Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek article

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Congratulations!
Carol

On Thursday, August 26, 2021, 03:16:50 PM EDT, Geary Schindel 
 wrote:  
 
  San Antonio Express News article on Honey Creek. State approves purchase and 
addition to Guadalupe State Park.  
https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Texas-Parks-Honey-Creek-Ranch-San-Antonio-16414142.php?sid=5ad9eeabcdb7ec63237d23b4_source=newsletter_medium=email_content=headlines_campaign=SAEN_210Report
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[Texascavers] International Year of Caves and Karst event

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On May 8 there will be a day of presentations in celebration of the 
International Year of Caves and Karst. For more information and the zoom link, 
please go to https://vacaveweek.com/iyck/index.html

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[Texascavers] Fw: NSS 2021 Convention - California!

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Hey cavers -

  

If you're curious about this year's NSS Convention, please read this and share 
with your grottos. It contains information you need to know...

This information is also available on our website at http://nss2021.caves.org

  

  

It's definitely been a long year of playing "what if", and we're not out of 
this pile of breakdown yet. But, for now, there appears to be light at the end 
of the passage.

  

As of today, here's where things stand...

  

Every 4 years, the International Union of Speleology (UIS) hosts an 
international conference on caving (the ICS). The National Speleological 
Society is a member of this global organization, and as a matter of protocol, 
we avoid scheduling our national conventions on the same dates as the 
international congress. The UIS international event is currently set for July 
26-30 in France.

  

The production team for this year's NSS Convention in Weed, California has been 
trying to move our event to later in the summer. This would give us a bit more 
time to allow the world to get back on its feet with respect to the pandemic. 
Unfortunately, the only other dates our host college could offer us are the 
exact same dates as the ICS conference in France.

  

The UIS held a meeting last Friday to discuss postponing the ICS to next year. 
International travel is expected to remain complicated for some time yet, and 
we're told the UIS is leaning towards postponing the ICS. While I was hoping 
they would decide that question at their meeting, it was tabled until their 
next meeting in March.

  

This leaves the 2021 NSS Convention in a strange position.

  

As of today, the 2021 NSS Convention is set for June 28-July 2 in Weed, 
California. BUT... IF the UIS postpones the ICS congress, we plan to move the 
NSS Convention to take those dates later in the summer. That extra month might 
be the "magic bullet" we need to hold a safe convention in California. We're 
hopeful that Covid-19 transmission rates will be controlled by the end of June, 
but having an extra month would be our better choice. Only time will answer 
that question.

  

If the UIS does not postpone, we plan to move forward with our current June 
dates in Weed and make a determination in late April about the overall 
feasibility of holding a live event or taking it virtual.

  

This is not the situation we want to be in right now. But, as you all know, 
this has been a difficult time for the world in general. We're encouraged by 
the fact that cavers are a tough crowd and can roll with these uncertainties. 
Rest assured that scientific facts and medical realities will guide us in 
resolving these questions as soon as possible. We have no intention of holding 
a live event if it remains unsafe to do so, but we want to give the world every 
chance to recover before making any final decisions.

  

I wish I could have shared better news, but we won't have solid details for a 
few weeks yet. We certainly hope to welcome you to the "first convention of the 
post-apocalypse" this summer in Weed, California!

  

  

Let's keep in touch.

  

  

Sincere regards,

  

Matt Bowers

Chair, 2021 NSS Convention

Weed, California

matt.bow...@caves.org

http://nss2021.caves.org

  

The decision timeline looks like this:

There are 2 scenarios here...

If the convention sticks with the June 28-July 3 dates, we will make a live vs. 
virtual decision in late April.

If the convention can successfully move to July 24-31, the live vs. virtual 
decision will be in late May.

Both of these decision dates will still give our caver guests almost 2 months 
to make alternate plans or cancel any travel reservations.

Please visit our website for up-to-date details on our Covid-19 strategy if we 
have a live event.

  

http://nss2021.caves.org

  
 

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Re: [Texascavers] WOWTAC LED Headlamp $13.99 on Amazon

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Is it a flood or spot light?
Carol

On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, 09:17:21 PM EST, Robert B 
 wrote:

 
 
 550 Lumens, Great headlamp - comes with a USB Rechargeable 18650 2600 mAh  
battery$13.99 is a good price

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Y552K27/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_1?smid=A2C6PNVCN407SP=1

There is a brighter version for 
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Re: [Texascavers] Help protect the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone

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I voted and sent it to the MAR & VAR to get more votes.
Carol



 

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 05:37:35 PM EDT, Ron Ralph 
 wrote:  
 
 Voted.Ron From: Crash Kennedy Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 4:07 PMTo: 
CaveTex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Help protect the Edwards Aquifer recharge 
zone Done!
 On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 4:04 PM Jon  wrote:

   In a geologic way this is cave related.  The San Marcos Greenbelt Alliance 
promotes purchasing environmentally sensitive land around San Marcos to protect 
the land by making it parkland with a greenbelt trail system. This land is 
mostly aquifer recharge zone.  Please consider helping them get this funding.  
See Below an excerpt from their newsletter: 
 Take 10 seconds (no joke) to help the San Marcos Greenbelt Alliance! The 
winner of this national voting process will receive $50,000 for their 
organization! This money will be used to expand and improve the local natural 
areas and trails. Sherwood is a founding member of the Greenbelt Alliance and 
has done so much for the community of San Marcos. We can’t thank him enough. Go 
Sherwood Go!!!
You can vote once from any email address by October 15th.

 https://www.coxconservesheroes.com/vote
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[Texascavers] Fw: HOT!! Petzl Rope RECALL - Read!

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Carol
 

-Original Message-
From: Bats 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2020 8:31 PM
To: NSS Vertical Section Secretary/Treasurer ; 
nssverticalsectio...@googlegroups.com; b...@starpower.net; Maureen Handler 
Cavers Paradise ; Geary Schindel NSS 
; Doug Moore KC8OWX Karst Sports ER-NCRC 
; ER-NCRC Info List 
; SIVTAC Cavers List 

Subject: HOT!! Petzl Rope RECALL - Read!

ALL,

HOT NEWS - just discovered!

Check your Petzl ropes before further use!  Especially serial numbers, purchase 
dates, etc.

