheers

rodolfo
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mazurka672.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


mazurka672mid.mid
Description: audio/mid
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Re: [Tex-music] Mess with musixdbr (dotted bar line)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I replaced all '\en' by '\en%'

perhaps other lines also need a '%' at the end.

i had also to comment out this line:

%\special{header=thikcres.pro}

in attach the result

Andre
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From: cou...@oca.eu

Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:17 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Mess with musixdbr (dotted bar line)

Can anybody explain why I obtain this mess? (even with a single TeX pass)

Bye,

--
Jean-Pierre Coulon





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[Tex-music] Trills in pmx

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear Don

Since the 'the dot on the right note' correction in chords, this trill 
compiles correct:


e2dxT12 ?-2.4 zgn zasd ? as-

and this trill gives a segmentation error:

e2dxT12 ?-2.4 zgnd+0+1 zasd ? as-

Thanks to look at it,

Andre 


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Re: [Tex-music] TeXperts: Help!

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I do not know if this could work, but adding a skip before the macro that 
start on line 45 (uneqprob.tex) moves the system down


\vskip\parskip\hbox to\hsize{\vbox{\hsize=.70\hsize%
\contpiece

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 6:08 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] TeXperts: Help!

I'm getting close to releasing a version of PMX that enables arbitrary blank
gaps at the beginning or middle of any staff, relying on TeXniques designed
by Olivier Vogel and expanded by Bob Tennet. In modifying PMX it hasn't been
at all easy to account for all the possibilities involving movement breaks,
page breaks, bar numbering, etc., but now I have most of the horizontal
spacing issues worked out. However, there are still some problems with
vertical spacing, illustrated with the attached plain MusiXTeX file
eqprob.tex. It uses Olivier's  basic method for shortening a line by putting
it into a \hbox. The file also uses the long-standing PMX method "Av" to try
to get equal vertical spacing. Av works by including very long, equal-length
vertical struts in all lines. This in effect gives all systems equal heights
which add up to more space than available on one page, so when forced into
the actual vertical space in the page, they all end of with the same amount
of blank vertical space being clipped off, leaving equal vertical space
between the bottom line of one system and the top line of the next. If you
compile the example, you'll see that the method breaks down for the
shortened system in line 4, probably related to the fact that the \hbox is
handled differently during the vertical squeezing/trimming process.

The other file uneqprob.tex has all of the struts removed, and represents
what PMX would give without Av. Now the space above line 4 comes out too
small.

I'd be very grateful if someone could figure out a general way to get the
\hbox'ed line handled the same way as the other lines in both cases,
restoring the equal vertical spacing.

I did find that I could manually reduce or expand the size of the unequal
gap using \spread{...} with a positive or negative argument. This command,
defined in pmx.tex, adds a negative \vskip right before the next \contpiece.
But it takes trial and error to find the right value of the argument, so
it's not at all the ideal solution.

--Don







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Re: [Tex-music] pmx - increasing the number of instruments

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thanks for giving your comments Dirk and Don,

When making a booklet i need a list of inputfiles that look like this one

\input file1.tex
\input file2.tex
\input file2.tex

This files are produced by pmx and are needed to provide the pagenumbers and 
a table of contents. The dummy files can't be removed from the tex files.


Thanks to Dieter, i made my method for making a booklet of sheets in tex a 
little bit more manageable. Whoever wants to look at it is here:


http://www.avrmar.be/avr/booklet.zip

Andre

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From: Don Simons

Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 5:01 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] pmx - increasing the number of instruments

Andre, this couldn't be more elegant! The inline TeX doesn't require any
dimensioning. If I ever finish my current PMX improvement project (blank
gaps) I may consider trying to build this method into PMX.

But I do wonder exactly what you mean when you say that a dummy page cannot
be used when making a booklet. If you start with a PDF, you can always
manually delete one page from it before processing it further. (Unless of
course that offends your sensibilities.)

--Don


-Original Message-
From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-
bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van
Ryckeghem
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 2:00 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: [Tex-music] pmx - increasing the number of instruments

Dear all,

If i want to increase the number of instruments (ie. starting with 1
instrument and then go one with 2), pmx must be started with the maximum
of instruments. I have to made a dummy first page with the maximum of
instruments and then throw it away. But if making a booklet, this cannot

be

done.

A method of making it working is putting 2 instruments above each other,

so

only 1 can be seen. This tex commands ie. are used therefore:
\\interstaff{13}\setinterinstrument1{-13\Interligne}\

Now i'm trying a more elegant (?) method by setting the size of the
instrument to 0. This works for 1 staff instruments.  I have added an

example

the clarifies it a little more i hope.

I like to get comments on this or hints to improve.

=
 3-2 1 24 4 4 4   0  1
1 4 20  .05

Man.
bbt
./
Arbd
%1
\\setsize1{0}\setclef18\setsign10\setmeter1{}\
rbp rbp rbp rbp rbp /
c44 b8 a b4 g | d+ c8 b c4 a | e+ d8 c d4 b | e c d d- | g0 /
e44 d8 c d2 | f4 e8 d e2 | g4 f8 e f2 | g.f | g0 // g24.b | a.c | b.d | c4

b a2 | g0r

/ %
L3M+12r+ci.05
m6464
\\\setsize1{\normalvalue}\setclef1{5}\
\\\setname1{Ped.}\setname2{Man.}\
d0d- t dd t t dd t t dd t /
a2d t ad t | ed+ d,c | a0d e2+ d8 e d2,c / f2d t fd t t f0d t t fd t t fd

t //

e2d+ dS2,cS1 a0d e2+ d8 e d2,c a0d t /
==

Thanks
Andre

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[Tex-music] pmx - increasing the number of instruments

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear all,

If i want to increase the number of instruments (ie. starting with 1 
instrument and then go one with 2), pmx must be started with the maximum of 
instruments. I have to made a dummy first page with the maximum of 
instruments and then throw it away. But if making a booklet, this cannot be 
done.


A method of making it working is putting 2 instruments above each other, so 
only 1 can be seen. This tex commands ie. are used therefore:

\\interstaff{13}\setinterinstrument1{-13\Interligne}\

Now i'm trying a more elegant (?) method by setting the size of the 
instrument to 0. This works for 1 staff instruments.  I have added an 
example the clarifies it a little more i hope.


I like to get comments on this or hints to improve.

=
3-2 1 24 4 4 4   0  1
   1 4 20  .05

Man.
bbt
./
Arbd
%1
\\setsize1{0}\setclef18\setsign10\setmeter1{}\
rbp rbp rbp rbp rbp /
c44 b8 a b4 g | d+ c8 b c4 a | e+ d8 c d4 b | e c d d- | g0 /
e44 d8 c d2 | f4 e8 d e2 | g4 f8 e f2 | g.f | g0 //
g24.b | a.c | b.d | c4 b a2 | g0r /
%
L3M+12r+ci.05
m6464
\\\setsize1{\normalvalue}\setclef1{5}\
\\\setname1{Ped.}\setname2{Man.}\
d0d- t dd t t dd t t dd t /
a2d t ad t | ed+ d,c | a0d e2+ d8 e d2,c /
f2d t fd t t f0d t t fd t t fd t //
e2d+ dS2,cS1 a0d e2+ d8 e d2,c a0d t /
==

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Re: [Tex-music] Line-length challenge for the TeXperts

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

In 2017, Olivier Vogel made a coda.pmx file.
It shows a method to make blank at the end of a staff (bar32) and also at the 
beginning (bar33).

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 5:51 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Line-length challenge for the TeXperts

Can anyone come up with a cleaner way to shorten a single line…not necessarily 
the last one on the page…in PMX (without trial and error)? If so I may 
incorporate it into PMX.

 

--Don

 

From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:03 PM
To: 'Dieter' 
Subject: RE: PMX with Comments at the end of a line

 

Dieter--

 

OK, here's an example of one way to create a blank space at the end of a line 
and then put some text in it. Since you need to tailor the width of the white 
rectangle by trial and error, this would be tedious if you had to do it more 
than once or twice, but it does work, without requiring any changes to the 
basic page layout or staff widths. Let me know if you have any questions.

 

--Don

 

==

1 1 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 2 20 0

 

t

.\

\\input pstricks\

\\\def\gap{\

\\\psframe[linestyle=none,fillstyle=solid,fillcolor=white](-17pt,-1pt)(100pt,21pt)}\

c44 d e f g a b c /

L2

c44 d e f g a b c /

RD \gap\ rb0 D"Hello"+8-2 Rz /

==

 



 

> -Original Message-

> From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 8:43 AM

> To: 'Dieter' 

> Subject: RE: PMX with Comments at the end of a line

> 

> Hi, Dieter--

> 

> I wondered why you were emailing me in German. I'm afraid I don't

> understand any of it.

> 

> You can do anything with inline TeX, but it's usually difficult.

> 

> The first question is whether you want the comments in the margin, or

> whether you want the music staff on that line to stop short. If you want it

> shortened, and if you are using postscript (which I always do) then there is a

> way to draw a solid white box anywhere using a package called pstricks,

> which may be included in MiKTeX. I know I've done this before but I haven't

> yet found the examples. If you want to shorten the staff but are not using

> postscript, then I'm afraid you'd need to figure out a way to end that staff

> early using inline MusiXTeX commands, and that would be tricky.

> 

> If you want to pursue this on your own, maybe the above comments will

> help. If you want me to work on it, then please send more details about

> exactly what you want to do.

> 

> --Don

> 

> > -Original Message-

> > From: Dieter [mailto:d.gloet...@web.de]

> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 5:44 AM

> > To: Don Simons 

> > Subject: PMX with Comments at the end of a line

> >

> > Hi Don,

> >

> > my last mail was sent off by mistake. Sorry!

> >

> > I was discussing with a friend, whether PMX would be able to support

> > comments at the end of an input line.

> >

> > Did you ever consider such an idea?

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Dieter

> >

> > --

> > 

> > Dr. Dieter Glötzel

> > Im Rosengarten 27

> > 64367 Mühltal

> > Tel.: 06151 / 360 82 72

 




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Re: [Tex-music] Problem with pmx file

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Your file runs with pmx2.87 (windows10), but i had to remove some '[' in the 
file.

It runs also if  choosing 1 instrument for the piano.

% nv, -noinst, nostaves per instrument
2 1
% mtrnuml,mtrdenl,mtrnmp,mtrdnp,xmtrnum0,isig
8 8 8 8 0 0
%
% npages,nsyst,musicsize,fracindent
0 5 16 0.07
Piano
bt


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From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 12:57 AM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] Problem with pmx file

Hi all...

I get error when processing a pmx file:

$ musixtex b_inv_01.pmx
This is musixtex.lua version 0.21.
This is PMX, Version 2.84 , 10 Feb 18
Opening b_inv_01.pmx

Starting first PMX pass


ERROR in line 25, bar 0 There should be a blank here
  v

  ^
!! pmx processing of b_inv_01.pmx fails.


I'm attaching the file...  Please help whoever can.

Thanks,

Rodolfo








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Re: [Tex-music] A mystery for the TeXperts

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear all,

I have no solution, only a comment:
Removing the '&' in the lines:
%\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerbar{\liftpause0}\en&}%
\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerbar{\pause}\en&}%
to become
%\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerbar{\liftpause0}\en}%
\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerbar{\pause}\en}%
voids the error message.

I do not understand why ther is a bar 2


Andre
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 12:45 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] A mystery for the TeXperts

I had hoped someone would resolve this when it arose in the recent thread
"PMX: Changing of numbers of instruments" but no one did. So I'm trying
again, with a boiled-down version of the puzzle, with all the PMX-specific
stuff stripped away. The following MusiXTeX file works OK as is, but if line
15 is replaced by line 16, it fails. The only thing that changes is the
argument of \centerbar within the \atnextbar command, from \liftpause0 to
\pause . I would very much appreciate having one of the TeXperts explain why
it works in one case but not the other.

--Don Simons

=
\input musixtex
\normalmusicsize%
\hsize=524pt
\vsize740pt
\def\nbinstruments{2}
\setstaffs12
\setclef1{60}
\setstaffs21
\setclef20
\generalsignature{ 0}%
\generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{4}}%
\startmuflex\startpiece\addspace\afterruleskip%
% Bar count 1
\notes\wh{''C}|&\wh c\en%
\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerbar{\liftpause0}&%
%\def\atnextbar{\znotes|\centerbar{\pause}&%
% If above line is uncommented and one above that commented, fails.
\en}%
\setstaffs11%
\setclef10%
\def\nbinstruments{1}%
% Bar count 2
\stoppiece\startpiece
\notes\wh c\en%
\Endpiece
\vfill\eject\endmuflex
\bye
=

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX stem length error on beamed octave chords

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I don’t know if you want the beam between the notes, but if not:

I use forced beams (if necessary) with the chord note next to the beam as first 
note.

==
2 -1 2 3 4 3 4  0.0 -2 1 1 20 0

60
./
Tc
PMX 2.73
Tt
Beam Error
Arb w180m
g83 zg- a8+ za- b4+ zb- e4s ze- /
b84e a8 g4 g4e //
d2+ zd- c4+ zc- /
[u g83 zg- a8+ za- ] b4+ zb- e4su ze- /
b84e a8 g4 g4e //
d2+ zd- c4+ zc- /
[l g82 zg+ a8- za+ ] b4 zb- e4su ze- /
b84e a8 g4 g4e //
d2+ zd- c4+ zc- /
==

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:13 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX stem length error on beamed octave chords

Dirk Laurie wrote

> Op Di. 9 Apr. 2019 om 20:00 het Don Simons 

> geskryf:

> >

> > This seems to fix it:

> >

> > ...

> > Arb w60m

> > [-6 g83 zg- a8+ za- ] b4+ zb- e4s ze- / b84e a8 g4 g4e //

> > d2+ zd- c4+ zc- /

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> > I haven't done lots of checking, but I believe it's been the case since day 
> > 1

> that beam positions are only based on main notes, and ignore chord notes.

> 

> I don't think that can be the reason. If I change the line to

> 

> g82 zg+ a8- za+ b4- zb+ e4s ze+ /

> 

> the lower notes are now the main notes, but the result is as attached.

> The stems are to the left of the noteheads, i.e. downward, but they are

> correct for the chord notes, not the main notes.

 

Hmmm. After a little more checking, I'd say that the beaming commands PMX sends 
to MusiXTeX are the same as if the chord notes weren't there. The reason the 
stems got shifted to the left is buried somewhere in MusiXTeX's handling of the 
chordal notes when they come out on the opposite side of the beam from the main 
notes. Here's a slightly modified example. 

 

[ e82 zg+ f8- za+ ] e- f [ e82 zg f8 za+ ]

 

\pnotes{2.00}\ibu1E1\zq{'G}\qb1{`E}\zq{''A}\tbu1\qb1{``F}\ibu1E1\qb1E%

\tbu1\qb1F\ibu1E1\zq G\qb1E\zq{''A}\tbu1\qb1{``F}\en%

 

The beam initiation and termination commands are the same for each beam.

 



 

Given that this has been going on forever, and because there’s a 
straightforward work-around using PMX’s manual beam height and slope tweaks, 
I’m not highly motivated to upgrade PMX’s logic to deal with it.

 

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Re: [Tex-music] Volta positioning and maybe a bug with voltas combined with a line break and a meter change

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This is a somewhat dirty trick to get Volta 2 on the next line.

I used this lines:

\\let\myzalaligne\zalaligne\
\\let\mySetvolta\Setvolta\
\\\def\Setvolta#1{\generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{8}}\def\zalaligne{\
\\\myzalaligne\mySetvolta#1\def\zalaligne\myzalaligne\generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{8}}}\def\Setvolta\mySetvolta}\


===
1 -1 1 6 8 6 8  0.0 -1 1 2 20 0

0
./
Tt
%\mtxTitle
w190m
% Paragraph 3 line 14 bar 1
w150m
h270m
ca84 da8 ea8 fa8 ga8 ba8 | /

% Paragraph 4 line 18 bar 2
V1 ba8 ga8 fa8 ea8 da8 ca8 /
%\\\znotes\en\setendvolta\
Rr
% Paragraph 5 line 20 bar 3
\\let\myzalaligne\zalaligne\
\\let\mySetvolta\Setvolta\
\\\def\Setvolta#1{\generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{8}}\def\zalaligne{\
\\\myzalaligne\mySetvolta#1\def\zalaligne\myzalaligne\generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{8}}}\def\Setvolta\mySetvolta}\
m4/8/4/8
%\setvolta2\setendvolta\
Vx2 ca8 fa8 aa8 ca8  | Rb
/

% Paragraph 6 line 22 bar 4
Vx ca8 ga8+ ea8 ca8 RD
==

Andre


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From: Simon Feiler

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:40 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Volta positioning and maybe a bug with voltas combined 
with a line break and a meter change


Dear M-Tx/PMX/MusicTeX-perts,

I usually write notes to rock-, pop-, folk- and childrens-songs
in Arragements for guitar / keyboard / piano / accordeon
and am using
 - M-Tx 0.63
 - musixcrd.tex v1.7
 - PMX Version 2.83
 - musixtex.lua version 0.19
 - pdfTeX Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 from MiKTeX 2.9 64-bit
for that purpose at the time.

My first question is, whether there is a possibility
to raise Voltas higher above the staffs than their
default position is.
As you can see in the attached pdf - which is a
compilation of the M-Tx-code stated below
the signing of this e-mail - the Volta-line crushes
into the chord-symbols and the g-Note in bar 4.
I didn't find any hints about raising Voltas in the
M-Tx and PMX-documentation so far and would
be clad if somebody could help me with that task.

Another problem occurs, when a volta-change,
a meter-change and a line-break are neccessary
at the same bar-break.
As you can see, the volta-number "2." can be
found at the end of line 1, where the meter-change
is (of course correctly) stated, instead of the
beginning of line 2, where the first bar of Volta 2
starts.
In my interpretation this is not the intended behaviour,
or am I wrong in that? If I'm right, is there a bug-fix or
a work-around for that situation?

Thanks for your great job for musictex and your help!

Greetings

Simon
PS: I also attached the M-Tx-made pmx-file cause
I assume it could be helpful.

PPS: I already tried to send this mail two weeks ago,
but did not receive it myself, although my
account-settings say, I'm supposed to.
It also doesn't appear on
https://www.mail-archive.com/tex-music@tug.org/
So I assume, something did go wrong.
I hope, you did not receive this former mail,
and apologize in the case, you did, for the
double mailing.



Volta.mtx:


Title: Volta
Style: Singer
Sharps: -1
Meter: 6/8
Pages: 1
Systems: 2

%%\input musixcrd
%%\def\crddefaultheight{14}
%%\special{papersize=210mm,297mm}
%%\hoffset -1in\advance\hoffset 30mm
%%\voffset -1in\advance\voffset 20mm

%%w150m
%%h270m
V1 \c Dm \ c8 d e f g b |

\c Am \ b g f e d c :|

4/8 Vb2 \c F \ c+ f a c |

\c C \ c g+ e c |]








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[Tex-music] staff crossing beam

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

For now i can manage all staff crossing beams. I only need inline tex for bar 2 
(the \def is only valid inside the bar, no need to save \tbbu)
==
2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0
1 1 20 0


bt
.\
w6i
[ e12 b+ g+ b ]j rb8 [l+14 e1-- b+ a+ ]j r8bd  
[ e1- b+ ]j rb4 [l+20 e1- ]j r1b rb4  /
rb4 [j e84 zb+ ] rb8d [j \def\tbbu{\tbbl}\ b1- d8 zb+ ]  
rb8 [j g8 e8 zb+ ] rb1 [ju g1 b g e8 zb+ ] /


And thanks, Don for letting me make nice sheets

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2018 8:31 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Cancel meter printout at movement change.

