[Texascavers] papers on Texas karst
There are a number of papers on karst in Texas and adjacent states in the U.S. Geological Survey Karst Interest Groups Proceedings, Carlsbad, New Mexico, April 29–May 2, 2014. The 162-page publication may be downloaded from http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2014/5035/sir2014-5035.pdf --Mixon Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
Thanks Stefan! I was wondering the same. A few years ago we went with the Monterrey Tec caving group to Carrizal, checked both the water and dry levels and had a blast. We figured it would be an awesome cave to bring newer cavers since it was so cool to have a both hot and cold streams in a cave. In our first trip it was all experienced cavers (with probably higher resistance to histoplasmosis), we didn't know that Carrizal had a high risk of histo, and no one got sick. When we came back with a group of newer and more experienced cavers, all the newer cavers got histo, one of them badly. Too bad, because it's such a cool cave! - Fofo On 11/11/2014, at 17:26, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Dear ? Please sign your messages. Stefan - stefan.crea...@arm.com -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:12 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Carrizal The last time I went to Grutas de Carrizal was 2008. We didn't go to the dry upper level passage, because we knew there was Histoplasmosis there, but three new cavers got histo anyway, (two seriously). It was May, and there were bats in the big passage with the stream. maybe it was always winter when we went in the 70s. Maybe there are now more bats, but I wouldn't try it without histo masks. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Las Grutas de Carrizal
I first went to Carrizal in December of 1984 with 5 other newbie Aggie Cavers, and was the least experienced of the group.There was a large sign posted out front warning of danger in the cave that was old and faded. I once had a picture of the sign, but it is probably lost.Didn't it say Histoplasmosis on it ?? We hiked a mile in from the gate, as we had no idea how to get a key, only to find a family living about 200 yards from the entrance.I went on several more trips to Carrizal for about 10 years after that, and they were all fun and uneventful.I have no idea if any of us got sick, and if we did we thought we had the flu. There was a time in the late 80's, where I had no problem getting a key to the gate, but could not find cavers to go, or I didn't have vacation time, or had some other caving related event to attend that was higher priority. Sidenote: The ladder that was recently used in the Kiwi Sink Dig was purchased in 1995 for checking out some shadows in the ceiling of the passage in Carrizal.After a monumental effort to purchase and deliver the ladder to the entrance by myself, the 3 other members of my team mutined and would not help me carry the ladder the rest of the way into the cave. ( Disclaimer: the ladder is a heavy duty aluminum ladder consisting of two - 20 foot pieces. ) I can remember planning to carry it myself, as they sat around the campfire relaxing with their cerveza mexicana ( Modelo or Tecate ?? ). I think I went back in the cave alone to re-check the shadows once last time, and accepted the reality that I could not safely get the ladder in place without their help. So I joined them around the campfire. I thought about donating the ladder then to the town of Candela, so I wouldn't have to haul it back to Houston, but decided it would be more practical to find a caving use for it somewhere.The ladder was eventually delivered from Houston to Kiwi Sink on the top of my tiny Honda Fit. I paid for the ladder hanging Christmas lights on 2-story houses. That trip was the last time I was in Carrazal, I think. Sometime earlier, around 1993, I was with 2 Houston cavers, Pam Ozkowski ( Spencer Woods wife ) and Ralph Batche ( R.I.P. ), in the cave. There was another trip about that time with caver George Sanders, so ask him about Carrizal. He drove to the entrance in his Geo Metro.After watching that off-road feat, I learned the benefits of a short-wheel base and small vehicle width, for travelling the backroads of the Sierra Madres. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Ridgewalking on comets
This may be the closest we ever get to ridgewalking on comets. This image was just released by ESA a few minutes ago. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2Q7tdNIMAAYbTe.jpg:large I do not see any karst.A wild guess is the lander took this photo 100 meters above the surface. Hopefully it did not bounce off that big boulder, which I am guessing is the size of a house. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Las Grutas de Carrizal
I logged 700km in the rural Andes of Ecuador driving a Fiat Uno and a Suzuki that was even smaller. (Small) size matters! Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com From: David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Las Grutas de Carrizal I first went to Carrizal in December of 1984 with 5 other newbie Aggie Cavers, and was the least experienced of the group.There was a large sign posted out front warning of danger in the cave that was old and faded.I once had a picture of the sign, but it is probably lost.Didn't it say Histoplasmosis on it ?? We hiked a mile in from the gate, as we had no idea how to get a key, only to find a family living about 200 yards from the entrance.I went on several more trips to Carrizal for about 10 years after that, and they were all fun and uneventful.I have no idea if any of us got sick, and if we did we thought we had the flu. There was a time in the late 80's, where I had no problem getting a key to the gate, but could not find cavers to go, or I didn't have vacation time, or had some other caving related event to attend that was higher priority. Sidenote: The ladder that was recently used in the Kiwi Sink Dig was purchased in 1995 for checking out some shadows in the ceiling of the passage in Carrizal. After a monumental effort to purchase and deliver the ladder to the entrance by myself, the 3 other members of my team mutined and would not help me carry the ladder the rest of the way into the cave. ( Disclaimer: the ladder is a heavy duty aluminum ladder consisting of two - 20 foot pieces. ) I can remember planning to carry it myself, as they sat around the campfire relaxing with their cerveza mexicana ( Modelo or Tecate ?? ). I think I went back in the cave alone to re-check the shadows once last time, and accepted the reality that I could not safely get the ladder in place without their help. So I joined them around the campfire. I thought about donating the ladder then to the town of Candela, so I wouldn't have to haul it back to Houston, but decided it would be more practical to find a caving use for it somewhere.The ladder was eventually delivered from Houston to Kiwi Sink on the top of my tiny Honda Fit. I paid for the ladder hanging Christmas lights on 2-story houses. That trip was the last time I was in Carrazal, I think. Sometime earlier, around 1993, I was with 2 Houston cavers, Pam Ozkowski ( Spencer Woods wife ) and Ralph Batche ( R.I.P. ), in the cave. There was another trip about that time with caver George Sanders, so ask him about Carrizal. He drove to the entrance in his Geo Metro.After watching that off-road feat, I learned the benefits of a short-wheel base and small vehicle width, for travelling the backroads of the Sierra Madres. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Bill, Many thanks for your careful perusal of the Texas Caver archive and fixing some errors. Was the missing issue you were looking for 1986 no. 2? It was not in the archive I downloaded, but it is in KIP, although in a strange fashion. Their issues for 1986 are not all in numerical order, and there is not one called no. 2. However there are two called no. 6, but the first one (April issue) is in fact no. 2. The confusion may stem from the fact that the issue itself says Vol. 31, No. 6; April, 1986, but it clearly isn't, and is different from the real no. 6 (December issue). George Veni - maybe you could call this to KIP's attention and have them fix the name of that file. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, November 12, 2014 2:43 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Mark, I've passed your message and Bill's. We appreciate such notes that help us fix errors and improve the Portal's operation. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 2014/11/12 15:40 (GMT-07:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Bill, Many thanks for your careful perusal of the Texas Caver archive and fixing some errors. Was the missing issue you were looking for 1986 no. 2? It was not in the archive I downloaded, but it is in KIP, although in a strange fashion. Their issues for 1986 are not all in numerical order, and there is not one called no. 2. However there are two called no. 6, but the first one (April issue) is in fact no. 2. The confusion may stem from the fact that the issue itself says Vol. 31, No. 6; April, 1986, but it clearly isn't, and is different from the real no. 6 (December issue). George Veni - maybe you could call this to KIP's attention and have them fix the name of that file. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, November 12, 2014 2:43 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Lechuguilla Cave in 3D exhibit Nov 22 - Jan 10 :
Underground of Enchantment: Lechuguilla Cave -- experience the natural wonder of Lechuguilla Cave in 3D Carlsbad Museum and Art Center, Carlsbad, NM This excellent photo exhibit will be returning to the Carlsbad Museum and Art Center beginning on November 22nd. It was on display at the Carlsbad Caverns visitor center and has been traveling for some time. This exhibit gives the public a chance to glimpse the varied forms and geologic features all in 3D photographs and films. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] A new cave
I would like to claim title to an extraterrestrial cave - a talus cave on the comet in the news today. https://www.dropbox.com/s/9wi5kqdh7fhwz5p/IMG_20141112_173900_1.jpg?dl=0 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Yes, it was #2. It was not in the set that Mike provided links to, I'm pretty sure. It stands out pretty well in a folder display because it is the one with color cover. Perhaps Mike had not downloaded it, seeing it as a duplicate. But also it was a membership list issue, and I see indications that there was a conspiracy against those issues getting on the web, although it was not done consistently. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to hide the addresses and phone numbers in the 1997 members manual; see 1997 #1. But some membership list issues were there, and some are on the TSA web site in the members' area. In addition to the things I put in the link in the message you saw, I also scanned the TSA members manuals for 2005, 2007, and 2009. Those were distributed by the TSA but not as numbered issues of the Texas Caver. I figured I'd humor the people who had obviously hidden that info. I did send a link to those scans to TSA and TSS leaders so they could archive them. If you're interested, that link is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20secret.zip Now I have to go through all the Texas Cavers looking for maps that are not yet in the AMCS set on the web. I probably won't bother to add a Texas Caver credit at the bottom of the maps that are already on our web site; there would be an awful lot of them, because there was a good bit of duplication between the TC and the AMCS. It isn't easy to add a new line of text to an existing PDF. Hope I don't find too many maps in pre-1972 TCs that are bad because KIP used Veni's bound copies.-- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] extraterrestrial speleothems
I believe it was Dr. Halliday, that had a discussion about speleothems outside of caves. Here appears to be something that resembles a shield formation on the surface of the comet, comet 67p/churyumov-gerasimenko: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yxp9fp2ykz6psx/shield.jpg?dl=0 My guess is that it is 400 meters in diameter, plus or minus 100 meters. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Bill, If you have some maps that you need scanned for the AMCS, I have a complete set of TxCvrs that is essentially unbound. Jerry Atkinson jerryat...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Yes, it was #2. It was not in the set that Mike provided links to, I'm pretty sure. It stands out pretty well in a folder display because it is the one with color cover. Perhaps Mike had not downloaded it, seeing it as a duplicate. But also it was a membership list issue, and I see indications that there was a conspiracy against those issues getting on the web, although it was not done consistently. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to hide the addresses and phone numbers in the 1997 members manual; see 1997 #1. But some membership list issues were there, and some are on the TSA web site in the members' area. In addition to the things I put in the link in the message you saw, I also scanned the TSA members manuals for 2005, 2007, and 2009. Those were distributed by the TSA but not as numbered issues of the Texas Caver. I figured I'd humor the people who had obviously hidden that info. I did send a link to those scans to TSA and TSS leaders so they could archive them. If you're interested, that link is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20secret.zip Now I have to go through all the Texas Cavers looking for maps that are not yet in the AMCS set on the web. I probably won't bother to add a Texas Caver credit at the bottom of the maps that are already on our web site; there would be an awful lot of them, because there was a good bit of duplication between the TC and the AMCS. It isn't easy to add a new line of text to an existing PDF. Hope I don't find too many maps in pre-1972 TCs that are bad because KIP used Veni's bound copies.-- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
The Karst Information Portal crew went to the trouble of redacting certain information requested by TSA when TSA gave permission for the Texas Cavers to be posted. If the current officers wish the unredacted issues to be posted, that can be arranged but please note that this all takes effort and regular switching back and forth between redacted and unredacted versions is discouraged. If the current officers wish to make this change, please contact me off-post. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 2014/11/12 20:04 (GMT-07:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Yes, it was #2. It was not in the set that Mike provided links to, I'm pretty sure. It stands out pretty well in a folder display because it is the one with color cover. Perhaps Mike had not downloaded it, seeing it as a duplicate. But also it was a membership list issue, and I see indications that there was a conspiracy against those issues getting on the web, although it was not done consistently. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to hide the addresses and phone numbers in the 1997 members manual; see 1997 #1. But some membership list issues were there, and some are on the TSA web site in the members' area. In addition to the things I put in the link in the message you saw, I also scanned the TSA members manuals for 2005, 2007, and 2009. Those were distributed by the TSA but not as numbered issues of the Texas Caver. I figured I'd humor the people who had obviously hidden that info. I did send a link to those scans to TSA and TSS leaders so they could archive them. If you're interested, that link is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20secret.zip Now I have to go through all the Texas Cavers looking for maps that are not yet in the AMCS set on the web. I probably won't bother to add a Texas Caver credit at the bottom of the maps that are already on our web site; there would be an awful lot of them, because there was a good bit of duplication between the TC and the AMCS. It isn't easy to add a new line of text to an existing PDF. Hope I don't find too many maps in pre-1972 TCs that are bad because KIP used Veni's bound copies.-- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Carrizal
Sorry, that first Carrizal post was Pete Strickland, (I forgot I had to sign now). Fofo- What time of year did the Monterrey nubies get Histo? ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
Hey Pete! Oh, I can't remember, but it was probably during the summer since we had no newer cavers with us (and if we had gone during the time of eithe the spring or fall semester we would have had more people tagging along). - Fofo On 12/11/14 20:28, via Texascavers wrote: Sorry, that first Carrizal post was Pete Strickland, (I forgot I had to sign now). Fofo- What time of year did the Monterrey nubies get Histo? ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] the comet photos
I believe the photos that I posted were not taken by the lander but taken earlier by the orbiter. Here is another odd formation, which also appears to have been taken by the orbiter. Feel free to correct me. https://www.dropbox.com/s/l16im2nul01023x/formation.jpg?dl=0 Note the rectangular shapes. It could be stated that rectangular things randomly form in The Universe. This seems more interesting than Mars.I see out-of-this-world rock-climbing on some craggy cliffs. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
For those of you wondering if you have a complete set of Texas Cavers, attached is an Excel spreadsheet that documents all issues that were published. Also, if you are looking for information on a specific cave or caving area, the Texas Speleological Survey provides a downloadable and searchable bibliography of Texas caving (TexBib) on its website. Jerry Atkinson jerryat...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 12:43 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers TexasCaverMasterList.xls Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Austrian cave researchers find skeleton of skier :
Austrian cave researchers find skeleton of skier VIENNA Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:17am EST VIENNA (Reuters) - Cave researchers in Austria have stumbled across the skeleton of a skier who apparently fell to his death many decades ago. Geologist Georg Zagler made the grisly discovery last month while exploring the Alpine site on Untersberg peak near Salzburg. A recovery team brought out the remains on Wednesday, the Austria Press Agency reported. At first mistaking them for animal bones, Zagler realized his error when he found two boots and parts of a ski and pole. It was a leather shoe cobbled with nails and with thick iron spikes, probably 70 to 80 years old, APA quoted him as saying. He suspected the skier fell around 50 meters (150 feet) to his death. Police think snowmelt and runoff then washed his bones to a depth as low as 300 meters from the cave opening. Prosecutors ordered an autopsy but it was unclear whether the victim would ever be identified, police said. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/12/us-austria-cave-idUSKCN0IW1MH20141112 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