You _do_ know which ropes you have, their IDs, and where & when you bought 
them, right?

Stay Alert!

Gene :)

Gene Harrison
NSS-9268  ^^(::)^^
Chair, NSS Vertical Section
b...@starpower.net

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cpsc.gov_Recalls_2020_petzl-2Drecalls-2Dsafety-2Dropes-2Ddue-2Dto-2Dfall-2Dand-2Dinjury-2Dhazard=DwIFaQ=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA=NkUfGUvTOhlqkprBTfgRDkSiRJYbHQpS-sxM3bbRtys=54w1CSbMvu6Hd911ph1i4Pl7FdKFGblBOg4kyS0Zwr0=JEoot5AMjRIBz8mQVfMQZLSUXBl2kM3cTwBfzkQRsTc=

ANOTHER...

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.petzl.com_INT_en_Professional_recalls_2020-2D7-2D21_Request-2Dfor-2Dinspection-2Dof-2DPetzl-2Dlow-2Dstretch-2Dkernmantle-2Dropes=DwIFaQ=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA=NkUfGUvTOhlqkprBTfgRDkSiRJYbHQpS-sxM3bbRtys=54w1CSbMvu6Hd911ph1i4Pl7FdKFGblBOg4kyS0Zwr0=GPSMSEuchmZpKcaAjKVq3qfOOKFJyqGyBK22jI4ReFs=

HANDY PETZL RECALL PAGES FOR OTHER ITEMS:

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.cpsc.gov_recalls-3Fcombine-3DPETZL=DwIFaQ=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA=NkUfGUvTOhlqkprBTfgRDkSiRJYbHQpS-sxM3bbRtys=54w1CSbMvu6Hd911ph1i4Pl7FdKFGblBOg4kyS0Zwr0=WsYfpuLfRpb9Pqf1Iw2ypXTrayYp8UC8u8jYLXDT0O4=

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.petzl.com_US_en_Sport_recalls=DwIFaQ=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA=NkUfGUvTOhlqkprBTfgRDkSiRJYbHQpS-sxM3bbRtys=54w1CSbMvu6Hd911ph1i4Pl7FdKFGblBOg4kyS0Zwr0=qfkaxYzbqmDkoObvdIXAeJFD_kNhWgrvVIDj4yPiZhE=


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Re: [Texascavers] Gypsum Mine

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The mine was abandoned in the early 1900s. The presence of a mine was not on 
any county land records. The houses were built in the 1990s. What the developer 
knew is unknown.
Carol

On Sunday, June 21, 2020, 12:43:53 PM EDT, John Brooks 
 wrote:

 
 
 Someone's professional liability coverage is about to take a big hit.


> On Jun 20, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Mark  wrote:
> 
> This is really bizarre! Fascinating story and great pics. Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Mark Ross
> 
> -Original Message- From: Mike Flannigan
> Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 3:53 PM
> To: Cavetex
> Subject: [Texascavers] Gypsum Mine
> 
> 
> 
> Cave, or mine, opens up in your front yard:
> https://www.boredpanda.com/sinkhole-south-dakota-black-hawk-old-gypsum-mine/
> 
> 
> Mike
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Re: [Texascavers] Roger Brucker speaking online tonight

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It was recorded. You may be able to access it from the grotto website.
Carol
 

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020, 08:48:05 AM EDT, Nancy  
wrote:  
 
 > Missed it. Any idea if the talks are recorded and avail afterwards?  Pretty 
 > sure Longest Cave was the first caving book I read - long ago 
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] Climate

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Kudos
Carol
 

On Friday, October 4, 2019, 01:25:32 AM EDT, Charles Loving 
 wrote:  
 
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Re: [Texascavers] Goodbye to Bill Mixon

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So sorry to hear this. RIP Bill
Carol 

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019, 8:34:56 PM EDT, Jocelyn Hooper 
 wrote:  
 
 I am sorry to have to say we have lost another caver friend.  Bill Mixon died 
this morning after a long battle with myasthenia gravis.  Peter Sprouse is 
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Re: [Texascavers] Another cave rescue is happening in Virginia

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No helmets, handheld flashlights. Went into the cave to camp overnight. Then it 
rained.
Carol 

On Sunday, April 28, 2019, 3:29:48 PM EDT, Lee H. Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
   
From:
 
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/28/us/virginia-cave-rescue/index.html
 
By Madeleine Thompson and Eric Levenson, CNN
 Updated 2:30 PM ET, Sun April 28, 2019 

 

 (CNN)Five men exploring a cave in southwest Virginia have become trapped 
inside, and authorities are working to get them out safely, according to Billy 
Chrimes, search and rescue coordinator for the Virginia Department of Emergency 
Management.
  Six men entered the cave on Friday at around 7 p.m. and planned to spend an 
extended amount of time exploring it, he said.  One of those men emerged from 
the cave Sunday morning around 2 a.m. He told authorities that the others were 
having difficulty getting out, Chrimes said Sunday. The man who escaped said 
that the other men were exhausted and were starting to have problems with 
hypothermia, according to Chrimes. The men are  not lost and aren't too far 
into the cave. The cave explorers did not have a lot of extra food or water, 
and Chrimes said the temperature underground is in the 50s. While that is 
comfortable under normal circumstances, it can cause problems with hypothermia 
when you're not active and moving.  The five men still in the cave are between 
the ages of 34 and 59. The one who escaped early Sunday morning was 22 years 
old, according to Emergency Management Coordinator for Russell County Jess 
Powers.  Powers said the group was planning to camp in the cave until Sunday, 
but a heavy downpour Saturday night made conditions muddy and wet and  likely 
contributed to their difficulties.  
Rescue will take hours
  Chrimes said that the rescue effort will likely take a considerable amount of 
time because of the small size of the cave. In addition, rescue  teams will 
have to get inside, assess the situation and report back because cell phones 
and radios don't work inside the cave. An extensive network of cave rescue 
teams have responded, with additional teams across the East Coast that have 
been put in standby in case  additional assistance is required, Chrimes said. 
"With cave rescue incidents this has the potential to extend to eight, to 12 
hours, depending on what all is involved with getting the subjects out, and it 
may even extend beyond that just depending on the circumstances," Chrimes said. 
"Certainly we're hoping for the best and that we can get them warmed up, get 
them moving, get them some energy back and get them out under  their own power, 
but we're still waiting to see what that situation will entail." Tony Smith, 
who owns a cattle ranch next to the caves, told CNN affiliate WJHL there are 
five big caves stretching for around nine miles below ground. The cave where 
the men are trapped is known as "Cyclops Cave" and is popular with explorers, 
though it is on private property. The cave has  a "bubble-like formation" 
inside known as the "eye" of the Cyclops, in which the group was planning to 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and NSS Convention