Thanks, Andre, it does work! I can’t believe I didn’t think of that (since I 
invented the m command). 

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On 
Behalf Of Andre Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2018 9:42 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Cancel meter printout at movement change.

 

Perhaps this could work?



2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 2 20 0

I

II

bt

.\

g03 g g Rb /

g04 g g /

L2Mn11b

m4400

g03 g g /



Andre

 

From: Don Simons 

Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:51 PM

To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 

Subject: [Tex-music] Cancel meter printout at movement change.

 

Here’s a simple PMX file with a meter change:

 

==

2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 2 20 0

I

II

bt

.\

g03 g g Rb /

g04 g g /

L2Mn11b

g03 g g /

==

 

Can someone tell me how to get MusiXTeX to skip writing the meter at the 
movement break?

 

--Don




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Re: [Tex-music] Cancel meter printout at movement change.

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Perhaps this could work?

2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 2 20 0

I

II

bt

.\

g03 g g Rb /

g04 g g /

L2Mn11b

m4400

g03 g g /


Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 8:51 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Cancel meter printout at movement change.

Here’s a simple PMX file with a meter change:

 

==

2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 2 20 0

I

II

bt

.\

g03 g g Rb /

g04 g g /

L2Mn11b

g03 g g /

==

 

Can someone tell me how to get MusiXTeX to skip writing the meter at the 
movement break?

 

--Don




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[Tex-music] trio with "d" option

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear Don, 

I am sorry to bother you again, but i encountered this problem:
The 3th note of the trio with flags sometimes does not appear (as in the song i 
was typing). In this test file here it comes as an 8th note in stead of a 16th, 
and with a wrong hight.

===
2 2 2 4 2 4 0 0
1 1 20 0


bt
.\
w5i
b42ax3 gd b b42x3 gd b /
b44ax3 gd b b44x3 gd b /
=

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[Tex-music] more staff crossing beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi all,

I know, we already discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved?
In each bar in the example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should be 
an 8th. It happen only in the 1st bar.

Andre
===
2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0
1 1 20 0


bt
.\
Abpe
w5i
[l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j  rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 /
rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] | rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb |  rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb //
r4d r4d r4d /
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Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi Don,

I did some in-line-TeX, but i am not proud of it, it was done by trial and 
error.

Andre
==
---
%line 3708 in musixtex 2017-11-15
%\def\C@nb#1#2#3#4{%
%  \global#1\b@z
%  \ifnum\b@n<\z@ \global\advance\b@n\m@ne \global\advance#1-#3\interbeam \fi
%  \ifnum\b@n>\z@ \global\advance\b@n\@ne \C@ba#1#3\fi
% {\advance\locx@skip#4\getcurpos \global#2\y@v
%  \advance\y@v-\b@x \comp@slope\y@v \global\advance#1\s@lope}}

%changed:
\input musixtex
\makeatletter
\def\C@nb#1#2#3#4{% see line 3708 in musixtex 2017-11-15
  \global#10.99\b@z %<-
  \ifnum\b@n<\z@ \global\advance\b@n\@ne  \global\advance#1-#3\interbeam 
  \global\advance#1-#3\interbeam %<
  \global\advance#1-#3\interbeam %<
\global\advance#10.99pt %<
  \fi
  \ifnum\b@n>\z@ \global\advance\b@n\@ne \C@ba#1#3 \fi 
{\advance\locx@skip#4\getcurpos \global#2\y@v 
  \advance\y@v\b@x \comp@slope\y@v \global\advance#1\s@lope}}
\makeatother
---
2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0
1 1 20 0


bt
.\
w3i
\\let\mynbb\nbb\
[u+1  c83 e  g1 a b8 ]j rb2 /
rb2 [j c84 e g1 b c8 ] /
==
From: Don Simons 
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 1:21 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

Just as an example of how complicated this general problem can get, can anyone 
(Andre?) figure out any way at all (even using inline TeX) to get the doubled 
beam in the second part of this to come out above the main beam rather than 
below?

 

==

2 2 4 4 4 4 0 0

1 1 20 0

 

 

bt

.\

w3i

[u c83 e g1 a b8 ]j rb2 /

rb2 [j c84 e g1 b c8 ] /

==

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 11:43 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Ok Don,

 

Thanks

 

Andre

 

From: Don Simons 

Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 7:41 AM

To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 

Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Andre, I haven’t forgotten about this; in fact I’ve spent some time trying to 
work out the coding. But I’m about ready to give up on trying to get PMX to do 
the right stuff on the staff-jumper with 3 sixteenths down and 1 sixteenth + 1 
eighth up. I’ve gotten part way there but I’m very worried that things I do 
would mess up other combinations … when you start changing the multiplicity AND 
the direction of the jump AND the exact location of the multiplicity change 
relative to the jump AND the number of jumps AND the number of multiplicity 
changes, there are so many possibilities I’d have a hard time sorting them all 
out and then testing them all. So I’m afraid for now you’ll just have to work 
out some inline TeX to replace the bad TeX commands with the right ones.

 

--Don

 

From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 12:48 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: RE: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Andre, I think you know PMX better than I do! So it looks like all I have to do 
to fix the first problem is to get PMX to enter \tbbu1 rather than \rbbu2 
before the last note of the first staff-jumper, and rely on the user to start 
it with [l+14 .

I still haven’t sorted out the other problem.

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Thanks Don,

 

using  [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 / changes the order of the beams

 

Andre

 

From: Don Simons 

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:09 PM

To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 

Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Very challenging. Even if I were to fix PMX to generate the “proper” code, 
there’s a basic problem with the order of the multiple beams. Here’s a related 
example that does go through, but obviously you’d prefer to have the lower beam 
continue and the upper one stop at the last 1/16 note. I haven’t tried to work 
out the TeX code for that but I suspect it’ll be very tricky.

 

--Don



==

2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0

1 1 20 0

 

 

bt

.\

Abpe

w5i

[u g1- cs ]j rb4 /

rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] //

r4d /

=

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:57 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Dear Don, dear all

 

I still have a problem with staff crossing beams.

 

In the 1st bar: [ju g1+ g8 zb ]  does not show an 8th note for the ‘g8’ but a 
16th.

the 2nd bar seems  ok if i remove the’g8’,

but if i want a beam for [ e+ sf b s ]  and then it goes wrong, see 3rd bar.

 

Thanks for helping

Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Ok Don,

Thanks

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 7:41 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

Andre, I haven’t forgotten about this; in fact I’ve spent some time trying to 
work out the coding. But I’m about ready to give up on trying to get PMX to do 
the right stuff on the staff-jumper with 3 sixteenths down and 1 sixteenth + 1 
eighth up. I’ve gotten part way there but I’m very worried that things I do 
would mess up other combinations … when you start changing the multiplicity AND 
the direction of the jump AND the exact location of the multiplicity change 
relative to the jump AND the number of jumps AND the number of multiplicity 
changes, there are so many possibilities I’d have a hard time sorting them all 
out and then testing them all. So I’m afraid for now you’ll just have to work 
out some inline TeX to replace the bad TeX commands with the right ones.

 

--Don

 

From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 12:48 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: RE: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Andre, I think you know PMX better than I do! So it looks like all I have to do 
to fix the first problem is to get PMX to enter \tbbu1 rather than \rbbu2 
before the last note of the first staff-jumper, and rely on the user to start 
it with [l+14 .

I still haven’t sorted out the other problem.

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 10:45 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Thanks Don,

 

using  [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 / changes the order of the beams

 

Andre

 

From: Don Simons 

Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:09 PM

To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 

Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Very challenging. Even if I were to fix PMX to generate the “proper” code, 
there’s a basic problem with the order of the multiple beams. Here’s a related 
example that does go through, but obviously you’d prefer to have the lower beam 
continue and the upper one stop at the last 1/16 note. I haven’t tried to work 
out the TeX code for that but I suspect it’ll be very tricky.

 

--Don



==

2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0

1 1 20 0

 

 

bt

.\

Abpe

w5i

[u g1- cs ]j rb4 /

rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] //

r4d /

=

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:57 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Dear Don, dear all

 

I still have a problem with staff crossing beams.

 

In the 1st bar: [ju g1+ g8 zb ]  does not show an 8th note for the ‘g8’ but a 
16th.

the 2nd bar seems  ok if i remove the’g8’,

but if i want a beam for [ e+ sf b s ]  and then it goes wrong, see 3rd bar.

 

Thanks for helping

 

Andre

 

=

3 2 6 8 6 8 0 0

1 2 20 0

 

 

btt

.\

Abpe

w5i

[u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2  /

rb8 rb1 [ju g1+ g8 zb ] rb rb4 //

r4d a1s b d zb  g+ zb-  f8+ zb- /

b8 fa ga e+ sf b s  .cas /

%

[u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2  [u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2 /

rb8 rb1 [ju g t ] g2 t zb  rb8 rb1 [ju g t ] g2 t zb //

r4d a1s b tl d zb t tl g+ zb- t tl f8+ zb- t  r4d f1 g tl b zg t tl e+ zg- t tl 
d8+ zg- t /

b8 fa ga e+ sf b s  .cas | b8 fa ga [ e+ sf b s ]  .cas /

%

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Re: [Tex-music] Varying the vertical inter-system space globally

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This is an example for 2 pieces on 1 page, using inline tex:

- a macro \Song#1#2#3 is defined (hight of title, title, componist) 
- i only use Ae when de music does not fit on 1 page
- i use AI.8 to get de systems more narrow
- L4M+16 for define a space between the 2 pieces

===
---
\input musixtex
\makeatletter
\def\Song#1#2#3{%
\zcharnote{10}{%
\getcurpos\kern-\y@v\kern-\sign@skip\kern-\clef@skip\hskip-1\parindent
\raise #1\internote\hbox to \hsize{\hss {\bigfont #2}\hss #3}}}%
\makeatother
---
2
2
6
4
6
4
1
+1

1
5
20
0


tt
./

Tc
Clement Cotterill Scholefield, 1874
Tt
Der Tag, mein Gott, ist nun vergangen\\
%Ac4e
Ki1+14+1
AI.8
\\nobarnumbers\

% Bar 1
d43 | g22 g43 d23 d4 /
d44 D"c.f." | ( b44 c4 ) b4 ( d4 b4 ) a4 /

% Bar 2
e43 a42 c4 d4 d4 oc e4 /
( g44 a4 ) e44 g4 f4 oc e4 /

% Bar 3
f43 g4 f4 e2 e4 /
d24 d4 ( g4 a4 ) b4 /

% Bar 4
a22 a4 d23 oc f4 /
a24 g4 f2 oc d4 /

% Bar 5
g23 g4 d2 d4 /
( b44 c4 ) b4 ( d4 b4 ) a4 /

% Bar 6
e43 a42 c4 d4 d4 oc c4 /
( g44 a4 ) e44 g4 f4 oc e4 /

% Bar 7
b22 d4 e4 b42 c4 /
( d44 e4 ) f4 ( g4 b4 ) a4 /

% Ending bar
m5400
c43 a4 d4 g22 /
( e44 g4 ) f4 g2 /

L4M+16
%K+0+2
m6464
\\\def\titel{Laat liederen horen}\def\music{Canon}\
%\\\advance\barno by -1\
%\\\staffbotmarg4\Interligne\stafftopmarg7\Interligne\
%\\\stemlength4\


% Bar 2
e43 a42 c4 d4 d4 oc e4 /
\Song{8}{\titel}{\lower2\Interligne\llap{CANON}}\
( g44 a4 ) e44 g4 f4 oc e4 /

% Bar 3
f43 g4 f4 e2 e4 /
d24 d4 ( g4 a4 ) b4 /

% Bar 4
a22 a4 d23 oc f4 /
a24 g4 f2 oc d4 /

% Bar 5
g23 g4 d2 d4 /
( b44 c4 ) b4 ( d4 b4 ) a4 /

% Bar 6
e43 a42 c4 d4 d4 oc c4 /
( g44 a4 ) e44 g4 f4 oc e4 /
==

Andre

From: "Matthias Holländer" 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 1:31 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org 
Subject: [Tex-music] Varying the vertical inter-system space globally

Dear all!
 
When using the Ae option for making vertical inter-sytem space equal between 
all systems in PMX, is there a possibility to scale this vertical space still 
globally? I wanted to get two pieces of music on the same A4 page and therefore 
wanted to reduce the space, determined by Ae, a bit. I could not find any 
documentation on this, and tried guessing undocumented commands like simply 
appending a factor to e, with whom the space should be multiplied. I ended up 
using the inline TeX command \sread{-4pt}\ (-4 suited in my special case) in 
front of every first bar in a line.
This is no really satisfying solution, since
a) it can potentially be a lot of \spread commands instead of one single global 
option,
b) you have to change it every time the amount of bars in one of the lines 
before has changed (which is more or less okay, when already working with the 
layout, but the error message, telling you that the number of bars in a former 
line has changed is very unspecific: It says only the TeX memory pool is 
exceeded or something like this) and
c) the lyrics placed in the inter-system space are not vertically centered 
after this any more (this can probably be fixed with the MusiXlyr command 
\setlyrstrut again, but this is how you collect your extra work). So actually I 
hope that there is a solution which manipulates the inter-system space before 
musixlyr computes the vertical position of the lyrics.

In case an MWE is helpful here, treat the following code as an .pmx document 
(it is my subsequent tiny work with PMX after my wish of globally varying 
inter-system space, and again I perceive the inter-system space too big):

2
2
6
4
6
4
1
+1

0
3
20
0


tt
./

Tc
Clement Cotterill Scholefield, 1874
Tt
Der Tag, mein Gott, ist nun vergangen\\
Ac4e
Ki1+14+1
\\nobarnumbers\

% Bar 1
d43 | g22 g43 d23 d4 /
d44 D"c.f." | ( b44 c4 ) b4 ( d4 b4 ) a4 /

% Bar 2
e43 a42 c4 d4 d4 oc e4 /
( g44 a4 ) e44 g4 f4 oc e4 /

% Bar 3
f43 g4 f4 e2 e4 /
d24 d4 ( g4 a4 ) b4 /

% Bar 4
a22 a4 d23 oc f4 /
a24 g4 f2 oc d4 /

% Bar 5
g23 g4 d2 d4 /
( b44 c4 ) b4 ( d4 b4 ) a4 /

% Bar 6
e43 a42 c4 d4 d4 oc c4 /
( g44 a4 ) e44 g4 f4 oc e4 /

% Bar 7
b22 d4 e4 b42 c4 /
( d44 e4 ) f4 ( g4 b4 ) a4 /

% Ending bar
m5400
c43 a4 d4 g22 /
( e44 g4 ) f4 g2 /


Hoping there is a better solution than my "workaround",
best,
Matthias

PS: Actually, there arouse a few more questions to me, when working with this 
MWE-document. If I dare, I will ask them subsequently. But at least one, I 
fear, might turn out to be not worth to get an own mailing conversation. Do you 
prefer to have topics strictly seperated in their own mailing conversations, 
for the sake of documentation in the mailing archive, or rather be bothered 
only once and possibly answer a few questions in one go?



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Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thanks Don,

using  [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 / changes the order of the beams

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:09 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

Very challenging. Even if I were to fix PMX to generate the “proper” code, 
there’s a basic problem with the order of the multiple beams. Here’s a related 
example that does go through, but obviously you’d prefer to have the lower beam 
continue and the upper one stop at the last 1/16 note. I haven’t tried to work 
out the TeX code for that but I suspect it’ll be very tricky.

 

--Don



==

2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0

1 1 20 0

 


bt

.\

Abpe

w5i

[u g1- cs ]j rb4 /

rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] //

r4d /

=

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 6:57 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] staff crossing beams

 

Dear Don, dear all

 

I still have a problem with staff crossing beams.

 

In the 1st bar: [ju g1+ g8 zb ]  does not show an 8th note for the ‘g8’ but a 
16th.

the 2nd bar seems  ok if i remove the’g8’,

but if i want a beam for [ e+ sf b s ]  and then it goes wrong, see 3rd bar.

 

Thanks for helping

 

Andre

 

=

3 2 6 8 6 8 0 0

1 2 20 0

 

 

btt

.\

Abpe

w5i

[u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2  /

rb8 rb1 [ju g1+ g8 zb ] rb rb4 //

r4d a1s b d zb  g+ zb-  f8+ zb- /

b8 fa ga e+ sf b s  .cas /

%

[u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2  [u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2 /

rb8 rb1 [ju g t ] g2 t zb  rb8 rb1 [ju g t ] g2 t zb //

r4d a1s b tl d zb t tl g+ zb- t tl f8+ zb- t  r4d f1 g tl b zg t tl e+ zg- t tl 
d8+ zg- t /

b8 fa ga e+ sf b s  .cas | b8 fa ga [ e+ sf b s ]  .cas /

%

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[Tex-music] staff crossing beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear Don, dear all
I still have a problem with staff crossing beams.
In the 1st bar: [ju g1+ g8 zb ]  does not show an 8th note for the ‘g8’ but a 
16th.
the 2nd bar seems  ok if i remove the’g8’,
but if i want a beam for [ e+ sf b s ]  and then it goes wrong, see 3rd bar.
Thanks for helping
Andre
=
3 2 6 8 6 8 0 0
1 2 20 0


btt
.\
Abpe
w5i
[u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2  /
rb8 rb1 [ju g1+ g8 zb ] rb rb4 //
r4d a1s b d zb  g+ zb-  f8+ zb- /
b8 fa ga e+ sf b s  .cas /
%
[u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2  [u g1- cs d ]j rb rb2 /
rb8 rb1 [ju g t ] g2 t zb  rb8 rb1 [ju g t ] g2 t zb //
r4d a1s b tl d zb t tl g+ zb- t tl f8+ zb- t  r4d f1 g tl b zg t tl e+ zg- t tl 
d8+ zg- t /
b8 fa ga e+ sf b s  .cas | b8 fa ga [ e+ sf b s ]  .cas /
%
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Re: [Tex-music] Upcoming PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Perhaps, the ‘b4’ in  r4Fx3nf+3 b4 c4 / should be more to the right.

This could also be an solution for the rare cases:

r4+2Dx6n r+5D r-2 b4 c4 /

Andre



From: Don Simons 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 8:03 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Upcoming PMX

I’d like to point out that the notes in the F-tuplet I discussed earlier could 
be typeset without using the F-option at all, but with a horizontal shift 
instead. Then if you wanted to raise the rest you could use the standard 
command.

 

--Don

 



--

2 1 2 4 2 4 0 0

0 3 20 0

 

bt

.\

AbeK

w6i

g43x3n-1 f g  a /

r4Fx3nf+3 b4 c4 /

g43x3n-1 f g  a /

rd8 X:-1 b14 X: c4 /

g43x3n-1 f g  a /

rd8+4 X:-1 b14 X: c4 /

--

 

 

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Don Simons
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:09 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Upcoming PMX

 

I’m very close to releasing a new version of PMX reflecting various fixes 
requested by Andre and Christian over the last several weeks. Before 
finalizing, I’d like some opinions about how far to go with one of them. 
Christian has used some constructions like r4Fx3 b. With notes, this gives a 
dotted eighth followed by a sixteenth, horizontally spaced as if they were the 
first and third notes in a triplet. (It’s a very, very rare notation used by 
Bach, and no one else I know of). Christian pointed out that when starting with 
a rest, for consistency the rest should be dotted. I’ve worked out a way to get 
PMX to do that. The problem is that my band-aid coding is guaranteed to fail if 
you try to raise or lower the (now dotted) rest from the default, midstaff 
position. The problem occurs either if you try to raise it manually, or if PMX 
tries to do it internally as a result of the global AK option for keyboard rest 
positioning in 2-voice staves. 

 

The question is whether I should expend the considerable additional programming 
effort needed to make this extremely rare construction work in the doubly rare 
case where the dotted rest would need to be raised or lowered.

 

--Don

 






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Re: [Tex-music] Status (was RE: New PMX beta)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This is a more specific working example, taken from my music sheet. As you can 
see, the trios are needed to sync on the other voices.

if using:
f4x3n r r  : The first note is a quarter instead of an eight (cannot ask for 
beams, i guess this is normal )
f4ax3n r r  : all is ok 
f4ax3 r r  : error dimension is to large
f82a  r  : i replaced the trio with 2 eights (temporary solution)

Until now, all my test are ok if forcing a not beamed tuplet

Andre


==
32   2 4 2 4  0 2
1 1 16  .02


btt
./
w150
f82a  r  f4ax3n r r  /
%f82a  r  r4  /
[l+1 d45x3n  c- d ] cx3n d c /
d4 r /

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 12:58 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Status (was RE: New PMX beta)

I’ve whiled a few hours but have more to go. Andre’s problem is a special case 
of a more general one that occurs when an xtuplet has only one note that is not 
a rest. I do have an idea about an approach to fixing it. But I also wonder 
whether there has ever been any other example in all of Western music, besides 
Andre’s, of an xtuplet with just one note and all the other members rests.

 

The deeper I dig into my ancient coding the more complicated it gets. When 
constructing xtuplets and positioning the number, there is a huge number of 
features that must be accounted for. Because of that, I’m nervous about the 
possibility of breaking something that already works. As a test, I’ve checked 
many (all?) possible 4-tuplets with two rests. With my working version of the 
code my test file runs fine and positions the number acceptably in all cases. I 
must have already fixed something, because the 4-tuplet test file did not run 
with the most recent version pmx282.

 

For triplets with two rests, stay tuned.  

 

--Don

 

From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2017 8:40 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: RE: [Tex-music] New PMX beta

 

Thanks Andre for the bug report. Since I can’t play ping pong over the weekend 
due to a strained muscle, this will give me something to while away the hours J.

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 11:17 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] New PMX beta

 

Thanks Don, i am very happy with this feature

 

Here i have an example that sometimes fails to run, ie when removing the ‘nf’



1 1 4 4 4 4  0 0 1 1 20 0

 

t

./

w160

f45a-x3nf za+ zd- r r  r r r /

==

 

Andre

From: Don Simons 

Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 1:57 AM

To: tex-music@tug.org 

Subject: [Tex-music] New PMX beta

 

There’s a new beta distribution of PMX version 2.82 on WIMA, at 

 

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx282PRE.zip

 

The only new feature here is allowing xtuplets to end with a rest. It had been 
sitting around waiting for an excuse to go public, and that excuse came out of 
the blue when Christian specifically asked about that very feature.

 

--Don




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Re: [Tex-music] New PMX beta

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thanks Don, i am very happy with this feature

Here i have an example that sometimes fails to run, ie when removing the ‘nf’

1 1 4 4 4 4  0 0 1 1 20 0

t
./
w160
f45a-x3nf za+ zd- r r  r r r /
==

Andre
From: Don Simons 
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 1:57 AM
To: tex-music@tug.org 
Subject: [Tex-music] New PMX beta

There’s a new beta distribution of PMX version 2.82 on WIMA, at 

 

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx282PRE.zip

 

The only new feature here is allowing xtuplets to end with a rest. It had been 
sitting around waiting for an excuse to go public, and that excuse came out of 
the blue when Christian specifically asked about that very feature.

 

--Don




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Re: [Tex-music] End of piece

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi Rodolfo

I don't manage to do it. I once asked it to Daniel Taupin and get the short 
answer: no.


Musixtex must be restarted from disk for this to happen.

I can think of 2 examples where this is needed:
1. You want to put 2 pieces on 1 page
2. You want to make a booklet with music pieces (1 or more pieces on a page)

1. 2 pieces on 1 page in pmx
Here i use a macro i got from Werner Icking:
=
\makeatletter
\newtoks\toks@i
\newtoks\toks@ii
\def\Song#1#2#3{%
\toks@i{#2}\toks@ii{#3}%
\message{\the\toks@i}\zcharnote{10}{%
\getcurpos\kern-\y@v\kern-\sign@skip\kern-\clef@skip
\raise #1\internote\hbox to \hsize{\hss {\ft #2}\hss #3}}}%
\makeatother
==
With this macro i can put a new title after the first song.
Therefore i need a new movement, perhaps new keys and meter, new title and 
so on..
Then i redefine the parameters that are needed and finaly the  macro (in 
this example the title and the composer a little bit lower):


\Song{10}{\hss\hss\titel}{\lower2\Interligne\hbox{\music}}\

===
L4M+6r+n11t
K+0+1
m2844
\\\def\titel{Die winter is vergangen}\def\music{Carla Hohnstamm}\
%\\\advance\barno by -1\
\\\assignlyrics1{bei1,bei2,bei3}\
\\\staffbotmarg8\Interligne\stafftopmarg3\Interligne\
\\\stemlength4\
\setsongraise1{2.5\Interligne}\
\Song{10}{\hss\hss\titel}{\lower2\Interligne\hbox{\music}}\
==

2. Booklet

I don't know which parameters are to be reset, so i made a file with as my 
as possible parameters (if needed i add parameters to the file)

This file 'initsong.tex' i is added in this mail.
I make a tex file of the song with pmx and then i make a list.tex. I must 
prevent musixtex from stopping after the first song, this are the lines at 
start and end.


=
\let\byebye\bye\let\bye\relax \startmuflex\let\startmuflex\empty%
\let\endmuflexsav\endmuflex\let\endmuflex\endinput%

\input file1\input initsong
\input file2\input initsong
.
\end%
\endmuflexsav%
\byebye%
===

With this method i made a book of more than 200 songs, you can see an 
example here (the TOC is dutch):


http://www.avrmar.be/avr/ALLRDCLIEDEREN.pdf

If you like this method, i made a text with full explanation (little bit 
messy, but with an example added) that i may post to the list.


Andre

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From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:20 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] End of piece
\let\byebye\bye\let\bye\relax \startmuflex\let\startmuflex\empty%
\let\endmuflexsav\endmuflex\let\endmuflex\endinput%

Hi all,

MusiXTeX friends.  In MusiXTeX code: suppose I have two pieces in one tex 
file,
one after another, both ending with \Endpiece.  All parameters set in the 
first

piece, such as \bigaccid, \setstaffs, \setclef, \relativeaccid, \raiseped,
\raisevolta, \generalsignature, \generalmeter, \interstaff, etc, continue to
the second piece at the values they had in the first one.  Is there any way 
to
close the first piece so that all those parameters get back to their 
defaults

values?  So to start the second piece with defaults values?

Thanks for any help,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] system split vertically (see attacjment)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This one i picked up from the list, Olivier Vogel made it
Andre

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From: Dieter

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:20 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] system split vertically (see attacjment)

Hi,

How could one achieve an effect like in the attachment starting with a
pmx source?

Thanks and regards,
Dieter






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Re: [Tex-music] staff jumpng hairpin

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Yes,
Thank you very much, Don
Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2017 8:02 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] staff jumpng hairpin

I think you need to activate postscript slurs … insert the command Ap .

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:51 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] staff jumpng hairpin

 

Hi all,

 

I can no more produce hairpins when they are crossing staves. I use pmx 2.83 
and musixtex 1.25.

I wonder if i am the only one with this problem. 

 

If this example is put in 1 line, then the hairpin is there. (replace ‘1  2   
16  .08’ by ‘1  1   16  .08’)

 

==

1 1  2 4 2 4  0 0

1  2   16  .08

 

t

./

g84 ga f D>+16 fa | e4 e8 D>+16 ba /

=

 

Perhaps something is corrupted in my musixtex, but all the rest compile ok.

 

Thanks for helping

Andre

 




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[Tex-music] staff jumpng hairpin

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi all,
I can no more produce hairpins when they are crossing staves. I use pmx 2.83 
and musixtex 1.25.
I wonder if i am the only one with this problem. 
If this example is put in 1 line, then the hairpin is there. (replace ‘1  2   
16  .08’ by ‘1  1   16  .08’)
==
1 1  2 4 2 4  0 0
1  2   16  .08

t
./
g84 ga f D>+16 fa | e4 e8 D>+16 ba /
=

Perhaps something is corrupted in my musixtex, but all the rest compile ok.

Thanks for helping
Andre
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Re: [Tex-music] more littke things

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thank you very much Don, your explanation is very helpfull, i was able to solve 
my beam jumping problem, i used this lines:

[u d83.f bd ]j r1 /
r4 rb8d [ju \raise8pt\hbox{\tbbl1}\ c1 ] /

I do not understand why i have to raise the short beam, here is is not needed 
on your 1st bar:

[ g83 g ]j rb4 /
rb4 [j \tbbl1\ g14 ] g g g /
[+10 g83 g ]j rb4 /
rb4 [j \tbbl1\ g14 ] g g g /

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 8:53 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] more littke things

Hi, Andre—

 

Regarding changing a beam’s multiplicity where it jumps staves: Thanks for 
pointing this out…I had never even thought of it. Unlike the issue with dots, I 
don’t think this one can be fixed with PMX commands alone. As you probably 
realized, it can be fixed with in-line TeX; below are examples for up-going and 
down-going increases and decreases in multiplicity. 

 

There’s a better chance for this than for the dots that I might someday figure 
out how to get PMX to do this automagically. But it will be tricky to take 
proper account of all the necessary factors: up- or down-ness of the beam 
(especially if there are user-defined changes), increase or decrease in 
multiplicity (calling for different locations for the extra TeX command), and 
to get the beam ID number right (It has to be the one where the beam STARTED, 
and getting the number is a little tricky if there are two voices---which there 
often are when you have staff-jumping beams).

 

BTW I checked to see if multiplicity changes are handled OK within PMX in 
staff-jumping beams but not right at the jump, and they are.

 

--Don

 



 



2 2 2 4 2 4 0 -3 1 1 20 0

 

 

bt

.\

Abp

% Up - increase

[ g83 g ]j rb4 /

rb4 [j \nbbl1\ g14 g g g ] /

% Down - increase

rb4 [j \nbbu2\ g13 g g g ] /

[ g84 g ]j rb4 /

% Up - decrease

[ g13 g g \tbbl1\ g ]j rb4 /

rb4 [j g84 g ] /

% Down - decrease

rb4 [j g83 g ] /

[ g14 g g \tbbu2\ g ]j rb4 /

==

 

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:22 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] more littke things

 

Hi Don,

 

These are 2 more small things, perhaps not worth the effort to look at it.

 

- In the 1st bar, i don’t manage to get a single beam (m1) for the last beamed 
note.

 

- L2:  

shifted notes and shifted dots:  it is difficult to predict which dot to shift.

 

Andre

 

 

===

2 2 6 8 6 8  0 0 1 2 20 0

 

 

bt

./

Apb

[ g1 cs d ]j rb rb2 /

rb8d [ju g+d ] t g4d t /

[ g1- cs d ] rb rb2 /

rb8d gd t g4d t /

L2

e23d D"\smalltype 2st and 2nd shift swapped"+22-3 zdd+0+1 zg-d+0+1 

e23ud D"\smalltype 2st and 2nd shift swapped"+20-3 zdd+0+1 zg-d+0+1 

e22d D"\smalltype 2st and 2nd shift swapped"+22-3 zdd+0+1 zg-d+0+1 

e22ld D"OK"+28 zdd+0+1 zg-d 

e24d D"OK" zdd+0+1 zg-d /

rp rp rp rp rp /

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[Tex-music] more littke things

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi Don,
These are 2 more small things, perhaps not worth the effort to look at it.
- In the 1st bar, i don’t manage to get a single beam (m1) for the last beamed 
note.
- L2:  shifted notes and shifted dots:  it is difficult to predict which dot to 
shift.
Andre
===
2 2 6 8 6 8  0 0 1 2 20 0


bt
./
Apb
[ g1 cs d ]j rb rb2 /
rb8d [ju g+d ] t g4d t /
[ g1- cs d ] rb rb2 /
rb8d gd t g4d t /
L2
e23d D"\smalltype 2st and 2nd shift swapped"+22-3 zdd+0+1 zg-d+0+1 
e23ud D"\smalltype 2st and 2nd shift swapped"+20-3 zdd+0+1 zg-d+0+1 
e22d D"\smalltype 2st and 2nd shift swapped"+22-3 zdd+0+1 zg-d+0+1 
e22ld D"OK"+28 zdd+0+1 zg-d 
e24d D"OK" zdd+0+1 zg-d /
rp rp rp rp rp /
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Re: [Tex-music] little things

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thank you Don, for giving all this information.
I knew that no 4. was something i overlooked, but i did not found how to 
solve. I never thought it was that simple.


Andre
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 8:17 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] little things

It's been interesting and a little frustrating looking into the 4 "features"
Andre identified. Most of the frustration is from a combination of my fading
memory and insufficient commenting in the PMX code, making it very difficult
to reconstruct PMX's internal logic. But here's where I stand on the 4
issues:

1. It's true that midi-only accidentals on chord notes can cause unneeded
space. But in this case the midi-only accidentals are unnecessary; PMX does
enforce "inherited" accidentals from earlier in the bar. So the solution
here is to remove the midi-only accidentals. At the moment I don't plan any
code changes.

2. The 'Cb' was entered in voice 1, while the sixteenths that cause the
crowding are in voice 2. Long ago I decided never to automagically add any
extra space in one voice due to crashes with anything in the other
voice...the coding is just too complicated. The solution here is either to
manually enter the space as Andre did, or to enter the 16ths in voice 1
(with forced up-beams) and put the dotted quarters in voice 2 (with forced
down-stems).

3. In bar 9, PMX uses \lpz and \lst, because dots and tenutos on upstemmed
notes by default go below the note. But to avoid crashes with staff or
ledger lines, these commands will not allow ornaments at certain heights
within or above the staff. Some day I may introduce some PMX logic to get
around this restriction in cases like this, but for now I suggest simply
using inline TeX to emplace the dot with \upz, or the tenuto with \lst, or
both (and as always with inline TeX, use numerical arguments for the
pitches).

4. Doesn't "f4x3d f f" do what you want?

--Don


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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:29 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] little things

Sorry to be here again, people will think i am searching for odds but this

is not

true, I simply type a lot of songs.
The example shows little odds that can be corrected, but perhaps there are
people who want to know.

1. In the first bar, the hidden accidentals reserve space. This is

corrected in

the second bar by using 'zcf<0 '
In bar 3 and 4  it does not work because  'af<0i' gives an error.

2. In line 2 i have to make room for a 'Cb'. To see what i ment, remove

'X2 XS-

2'

3. in bar 8 the dot and undercore have a good distance. In bar 9 i cannot

bring

them closer to each other.

4. Triplet with dotted first note. I try to make the first trio, but there

is no

easy way to do it (here i think overlook something).

===
1 1 6 8 6 8  0 0 1 3 20 0

t
./
Apb
r8+6 a8n+ o.+5 o_ zff zefi ffi zefi zcf efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi
r8+zffi
ze /
r8+6 a8n+ o.+6 o_+1 zff zefi ffi zefi
%void space made by efi
zcf<0
efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi zffi ze /
%
r8 b8++f o> zdf- zbf [l-1 b4+fix3nf-2 zdfi- zbfi afi zdf za+fi ffi zdfi
zff- ] r
%cannot use 'af<0i'
r8 b8+f o> zdf- zbf [l-1 b4+fix3nf-2 zdfi- zbfi af<0 zdf<0 za+f<0 ff zdf<0
zff- ] r /

L2

f4+fd end Cb XS1 e2--d  XS1 bd zb+  //
f1+f af df afi dfi afi en gn cn g c
%making room for Cb
X2 XS-2 g
e1-- b+ e f g b d b a b a f  b- d f a b d f d b d b a /
L3
a4n o.+9 o_+10 ff o.+10 o_+12 d o.+12 o_+14 %cannot get the dot close to
the tenuto, as in 1st bar
cf+ o.+9 o_+11 a o.+10 o_+12 ffi o.+12 o_+14 /

%try to make 'f4Fx3 f f' is made by
[m1 f4Fx4n f f ]
f4Fx4 f f
f4x3 f f
/
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Re: [Tex-music] Midi-only accidentals (was RE: little things)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

The midi-only accidentals indeed are not needed, i suppose, long ago i was 
not sure
de accidentals were remembered within a bar, and until now i put them 
explicitely.


If i had read the pmx manual torough, I never had came to this 'feature'.

Andre


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Midi-only accidentals (was RE: little things)

Andre Van Ryckeghem wrote

1. In the first bar, the hidden accidentals reserve space. This is

corrected in

the second bar by using 'zcf<0 '

...

===
1 1 6 8 6 8  0 0 1 3 20 0

t
./
Apb
r8+6 a8n+ o.+5 o_ zff zefi ffi zefi zcf efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi
r8+zffi
ze /
r8+6 a8n+ o.+6 o_+1 zff zefi ffi zefi
%void space made by efi
zcf<0
efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi zffi ze /

...

First let me say I'm again impressed that Andre has uncovered this "feature"
in PMX. Very "Werner-like". Not something I ever even thought about before.

I've spent some time looking into the PMX coding, with the objective of
removing gaps in the printed score caused by midi-only accidentals. This is
a real "Pandora's box." The way PMX computes the layout and spacing of
multiple accidentals on chords is VERY complex, scattered over multiple
subroutines. And it's literally been years since I originally programmed
this, so even though I know I can eventually meet the objective, it's taking
me some time to reconstruct the logic and internal notation.

But in the meantime I'd like to ask Andre exactly why he needs midi-only
accidentals in the example. I've done a few tests (on simpler combinations)
and it appears that ordinary accidentals on a main note or any chord note
are automatically applied in the MIDI to later repetitions of the same note
in the same bar, just like they would be played under normal conventions.

--Don





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Re: [Tex-music] Half a tone transposition

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Is this what you want?

\input musixtex
\relativeaccid%
\generalsignature{-3}%
\startpiece%
\Notes\qu e\qu f\qu g\qu h\qu i%
\en
\generalsignature{4}\changecontext%
\Notes
\qu e\qu f\qu g\qu h\qu i%
\en
\Endpiece
\vfill\eject\end


Andre
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From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:13 AM
To: Jean-Pierre Coulon
Cc: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Half a tone transposition

Jean-Pierre Coulon  writes:


Say \relativeaccid and note that \fl b will lower B's by half a tone "with
respect to its normal value according to the current signature"

Do you have a short example ?



Very simple:


\input musixtex

\relativeaccid%
\generalsignature{-3}%
\startpiece
\Notes
\qu e\qu f\qu g\qu h\qu i%
\en
\Endpiece

\relativeaccid%
\transpose+1%
\generalsignature{4}%
\startpiece
\Notes
\qu e\qu f\qu g\qu h\qu i%
\en
\Endpiece

\vfill\eject\end


You can read in the second piece the sequence: f, g, a, b, c, whereas it 
should
be: e, sharp f, sharp g, a, b.  Is it possible, and how, to do what I'm 
looking
for...?  I.e., transpose the piece of only half a tone up, from e flat major 
to

e major?

Thanks,

Cheers,

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] little things

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

It is curious, The first line i got back from the archive was (broken but 
still working):


r8+6 a8n+ o.+5 o_ zff zefi ffi zefi zcf efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi zffi
ze /

Andre
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:53 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] little things

Andre, you have nothing to be sorry about. All of these items are news to
me, and could be fixed by better coding inside PMX. I'll be looking into
them.

But I am curious how you got your source compiled with "r8+zffi" in the
first bar...I just removed it.

--Don


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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:29 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] little things

Sorry to be here again, people will think i am searching for odds but this

is not

true, I simply type a lot of songs.
The example shows little odds that can be corrected, but perhaps there are
people who want to know.