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There will be camping available under one of the big barns and under the 
bleachers.
Carol 

   On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 1:35:03 PM EDT, PRESTON FORSYTHE 
 wrote: 
 
 Looking fwd to the TN convention. But, remember reading no shade in the 
campground. OK with me because we are not in the campground during the day. 
Ernie may want a/c.
Preston,  in hot humid KY, and TN is very similar.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Nancy Weaver wrote:   
Ernie is interested in getting a ride to convention this June in Tenn.  He 
would like to car camp in campground. He is happy to cover transportation 
costs.  Please contact Nancy to talk details.  
cheers,
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] Waterproof boxes

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Don't forget cotton coveralls.
Carol 

   On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 3:44:42 PM EST, Logan 
 wrote: 
 
   Nancy, you will remember what we used before the availablity of sturdy 
waterproof boxes and dry bag--the military surplus metal ammo boxes.
 
Bill, if you ever lead another carbide trip, consider having people share the 
joys of carrying a heavy metal ammo box. The auditory experience of loud 
banging will go well with the olfactory experience of carbide, and add 
authenticity to the trip. Maybe a cheap ill-fitting fiberglass construction 
helmet. I guess Vietnam combat boots are no longer available. :-(  
Lowgun
 
 On 1/23/2019 8:11 AM, Nancy wrote:
  
 What is recommended for small waterproof box for things like cameras ?  
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Caving Ingenuity Required!

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and a counterweight.
Carol 

On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 5:02:18 PM EST, Scott Boyd 
 wrote:  
 
 Duct tape - several yards of it! It will also add padding to the outside of 
your helmet. 

Scott
scottd...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 3:36 PM Mallory Mayeux https://www.innermountainoutfitters.com/metal-flat-lamp-bracket/
and an old carbide light, and they wanted to go caving with their carbide lamp 
- but only for a weekend. After the weekend was over, they'd revert back to 
their normal LED headlamp. 
What would be the best way to mount a bracket on a helmet for the weekend - 
strong enough to keep your carbide on but easy enough to reconvert into a plain 
old helmet?
Ideas welcome!

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Re: [Texascavers] The Elf

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Does that mean he will fall off the shelf? Carol

  From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 To: Cavers Texas  
Cc: Charles Loving 
 Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Elf
   
He is too portly.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Dwight via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I don't think David would look very good in a diminutive little green elf suit 
. Though it is an interesting vision.

Dirtdoc
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Re: [Texascavers] cave tours in the news

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Given their advertising budget, a free review is a good thing. Carol

  From: Alex Sproul via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: Alex Sproul 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cave tours in the news
   
Hey, that's right next door to me, David! I'd give the reporter an B- for the 
article,mostly because 6 of the 10 photos were of their lunch, as was much of 
thepiece. But the description of the nation's oldest commercial cave was better 
thanaverage, which isn't saying much; we see some pretty hideous ones... 
Especiallyfrom flat-lander types like those Richmond folks. I doubt that it was 
directorGarrison who misspelled 'stalagtite' and 'stalacmite,' and he certainly 
wouldn'tdescribe the cave as 'gigantic.' George Washington surveyed nearby 
FountainCave on the property, and left his signature on the wall.
We locals are happy that the town of Grottoes has taken over management ofthe 
cave from the state, which wasn't doing much for it. Virginia Region cavershave 
an annual event there to help maintain the cave and the property.
Alex

On 2 Aug 2017 at 7:49, David wrote:
What grade would you give this reporter for the new story below ?  An "A+" 
??    Or an "F -" ??

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

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It is easier to blame the cavers than accept that we are not able to control a 
natural process.
The decon mandate makes it look like we are doing something and gives some 
folks the warm fuzzies.
Cleaning gear should be a normal process, kinda nice not dealing with the end 
result of wet muddy gear that was stuffed in a plastic bag and left there for a 
few weeks. Carol

  From: Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Cc: Geary Schindel ; 
"greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com" 

 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri
   
 Folks,    
While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.    Any thought out 
there in caver land.    Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org    From: 
Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of Galen 
Falgout via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Galen Falgout ; 
greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri    And make 
sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very bad 
there!     On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
 wrote: 
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] an idea for self-employment

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TSA might have an issue with that  Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: CaveTex  
Cc: David 
 Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:27 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] an idea for self-employment
   
I know a lot of cavers that would like to find a better job.
Here is an idea for a group of cavers to start their very ownenterprise, and 
get rich.  ( and use the $$ to buy a cave, or go cavingin China ).
Let tourist pay $$$ to stand on the edge of an airport runway ( as jet-planes 
are coming in ), 
and get blasted off on to a soft foam wall wearing velcro-suits.

All you would need are some helmets, goggles, a few velcro-suits anda foldable 
portable wall.
Eventually, you could build an "I-Fly" like room, but mounted sideways,or build 
some kind of giant sling-shot.

David Locklear( not on crack, and not Bockbeer, just stressed-out and 
stir-crazy bored out of my mind )
P.S.
The mechanic is pulling my old motor out of my Sequoia this afternoon,but he 
still has no idea what killed it.     Says it most likely a blown headgasket, 
or maybe timing chain slipped off or broke, both, or more.I have a VIN on the 
new motor, but not sure if I can get a history of thatwithout spending $.    I 
should have a free auto-check leftover, if I can rememberwhere I put the info 
from the spring of 2016.