1. In the first bar, the hidden accidentals reserve space. This is

corrected in

the second bar by using 'zcf<0 '
In bar 3 and 4  it does not work because  'af<0i' gives an error.

2. In line 2 i have to make room for a 'Cb'. To see what i ment, remove

'X2 XS-

2'

3. in bar 8 the dot and undercore have a good distance. In bar 9 i cannot

bring

them closer to each other.

4. Triplet with dotted first note. I try to make the first trio, but there

is no

easy way to do it (here i think overlook something).

===
1 1 6 8 6 8  0 0 1 3 20 0

t
./
Apb
r8+6 a8n+ o.+5 o_ zff zefi ffi zefi zcf efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi
r8+zffi
ze /
r8+6 a8n+ o.+6 o_+1 zff zefi ffi zefi
%void space made by efi
zcf<0
efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi zffi ze /
%
r8 b8++f o> zdf- zbf [l-1 b4+fix3nf-2 zdfi- zbfi afi zdf za+fi ffi zdfi
zff- ] r
%cannot use 'af<0i'
r8 b8+f o> zdf- zbf [l-1 b4+fix3nf-2 zdfi- zbfi af<0 zdf<0 za+f<0 ff zdf<0
zff- ] r /

L2

f4+fd end Cb XS1 e2--d  XS1 bd zb+  //
f1+f af df afi dfi afi en gn cn g c
%making room for Cb
X2 XS-2 g
e1-- b+ e f g b d b a b a f  b- d f a b d f d b d b a /
L3
a4n o.+9 o_+10 ff o.+10 o_+12 d o.+12 o_+14 %cannot get the dot close to
the tenuto, as in 1st bar
cf+ o.+9 o_+11 a o.+10 o_+12 ffi o.+12 o_+14 /

%try to make 'f4Fx3 f f' is made by
[m1 f4Fx4n f f ]
f4Fx4 f f
f4x3 f f
/
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[Tex-music] little things

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Sorry to be here again, people will think i am searching for odds but this 
is not true, I simply type a lot of songs.
The example shows little odds that can be corrected, but perhaps there are 
people who want to know.


1. In the first bar, the hidden accidentals reserve space. This is corrected 
in the second bar by using 'zcf<0 '

In bar 3 and 4  it does not work because  'af<0i' gives an error.

2. In line 2 i have to make room for a 'Cb'. To see what i ment, remove 'X2 
XS-2'


3. in bar 8 the dot and undercore have a good distance. In bar 9 i cannot 
bring them closer to each other.


4. Triplet with dotted first note. I try to make the first trio, but there 
is no easy way to do it (here i think overlook something).


===
1 1 6 8 6 8  0 0 1 3 20 0

t
./
Apb
r8+6 a8n+ o.+5 o_ zff zefi ffi zefi zcf efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi zffi 
ze /

r8+6 a8n+ o.+6 o_+1 zff zefi ffi zefi
%void space made by efi
zcf<0
efi zcfi zaf cfi zafi zff afi zffi ze /
%
r8 b8++f o> zdf- zbf [l-1 b4+fix3nf-2 zdfi- zbfi afi zdf za+fi ffi zdfi 
zff- ] r

%cannot use 'af<0i'
r8 b8+f o> zdf- zbf [l-1 b4+fix3nf-2 zdfi- zbfi af<0 zdf<0 za+f<0 ff zdf<0 
zff- ] r /


L2

f4+fd end Cb XS1 e2--d  XS1 bd zb+  //
f1+f af df afi dfi afi en gn cn g c
%making room for Cb
X2 XS-2 g
e1-- b+ e f g b d b a b a f  b- d f a b d f d b d b a
/
L3
a4n o.+9 o_+10 ff o.+10 o_+12 d o.+12 o_+14
%cannot get the dot close to the tenuto, as in 1st bar
cf+ o.+9 o_+11 a o.+10 o_+12 ffi o.+12 o_+14 /

%try to make 'f4Fx3 f f' is made by
[m1 f4Fx4n f f ]
f4Fx4 f f
f4x3 f f
/
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[Tex-music] xtuplex with rests

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This are more tests on the tuplets.

I cannot lower the last beamed group:

r4x6n g2s gs+ b d r  runs, but is still to high
r4x6n g1s gs+ b d r  gives error

Andre

==
  32   4 8 4 8 0 -6
   1 2 20  .09


btt
./
ArbdI1.1
Apl+t



[ c82Fx3n rb rbx2nf b ] [ a8Fx3n rb rbx2 c ] //
[-1 c82x3n c+ g+ cx2n+2 b- ] [-1 a-x3n a+ e+ c+x2n+3 c- ] /
r1 [ g14 ze e+ gs- ze zd ] r [u c+ za ze e+ c za ze ] /
e4+d d1 c1a /
%
c8Fx3n rb rbx2nf b  a8Fx3n rb rbx2 c //
[-1 c8-x3n c+ g+ cx2n+2 b- ] [-1 a-x3n a+ e+ c+x2n+3 c- ] /
r1 [ g ze e+ gs- ze zd ] r [u c+ za ze e+ c za ze ] /
e4d d1 c1a /
%
L2
r4x6n a a+ cn ds r  r4x6n gs-- gs+ b d r /
rp /
rp /
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[Tex-music] rest in tuplet

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Here i have an other example where the hidden rest shows up if not beamed 
and using the 'F' option.
(the weird construction is for let the lower staf synchronize with the other 
ones)

Andre

===
  32   4 8 4 8 0 -6
   1 1 20  .09


btt
./
ArbdI1.1
Apl+t

[ c82Fx3n rb rbx2nf b ] [ a8Fx3n rb rbx2 c ] //
[-1 c82x3n c+ g+ cx2n+2 b- ] [-1 a-x3n a+ e+ c+x2n+3 c- ] /
r1 [ g14 ze e+ gs- ze zd ] r [u c+ za ze e+ c za ze ] /
e4+d d1 c1a /
%
c8Fx3n rb rbx2nf b  a8Fx3n rb rbx2 c //
[-1 c8-x3n c+ g+ cx2n+2 b- ] [-1 a-x3n a+ e+ c+x2n+3 c- ] /
r1 [ g ze e+ gs- ze zd ] r [u c+ za ze e+ c za ze ] /
e4d d1 c1a /
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Re: [Tex-music] Trills

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hi Don and all
This is a somewhat complicated example  with the song staff in mesure 4/8 and 
the accompanion in 6/8 (this is done with tuplets).
But as you can see in the middle staff, the hidden rest of the lower voice is 
not hidden at the start of a bar.
Is there a solution for this?
Andre
==
32   4 8 4 8 1 -6
1 1  16  .09


btt
./
ArbdI.9
Apl+t
r8+0  a42 o_ g  f e //
rb8  a82x3n c ds rb g-x3n ds+ f t fDx3n t e  
f-x3n as b rb e-x3n a b rb /
rb8  rb2ax4n g4 rb f  rb2ax4n e4 rb e  //
r8+0  rb4x6n rb c4 g+ c f- rb4x6n rb b- f+ b e-  
rbx6n rb a- e+ b+ ds- rbx6n rb g- e+ b+ b-   /
b84 g8 o_ .fa r d1s D<+15 ea D<+15+2  
b8+.fa D>+13 g D>+13 ga /
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[Tex-music] Trills

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I used many of the new Trills Don provided. It is a huge amelioration, but 
perhaps there are still some odds?
I added examples with trills (at the end). There are unwanted(?) black notes 
and the brackets act sometimes in the opposit way.
Also i can not use the ‘up’ or ‘low’ instructions ( [l  [u g2uxT ...).
==
114 4 4 4  0 0
1 1  16  .0

t
./ 
Apl+t
d24x3 zd+ c- zc+ b- zb+ d-x3 zd+ c-d zc+ b- zb+ /
f4 f rb rb //
b2Dx3 a b2Dx3 a   /
[l g2+xT zc ze sf e- s ] [ g2lxT sf e- s ] /
g2+uxT zc ze sf e- s  g2+lxT sf e- s /


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Re: [Tex-music] pmx - is this a bug?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Yes, thanks very much
Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 4:35 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] pmx - is this a bug?

Hi, Andre--

 

Here is what I get from my latest version, after I fixed the bug on the 2nd 
xtuplet. Is this what you expected to see?

 

P.S. One thing I notice is some possible issues with the vertical positions of 
the bracket and the number.

 

--Don

 



 

 

 

> -Original Message-

> From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre

> Van Ryckeghem

> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 6:53 AM

> To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>

> Subject: Re: [Tex-music] pmx - is this a bug?

> 

> I don't know if it is the same bug,  on the 3th trio the 2 voices make a 
> chord,

> on the 4th trio i expected the first note to see as a half note in stead of a

> quarter (a quarter is confusing in respect to the second voice).

> ===

> 114 4 4 4  0 0

> 1 1  16  .0

> 

> t

> ./

> d24x3 zd+ c- zc+ b- zb+ d-x3 zd+ c-d zc+ b- zb+ /

> f4 f rb rb //

> b2Dx3 a b2Dx3 a   /

> ===

> 

> Andre

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-

> From: Don Simons

> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 8:04 AM

> To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'

> Subject: Re: [Tex-music] pmx - is this a bug?

> 

> Thanks, Andre, this sure is a new bug! I'll get to work on it tomorrow.

> 

> --Don

> 

> > -Original Message-

> > From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre

> > Van Ryckeghem

> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 9:17 PM

> > To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>

> > Subject: [Tex-music] pmx - is this a bug?

> >

> > In the following code, the last note should be a chord of 2 notes and

> should

> > have a flag.

> >

> > ===

> > 114 4 4 4  0 0

> > 1 1  16  .0

> >

> > t

> > ./

> > d24x3 zd+ c- zc+ b- zb+ d-x3 zd+ c-d zc+ b- zb+ / =

> >

> > Andre

> >

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[Tex-music] pmx - is this a bug?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

In the following code, the last note should be a chord of 2 notes and should 
have a flag.


===
   114 4 4 4  0 0
   1 1  16  .0

t
./
d24x3 zd+ c- zc+ b- zb+ d-x3 zd+ c-d zc+ b- zb+ /
=

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Re: [Tex-music] transforming instruments

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thank you very much, Don

The name of this score is: Concertino for Vibrafone and Organ

The problem with the tie is solved by using  'tl t+0+5'   and   'tl+0-4 t'.

The componist said that the pedalboard never must have an accolade.

As a demonstration, i put the second movement here:

http://www.avrmar.be/avr/concertoii.pdf

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:00 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] transforming instruments

OK, here it is in PMX. In case you don't really want the double bar at the
end of system 2, just remove  \setdoubleBAR from the redefinition of
\setstaffs.

Two other items: First, the octave in the top voice, 3rd system looks wrong.
You didn't specify it explicitly at the start of the input block. That's
always iffy, and here it's just dangerous, in light of all the changes in
voice numbering. Better to set it explicitly.

Second, there's a problem with the tie across the movement break too.
Easiest solution is to put it in with inline TeX.

I do have a question about this whole thing. Why?? What are the instruments,
and why would anyone want to change the staves per instrument this
particular way?

--Don

=
3-2 2 1   4 4 4 4  0 0
   1 3 20  .04


bbt
./
ArbdI.8
\\nopagenumbers\
\\sepbarrules\
\\centerline{II. ARIA}\
d4- d+ d d-  e e d d /
a4 zcs zd zfs a- zcsi zd zfsi a- zcsi zd zfsi a- zcsi zd zfsi e zb zg e+ zb
zg g zd g zd /
a4l zcs zd zfs a-l zcsi zd zfsi a-l zcsi zd zfsi a-l zcsi zd zfsi
e4+ zb zg e+ zb zg e zb zg e+ zb zg  //
%rbp rb2 r4  r8  e84 tl /
rbp rb2 r4  r8  \itied10\ e84 /
%14
%\\\let\stst\setstaffs\def\setstaffs#1#2{\stoppiece\stst{#1}{#2}\let\setstaf
fs\stst}\
\\\let\stst\setstaffs\def\setstaffs#1#2{\setdoubleBAR\stoppiece\stst{#1}{#2}
\let\setstaffs\stst}\
\\\let\nmt\newmovement\def\newmovement#1#2#3{\let\newmovement\nmt}\
\\\let\alat\alaligne\def\alaligne{\contpiece\let\alaligne\alat}\
L3Mi.0cn221bbt
rp D"Senza ped." rp rp /
b4+ zg zcs- b+ zg zcs- d+ zfs- zcsc d+ zfsi- zcsi
d+ zfs- zb- d+ zfsi- zb- a+ zfsc zcs+ ze a- zfsi zcsi+ ze
g- zbf zd zfn g- zbfi zd zf  e- zgs zbn zd e- zgsi zb zd / rbp rbp rbp //
%e8 D"\ppff Solo vibr."+20-2 t fs g4x3 a b e8 c4s b8 c4s g2s f8s gs  a d4
c8sa b fs g4x3 a b /
\ttie1\ e84 D"\ppff Solo vibr."+20-2 fs g4x3 a b e8 c4s b8 c4s g2s f8s gs  a
d4 c8sa b fs g4x3 a b /
===







-Original Message-
From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Don
Simons
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 12:46 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] transforming instruments

The attached tex file mostly remedies the problem. Although I'm pretty

sure

it would be possible, I haven't yet worked out a way to do it in PMX. It

would

involve redefining various commands.

The problem stems from the order in which PMX posts the various
commands that reset the staves per instrument, relative to where it draws
the barline at the end of the 2nd system. Specifically, at the new

movement

command, first PMX posts the changes in staves per instrument. Next, it
posts \newmovement, which in this case doesn't do much at all except add
\setdoubleBAR to the definition of \stoppiece. Finally PMX posts

\alaligne,

which is just \stoppiece\contpiece. Problem is that \stoppiece is what

causes

the double bar to be drawn, and the earlier \setstaffs commands already
altered it to the form needed for system 3.

--Don

> -Original Message-
> From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
> Van Ryckeghem
> Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 8:04 AM
> To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
> Subject: [Tex-music] transforming instruments
>
> I have an example  where the lower instrument has 2 staves and the
> upper
1.
> Then, on system 3 the lower instrument must have 1 staff and the upper
> 2 staves.
> I must work with '\sepbarrules' because the left accolade and the
> barlines must correspond.
> I can manage the accolades but the end bar of the 2nd system is wrong.
>
> Can someone help me?
>
> Thanks
>
> (i searched the email archive to find the solution for the new
> movement error, but i did not found it)
>
> 
>  3-2 2 1   4 4 4 4  0 0
> 1 3 20  .04
>
>
> bbt
> ./
> ArbdI.8
> \\nopagenumbers\
> \\sepbarrules\
> \\centerline{II. ARIA}\
> d4- d+ d d-  e e d d /
> a4 zcs zd zfs a- zcsi zd zfsi a- zcsi zd zfsi a- zcsi zd zfsi e zb zg
> e+
zb zg g zd g zd /
> a4l zcs zd zfs a-l zcsi zd zfsi a-l zcsi zd zfsi a-l zcsi zd zfsi
> e4+ zb zg e+ zb zg e zb zg e+ zb zg  //
> rbp rb2 r4  r8  e84 tl /
> %14
> L3Mi.0cn221bbt
> rp D"Senza ped." rp rp /
> b4+ zg zcs- b+ zg zcs- d+ zfs- zcsc d+ zfsi- zcsi
> d+ zfs- zb- d+ zfsi- zb- a+ zfsc zc

[Tex-music] transforming instruments

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I have an example  where the lower instrument has 2 staves and the upper 1.
Then, on system 3 the lower instrument must have 1 staff and the upper 2 
staves.
I must work with '\sepbarrules' because the left accolade and the barlines 
must correspond.

I can manage the accolades but the end bar of the 2nd system is wrong.

Can someone help me?

Thanks

(i searched the email archive to find the solution for the new movement 
error, but i did not found it)



3-2 2 1   4 4 4 4  0 0
   1 3 20  .04


bbt
./
ArbdI.8
\\nopagenumbers\
\\sepbarrules\
\\centerline{II. ARIA}\
d4- d+ d d-  e e d d /
a4 zcs zd zfs a- zcsi zd zfsi a- zcsi zd zfsi a- zcsi zd zfsi
e zb zg e+ zb zg g zd g zd /
a4l zcs zd zfs a-l zcsi zd zfsi a-l zcsi zd zfsi a-l zcsi zd zfsi
e4+ zb zg e+ zb zg e zb zg e+ zb zg  //
rbp rb2 r4  r8  e84 tl /
%14
L3Mi.0cn221bbt
rp D"Senza ped." rp rp /
b4+ zg zcs- b+ zg zcs- d+ zfs- zcsc d+ zfsi- zcsi
d+ zfs- zb- d+ zfsi- zb- a+ zfsc zcs+ ze a- zfsi zcsi+ ze
g- zbf zd zfn g- zbfi zd zf  e- zgs zbn zd e- zgsi zb zd /
rbp rbp rbp //
e8 D"\ppff Solo vibr."+20-2 t fs g4x3 a b e8 c4s b8
c4s g2s f8s gs  a d4 c8sa b fs g4x3 a b /
 


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[Tex-music] cannot compile musixdoc.tex

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

When i compile 'musixdoc.tex', all the instances with '\verb' (ie '\verb|\wh 
a|') are blank in the ps output.


Somebody who can help me out?

Andre

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Re: [Tex-music] \stemlength is overridden in high notes.

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Use \stdstemfalse before each note (section 18.6 ofmusixdoc.pdf).

\input musixtex
\nostartrule
\startmuflex\startpiece\addspace\afterruleskip%
\Notes\ql j\ql l\ql n\ql q\ql s\ql t\en
\Notes\stemlength{2}\ql j\ql l\ql n\stdstemfalse\ql q\stdstemfalse\ql 
s\stdstemfalse\ql t\en\xbar

\Endpiece
\vfill\eject\endmuflex
\bye

Andre-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: coulon...@free.fr

Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] \stemlength is overridden in high notes.

\input musixtex
\nostartrule
\startextract
\Notes\ql j\ql l\ql n\ql q\ql s\ql t\en
\Notes\stemlength2\ql j\ql l\ql n\ql q\ql s\ql t\en
\zendextract
\end

\stemlength is overridden by the (useful) feature of MusiXTeX to increase
the stemlengths of very high notes. How can I work around?

Bye,
--
Jean-Pierre Coulon
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Re: [Tex-music] trio with interstaff beam puzzle

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This is the pmx file with the pdf

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 3:54 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] trio with interstaff beam puzzle

Thanks for the suggestions, Andre! You obviously spent a lot of time
compiling this. And now I won't have to worry about how to spend my time
once I retire :-).

But because of line folding in Outlook, I had some trouble processing your
file. I do have something that compiles, but it's messed up somewhere. Could
you provide a separately attached pmx file?

--Don


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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 11:17 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] trio with interstaff beam puzzle

Thanks to everyone for looking at it.

Don's solution is a handsome discovery, but had a drawback that i cannot
read the value of the 3th note in the trio (it comes on the wrong line if

in the

lower staff).

Now i humbly ask for allowing rests at the end of xtuplets. And also for
combined flags and beams in xtuplets.

Here are a few examples of what are my wishes.