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] RE: BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO

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Name brand sodas are supposed to be served whenever alcohol is.  Carol

  From: Phyllis Boneau 
 To: 
Cc: rckee...@cox.net; nssw...@yahoogroups.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
swrcav...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] RE: BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO
   
>From Wm's reply I conclude the concern is more about hard liquor.  If that is 
>the question, the motion should come right out and say no supplying hard 
>liquor instead of pussyfooting around about WHEN exactly alcoholic beverages 
>can be served instead of WHAT alcoholic beverages can be served.  (I dislike 
>beer and find a great lack of "coke" at convention gatherings.)
Did I miss a point here?
Phyllis Boneau




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Lee H. Skinner  wrote:

  All, 
  I see no problem with people bringing their own beer to the convention, and 
if it saves the NSS over $7500, I think that's all the better.  Thanks, 
William, for your reasonable explanation.
  
  Lee Skinner
  
  
 On 6/11/2017 8:48 PM, mcvittetoe via Southwestern Cavers of the National 
Speleological Society wrote:
  
   OOPS, I messed up on that last email. I ment to say. To all of you booze 
hounds out there. I don't like paying more for conventions that use more of 
something that I do not use!!! I feel that if you want booze at the 
convention you should pay for it! 
  Marion Vittetoe said that. 
   In a message dated 6/11/2017 4:26:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
rckee...@cox.net writes: 
   
Wm,   I am ashamed of you by trying to change the topic to “we’re so poor”. 
 This is a Convention budgeting issue, not an NSS dictating issue  … and 
especially after the BOG voted at the March meeting that NSS Conventions must 
budget for a profit.   The people at the Conventions are the movers and shakers 
of the NSS.  These are the very people who have made caves and the NSS their 
lives.  These are the people, who, after donating hundreds of hours each year, 
and many, many dollars, want to enjoy talking with their friends.   Everyone.  
Let’s make this clearer.  The NSS is not poor and this is our national 
Convention.  Go to the just published Secretary-Treasurer report at 
https://caves.org/nss-business /reports/1706/S-T-1706.pdf  Go to Attachment A 
which has all of the National Speleological Foundation (NSF) funds.   We have 
an Account Balance with the NSF of $3,157,393.52 (as of 3/31/2017).  That’s up 
$63,000 dollars over 3/2016, and this is after $80,000 was taken out of the NSS 
Endowment Fund.   The first time I ever heard of law enforcement being called 
for a fight at a Convention was 2011.  To bring this up as a reason is truly 
offensive.   The main point is mandating to Convention staffs is yet another 
reason why our NSS membership is going down.  Caving and Conventions were fun 
when we started caving. A BOG member needs to amend the motion to remove the 
sentence “No other alcoholic beverages will be provided.“  A non-second to the 
motion would be better.   I am not on the Texas Cavers list.  Could someone 
please forward this response to them?     Thanks,   Ray Keeler rckee...@cox.net 
623-523-1760     From: nssw...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nssw...@yahoogroups.co 
m] 
 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:53 PM
 To: nssw...@yahoogroups.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: RE: [NSSwest] BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO       
Ray, Ernie, & everyone (including Texas Cavers, since I see RD forwarded it 
there),   Ernie is correct – the beer budget alone would have been enough to 
put several conventions in the black (instead of the red). That said, I’m not 
opposed to beer (even though I don’t drink it myself).   The questions are: -   
   When is it “enough”? Should we just 30-35 kegs (more than OTR purchases, 
and that is designated a “party  event”, yet what was being budgeted for in an 
upcoming convention) and have it every night? I believe most would say “no, a 
couple of nights is more than sufficient”. -  When a fight breaks out, 
and it has several times (to the point of the police being called), are we  
responsible since we served it? Different laws in different 
states/municipalities/campuses make this a  nightmare to avoid. -  The 
main point I have below is not that the NSS wants to ban beer (we don’t), but 
that we will limit it  to the alcoholic beverages listed. There is a trend 
coming that wants to serve “hard liquor”, and the entire EC of the NSS is 
opposed to this. Just as we don’t object to the NSS buying beer & wine, we do 
object when it comes down to liquor with much higher alcohol content. I’ll buy  
my own, thank you. -  The cost of beer alone in a proposed Convention 
budget is $7,510. This does not include wine at the NSS  Awards Banquet, which 
is another $2,475, for a total of $9,985. This amount has easily broken 
Convention’s budgets all 

Re: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp

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That does seem to follow your pattern. 
Be safe  Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: David 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp
   
Carol, 
Thank you very much for that tip.   I was going to take the headlamp back for a 
refund.   I don't know how I overlooked that slider focus adjustment.
I will test the light pattern again tonight, but a brief test in daylight, the 
light pattern still appeared to be annoying except in the flood position.
It looks like it is best to put some sealant ( under the sliding mechanism ) 
and just push it all the way in permanently.
On a lighter note,
If I do not take it back for a refund, and if I make it to Rio Rancho, then it 
will get sold at the silent auction for about $ 10. 
My only option at the moment is to drive non-stop to the Howdy Party and turn 
around and drive back to Houston on Tuesday or Wednesday.   Does that sound 
familiar ??
David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp

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David .
You may find that the light adjusts by pulling the headpiece in and out rather 
than twisting left or right  Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: David 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 1:36 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp
   
I have stepped thru some kind of time-dimensional portal where everything and 
everyone around me in my close circles of work and family are totally 
incompetent and dragging me down like a cruise-ship anchor attached to a canoe 
on the ocean.
The remedy is to just say to yourself "f*** it," and rush to the store and 
purchase a new LED headlamp.
So I am now testing the Sure Bilt TE057-4AA.   Advertising 500 lumens with a 
dimmer setting.    I would recommend this for a backpacking trip, and some of 
the medium-size dry caves in Texas.
The battery pack is not even water-resistant, but is very easy to clean.   Some 
duct-tape might make it water-resistant.
The light pattern is not really adjustable.   It is ideal for small walking 
size passage only.
But it is readily available at AutoZone for $ 30 plus tax.
With 4 AA batteries, it may be the best headlamp under $ 33.
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[Texascavers] Fw: [SWR CAVERS] Conservation Tuesday Talks - Convention