Andre

===
2 1 2 4 0 6 0 0 1 3 20 0

tt
./
AT
%Method: Put an any note where the rest should come.
%(if beamed, the hight defines the slope.
%Then replace the note by the musixtex dummy note (*) %The put a normal
rest (ie. \ds) % \\\staffbotmarg6\Interligne\

\\\stafftopmarg10\Interligne\

\\interstaff{20}\ %definitions
\\let\cusav\cu\let\clsav\cl\let\ccusav\ccu\let\cclsav\ccl\
\\let\qusav\qu\let\qlsav\ql\let\qbsav\qb\
\\let\tbusav\tbu\let\tblsav\tbl\
\\let\iblsav\ibl\let\ibblsav\ibbl\let\ibusav\ibu\let\ibbusav\ibbu\
\\let\tblsav\tbl\let\tbusav\tbu\
%
%NOT BEAMED
%replace a 4th note by a dummy (*)
\\def\trioq{\def\qu##1{\let\ql\qlsav\let\qu\qusav\qu{*}}\
\\def\ql##1{\let\qu\qusav\let\ql\qlsav\ql{*}}\qp}\
% lower the rest
\\def\trioql#1{\def\qu##1{\let\ql\qlsav\let\qu\qusav\qu{*}}\
\\def\ql##1{\let\qu\qusav\let\ql\qlsav\ql{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\qp}\

%replace an 8th note by a dummy (*)
\\def\trioc{\def\cu##1{\let\cl\clsav\let\cu\cusav\cu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\cu\cusav\let\cl\clsav\cl{*}}\ds\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\triocl#1{\def\cu##1{\let\cl\clsav\let\cu\cusav\cu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\cu\cusav\let\cl\clsav\cl{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\ds\bsk}\

%replace an 16th note by a dummy (*)
\\def\triocc{\def\ccu##1{\let\cl\cclsav\let\ccu\ccusav\ccu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\ccu\ccusav\let\ccl\cclsav\ccl{*}}\qs\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\trioccl#1{\def\ccu##1{\let\cl\cclsav\let\ccu\ccusav\ccu{*}}\


\\def\cl##1{\let\ccu\ccusav\let\ccl\cclsav\ccl{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\qs\bsk

}\
%
% BEAMED
% replace an 8th beamed note by a dummy (*), then put a musixtex rest %
the \bsk adapt the lenght of the beam
\\def\triods{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\ds\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\triodsl#1{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\lower#1\Interlign
e\ds\bsk}\
% shorter beam
\\def\triodsb{\triods\bsk\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1\sk}}\
\\def\triodsbl#1{\triodsl#1\bsk\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1}}\
% replace an 16th beamed note by a dummy (*)
\\def\trioqs{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\qs\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\trioqsl#1{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\lower#1\Interlign
e\qs\bsk}\
% shorter beam
\\def\trioqsb{\trioqs\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1\sk}}\
\\def\trioqsbl#1{\triodsl#1\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1\qs}}\
%
% BEAMS and FLAG combined
% 8th note up
\\def\triobuc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cu{##2}}\bsk}\
\\def\triobubc{\bsk\let\ibu\ibusav\def\ibu##1##2##3{\sk\ibusav{##1}{##2}
{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cu{##2}}\sk}\
\\def\triobucc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccul{##2}}\bsk}\
\\def\triobubcc{\bsk\let\ibbu\ibbusav\def\ibbu##1##2##3{\sk\ibbusav{##1
}{##2}{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccu{##2}}\sk}\
% 8th note low
\\def\trioblcc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccl{##2}}\bsk}\
\\def\trioblbcc{\bsk\let\ibbl\ibblsav\def\ibbl##1##2##3{\sk\ibblsav{##1}{#
#2}{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccl{##2}}\sk}\
\\def\trioblc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cl{##2}}\bsk\tbl1}\


\\def\trioblbc{\bsk\let\ibl\iblsav\def\ibl##1##2##3{\sk\iblsav{##1}{##2}{##

3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cl{##2}}\sk}\
%
\\def\st{\smalltype}\def\bs{$\backslash$}\
%1
%rest at the end of a trio, not beamed
d44ax3nf+1 D"\st d4ax3 e $\backslash$trioc f"-3 e \trioc\ f
b4-ax3nf D"\st b4ax3 e $\backslash$triocl2 g"-3 e \triocl2\ g | %rest at

the

end of a trio, beamed ex3nf D"\st ex3  b \bs triodsl2\ g"-3 d \triodsl2\ g

ex3nf

D"\st ex3  d \bs triodsbl3\ g"-3 d \triodsbl3\ g // % normal ones
d45ax3nf-2 r e rx3nf-2 r e |
% other examples
g-Dx2 D"\st gDx2 \bs trioc\ g"+19 \trioc\ g
cx3 D"\st cx3  b \bs triodsb\ g

Re: [Tex-music] trio with interstaff beam puzzle

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thanks to everyone for looking at it.

Don's solution is a handsome discovery, but had a drawback that i cannot 
read the value of the 3th note in the trio (it comes on the wrong line if in 
the lower staff).


Now i humbly ask for allowing rests at the end of xtuplets. And also for 
combined flags and beams in xtuplets.


Here are a few examples of what are my wishes.

Andre

===
2 1 2 4 0 6 0 0 1 3 20 0

tt
./
AT
%Method: Put an any note where the rest should come.
%(if beamed, the hight defines the slope.
%Then replace the note by the musixtex dummy note (*)
%The put a normal rest (ie. \ds)
%
\\\staffbotmarg6\Interligne\
\\\stafftopmarg10\Interligne\
\\interstaff{20}\
%definitions
\\let\cusav\cu\let\clsav\cl\let\ccusav\ccu\let\cclsav\ccl\
\\let\qusav\qu\let\qlsav\ql\let\qbsav\qb\
\\let\tbusav\tbu\let\tblsav\tbl\
\\let\iblsav\ibl\let\ibblsav\ibbl\let\ibusav\ibu\let\ibbusav\ibbu\
\\let\tblsav\tbl\let\tbusav\tbu\
%
%NOT BEAMED
%replace a 4th note by a dummy (*)
\\def\trioq{\def\qu##1{\let\ql\qlsav\let\qu\qusav\qu{*}}\
\\def\ql##1{\let\qu\qusav\let\ql\qlsav\ql{*}}\qp}\
% lower the rest
\\def\trioql#1{\def\qu##1{\let\ql\qlsav\let\qu\qusav\qu{*}}\
\\def\ql##1{\let\qu\qusav\let\ql\qlsav\ql{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\qp}\

%replace an 8th note by a dummy (*)
\\def\trioc{\def\cu##1{\let\cl\clsav\let\cu\cusav\cu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\cu\cusav\let\cl\clsav\cl{*}}\ds\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\triocl#1{\def\cu##1{\let\cl\clsav\let\cu\cusav\cu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\cu\cusav\let\cl\clsav\cl{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\ds\bsk}\

%replace an 16th note by a dummy (*)
\\def\triocc{\def\ccu##1{\let\cl\cclsav\let\ccu\ccusav\ccu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\ccu\ccusav\let\ccl\cclsav\ccl{*}}\qs\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\trioccl#1{\def\ccu##1{\let\cl\cclsav\let\ccu\ccusav\ccu{*}}\
\\def\cl##1{\let\ccu\ccusav\let\ccl\cclsav\ccl{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\qs\bsk}\
%
% BEAMED
% replace an 8th beamed note by a dummy (*), then put a musixtex rest
% the \bsk adapt the lenght of the beam
\\def\triods{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\ds\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\triodsl#1{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\ds\bsk}\
% shorter beam
\\def\triodsb{\triods\bsk\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1\sk}}\
\\def\triodsbl#1{\triodsl#1\bsk\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1}}\
% replace an 16th beamed note by a dummy (*)
\\def\trioqs{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\qs\bsk}\
% lower the rest
\\def\trioqsl#1{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}\lower#1\Interligne\qs\bsk}\
% shorter beam
\\def\trioqsb{\trioqs\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1\sk}}\
\\def\trioqsbl#1{\triodsl#1\bsk\def\tbu##1{\let\tbu\tbusav\tbu##1\qs}}\
%
% BEAMS and FLAG combined
% 8th note up
\\def\triobuc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cu{##2}}\bsk}\
\\def\triobubc{\bsk\let\ibu\ibusav\def\ibu##1##2##3{\sk\ibusav{##1}{##2}{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cu{##2}}\sk}\
\\def\triobucc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccul{##2}}\bsk}\
\\def\triobubcc{\bsk\let\ibbu\ibbusav\def\ibbu##1##2##3{\sk\ibbusav{##1}{##2}{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccu{##2}}\sk}\
% 8th note low
\\def\trioblcc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccl{##2}}\bsk}\
\\def\trioblbcc{\bsk\let\ibbl\ibblsav\def\ibbl##1##2##3{\sk\ibblsav{##1}{##2}{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\ccl{##2}}\sk}\
\\def\trioblc{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cl{##2}}\bsk\tbl1}\
\\def\trioblbc{\bsk\let\ibl\iblsav\def\ibl##1##2##3{\sk\iblsav{##1}{##2}{##3}\bsk\bsk}\
\\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}\cl{##2}}\sk}\
%
\\def\st{\smalltype}\def\bs{$\backslash$}\
%1
%rest at the end of a trio, not beamed
d44ax3nf+1 D"\st d4ax3 e $\backslash$trioc f"-3 e \trioc\ f
b4-ax3nf D"\st b4ax3 e $\backslash$triocl2 g"-3 e \triocl2\ g |
%rest at the end of a trio, beamed
ex3nf D"\st ex3  b \bs triodsl2\ g"-3 d \triodsl2\ g
ex3nf D"\st ex3  d \bs triodsbl3\ g"-3 d \triodsbl3\ g //
% normal ones
d45ax3nf-2 r e rx3nf-2 r e |
% other examples
g-Dx2 D"\st gDx2 \bs trioc\ g"+19 \trioc\ g
cx3 D"\st cx3  b \bs triodsb\ g"+21 D"voices not sychron"+26 b \triodsb\ g 
/

%
%2 end rest, low beam
g44x3 D"\st g+x3 r \bs triodsl2\ g"-3 r \triodsl2\ g
% end rest, no beam
gax3nf D"\st g+x3 r \bs triocl2\ f"-5 r \triocl2\ f |
% testing other cases
rDx3n+1 D"\st rDx3 \bs triocl2\ b"-7-5 \triocl2\ b
rx3 D"\st rx3 \bs trioql2\ bD"-7-5 \trioql2\ bD //
% normal one
r2x3 r b+ |
% exotic ones
[u-2 c8x3n-3 D"\st [ c8x3 \bs triods\ bD ]"+22-4 \triods\ bD ]
b8ax3n-3 D"\st b8ax3 \bs trioc\ bD "+22-1 \trioc\ bD
rx3n-3 bD
baDx3n-3 D"\st baDx3 \bs triocc\ b "+22-1 \triocc\ b /
rp rp /
%
%3 beam and flag
e8-x3nf sf D"\st e8-x3nf sf d s \bs trioblcc\ c "-7 d s \trioblcc\ c
\trioblbcc\ e8x3nf D"\st \bs trioblbcc\ e8x3 d sf c s"-3+3  d sf c s
%
\\\def\trioblcns{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\tbl##1\qb##1##2}}\
\\\def\trioblcnsi{\def\qb##1##2{\cl##2}\def\tbl##1{}}\
%
e4x3nf D"\st e4x3 sf \bs trioblcns\ d s \bs trioblcnsi\ c"-2  sf \trioblcns\ 
d s \trioblcnsi\ c |

[Tex-music] trio with interstaff beam puzzle

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I need trios with interstave beams, they are not allowed because there can 
be no rest at the end of a trio.


I tried to build one with included musixtex commands but this is far from 
elegant and also not stable (ie. if adding a second voice in the lower 
staff).

The first one is with normal 8th notes, the 2nd is a trio.

The musixtex commands are to remove a last note in a trio and also for 
helping to remember the no  and height of the beam.


Someone has something better?

Andre

==
2 1 2 4 0 6 0 0 1 1 20 0

tt
./
AT
\\let\qbsav\qb\
\\def\triodummy{\def\qb##1##2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb##1{*}}}\
\\interstaff{12}\
%
rb4 [jl f8+ ] r \ibl3{20}0\ [l rb4x3 rb  XS-1 \def\cu{\qu}\stemlength5\ fu ] 
r4 /

r8+6 r+6 r+6 r+6   r8+6 r+6 r r //
[l b8 a ]j rb r-4 [jl b4x3nf a \triodummy\ b- ] r4 /
==

(the voice with rests is for showing the difference between trio and the 8th 
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[Tex-music] r+0.g error?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

At the ‘r+0.g’ i get the error for the ‘g’: illegal character, ASCII code 103.
On the other places the ‘g’ is ok. All other chars give no error.
Thanks for looking at it
Andre
=
114 4 4 4  0 0
1 1  16  .0

t
./ 
r8+0.f r.g g.f r+0.g 
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Re: [Tex-music] Postscript problem

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I also get the error (with gsview and acrobat), but when using dvi to pdf there 
is no error, so i think it is a ghostview error.

Andre
From: Don Simons 
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:09 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Postscript problem

Can anyone figure out why the attached file leads to a postscript error (in 
ghostview) on the 3rd page? (I know why the first page is blank and have a 
solution for that.) If you change it to 1 page and 1 system, the error goes 
away. If you go 7 pages and 7 systems, the error is on the 3rd page.

 

FYI, this came about while I was working with Dieter Gloetzel as he hones 
XML2PMX. We found some examples that are very challenging both for XML2PMX and 
for PMX. The one this came from has 14 instruments. After making some mods to 
PMX, and correcting numerous small bugs in the pmx file from XML2PMX (which 
Dieter is addressing), so far I’ve managed to produce a workable result with 51 
pages and 254 bars. Something in the attached file is keeping me from going 
further.

 

--Don Simons 




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Re: [Tex-music] XML2PMX New Version!

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear Dieter,

I own a file made by Finale: Nikkelen.xml
I don't manage to make a pmx file from it (i get only notes on the lower 
staff).

The Finale pdf and xml are here :

http://www.avrmar.be/avr/xml/

Is it possible to get some hints to do the job?

Thanks on beforehand
Andre


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dieter

Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 12:58 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] XML2PMX New Version!

Dear all,

I am happy to announce an updated Version of "XML2PMX", a converter from
MusicXML to PMX-Input.
It is available as Windows-Exe and Linux-binary.

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/xml2pmx/XML2PMX_Windows.zip
http://icking-music-archive.org/software/xml2pmx/XML2PMX_LINUX.tar.gz


Now every PMX or MusiXTeX user has the world of MusicXML at his or her
finger tip.

This does not only concern sheet music published in MusicXML, but as
well musical OCR scanner output.

Apart from error  corrections  the major new features are:
- Lyrics can be extracted and stored in a separate file (option
L=Lyrics)
- several options for console output (P=parsed data, D=directions,
V=voices, S=statistics,)
- automatic detection of pickup
- incomplete measures or voices are automatically filled with blind
rests

Please see the attachment for further details.

Regards,
Dieter






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Re: [Tex-music] Oh what tangled webs we weave

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I ask myself why you want two voice staves in one intrument, while musixtex 
defines a voice staff as 1 instrument.
The goal of an instrument is making the staffs having the same properties.
A lot of your problems i think, will be solved if you have 1 voice staff (which 
always can have 2 voices) for 1 instrument.
The common way two combine 2 voice staves is by ie.: \\songtop2\songbottom1\
We may adapt the the space between the instruments by ie.: 
\\interinstrument=6\internote\
This is not very usefull, because pmx takes care of this. Moreover 
\interinstrument  is useless after the use of ie.:
\setinterinstrument1{4\Interligne}, that alter the space above only 1 
instrument.

Producing a void page on changing the number of instrument cannot be done, ie. 
if making a booklet.
Changing the number of instruments can also be achieved by putting the 
intruments one above each other and later moving them apart.  Here instrument 2 
is placed perfectly above 1 in the preamble and is then moved at line 3.:

\\interstaff{13}\setinterinstrument1{2\Interligne}\setinterinstrument2{-13\Interligne}\

L3Mi.0
\\\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 11:41 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Oh what tangled webs we weave

Some of you may recall my issue with adding extra vertical space between 2 
staves of a single instrument. I thought some might be interested in a few more 
details of that saga.

 

I’m using PMX to typeset a composition by a friend for handbells, SATB choir, 
and piano. It has 6 staves per system. Ideally it would be 3 instruments with 2 
staves each. But I needed to add extra vertical space between the two vocal 
staves, and MusiXTeX evidently has no mechanism to do that if the two staves 
are in the same instrument. So I went to 4 instruments, with 2 for the vocals. 
I also wanted bar rules not to cross the space between instruments, and at 
least at first, I did want them to cross the space between the two vocal lines. 
But \sepbarrules wouldn’t cut it, because that stops barrules from crossing 
spaces between all instruments, which now included two separate ones for the 
vocals. So I went to musixdbr to get that. Coming up with inline TeX was 
complicated by the fact that the score starts out with 6 staves, but the 
handbells are out for the first half of the piece, so I took the score down to 
4 staves starting with the second system, then back up to 6 when the handbells 
came back in. In PMX that’s done with new movement commands. Without all the 
gory details, I did succeed in getting it to happen, but it was very, very 
complicated. The was partly due to the complex way that PMX does new 
movements…it relies on a command \newmovement, defined in pmx.tex. The command 
temporarily redefines \startpiece and \contpiece, so I couldn’t simply keep the 
PMX new movement mechanism while redefining \startpiece and/or \contpiece the 
way I wanted to to activate the right musixdbr options in the right places.

 

In the end, after spending several hours getting the kinks out, I had what I 
was aiming for. But then I started thinking that maybe I didn’t really want the 
barlines to span the space between the two vocal staves, and sure enough, in 
the examples in Read’s book, that’s the way it was. So that basically put me 
back where I started: with 4 instruments and \sepbarrules, there was no need to 
resort to musixdbr and all that ugly inline TeX.

 

What’s the moral of this saga? At one level, I could have saved a lot of effort 
by realizing earlier that by convention barrules don’t cross between adjacent 
vocal staves. But at a deeper level, life would have proceeded a lot more 
smoothly if MusiXTeX had been able to add vertical space between two staves of 
the same instrument. It’s a bit of a mystery to me, considering all the things 
that are possible in MusiXTeX, why you can’t do that.

 

--Don Simons 




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Re: [Tex-music] Vertical space between systems

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

perhaps this will do it? use 3 instruments

===
4 -3 2 1 1  4 4 4 4 0 0
1 3 20 0



btbt
.\

Abp
\\setinterinstrument1{4\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument2{4\Interligne}\
\\curlybrackets{23}\
%
c43 c c c /
c44 c c c /
a43u au au au /
e44l el el el /
%
c43 c c c /
c44 c c c /
b43u bu bu bu /
"More space here please."
c44l cl cl cl /
%
c43 c c c /
c44 c c c /
b43u bu bu bu /
\lyricsoff\ c44l cl cl cl /





From: Don Simons 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:08 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Vertical space between systems

I’m stuck on something that shouldn’t be that hard. How can I get more vertical 
space only in the inter-staff gap where the lyrics are, and have the necessary 
reduction elsewhere distributed among the rest of the available space on the 
page? This gap is between two staves of the same instrument.

 

While we’re at it, how could I similarly add vertical space just in the next 
inter-staff gap down, which is between two instruments in the same system?

 

I’ve intentionally not used Ae, because I think it would create other problems 
in my ultimate application.

 

--Don

 

== 

 

4 -2 2 2  4 4 4 4 0 0

1 3 20 0

 

 

btbt

.\

Abp

%

c43 c c c /

c44 c c c /

a43u au au au /

e44l el el el /

%

c43 c c c /

c44 c c c /

b43u bu bu bu /

"More space here please."

c44l cl cl cl /

%

c43 c c c /

c44 c c c /

b43u bu bu bu /

\lyricsoff\ c44l cl cl cl /

 

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Re: [Tex-music] Help!

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

i had not looked at it in detail.
this is what i did (but not solved)


neither dvi to ps and ps to pdf did not worked in both cases;

with line 261 in action (the doesn’t work) i did dvi to pdf with this file as 
result.