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Conservation Tuesday Talks – 2017 NSS Convention Cave/Karst Conservation 
Management on Private and Public Lands Submit abstracts to we...@cunacueva.com  
   Deadline Saturday, April 1, 2017·   Inviting Cave or Karst Conservation 
talks on stewardship, cave management, or restoration –PowerPoints, 
Discussions, Panels, Workshops.·   Conservation Tuesday Talks include Cave and 
Karst Conservation on Federal Lands. Send Federal abstracts to 
rod_horrocks@nps.govLimit abstracts to 250 words or less. Include title of your 
presentation and authors’ names, professional affiliations, mailing addresses, 
and e-mail addresses. For later publication in the Journal of Cave and Karst 
Studies, abstracts must draw a conclusion or explain the upshot of your study 
or project in a concluding sentence.  
Plan for a 15-minute presentation 
(20-minute slots include question and transition time). Equipment will be 
available for PowerPoint presentations. For online details about sessions and 
abstracts, visit the NSS Convention Web site:  nss2017.caves.org/Please send a 
quick note of intention now. Let us know you want a slot.    Val 
Hildreth-Werker  we...@cunacueva.com  Val Hildreth-Werker & Jim C. Werker
NSS Conservation Division Chiefs
PO Box 207, Cuna Cueva Hwy 27
Hillsboro, NM 88042
home:  575-895-5050
cell:  575-740-0186
jimwer...@zianet.com
we...@cunacueva.com
www.caves.org/committee/conservation/
we...@zianet.com
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[Texascavers] Fw: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)

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He is alive and well. He is still caving. Helps on a lot of conservation 
projects, digs and region projects. He lives on the side of a mountain in 
Lexington, Virginia Carol

  From: Sam Young 
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:55 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun, not Thren
   
  I thought that perhaps Shrewsbury had misspelled the name.  I inquired and 
received this reply: Hi Sam,

It is Bob Thrun, of Maryland, and a caver who primarily pushed stuff in West 
Virginia.  Bob Thren, as you know, is another person.

Wm

Now, does anyone know whatever happened to Bob Thren?  He was from 
Pennsylvania, I think.
... Sam


 
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He is alive and well. He is still caving. Helps on a lot of conservation 
projects, digs and region projects. He lives on the side of a mountain in 
Lexington, Virginia Carol

  From: Sam Young 
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:55 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun, not Thren
   
  I thought that perhaps Shrewsbury had misspelled the name.  I inquired and 
received this reply: Hi Sam,

It is Bob Thrun, of Maryland, and a caver who primarily pushed stuff in West 
Virginia.  Bob Thren, as you know, is another person.

Wm

Now, does anyone know whatever happened to Bob Thren?  He was from 
Pennsylvania, I think.
... Sam


 
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Re: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun, not Thren

[C Tiderman]

He is alive and well. He is still caving. Helps on a lot of conservation 
projects, digs and region projects. He lives on the side of a mountain in 
Lexington, Virginia Carol

  From: Sam Young 
 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:55 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Bob Thrun, not Thren
   
  I thought that perhaps Shrewsbury had misspelled the name.  I inquired and 
received this reply: Hi Sam,

It is Bob Thrun, of Maryland, and a caver who primarily pushed stuff in West 
Virginia.  Bob Thren, as you know, is another person.

Wm

Now, does anyone know whatever happened to Bob Thren?  He was from 
Pennsylvania, I think.
... Sam


 
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[Texascavers] Fw: HELP Join Us for Underground Cave Cities of Central Turkey

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Cavers,
Summer is over and it is time for more webinars!!
We have a really intriguing webinar about HUGE ancient cave cities that will be 
presented by Trevor Parker. This will be an incredibly interesting and unusual 
webinar, please join us.

Please forward this to your groups and interested parties.

Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
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Underground Cave Cities of Central Turkey. Presenter: Trevor Parker
Join us for a webinar on Oct 06, 2016 at 8:00 PM CDT. Which is, 9PM EDT / 7PM 
MDT / 6PM PDT, please check your time zone for the correct starting time
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/5587082951673256196
Turkey, the area bridging Asia and Europe, has a long and amazing history. It 
has seen wars, peace, swelling empires, and crumbling governments.
One chapter from its long history was the creation of “cave cities”. For many 
years, people actually dug their homes underground. Entire cities were formed 
that branched off to create a sprawling underground civilization. This wasn't 
just one city, or even just a few in an area, this is hundreds if not thousands 
of cities that thrived underground. The numbers of these ancient cities were so 
numerous that more cities are still being discovered to this day.

In this webinar Trevor Parker will take you to Turkey on a trip through the 
country experiencing culture, history, geology, and exploring several of these 
cities.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.
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Re: [Texascavers] service for Charlie Yates Aug 27th

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Weed-Corley-Fish LakeTravis. 411 Ranch Rd. 620 South, Lakeway, TX 78734. 
512-263-1511 ... CarolTiderman

  From: Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] service for Charlie Yates Aug 27th
   
Does anybody have a better address than that? 
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:18 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 
Received from Jon Vinson, Sun Aug 14th

There is a small death notice in today’s Austin Statesman paper about 
Charlie.  It says “Charles M. Yates age 65 of Dripping Springs passed 
away Aug. 10, 2016.  Service Aug. 27, 10:00am at Weed-Corley-Fish Lake 
Travis Chapel, Lakeway, TX.”
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS convention Registration

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Ever convention is different. I have been to ones that are better than others, 
but I have never been to a bad convention.
The town is happy we are coming, unlike big towns that don't even notice we are 
there.
What make a convention great is seeing old friends and making new ones.
FYI the TS play on Thursday after the photo salon.
Lets all have a good week Carol

  From: mark gee via Texascavers <texascavers@texascavers.com>
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] NSS convention Registration
   
I feel the same pains and hope it goes well.markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:36 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
<texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
 

   I have asked the Registration Chairperson to please post the list of
registrants, so far to no avail. That list has traditionally been
published so that people could check who they might know that was coming
as well as that their own registration had been recorded properly.
Unfortunately it seems the organizers of this convention don't seem to
know much about the way NSS Conventions are typically organized. One
wonders whether they have ever been to one before. For example, they
scheduled a band other than the Terminal Syphons to play at the
Wednesday night Campground Party. :-(

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Tue, July 12, 2016 8:26 pm, C Tiderman via Texascavers wrote:
> Mark,
> You can get a lot of what you are looking for at the web site.
> Unfortunately, there is not a who's coming list.