I have no working ps but a working pdf

I suppose there is a bug in ps(convertor)

Andre

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:16 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Help!

Andre, thanks for looking at this. But I’m afraid removing \octfinup did not 
solve the problem for me…see the attached file. Could you send me your .pmx and 
.ps that work for you?

 

--Don

 

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:34 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Help!

 

i can reproduce the problem, also ps to pdf does not work.

But the dvi to ps works and there i can see the \octfinup goes in the right 
margin.

removing the \octfinup “solves “ the problem.

 

I suppose gsview is in error.

 

Andre

From: Don Simons 

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:57 AM

To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 

Subject: [Tex-music] Help!

 

I have a very very very mysterious problem. The attached file compiles OK with 
PMX 2.74, but when I view the postscript in gsview, there’s an error on the 
last page. If I simply comment out line 257 and uncomment 259, the problem goes 
away. The only change is to replace e2 with e4 e .  I’d be grateful if anyone 
can figure out what’s going wrong.

 

--Don

 




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Re: [Tex-music] Help!

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

i can reproduce the problem, also ps to pdf does not work.
But the dvi to ps works and there i can see the \octfinup goes in the right 
margin.
removing the \octfinup “solves “ the problem.

I suppose gsview is in error.

Andre
From: Don Simons 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:57 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Help!

I have a very very very mysterious problem. The attached file compiles OK with 
PMX 2.74, but when I view the postscript in gsview, there’s an error on the 
last page. If I simply comment out line 257 and uncomment 259, the problem goes 
away. The only change is to replace e2 with e4 e .  I’d be grateful if anyone 
can figure out what’s going wrong.

 

--Don

 




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Re: [Tex-music] Double bar puzzle

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

in the .tex file, changing \xchangecontext by \zchangecontext makes the barline 
thinner

Andre 
From: Don Simons 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:06 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: [Tex-music] Double bar puzzle

In the postscript produced by the following PMX, the first 3 double bars are 
all generated by Rd, which I believe leads to the TeX command \setdoublebar. 
But in the third one, at end of the system before the key change, the 2nd 
vertical bar looks heavier, although not nearly as heavy as that produced by RD 
or by default at the end of the piece. Can anyone explain what’s going on? 
Could it be that the thicker line is somehow really two lines that are offset 
just a little bit? I don’t see anything in musixdoc about any double bar other 
than \setdoublebar or \setdoubleBAR.

 

--Don Simons

 

===

1 1  4 4 4 4  0 3

1 2  16  0

 

t

./

g04 Rd /

g Rd /

K+0-1

g Rd /

K+0+2

L2

g /

RD

g /

===

 

 




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Re: [Tex-music] pmx - beamed triplet and d-option

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I tried to have the trios beamed in the accompanion and not beamed at the 
voices.


In the extract i made they are in bar 170 and 174.  I tried different 
options, ie in 174, the 'e1' has a low stem . (e1l). If i change it to a 
high stem (e1u) then i get 'e on the stave, instead of the note.
It is a bit difficult to minimize the code to have a clear insight in the 
behaviour.

And if i change a bit at the code, the error looks different.

http://www.avrmar.be/avr/extract.pdf

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:46 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] pmx - beamed triplet and d-option

Andre—

I still haven’t dug into the code to fix any bugs yet, but I have done some 
testing to see when the error shows up. The simplest thing I’ve found that 
causes the error is

=
2  1 4 1 4  0 0
1 1  20  0


tt
./
a44x3d b c /
d44ax3d e f /
=

If I interchange the two voices, I still get an error, though it's a 
different one. But if I add "a" to the first voice or remove it from the 
2nd, no error. And, as I said before, with the "a" in both, the 2nd note 
only has one flag when it should have 2.


This makes me want to ask you whether you really want separate stems in some 
voices but beamed in others at the same time. I can imagine you might if one 
of the voices is vocal. ???


--Don



I’ve simplified it down to

From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van 
Ryckeghem

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:57 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: [Tex-music] pmx - beamed triplet and d-option

Hello all,

With this pmx file, i get the error, see at the bottom

When i use a single staff (instead of 3), there is no error.

If i replace the 1st trio: ‘a44x3d c a’ by ‘a44ax3d c a’  there is no error, 
but the trio is no more beamed.


===
332 4 2 4  0 0  1 1  20  0



ttt
./
w200
a44x3d c a  gx3 f g /
a44ax3d a a gax3 f g /
a44ax3d a a gax3 f g /


?
! Undefined control sequence.
l.36 \pnotes{1.15}\tbbu1\qb1{'c}&\tb{'a}&\tb
   {'a}\en%

Thanks in advance for helping
Andre


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[Tex-music] pmx - beamed triplet and d-option

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Hello all,

With this pmx file, i get the error, see at the bottom

When i use a single staff (instead of 3), there is no error.

If i replace the 1st trio: ‘a44x3d c a’ by ‘a44ax3d c a’  there is no error, 
but the trio is no more beamed.

===
332 4 2 4  0 0  1 1  20  0



ttt
./
w200
a44x3d c a  gx3 f g /
a44ax3d a a gax3 f g /
a44ax3d a a gax3 f g /


? 
! Undefined control sequence.
l.36 \pnotes{1.15}\tbbu1\qb1{'c}&\tb{'a}&\tb
{'a}\en%

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Re: [Tex-music] chords in grace notes with PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This are 2 methods for writing grace chords

===
   2   1   3   4   3   4   0  -2

   1   2   20  .03

bt
./
w150
c43 b+ zes esi zb /
Gxe5s g2n-ud su+3-1 su+3 //
Gxse4s g24dn /
%
\\\let\grcut\grcu\def\grcu#1{\bigsh7\zq7\grcut{#1}\global\let\grcu\grcut}\
c43 b+ zes esi zb /
Gxse4s g2nud su+4-1.5 s /
=

Andre
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dr. Gerhard Eber

Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:17 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] chords in grace notes with PMX

Dear PMX experts,

I want to write 2 grace notes which build a chord and tried the following

1)
Ga zf e4ds zg /

2)

Ga Gf e4ds zg /

3)

G2azf e4ds zg /

4)

G2a zf e4ds zg /

1) and 2) silently ignore the second note of the intended chord, 3) and
4) complain about the z being not allowed after G.

Is there a way to do this with PMX?
--
Gerhard Eber
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Re: [Tex-music] Vertical spacing: AI-Option in PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I believe the 

% npages nsystems musicsize fracindent
0  <
4
   20
0.05
-
does not obey the rules anymore.

I tried 

% npages nsystems musicsize fracindent
1
4
   20
0.05
-
with 
AbepI.6 and AbepI1.0 and all seems to be normal

Andre


From: Dieter 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 3:08 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: [Tex-music] Vertical spacing: AI-Option in PMX

Hi,

I do have trouble in working with the AI Option of PMX for interstaff spacing.

According to Noack:


I understand that \interstaff will be multiplied by x, when I use this option. 
But what I find is for a certain configuration, that 
the staff distance in a piano piece becomes bigger, when I  set x to 0.5 insted 
of 1.0.

x = 0.5


x = 1.0

I am quite happy with the x =0.5 solution, but I would be happy to gain some 
understanding of what is happening.

Regards, Dieter




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Re: [Tex-music] Problem liturgics

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

In pmx, i use the commands (instrument with 2 staffs):

\\sepbarrules\
\\hidebarrule{1}\hidebarrule{2}\afterruleskip.5pt\beforeruleskip0pt\nobarnumbers\

Andre

From: HF. Steffani 
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 8:32 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Problem liturgics

Hello Oliver,


Meter: m4400 helps for the task to omit the time. But m-tx still assumes a 4/4 
and places the bar every 4 quarters. it ignores the | 

Hans Friedrich


Olivier Vogel  schrieb am 8:29 Samstag, 16.Juli 2016:




Is is what you want to achieve:

Flats: 1
Meter: m4400

f2 ( d4 c4 ) | ( f4 g4 ) b2 |  g4 a4 b2 | ( a4 b4 ) c4 a4 | g2 f2 |
L: Ha-le  lu ja, Ha-le-lu-jaHa-le-lu-ja


Olivier


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Re: [Tex-music] Staff-jumping beamed chords

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I did some tests on Don's file, partly for intestaff beams

The main things i found are:

- on a forced lower beam and the beam is raised above the notes, then the 
behaviour becomes for an upper beam, see bar 4

- if there are rests at the edges of the beams, they are easy to implement
- for xtuplets, implementing the musixtex dummy note '*' in pmx could help

Further comments are in the source code

Andre

==
2 1 2 4 2 4 0 4

1 3 20 0

bt
./
\\barnumbers\
w180m
% Flagged, no L allowed between [..]
m2424
a13 r r4d /
[-9 b14 ] r r4d /
%2
% Quarter and longer notes: use L
a43 r /
a44lL10 r /
%3
%
% normal starting on lower staff
g82 g g g //
[+11 f83 a a g ]j /
[j e84 g g f ] //
g85 g g g /
%4
% midstaff [l+14.. the forced lower beam behaves like an upper beam
% if raised above the notes
[l+14 g83 g g g ]j /
[j g84 g g g ] //
g85 g g g /
%5
% repeat %2 normal starting on lower staff
g82 g g g //
[+11 f83 a a g ]j /
[j e84 g g f ] //
g85 g g g /
%6
% midstaff the \roffset{0} restores the upperbeam behaviour
[l+14 \def\roff{\roffset{0}}\ g83 g g g ]j /
[j g84 g g g ] //
g85 g g g /
%7
% repeat %2 normal starting on lower staff
g82 g g g //
[+11 f83 a a g ]j /
[j e84 g g f ] //
g85 g g g /
%8
[+14 g83 g g g ]j /
rb8 [lj g84 g g ] /
%
[+14 g83 g g ]j rb /
rb8 [j g84 g g ] /
%
[+14 g83 g g ]j rb8 /
rb8 [j g84 g g ] /
%
rb8 [j g83 ]j [j g ]j [fj g ] /
[l g84 ]j [j g ]j [j g ]j rb8 /
%
m5858
[u+10 g83 a b g g ]j /
rb8 rb rb [jf c84 d ] /
%
m2424
[u+10 g23x5 a b g g ] /
[f rb2x5 rb rb c4 d ] /

[u+10 g23x5 a b g g ]j /
[jl rb2x5 rb rb c4 d ] /

\\let\qbsav\qb\
[u+10 g23x5 a b g g ]j /
\def\qb#1#2{\let\qb\qbsav\qb{#1}{*}}\
[jf a2x5 rb rb c4 d ] /
=


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:09 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Staff-jumping beamed chords

Spurred by Andre's ideas, I've been trying to solve this problem
comprehensively, relying on unconventional and counterintuitive uses of the
"j" option, which was originally designed to allow a beam with single notes
to cross from one staff to another. The  original uses also allowed chords
in the beam, but only if each chord stayed within one or the other staff.
Andre's tricks allow this to extend to cases where some or all of the chords
have notes in both staves.

The good news is that I've been able to enumerate all the cases of interest
and put together pure PMX that executes each one of them (see the
attachment). The cases are distinguished by whether the chords within a beam
span the two staves both at the start and end of the beam, only at the
start, only at the end, or at neither end; and also, for the last 3, whether
the non-crossing chord at one end and/or the other is in the upper or lower
staff. So I think that leads to 7 possibilities: both-to-both, low-to-both,
high-to-both, both-to-low, both-to-high, low-to-high, and high-to-low.
They're all represented in beamcross.pmx, but it took me a huge amount of
trial-and-error to work out some of the patterns. And that's the bad
news...I can't provide a clear set of rules that systematically covers all
the cases. I could go forward with just the examples, but it would be much
more satisfying to have that set of rules. So I'm appealing to the group to
see if anyone can play around with these methods and come up with that
comprehensive set of rules to guide the use of forced beams and the "j"
option for this purpose.

One of the spinoffs from that could be to allow Dieter to deal with these
cases in XML2PMX.

Then after someone works out that set of rules, the next challenge, for
which I still don't have even a set of examples, is how to do all of this
(purely in PMX!) if the beam is an xtuplet.

--Don Simons






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Re: [Tex-music] PMX automatic beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I don't know if it is worth the effort but i sent you my install log file. 
(in my root map is gswin.exe and musixflex.exe, not of importance for you)


When i get such error, i update the miktex database. But i am sure you had 
done it.


Andre


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: dsim...@roadrunner.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:01 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX automatic beams

Sitting in the jury assembly room, 3 hours so far and nothing has happened. 
So I tried installing TeX and MusiXTeX on the computer I brought with me. 
Got TeX on OK, and even managed to compile the PMX manual. But I'm having 
problems installing MusiXTeX fonts from MikTeX. Here's the feed back I get. 
Any ideas how to fix it?


--Don



C:\Users\simondo\Documents\PMX\PMX273>etex junk
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (MiKTeX 2.9)
entering extended mode
(junk.tex ("C:\Program Files (x86)\MiKTeX 
2.9\tex\generic\musixtex\musixtex.tex

"
MusiXTeX(c) 1.20 <2015-12-13>

==

Unfortunately, the package musixtex-fonts could not be installed.Please 
check th

e log file:
C:/Users/simondo/AppData/Local/MiKTeX/2.9/miktex/log/etex.log
==

==

Unfortunately, the package musixtex-fonts could not be installed.Please 
check th

e log file:
C:/Users/simondo/AppData/Local/MiKTeX/2.9/miktex/log/miktex-maketfm.log
==
Running miktex-makemf.exe...

Sorry, but miktex-makemf did not succeed for the following reason:

 The musix source file could not be found.

The log file hopefully contains the information to get MiKTeX going again:

 C:/Users/simondo/AppData/Local/MiKTeX/2.9/miktex/log/miktex-makemf.log

You may want to visit the MiKTeX project page, if you need help.
Running hbf2gf.exe...

hbf2gf (CJK ver. 4.8.4)

Couldn't find `musix.cfg'

Sorry, but miktex-maketfm did not succeed for the following reason:

 No creation rule for font musix11.

The log file hopefully contains the information to get MiKTeX going again:

 C:/Users/simondo/AppData/Local/MiKTeX/2.9/miktex/log/miktex-maketfm.log

You may want to visit the MiKTeX project page, if you need help.
! Font \musiceleven=musix11 not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.

  \font
l.746 \font
  \musicthirteen=musix13
?
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX automatic beams

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Perhaps this is a little stupid, but using

1 -1 1 16 16 0 6  2 2 2 20 20 0.1
and
m14/16/0/0

also removes the beams

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dirk Laurie

Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 6:31 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX automatic beams

2016-02-08 1:01 GMT+02:00 Don Simons :


I suppose I could look into that.


Don, creating yet more work for an already overworked man is the
last thing I wish to do. I was hoping that people who regularly use
PMX could help me with a feature newer than say 15 years old,
since that is more or less the snapshot of PMX that got frozen into
M-Tx. André's recent exhibition of virtuosity opened my eyes to the
existence of PMX users that operate on a noticably higher plane
than I do.

As for this piece, I have decided that the original composer should
have doubled all note lengths and made four-bar phrases. It looks
ever so much better that way, allowing more flexible line breaks too.

Fortunately the operation involved little more in the M-Tx source
than telling the editor to replace all 4's by 2's, all 8's by 4's and all
1's by 8's, in that order!






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Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.73

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

prad5.pmx compile nicely with the 32 bit version of pmxab.exe
The 64bit version give an error: pmxab.exe does not work anymore



-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Bob Tennent

Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 8:39 AM
To: Don Simons
Cc: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.73


|Can you wait until Bob Tennent
|does his compilations and try those?


Now available at

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip

Bob


|> The pmxab.exe is asking for ligfortran-3.dll
|>
|> Andre

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.73

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I got it from the link "archive" at WIMA

both 32 and 64 bit pmxab.exe do the job on prad5.pmx

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Bob Tennent 
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:30 PM 
To: Andre Van Ryckeghem 
Cc: Werner Icking Music Archive 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.73 


| >|prad5.pmx compile nicely with the 32 bit version of
| >|pmxab.exe The 64bit version give an error: pmxab.exe does
| >|not work anymore


Andre: I've confirmed that on 64 bit Windows 8.1, the
pmxab.exe formerly in pmx.zip fails when it's about to
output a tex file. I don't know why yet but I've produced a
new pmxab.exe for 64 bit Windows using gfortran and it runs
on Windows 8.1. Please try downloading pmx.zip again from
WIMA and try it.

Bob T.
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.73

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

The pmxab.exe is asking for ligfortran-3.dll

Andre


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 11:20 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX 2.73

I'm very pleased to announce the availability of a beta version of PMX 2.73.
Thanks to Dirk Laurie, PMX can now handle lyrics directly, without having to
use M-Tx as a pre-preprocessor. The zip file is available here:

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx273.zip

I'm also attaching an example .pmx I just put together, part of a Cantata I
had earlier published using M-Tx. Entering the text directly into PMX is now
really quite straightforward.

--Don Simons






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Re: [Tex-music] Piano pedal notation

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

This is an attempt to use the lyrics package for pedal symbols.
It is a little(?) bit tricky, but amusant to do.

I define the  '|' as '\lf' using math symbols, fine tuning horizontal with 
'\!'. The tilde (~) is for skipping to the next note without visible text.


For long sequences (see 3rd example) it is better to use '\beginmel' and 
'\endmel', they are shortened as '\M' and '\W'.  The '\off{.1pt}' is there 
for an as small as possible not visible text.



==
---
\input musixtex
\input musixlyr
%definitions
\def\lf{\raise4pt\hbox{$\lfloor\!\!$}}
\def\rf{\raise4pt\hbox{$\!\!\rfloor$}}
\def\bw{\raise4pt\hbox{$\!\!\bigwedge\!\!$}}
%
\setlyrics{ped}%
{\lf_ \rf ~ \lf_ \bw_ \rf ~ mo-re text  \lf \off{.1pt} \rf }%
---
   114 4 4 4  0 0
   1 1  16  .0

t
./
\\assignlyrics1{ped}\
\\let\M\beginmel\
\\let\W\endmel\
\\let\mylyrruleend\lyrruleend\
\\def\lyrruleend{\off{.8\noteskip}\mylyrruleend\off{-.8\noteskip}}\
a44 a a a  a a a a  a a a \M\ a  a \W\ a a a /

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:37 AM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] Piano pedal notation

Hi all.

Some music books use for the piano pedal a notation different from:

P Ped   *

, i.e. a straight and breaking line below the staff, something like this:


 |__|

or even

   ___/\__|
   |

, which is more precise than:

P Ped   *

.  Is anything similar possibile with MusiXTeX, and how?

Thanks for any help, bye

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] Recompiled PMX 2.72

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I replaced pmx.tex and pmxab.tex and there was no problem on my testfiles. 
Both

ARC:/MUSIXTEX/Include/vlz.pmx
AR C:/MUSIXTEX/Include/vlz.pmx
compile with no error.

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 4:23 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Recompiled PMX 2.72

We've just replaced the executable in pmx272.zip with one that I compiled
using 32-bit Visual FORTRAN. Here's the link:

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx272.zip

I would appreciate it if people who were unable to run any of the earlier
.exe's in Windows, either 32 or 64 bit, would give this one a try and report
back. This is the same compiler I had used for every version from the dawn
of time up to 2.70, with no reports of failure to execute that I can
remember.

--Don Simons

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Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.72 - correction

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

With the files from 'http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip' 
(the 3rd test) i find now that a file in my source is not found: 'AR 
C:/MUSIXTEX/include/vlz.pmx'. I had to return to the pmxab.exe from 
pmx270.zip. the the file is found and pmx and musixtex are running without 
errors (i only changed pmxab.exe).


Andre
Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Andre Van Ryckeghem

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 6:53 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.72

Dear all,

I tested 3 possibilities with the testfile with the odd rm3

the 1st stops at pmxab, see error message

the 2nd is with only replaced pmxab. Not working (why is there a difference
between 32 and 64bit version at the errors?)

the 3rd is all files from
http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip
here all is ok for the test file

==
windows10, musixtex1.21

1. pmx272.zip (pmxab.exe and pmx.tex) : error : libgfortran-3.dll is
missing, close program

pmx.zip (64bit pmxab.exe : error pmxab does not work anymore; 32bit pmxab:
compiling starts but error 'missing number' at instruction '\let \atnextbar
\empty'

pmx.zip (pmxab 32bit, pmx.tex) only this one i can use, here are the
versions taken from the log file
pmxab :version 2.71 28dec 15
MusiXTeX(c) 1.21 <2015-12-27>
PMX, a Preprocessor for MusiXTeX, Version 2.71b <26 Dec 15>

once more the testfile:
==
  114 4 4 4  0 0
   1 1  16  .0

t
./
a44 a a a /
m2424 rm3 /
r2 r4 r8 a- /
rm2 /
===
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: dsim...@roadrunner.com

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 9:46 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX 2.72

Here are links to the new version of PMX:

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx272.zip

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip

pmx272.zip is the Dos/Windows version I put together, while pmx.zip is one
Bob Tennent derived from mine, including both 32- and 64-bit executables and
a TDS compliant directory structure.

I've tried to make it compatible with MusiXTeX 1.21 and in fact have
modified pmx.tex so that it will stop the TeX compilation if the MusiXTeX
version is not 1.21 or higher. And please do not try to use the new
executable with any older pmx.tex.

The main work has been "behind the scenes," trying to get horizontal spacing
correct with multibar and centered full-bar rests, especially in the
presence of key, clef, and meter changes. A full list of updates appears in
the html file in the distribution.

All testing on PMX 2.72 will be greatly appreciated.

--Don Simons
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.72 - correction

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

All test files are ok with the change you proposed, with pmx.tex and the 
32bit pmxab from

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip

I did not realised that the space after AR must be removed, until now it was 
no problem. I will adapt all my sources.


Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Bob Tennent

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:38 PM
To: Bob Tennent
Cc: Andre Van Ryckeghem ; Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX 2.72 - correction


|
| >|With the files from
| 'http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip'
| >|(the 3rd test) i find now that a file in my source is not found: 'AR
| >|C:/MUSIXTEX/include/vlz.pmx'.
|
|Andre:  Please try
|
|AR C:\MUSIXTEX\include\vlz.pmx


Should have been

ARC:\MUSIXTEX\include\vlz.pmx

No space after AR.

On my 32bit Windows system

ARC:/Users/rdt/Desktop/test/test2.pmx

works with pmxab.exe from

http://icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx.zip

Bob 


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Re: [Tex-music] New version 2.71 of PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear all,

With the latest musixtex and pmx , i got a '110' in bar 2, probably coming 
from the tex output line:


\def\atnextbar{\znotes\mbrest3{11}0\en}%

Am i overlooking something?

Thanks for helping,
Andre

This lines are from the log:

(C:\Users\Andre\AppData\Roaming\MiKTeX\2.9\tex\generic\musixtex\musixtex.tex
MusiXTeX(c) 1.21 <2015-12-27>

(C:\Users\Andre\AppData\Roaming\musixtexmf\tex\generic\musixtex\pmx.tex
PMX, a Preprocessor for MusiXTeX, Version 2.71b <26 Dec 15>

===
---
\input musixtex
\input pmx
---
   114 4 0 5  0 1
   1 1  20  .0

t
./
rm3 /
r2d  d44 /
== 


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Re: [Tex-music] New version 2.71 of PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

The '\def\atnextbar{\znotes\mbrest3{11}0\en}%' is generated by pmx

The only difference i see is that i use windows 10. And my pmxab.exe is an 
old one (from pmx2704). When i use pmxab.exe from pmx271 then i got a 
fortran error: libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing, program cannot start. I 
downloaded pmx271 from the link in the latest email.


Andre


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:33 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] New version 2.71 of PMX

That is definitely a symptom of the TeX file calling \mbrest with 3
arguments rather than 1. I do not get the error when I run Andre's PMX code
with

executable PMX, Version 2.71 , 26 Dec 15,
MusiXTeX(c) 1.21 <2015-12-27>, and pmx.tex file
PMX, a Preprocessor for MusiXTeX, Version 2.71b <26 Dec 15>

But some other issues have cropped up, related to having a double barline
and a meter change near a multi-bar rest, so I guarantee there'll be further
changes in PMX before it's ready for prime time.

--Don



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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre
Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive <tex-music@tug.org>
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] New version 2.71 of PMX

Dear all,

With the latest musixtex and pmx , i got a '110' in bar 2, probably coming

from

the tex output line:

\def\atnextbar{\znotes\mbrest3{11}0\en}%

Am i overlooking something?

Thanks for helping,
Andre

This lines are from the log:

(C:\Users\Andre\AppData\Roaming\MiKTeX\2.9\tex\generic\musixtex\mus
ixtex.tex
MusiXTeX(c) 1.21 <2015-12-27>

(C:\Users\Andre\AppData\Roaming\musixtexmf\tex\generic\musixtex\pm
x.tex
PMX, a Preprocessor for MusiXTeX, Version 2.71b <26 Dec 15>

===
---
\input musixtex
\input pmx
---
114 4 0 5  0 1
1 1  20  .0

t
./
rm3 /
r2d  d44 /
==

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Re: [Tex-music] Non-spacing rests?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

If you really need non spacing rests, you can use \rlap{} or llap{} (left 
extending), or make a command, ie. \zds


example:
===
   11   2 4 0  0  0 1
  1 1   20  .01

t
./
%
\\def\zds{\rlap{\ds}}\
\rlap{\raise -2\Interligne\ds}\ d25u \rlap{\qs}\ d \llap{\qs\bsk\qsk}\ d 
\zds\ d+u /

=

Andre

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From: Rodolfo Medina

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 12:39 PM
To: tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] Non-spacing rests?

Hi to all MusiXTeX(ers).

I didn't find in the MusiXTeX manual a command to type a non-spacing rest,
analogous to, e.g., \zql{p} for a non-spacing note.  In polyphonic scores,
non-spacing rests often occur.  Now I'm typing in MusiXTeX language the 
first
three-voices Sinfonia for keyboard in C major by J. S. Bach, and in bars 11 
and

12 non-spacing rests are present.

Thanks for any help.

Rodolfo
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Re: [Tex-music] abbreviation for tremolo

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Some time ago i made in line tex commands for trills. It may happen the 
stemlength must be drag out. \steml does this for the remainder of the bar. If 
necessary it can be restored by \stemn.

Andre

2 2 4 4 4 4 0 -3
1 2 20 0


tt
./
\\def\stemn{\stemlength{4.6}}\
\\def\steml{\stemlength6}\
\\let\whsav\wh\let\husav\hu\let\hlsav\hl\
\\def\FE{\
\\def\hl##1{\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\let\wh\whsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose2\loffset{0.5}{\ibl0{##1}9}\roffset{0.5}{\tbl0}}\ha{##1}}\
\\def\hu##1{\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\let\wh\whsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose-3\loffset{0.5}{\ibu0{##1}9}\roffset{0.5}{\tbu0}}\ha{##1}}\
\\def\wh##1{\let\wh\whsav\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose-2\loffset{1}{\ibu0{##1}9}\roffset{0}{\tbu0}}\wh{##1}}}\
\\def\FEE{\
\\def\hl##1{\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\let\wh\whsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose2\loffset{0.5}{\ibbl0{##1}9}\roffset{0.5}{\tbl0}}\ha{##1}}\
\\def\hu##1{\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose-3\loffset{0.5}{\ibbu0{##1}9}\roffset{0.5}{\tbu0}}\ha{##1}}\
\\def\wh##1{\let\wh\whsav\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose-2\loffset{1}{\ibbu0{##1}9}\roffset{0}{\tbu0}}\wh{##1}}}\
\\def\FEEE{\
\\def\hl##1{\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\let\wh\whsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose2\loffset{0.5}{\ibbbl0{##1}9}\roffset{0.5}{\tbl0}}\ha{##1}}\
\\def\hu##1{\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose-3\loffset{0.5}{\ibbbu0{##1}9}\roffset{0.5}{\tbu0}}\ha{##1}}\
\\def\wh##1{\let\wh\whsav\let\hu\husav\let\hl\hlsav\
  
\\relax{\advance\transpose-2\loffset{1}{\ibbbu0{##1}9}\roffset{0}{\tbu0}}\wh{##1}}}\
%
g24 \FE\ g \FEE\ a \FEEE\steml\ a \FEE\ b \FE\ c \FEEE\steml\ c \FE\stemn\ a+ 
\FEE\ a \FE\ a+ /
g24 \FE\ f \FEE\ e \FEEE\steml\ a \FEE\ d \FE\ c \FEEE\steml\ c \FE\stemn\ a+ 
\FEE\ a \FE\ a+ /
%7
g04 \FE\ g \FEE\ a \FEEE\ a \FEE\ a2 \FE\ a \FEE\ b0 \FE\ c c \FE\ a+ \FEE\ a 
\FE\ a+ /
g04 \FE\ f \FEE\ e \FEEE\ a \FEE\ a2 \FE\ a \FEE\ d0 \FE\ c c \FE\ a+ \FEE\ a 
\FE\ a+ /
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Re: [Tex-music] PMX: horizontal shift of a tie

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

An other possibility is using XS-1:

e45u [u e85u XS-1 d85 t ] [u XS-1 d85 t c85u ] e45u | /

Andre

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From: Dieter

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:00 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] PMX: horizontal shift of a tie

Thanks,Don!

always helpful, exhaustive and timely.

Regards,
Dieter
Am 13.08.2015 um 17:02 schrieb Don Simons:
The s option on the tie only applies to line-breaking ties. It is ignored 
rather than generating an error, because subsequent editing could change a 
line-breaking tie to a mid-line one and vice versa. The minimal adjustment 
to your syntax to make it work would be to remove the s, and put the 
correct offsets both at the start and end of the tie:


e45u [u e85u {1u+0-1 d85ue ] [u d85ue }1+0-1 c85u ] e45u | /

However, the 1 is not necessary since there are no other ties in the 
same voice at that time, and the u is not necessary since by default 
ties on the upper voice in a 2-voice system are upper ties, so the 
following also works:


e45u [u e85u {+0-1 d85ue ] [u d85ue }+0-1 c85u ] e45u | /

--Don Simons


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Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 5:50 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive tex-music@tug.org
Subject: [Tex-music] PMX: horizontal shift of a tie

Dear PMXperts,

when you look at the second bar of the example, you see the two d-notes
shifted left with the e-command in order to avoid collision with the c-
notes.

But the tie does not move correspondingly. I tried the s-Option on the 
tie,

but without effect.

Regards,
Dieter



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Re: [Tex-music] gregorian music sheets in pmx

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I am 72, so i may ask the jounger ones.

2. Perhaps it is because the neumes use things as \char{122}. i will try 
again with the neumes codes inbedded in \rlap{...}. Or i am doing something 
wrong, i will look at it further.


3. custos are half notes that are placed at the end of the staff to indicate 
the height of the following note on the next line.


for using the font for the flat and the custos put 'gregb11.mf' and 
'gregb11.tfm' at the other ones in a map 'fonts' and update the miktex 
database.


Or jou may replace
\font\greg=gregb29 scaled \magstep{1}
by
\def\greg{\normtype}
in mymusixgre.tex
and then you will see other shapes of the flat and the custos

=
Many thanks to Veronica Brandt and Bodo Meisner, I have got a lot of useful 
information.


(Tomorrow i am going to Austria for a week with only a tablet, i can read 
and read emails but, no TeX.)


Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Don Simons

Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 7:38 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] gregorian music sheets in pmx

I had hoped the 3 quick responses to this would answer some of your
questions, but no such luck...all they did was direct you to other software.
So I set out to address your issues. But I need to install your fonts to do
that, and my almost 70-year-old brain can no longer remember the gazillion
illogical steps needed to do that manually, nor can I find any
straightforward guidelines about how to do so for bitmapped fonts. So for
now I'm limited to a few comments and questions.


1. Is it possible to move the 'gregorianCclef' at the first beginning of

the

staff?


I'm sure it can be done but I'd have to be able to generate a TeX source to
work out how.


2. In pmx the bars are translated to '\pnotes{2.83}..', so the gregorian
notes are a bit far from eachother, unless there are neumes with many

notes

(as in In Paradisum aeter'nam ha'beas). If i try to put more notes on a

line

for seeing them closer, the file does not compile anymore.


I'm VERY puzzled by why you can't put more notes on a line. I understand
you're using one note per bar, and that each input block can have no more
than 15 bars (notes). But I've checked that you can have more than one input
block on a line, for example
===
1 1 1 4 1 4 0 0
1 1 20 0

t
.\
c44 d e f g a b c /
c45 b a g f e d c /
c44 d e f g a b c /
c45 b a g f e d c /
===

This works fine for me, with 32 single-note bars on one line.


3. Is it possible to place the custos full automatic (by searching the
height of the 1st not on the following line)?


I don't know what a custos is and have no clue why you would want to know
the height of the 1st note on the following line. Regardless, of course it
would be possible to train PMX to get that information, but it would require
some complex programming to look ahead like that.


4. The gregorian flat and the custos are bitmaps, because of metafont. I
have to use dvips, i have no file for pdftex.


Is there no hope of creating Type 1 versions of these characters?

--Don

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[Tex-music] gregorian music sheets in pmx

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I tried to make gregorian music sheets with pmx.
It is tedius and i need a huge amount of musixtex macros.
The reason for using pmx is:
- gregorian music always needs lyrics, i use musixlyr
- There is only 1 note length, i use quarter notes: in pmx this is 'mo400'
- if necessary i use a dummy 'rb4' to fill up a bar.
- It is easy to change the layout of the sheet

For that i redefined a lot (up to now not all of them) of musixgre macros 
for let it use lyrics.



I  saved them in a file 'mymusixgre.tex'

In musixtex the gregorian flat and the custos are missing.
I made the symbols in metafont (file 'gregb11.mf' with char0 and char1).
It are no beauties, but i plan to redesign them later, perhaps adding them 
to 'xgreggen.mf'


The height of custos are placed by hand, as soon as the first note of the 
next line is known.

The placing at the end of the staff is done by redefining 'alaligne'.

Now comes the reason of my mail, perhaps someone can help me for the items i 
cannot manage.


1. Is it possible to move the 'gregorianCclef' at the first beginning of the 
staff?
2. In pmx the bars are translated to '\pnotes{2.83}..', so the gregorian 
notes are a bit far from eachother, unless there are neumes with many notes 
(as in In Paradisum aeter'nam ha'beas). If i try to put more notes on a line 
for seeing them closer, the file does not compile anymore.
3. Is it possible to place the custos full automatic (by searching the 
height of the 1st not on the following line)?
4. The gregorian flat and the custos are bitmaps, because of metafont. I 
have to use dvips, i have no file for pdftex.


Perhaps (i hope) this work is useless, because someone else has a easy way 
to make gregorian sheets.

But if not, i put my files here for those who are willing to look at it.

All files are here:

http://www.avrmar.be/gregpmx/

the fonts an include file and this 2 examples:

http://www.avrmar.be/gregpmx/inparad.pdf
http://www.avrmar.be/gregpmx/neumes.pdf

Andre

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Re: [Tex-music] Hard vertical space in PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

In 2004, i made some examples on how to change the pagelayout.

On

http://www.avrmar.be/pagelayout/

there is a pdf file with explanation and a zip file with the pmx source

Andre

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Dirk Laurie

Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:38 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Hard vertical space in PMX

I have a piece which I tell PMX to spread over 2 pages, 8 systems.
It's a bit crowded on Page 1 because I have three verses of lyrics
above the top line of each system, and rather loose on Page 2.
So I say 7 systems. Page 1 now has three systems and Page 2 four,
as I expected, but Page 1 is no longer nicely expanded. Everything
is crowded in the top half of the page and the bottom half is blank.
The title of the piece is printed over the three verses of lyrics.

I know it's a TeX thing: if the total text height is not enough, vertical
space is not distributed when the page is shipped out. But the real
reason is that TeX does not know about the space taken up by
the lyrics.

I know how to tell TeX to put extra space between staves in
a system. And between systems.

But I do not know how to tell TeX to put extra space above the
first system.

PMX has a feature for that, in theory. Tt15 instead of just Tt
should do it. But the TeX file produced is identical.

The documentation says that Tt should appear after Tc and Ti.
I don't have Tc ot Ti.
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Re: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I suppose you use 4 instruments

You may change the space between the staffs by using ie.
AI.8

Then the space above instrument 1 and 3 must be larger:
\\setinterinstrument1{5\Interligne}\
\\setinterinstrument3{5\Interligne}\
You may try to make space above intrument 2 smaller(negatieve number is 
possible):

\\setinterinstrument2{0\Interligne}\

Propably you need to change the place of the lyrics (the number can be 
negative either)ie.

\setsongraise2{1\Interligne}\

Perhaps you also may use
\\songtop4\songbottom1\
or
\\songtop4\songbottom3\songtop2\songbottom1\

Preserving the page layout:
Above the start of the music:
\\vskip-2\Interligne\%less space between componist and first staff

or/and use staff size 16

or/and make the page higher:
w270m

Andre

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From: Dieter

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:05 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] Fine tuning of staff distance in PMX

Hi PMXperts,

if you have time, please have a look at the attachment, which I produced
with PMX and MusixLyr.
It doesnot look too bad, but I would like to put a bit more space
between staves for the verses
and less space, when there are no verses, and hopefully preserve the
two-page layout.

Thanks and regards,
Dieter







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[Tex-music] beam on 2 staves and 2 voices

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear all,
I do not can get it right when i want beams on notes crossing 2 staves. When i 
have only 1 voice/staff it looks better.
Also i expected a double beam on the last 2 notes. Perhaps i am doing something 
wrong?
This is the example:

 221 4 1 4   0  0
  1   1  20  .04


bt
./
w100m
rp //
[ d83 ]j rb8 /
rb8 [j e14 f ] //
rp /
% 1 voice, still no double beam
[ d83 ]j rb8 /
rb8 [j e14 f ] /

%


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Re: [Tex-music] beam on 2 staves and 2 voices

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Thank you very much Don,

This code did the job perfectly:

rp //
[l+13 d83 ]j rb8 /
rb8 [ju \nbbl3\ e14 f ] //
rp /

(the 1st note had to be on the lower staff to indicate that it was to play with 
the left hand)

Andre
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Re: [Tex-music] How can I switch PMX to landscape paper format?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear all, this is what i use for changing space between staffs for lyrics. 
The real space depends of the global def: ie AI0.9


For 1 staff, or for under the lowest instrument, use ie.

\\staffbotmarg=2\Interligne\

Between the instruments ie. above instrument 1:

\\setinterinstrument1{3\Interligne}\

Changing spaces between staffs, redefine interstaff, ie:

\\let\interstaffsav\interstaff\def\interstaff#1{}\interstaffsav{14}\


As an example of landscape format, this is what i use for the oblan format:

w281m h205m
\\special{papersize=320mm,240mm}\voffset=-12mm\hoffset=0mm\

Andre

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From: Dieter

Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 9:08 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] How can I switch PMX to landscape paper format?

Hi Don, thanks for your rapid reply.

on a WIndows/miktex installation it works perfectly as you suggested
putting the w and h command in PMX and setting the -tlandscape
option in the call to DVIPS.