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[Texascavers] : cool NSS convention

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Mark,
You can get a lot of what you are looking for at the web site. Unfortunately, 
there is not a who's coming list.
Registration - NSS 75th Anniversary Convention

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 Carol

  From: mark gee via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention
   
Have not heard where or how to get to the camp ground. When does registration 
start and where is the school or what ever it might be.  Am I missing 
something. Have not seen a list of those confirmed at the convention. Want to 
make sure they got my check 5 months ago. Can someone help. 
markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:59 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 A reminder to Texas cavers attending the NSS convention in Ely, Nevada, who 
haven't read all the poop about the convention: The average nightly low 
temperature this time of year is 48°. Be prepared.
-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] I'm back

[C Tiderman via Texascavers]

Glad it was a short stay. Carol

  From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 To: Cavers Texas  
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:32 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] I'm back
   
Back at home, pneumonia infection cured, but still weak. I'll deal with 
accumulated e-mails as time permits. -- Mixon

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Trollope, Barchester Towers

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Re: [Texascavers] wind turbines and caves

[C Tiderman via Texascavers]

David,
Add a little savory to your beans. It acts like beano but is way cheaper. Any 
grocery store will have it. Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:12 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] wind turbines and caves
   
In reference to Bill's post, My hunch is that the coal plants in China would be 
running either way and that they create much needed jobs there.The delivery of 
the blades is a one time event, as they can be repaired in the field.Diesel 
trains and boats have efficient motors, as do trucks, while simultaneously 
delivering a wide range of products which creates jobs.They most likely just 
need to mount a scarecrow on top of the wind-turbine.I see no reason a cave 
tour company could not use a wind-turbine to charge batteries for headlamps or 
to power lights in the cave.I would like to see a giant turbine mounted 
horizontally at ground-level and let hundreds of unemployed homeless people 
push it.It is too bad all these people exercising in fitness centers can not 
convert that energy wasted into electricity.   If I win the MegaMillions 
jackpot, I am going to fix that.I have been eating pork-n-beans all week to try 
to save money.   It is too bad that I can not convert all this new methane gas 
to power something.David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][Registration & Vendors]

[C Tiderman via Texascavers]

not "poles" Carol
  From: via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][Registration & Vendors]
   
What are "checks"?

Joe

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Those funny things called personal checks often work with the vendors, too.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Be sure to bring trade goods, cash talks.
>> Paradise Canyon is sheltered from cellular service by the canyon walls so 
>> don't expect credit card service at registration & vendors etc. Bring 
>> T-Shirts & trade goods for the Caver T's Tradin' Post.
>> There will be a carousel projector available at the slide show area too.
>> Bring your own grog cups and vittles kit.
>> There will be books for sale, caving organization meetings, mud wrestling 
>> and vendors needing cash.
>> 
>> 
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[Texascavers] Julia Germany

[C Tiderman via Texascavers]

Please contact me offline

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Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post

[C Tiderman via Texascavers]

David,

I have the same watercolor hanging on my wall. I suspect we both have one of 
many prints that were probably sold at the gift shop in the '50's.

 
Carol



 From: David via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:31 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Replies to various post
 


from David Locklear, so hit Delete Button now.
The funny thing about Don's post, is I consider him one of my best friends, 
which gives you an idea how many friends I have.
The solution to Don's predicament is for me to simply change my email name.  
Surely you can see I have drastically cut back on the use of CaveTex, but that 
is mostly because I have been swamped doing things indirectly related to caving.

Today, I found an awesome water-color painting of Luray Caverns in an antique 
store near Houston.
   https://www.dropbox.com/s/pedrm248j11sqg4/Luray-Caverns.jpg?dl=0
Anybody know the history of this?   I have not found out if it is just a print, 
or an original water-color, but assuming just one of a print of thousands.


I think most of the cavers who were dissing me last year, are now over it, and 
we are still friends.  To the best of my knowledge only one caver is on my 
sh*t-list, and nobody I know has heard from him in years.  I would still go in 
a non-vertical cave with him though.  I am pretty sure everybody else accepted 
my olive-branch, and all the bad vibes are fuzzy memories from the past.

I am still digging thru booty, a retired caver gave me, and found a pair of 
grey Jumars.  These will hopefully end up as a door-prize at a caving event, in 
the near future.  
Respectfully,
David Locklear
Semi-retired from arm-chair caving

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[SWR] Fw: Potential Listing of Tri-Colored Bats as endangered, and the possible ramifications

[C Tiderman]

Forwarded with permission

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: Dave West d...@bellatlantic.net
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:55 PM
Subject: Potential Listing of Tri-Colored Bats as endangered, and the possible 
ramifications
 

There has been concern raised about the potential federal  listing of 
the Tri-Colored Bat (TCB) as threatened or endangered and the perceived 
ramifications of that should it occur. Cavers, in my opinion, should not 
panic, not should they ignore, this possibility, which is sought by the 
Center for Biological Diversity (CBD).

First, we need to recognize that the TCB has been hit very hard by White 
Nose Syndrome (WNS). As responsible cavers, we should care about this. 
If you are not a responsible caver, go ahead and panic now. The fear is 
that if the TCBs are recognized as endangered, that all caves will be 
closed, a stated goal of CBD. There are many reasons this will not 
happen, even if the species is listed as endangered. First, and this is 
part of why the first attempt at listing the species failed, it is not 
known how many there actually are, because counts have not been 
uniformly conducted for the species, except as incidental to counts for 
other threatened or endangered species. The species is believed to be 
ubiquitous, and it is not known what percentage of the total population 
has been affected. It is only known that where WNS has been observed and 
mortality has been documented, the species has been hard hit. Second, it 
will not be possible to gate all caves where the species may now or 
might once have been present. Many of these caves are on private 
property. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife would be hard pressed to pursue 
court action against that many landowners, and since they do not know 
which caves are preferred by TCBs, they will not know which ones 
should be a priority. They will rely on responsible cavers to help them 
find out where their priorities should be, both on private and on public 
lands. And once that is established, they will rely on responsible 
cavers to assist them in monitoring compliance with any closures that 
occur. At least, that will be the case if we work with the agencies 
instead of giving them the usual knee jerk whine of don't close my 
favorite cave. That only works against us in the long run. Lastly, to 
justify a closing, it will need to be demonstrated that the species is 
currently residing in the cave. Cavers will be needed to assist in 
making that determination. They will not be able to justify closing a 
cave in the hope that bats they do not know might have been there 
might return. Fish and Wildlife will not support such action, even with 
threats from the CBD, because the law simply won't support it, and the 
government can't afford it.

The agencies are not really anxious to close the caves, and look to the 
caving community for assistance. When they do close caves in general, it 
is because they do not perceive any alternative. Let's try to provide 
those alternatives in a responsible manner.

-- 
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Re: [Texascavers] Download No place on earth

[C Tiderman]

Come to the 2013 Convention. It will have multiple showings


 
Carol



 From: Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; texas cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Download No place on earth
 


Careful: 
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/movieberrycom-do-not-and-i-repeat-do-not-even-consider-doing-business-with-these-lowlifes-c623723.html

At 6/4/2013 06:15 PM -0700, Louise Power wrote:

I was just looking for an old
movie which I wanted to download and ran across this site:
 
http://movieberry.com
 
Does anyone know anything about this site? I read through their faq and
some of their other stuff and they sound pretty reliable. 
 
One thing I noticed (in addition to the movie I was looking for) is the
fact that they're going to have No Place on Earth for
downloading or for viewing (Netflix, I think) soon. Just think, no more
50-mile trips to see it.
 
Let me know if you've dealt with them or know anything about the
business. Little concerned about dealing with a new company I don't know
anything about.
 
Louise

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Re: [Texascavers] Download No place on earth

[C Tiderman]

Come to the 2013 Convention. It will have multiple showings


 
Carol



 From: Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; texas cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Download No place on earth
 


Careful: 
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/movieberrycom-do-not-and-i-repeat-do-not-even-consider-doing-business-with-these-lowlifes-c623723.html

At 6/4/2013 06:15 PM -0700, Louise Power wrote:

I was just looking for an old
movie which I wanted to download and ran across this site:
 
http://movieberry.com
 
Does anyone know anything about this site? I read through their faq and
some of their other stuff and they sound pretty reliable. 
 
One thing I noticed (in addition to the movie I was looking for) is the
fact that they're going to have No Place on Earth for
downloading or for viewing (Netflix, I think) soon. Just think, no more
50-mile trips to see it.
 
Let me know if you've dealt with them or know anything about the
business. Little concerned about dealing with a new company I don't know
anything about.
 
Louise

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Re: [Texascavers] Download No place on earth

[C Tiderman]

Come to the 2013 Convention. It will have multiple showings


 
Carol



 From: Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; texas cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Download No place on earth
 


Careful: 
http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/movieberrycom-do-not-and-i-repeat-do-not-even-consider-doing-business-with-these-lowlifes-c623723.html

At 6/4/2013 06:15 PM -0700, Louise Power wrote:

I was just looking for an old
movie which I wanted to download and ran across this site:
 
http://movieberry.com
 
Does anyone know anything about this site? I read through their faq and
some of their other stuff and they sound pretty reliable. 
 
One thing I noticed (in addition to the movie I was looking for) is the
fact that they're going to have No Place on Earth for
downloading or for viewing (Netflix, I think) soon. Just think, no more
50-mile trips to see it.
 
Let me know if you've dealt with them or know anything about the
business. Little concerned about dealing with a new company I don't know
anything about.
 
Louise

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Re: [Texascavers] Cave applications for the new coating

[C Tiderman]

Inside port-a-johns at caver events.
 
Carol



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Cave applications for the new coating
 

Commercial caves could use this product to coat signs and plaques in caves.
And around utility rooms in caves, such as doors, doorknobs, railing, shelves, 
Underground equipment such as elevators. kitchens,  tables.
And on the man-made walls of tunnels.
Maybe cavers could coat their helmets with it ?  or the inside of their 
pee-bottle.  Or for expeditions, on their tarp.
Depending on the coating's flexibility, it might be good for coating rain-flys 
and nylon panchos, inflatable beds.
Other uses,
Better shower-caps ?  Coating tombstones, toilet seats ?   Ceilings above a 
shower stalll.   Rain-gutters.
Depending on the products sunlight exposure resistance.
, it could be used for outdoor stuff like playgrounds, boats, bleacher-seats, 
and thousands more.
David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Cave applications for the new coating

[C Tiderman]

Inside port-a-johns at caver events.
 
Carol



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:07 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Cave applications for the new coating
 

Commercial caves could use this product to coat signs and plaques in caves.
And around utility rooms in caves, such as doors, doorknobs, railing, shelves, 
Underground equipment such as elevators. kitchens,  tables.
And on the man-made walls of tunnels.
Maybe cavers could coat their helmets with it ?  or the inside of their 
pee-bottle.  Or for expeditions, on their tarp.
Depending on the coating's flexibility, it might be good for coating rain-flys 
and nylon panchos, inflatable beds.
Other uses,
Better shower-caps ?  Coating tombstones, toilet seats ?   Ceilings above a 
shower stalll.   Rain-gutters.
Depending on the products sunlight exposure resistance.
, it could be used for outdoor stuff like playgrounds, boats, bleacher-seats, 
and thousands more.
David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

[C Tiderman]

Periodically (about the time they hit the floor) the Park Service goes in there 
 knocks them all down. It does not take long for them to start growing back.
 
Carol



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; texas cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites
 
The DC field trip associated with the NSS BOG Preston mentioned was
actually under the Lincoln Memorial (not Washington Monument) and had
some formations several feet long, as I recall.
--Ediger

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Before their destruction several years back the Dallas North Central
 Caverns had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some
 urban caving sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing
 where concrete structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron
 pipe) in the same passageway. The formations there were pearl white to
 transparent and grew fast and long, up to 4 feet in length. Vandalism or
 pulse flooding took those out some time back, but last time I looked they
 seem to be growing back.

 
 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:06 PM
 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

 When the Rice Grotto was exploring the Caves of Houston, we found soda
 straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my
 slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally
 retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan
 my slides (if they don't come up with something better by then).

 Louise


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Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

[C Tiderman]

Periodically (about the time they hit the floor) the Park Service goes in there 
 knocks them all down. It does not take long for them to start growing back.
 