However I do have another problem. I have a choir example with two
staves and 5 verses  (typeset with Musixlyr) between the staves. And I
need more space between the staves.

I was not successful to resolve the problem with the PMX option AI[x] .
I know I must do something to the interinstrument distance, but I am not
so familiar with MusixTeX.

Thanks and kind regards
Dieter

Am 18.10.2014 19:56, schrieb Don Simons:
Within PMX it's pretty easy. Right after the setup data, just set the 
width
and height of the printed area with built-in PMX commands. For example, 
for

U.S. lettersize with 1/2 in margins, right after the setup data put

w10i
h7.5i

From that point forward, it's probably system dependent. For myself, 
under
Windows 7, in my test I found that no changes were needed when running 
TeX.

For dvips, I used

dvips -tlandscape file.dvi

I can't say whether you'd need a different option for European size paper.
Also, you might want to tweak the vertical and horizontal position of the
postscript output with dvips command line options like -o0.25in,-0.22in; I
didn't mess with that in my test and the postscript output looks slightly
low and to the left of center.

When I converted the .ps to .pdf using convert in gsview32/ghostscript, 
and

opened the result in Acrobat, it looked OK, the same as the .ps

I also found reference to a postscript special which might provide an
alternate approach, but didn't experiment with it. You could enter the
special via type 4 inline TeX at the top of the PMX file:

---
\special{papersize=11in,8.5in}%
---

but from then on you're on your own.

--Don Simons




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From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of Dieter
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:01 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] How can I switch PMX to landscape paper format?

Hi,

could anybody please tell me, how to influence the paper format when
typesetting music with PMX?

Thanks and regards,
Dieter
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Re: [Tex-music] Low octave at clef change in PMX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Perhaps this may work?

\setclef1\treble\setclefsymbol1\treblelowoct\changeclefs

Andre

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From: Francisco Callejo Giménez

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 9:28 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Low octave at clef change in PMX

Hi,

I'm trying to copy a Renaissance madrigal beginning with the incipit
with the original clefs, in PMX.

I write the original clefs in the preamble, put the incipit in the first
block and then I change the clefs with Cb or Ct. But I want to use the
treble clef with the low octave for the tenor voices and I don't find
the way to do it. I've tried \settrebleclefsymbol and \setclefsymbol in
some places: at the beginning of the block, before Ct, after Ct... but I
always get the common treble clef. I've read the .tex file and the
pmx.tex file, and I suppose the reason is the definition of \pmxclef.

Is it possible to get a \treblelowoct symbol after a clef change in PMX?

Thanks,
Francisco Callejo.

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Re: [Tex-music] Diagonal lines

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I think the first parameter is the height, the second the lenght and the 
third the slope


\rlap{{\varline7{20pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\rlap{{\varline8{40pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\rlap{{\varline7{60pt}5}}\ e44 g /

Andre

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From: Don Simons

Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 4:49 AM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Diagonal lines

I'm trying to figure out how to draw an ARBITRARY diagonal line. There's a
macro \varline in musixtex.tex that is used for xtuplet brackets, but it
doesn't work as I would expect from the description:

% varline #1=height[dimen] #2=length[dimen] #3=slope (1\eqiv 1.125degree)
% (comments and ideas from Ian Collier)  (from -20 upto 20 )
% This macro is used by some of the others which follow,
% using it directly it must be set in zero box

Minor point: the 1st argument is a number, not a dimension. Here's a test
file, in which the 8 slanted lines should get progressively longer. THEY
DON'T. Can anyone figure out how to dumb this macro down so it simply draws
the advertised line, starting from the same point every time (like it seems
to be doing for the last 4 lines)? It would also be nice to be able to set
the thickness of the diagonal line, and to remove the restriction on slope.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

=
1 1 2 4 2 4 0 0
0 8 20 0

t
.\
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{2pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{4pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{6pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{8pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{10pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{12pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{14pt}5}}\ e44 g /
\zcharnote7{\hbox{\varline0{16pt}5}}\ e44 g /
===

--Don Simons


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Re: [Tex-music] rest with a Triplet in MTX

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Sorry, i was missing something, i forgot that trios work with a rest in the 
first place.
Even working more than 10 years with the amazing pmx, i still find more 
features.


Andre

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Subject: Re: [Tex-music] rest with a Triplet in MTX

With no inline TeX, this gets everything except two of the three brackets. 
Andre's solution got two of the brackets but not the third one. Otherwise, 
they look the same to me. Am I missing something?


==
1 1 2 4 2 4 0 0
0 3 20 0

t
.\
w2i
AT
r4x3 a4D s-3 cx3 b a s-6 //
r4x3nf g5 s+6 fs e4 s+5+.5 /
==

--Don Simons
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Re: [Tex-music] Adventures with \coda

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

Dear Don,

I cannot reproduce the behaviour, i rather see the error at \shake and this 
could be solved by putting it between {..} (for doing this i use the \relax 
command).


This are the tex lines from the PMX run

\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\Coda{'g}\qu d\qu e\qu f\en%
\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\coda{'g}\qu d\qu e\qu f\en%
\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\shake{'g}\qu{`d}\qu e\qu f\en%
\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\shake{'g}\qu d\qu e\qu f\en% --- this one runs away
\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\relax{\shake{'g}}\qu d\qu e\qu f\en% -- this solves it
\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\relax{\coda{'g}}\qu d\qu e\qu f\en%

I used pmx270

Andre

==
1 1 4 4 0 6 0 -1
1 1 20 0

t
./
w180m
Ap
%
c44 \Coda{'g}\ d e f  /
c44 \coda{'g}\ d e f  /
c44 d ot e f  /
c44 \shake{'g}\ d e f  /
c44 \relax{\shake{'g}}\ d e f  /
c44 \relax{\coda{'g}}\ d e f  /
===


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From: Don Simons

Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 5:31 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Adventures with \coda

I'm trying to respond to the request to get PMX to do coda symbols. My plan
is to do it more like an ordinary ornament than I did segno, so each
instance of oC in PMX will only lead to a single coda symbol rather than
one in every staff. That would let you tweak the position of each symbol
independently.

In the process I've come across some weirdness in the behavior of \coda as
defined in musixtex.tex. My first test of my new PMX coding, with input c44
d oC e f /, produced

\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\coda{'g}\qu{`d}\qu e\qu f\en%

as expected. Compare this to what I got with just ot instead of oC:

\pnotes{2.83}\qu c\shake{'g}\qu{`d}\qu e\qu f\en%

Looks the same except for the ornament name, right? Well, it doesn't have
the same effect, because in the one with \coda, the octave change character
on g is not respected on the following notes, and they come out an octave
too low. I've looked at the definitions in musixtex.tex, and see that \coda
is defined differently so as to give an automatic horizontal offset from
where it is entered. But somehow that more complicated definition shields
the rest of the world from the octave change symbol in the argument of
\coda.

Since I refuse to revisit and revise PMX's tried and true pitch level
tracking just to accommodate this odd behavior of \coda, my tentative plan
is to define a new coda macro \pmxcoda (in pmx.tex) that handles pitch
levels the same as \shake. I would probably do away with musixtex's
automatic re-positioning, but you could still manually shift it vertically
or horizontally. Any objections? And if there are objections, i.e., if you
want to preserve musixtex's automatic repositioning of the coda symbol, then
please suggest an alternate way of writing musixtex's definition of \coda so
it doesn't hide the octave shifts from later commands.

PS: This complication validates my decision to postpone implementing this
until after releasing version 2.7.

--Don


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Re: [Tex-music] How to make straight quavers swing?

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

What i remember of this is that i not have found a solution: i had to make a 
specific midi sheet, ie a grace note was produced by shortening the prevous 
note and then put a 1/32 note:


r8 Gxe g8+ becomes   r1 r3 e Gxe g8+

The quaver c8 d  should become c4Dx3 d

I tried the to combine this all in one pmx file, ie by trying something as 
IMS1 ... IM (record MIDI without producing sheet data) in combination with 
MS2 ... M (record the code without producing output) in order to hear the 
constructed grace and see the normal grace.
 IMS1 r1 r3 e Gxe g8+ IM (stop midi output)  r8 Gxe g8+ IMR2 (restart midi 
output) 

Of course this is not possible

Andre

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From: Cornelius C. Noack

Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 11:20 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] How to make straight quavers swing?

On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Dieter wrote:

Has anybody got an idea how to make PMX (or the generated midi file) 
swing,

i.e. translate 2 quavers into a triplet with a tie on the first notes.


I am not sure that I really understand what you are looking for; but
reading Don Simons' comment, it seems this may be similar to
the notation shorthand of consecutive quavers that are quite
common in the literature.

If so, the trick Andre Ryckeghem invented some time ago
(simply an inline TeX macro) might be of use. You'll find that
explained in my PMX tutorial - look at the
   subsection{Shorthand notation for consecutive quavers} .

This might be useful; and perhaps its not a big deal to rewrite
Andre Ryckehems macro suitable to your need.

If that's so, please explain in more detail what you want, and
perhaps we'll manage something.


Thanks

and regards,

Dieter
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Re: [Tex-music] Keyboard edition with modern clefs

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

An other possibility is using halfbrackets, for indicating which hand must 
be used.
I asked for it on the list  (a long time ago) and got this adaption from the 
brackets code. I forgot who has sent it, sorry.


This is a pmx example of use:

==
2 1
4 4 4 4
0 0
1 1
20 0.07

bt
./
w100m
%Halfbracket
\\makeatletter\
\\def\halfbracketd#1#2{\y@iv#2\internote \advance\y@iv\tw@\internote\
 \\inhgetn@i#1\relax\pl@base \advance\y@i-1\h@lf\internote\
 \\raise\y@i\llap{\uplap{\offinterlineskip\hbox{\mxsps\@xxvii}\
 \\hbox{\vrule\@height\y@iv\
\\def\halfbracketu#1#2{\y@iv#2\internote \advance\y@iv\tw@\internote\
 \\inhgetn@i#1\relax\pl@base \advance\y@i-1\h@lf\internote\
 \\raise\y@i\llap{\uplap{\offinterlineskip\
 \\hbox{\vrule\@height\y@iv}\hbox{\mxsps\@xxvii\
\\makeatother\
b43 c b a8 b /
a84 \loff{\halfbracketd{-10}{12}}\ g f e d e f g //
g15 e f g a4 t a1 t f g a b d c a /
==

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Re: [Tex-music] Beams over bar lines (was RE: Ending forced beams)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

There is also an example about staff jumping beams in the tips and tricks 
section on the WIMA site

Andre

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From: Don Simons

Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 8:20 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: [Tex-music] Beams over bar lines (was RE: Ending forced beams)

Cornelius C. Noack wrote


This is interesting: I looked in the PMX manual (pmx260.pdf),
but found no more detailed instructions than the ones Don
Simons cited for you; and the tutorial pmxccn.pdf contains just
that, almost literally.


I don't think anyone claimed there were any more detailed instructions in
pmx260. But Cornelius is right in that pmxccn does contain the same
statement I referred to.

As an aside, when looking in pmxccn, I noticed Cornelius' example of a
staff-jumping beam that spanned a bar line, and it made me wonder if the
same mechanism would work in a single staff. In other words, despite the
programmer's laziness, is there a back-door way to get a beam across a bar
line? Turns out the answer is yes (Eureka!):


1 1 2 4 2 4 0 0
1 1 20 0

t
.\

g44 [ g1 g g g ]j | [jl g1 g g g ] g4 /
=

And incidentally, notice that I did have to override the up-downness of the
2nd segment to get the horizontal alignment right. More testing might be
needed to ensure that if there are other ordinary beams hanging around, the
numbering doesn't get messed up.

--Don Simons


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Re: [Tex-music] New beta of PMX (2.614)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I did a run on your example with pmx2614, pmx.tex2614a,  
musixtex115(3april2011), musixpointed shorties t114 (16jun2008), but i have no 
better output. My output is the same as showed in your previous mail.
Am i doing something wrong?
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Re: [Tex-music] New beta of PMX (2.614)

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

my miktex is 2.9; ETEX is used
The logging is: ‘This is pdftex, Version 3.1415926-1.40.11 MiKTeX 2.9’
see between text

From: Don Simons 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:20 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' 
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] New beta of PMX (2.614)

I cannot recreate your problem. Do you get this TeX for bar 1?

 

===

% Bar count 1

\pnotes{1.73}\pt0\lower4\internote\qs\cclp{'G}\ibbl1E1\qbp1D\tbbl1\qbp1E%

\en%

\pnotes{2.00}\tbl1\qb1{'F}\en%

===

--- this is exactly what i got



What is pmx.tex2614a? Actually it shouldn’t matter since the only changes I 
made in pmx.tex were deletions. New pmxab.exe would work with old pmx.tex, but 
not the other way around.

--- This is the logging line:

--- PMX, a Preprocessor for MusiXTeX, Version 2.614a 17 juli 11

 

I’ve done the following checks:

 

1. Ran the test file with the binary from the newly uploaded zip at 

http://www.icking-music-archive.org/software/pmx/pmx2614.zip

Got correct result.

--- So did i (without the correct results), the musixpoi i used had a date 
5/2/2009, and in the logging: 16 jun 2008

 

2. Compiled pmx2614.for after commenting/uncommenting getarg lines. Ran test 
file, got correct result.

 

I’m stumped. Can someone else try compiling the test file with the new version?

 

--Don

 

From: tex-music-boun...@tug.org [mailto:tex-music-boun...@tug.org] On Behalf Of 
Andre Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:34 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] New beta of PMX (2.614)

 

I did a run on your example with pmx2614, pmx.tex2614a,  
musixtex115(3april2011), musixpointed shorties t114 (16jun2008), but i have no 
better output. My output is the same as showed in your previous mail.

 

Am i doing something wrong?

 

Andre 




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Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX file locations in Windows

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

The batch files in the InstallMusiXTeX folder in the musixtex distribution 
is for a single user (one account).
I used %USERPROFILE% and %APPDATA% because they are both usable in Windows 
XP and 7.


The suggestions from David Allsop for more than one user (running musixtex 
from several login accounts) are very interesting,


Until now, i still am convinced that the easiest method for multiple users 
is putting the 'musixtexmf' and the 'tools' map in the C:\ root, if the 
installing method must be the same for XP and 7. I agree, it is not the 
standard method, but it are only 2 maps. There are also mitigating 
circumstances, because MIKTEX has also has put 'texmf' in the root in the 
earlier versions.


Andre

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From: David Allsopp

Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:21 PM
To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive'
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] MusiXTeX file locations in Windows

Don Simons wrote:

David Allsopp wrote
The only thing which should write to C:\Program Files or C:\Program
Files
(x86) is a
setup program (MiKTeX Package Manager falls into this category) -

I believe the MiKTeX installer does as well


Indeed - but that's a de facto setup program :)


human beings
(and normal programs) should not write *anything* there. That's why the
default
permission for normal users is read-only for C:\Program Files and why
even
programs
can't write to it unless they're running elevated (of course, you're
running as
Administrator on Windows XP then these facts are masked). The correct
place
for
shared data between all users is, for Windows Vista / Windows 7,
C:\ProgramData or
C:\Users\Public (it's a matter of taste whether you want to put a
publically available third
party tree in the hidden C:\ProgramData or C:\Users\Public\Documents)
or
for
Windows XP, it's C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data
or C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Documents.

Andre and I went back and forth on this when preparing the manual
mxinsuse.pdf and batch file instmus.bat (which calls setmaps.bat) for
installing MusiXTeX 1.15. It was Andre who came up with what I believe is
a very satisfying resolution. It involves using the built-in Windows
environment variable %APPDATA%. For example, when I type set in a
Windows XP command window, it tells me

APPDATA=C:\Documents and Settings\Don\Application Data

I believe %APPDATA% will represent a similar user-accessible path in
Windows Vista and 7. So for the default we had the batch file copy
MusiXTeX files into %APPDATA%\musixtexmf.


Yes, it does (C:\Users\you\AppData\Roaming - Windows Vista has 3 different 
Application Data folders per user, but Roaming is definitely the one to use 
here).



I'd guess this will work for 99% of the Windows users of MusiXTeX. For
the other 1% (who may have more than one user), I'm not sure what happens
if the MusiXTeX files are in one user's space and that path is listed as
a root in MiKTeX setup, but I'm about to do some testing that will answer
that question. In any event, setmaps.bat could be edited to point to

%ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data\musixtexmf


Not quite - on Vista, ALLUSERSPROFILE already points to the equivalent of 
Application Data. The best way would be to say


setlocal enableextensions
if defined ProgramData (
 rem Windows Vista onwards
 set INSTALL_TARGET=%ProgramData%\musixtexmf
) else (
 rem Windows XP and earlier
 set INSTALL_TARGET=%ALLUSERSPROFILE%\Application Data\musixtexmf
)

Do the batch files already have a switch to indicate whether they're 
installing for all users or just for the local user? (indeed, do they 
attempt to register the root directly using initexmf?). The obvious choice 
to me, mirroring initexmf itself, would be to add the --admin switch to the 
batch file - this would cause it to attempt to install for all users and 
also pass --admin to initexmf to register the new root for all users instead 
of just the current one. Incidentally, in that instance, the following 
snippet is handy for detecting whether you're running in an elevated command 
prompt in Windows Vista+:


set NOT_ELEVATED=0
ver | find Version 6.  nul
if not errorlevel 1 (
 whoami /groups | find S-1-16-12288  nul
 if errorlevel 1 set NOT_ELEVATED=1
)

Then later on you can test %NOT_ELEVATED% and display an error rather than a 
whole load of Access denied when you attempt to copy files to a folder the 
user can't write!


HTH,


David

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Re: [Tex-music] Ties and Volta

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

i deleted the Vb2 en typed it again for getting a good result
Andre

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From: DIETER glötzel

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:34 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] Ties and Volta

Am 18.05.2011 19:58, schrieb Olivier Vogel:

1 1 4 4 0 6 0 -1
1 1 20 0

t
./
w100m
Ap
%
f0 st /

V1 f0 st /

Vb2 f0 st+0-3 st /

Hi Olivier,

thanks for the example. But somehow it seems to ignore the 2nd Volta.

kind regards,
Dieter






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Re: [Tex-music] curlybrackets

[Andre Van Ryckeghem]

I am astonished, there is no difference between the log files, exept, your 
tex is from 2010 (i don't think that gives the error).


I don't know what to do , perhaps redownload the curly.tex?

Andre

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From: Hermann Hinsch

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 5:27 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] curlybrackets

Am Donnerstag, 21. April 2011, 05:48:27 schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:

This is what i get.

I use PMX2603, 11 dec 10
pdfTeX, version 3.1415926-1.40.11 (etex)
mtx.tex 0.60d 16 match 2005
musixtex T.115-beta4 1 jan 2011
Musixlyrics 2.1c june 10 2003

Andre



I updated all relevant TeX-files but with no success. I applied diff between 
your and mine
log file and I send the output of diff attached. Perhaps this gives an idea 
of where to find

the problem.

Hermann



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From: Hermann Hinsch
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 1:45 PM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: Re: [Tex-music] curlybrackets

Am Mittwoch, 20. April 2011, 09:46:30 schrieb Andre Van Ryckeghem:
 I remember, i had that problem when making the example in the
 musixdoc.pdf manual (page 15).
 I had to first do
 \input curly
 and then set the musicsizes

I did so but without any success

 Are you using pmx or tex?

I use M-Tx with Size: 16 supressed and set \smallmusicsize after \input
curly

 Andre

 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
 From: Hermann Hinsch
 Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 7:25 PM
 To: Werner Icking Music Archive
 Subject: [Tex-music] curlybrackets

 Hi all,

 I would like to use curlybrackets (input curly) in my score but I always
 get a bracket which
 is too large independent of the musicsize or number of staves in a
 system.

 Hermann
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