Carol



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; texas cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites
 
The DC field trip associated with the NSS BOG Preston mentioned was
actually under the Lincoln Memorial (not Washington Monument) and had
some formations several feet long, as I recall.
--Ediger

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Before their destruction several years back the Dallas North Central
 Caverns had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some
 urban caving sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing
 where concrete structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron
 pipe) in the same passageway. The formations there were pearl white to
 transparent and grew fast and long, up to 4 feet in length. Vandalism or
 pulse flooding took those out some time back, but last time I looked they
 seem to be growing back.

 
 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:06 PM
 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

 When the Rice Grotto was exploring the Caves of Houston, we found soda
 straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my
 slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally
 retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan
 my slides (if they don't come up with something better by then).

 Louise


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Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

[C Tiderman]

Periodically (about the time they hit the floor) the Park Service goes in there 
 knocks them all down. It does not take long for them to start growing back.
 
Carol



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com 
Cc: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; texas cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites
 
The DC field trip associated with the NSS BOG Preston mentioned was
actually under the Lincoln Memorial (not Washington Monument) and had
some formations several feet long, as I recall.
--Ediger

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 8:35 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Before their destruction several years back the Dallas North Central
 Caverns had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some
 urban caving sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing
 where concrete structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron
 pipe) in the same passageway. The formations there were pearl white to
 transparent and grew fast and long, up to 4 feet in length. Vandalism or
 pulse flooding took those out some time back, but last time I looked they
 seem to be growing back.

 
 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
 To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:06 PM
 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

 When the Rice Grotto was exploring the Caves of Houston, we found soda
 straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my
 slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally
 retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan
 my slides (if they don't come up with something better by then).

 Louise


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Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 31 Oct 2012 16:47:37 -0000 Issue 1657

[C Tiderman]

Hi Gil,

Thankfully that is not expected to be an issue this time. The local cavers have 
endorsed the convention


 Carol



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: b...@txstate.edu 
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 31 Oct 2012 16:47:37 - 
Issue 1657
 
The last NSS Convention scheduled for Ely got canceled under a lot of
controversy.
--Ediger

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Benjamin Schwartz b...@txstate.edu wrote:
 Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention in 2016
     20959 by: Matt Bowers

 ---

 Re: Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention in 2016 20959
 by: Matt Bowers

 Based on historical records, I think there must have been a typo made in the
 press release. That one line should perhaps read: ...Matt Bowers predicts,
 “a higher than average *precipitation* due to the 75th anniversary of the
 society in 2016.”

 Precipitation, participation. Easy to get mixed up. Either way, I'm looking
 forward to helping out a dry community in 2016.

 Benjamin

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 31 Oct 2012 16:47:37 -0000 Issue 1657

[C Tiderman]

Hi Gil,

Thankfully that is not expected to be an issue this time. The local cavers have 
endorsed the convention


 Carol



 From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net
To: b...@txstate.edu 
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: texascavers Digest 31 Oct 2012 16:47:37 - 
Issue 1657
 
The last NSS Convention scheduled for Ely got canceled under a lot of
controversy.
--Ediger

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Benjamin Schwartz b...@txstate.edu wrote:
 Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention in 2016
     20959 by: Matt Bowers

 ---

 Re: Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention in 2016 20959
 by: Matt Bowers

 Based on historical records, I think there must have been a typo made in the
 press release. That one line should perhaps read: ...Matt Bowers predicts,
 “a higher than average *precipitation* due to the 75th anniversary of the
 society in 2016.”

 Precipitation, participation. Easy to get mixed up. Either way, I'm looking
 forward to helping out a dry community in 2016.

 Benjamin

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Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[C Tiderman]

Hi,

i am trying to intrude on a local situation, but I was wondering if there is a 
way to install a debris diverter that would be set at an angle to the cave 
entrance to trap and channel material off to the side where it can be removed 
after a heavy rain?
 
Carol



 From: George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com
To: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com 
Cc: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
 

Washing out of park trails for a start.

I'm not talking about damage to a gate.  Any gate I've seen would just plug up 
with debris, restricting water flow and bat access.

Are you actually familiar with the situation?  Have you been there when it is 
raining heavily and flooding?  Have you been on any of the clean-up trips?

If someone has a solution, I'd be happy to hear it.  As a local resident, 
member of the MUD, and member of the TCC I'd be happy to champion one.  

If there is one.  I know just putting up the typical bat-friendly gate over the 
opening isn't going to work.  

George




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:

What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:


Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.

As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix.


George





On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:

Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
attractive nuisance.    Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
figurative) out.    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:


My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought about 
this problem for years.


Lots of water and debris flow through the entrance, and it is sometimes 
completely submerged during heavy rains.  It's a major drain for the area.


What kind of bat-friendly grate would you recommend that wouldn't keep 
plugging up with debris and cause flooding as well as blocking bat access?


George




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote:

Wow Mike,
 
Sure sounds like a decent bat friendly gate install would have saved you a 
great deal of public and caver goodwill and protected the cave a hell of a 
lot better. I hope other cave managers are taking note of the difficulties 
you are having and learning from them. 
 
Wes~
 



 From: mikewaus...@austin.rr.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:24:59 -0500

Subject: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update


Beck Ranch Cave Update
 
 
In 1999, the Texas Cave Conservancy entered into a cave management 
agreement with the Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District.  This  is one 
of the few caves under TCC management that does not have a cave gate.  The 
cave entrance was not gated in order for the bats to be able to enter and 
exit the cave.   A high quality nine- foot tall iron fence was build  to 
attempt to control access.  Local teenagers were using it for a party 
cave. The fence allowed us to greatly reduce the party traffic so we could 
protect the cave. 
 
    Today, locals continue to trespass and go into the cave.  
Texas cavers are going in without permission as well.  Both the locals and 
the cavers have been confronted by law enforcement and issued citations 
for trespassing.  In addition, the TCC has not been able to prevent the 
authorized caver groups from creating problems such as changing cloths in 
the parking lot of a public park.  Cavers in their underwear, and less, 
have made it difficult to keep cave open.
 
    As a result, all authorized trips will be for cave management 
activities such as cave clean up, the bi-annual monitoring, fire ant 
control and inspection, etc. These trips will be set up by the Texas Cave 
Conservancy.  We will host an annual cave clean up and restoration visit.  
The next clean up day will be Saturday -February 23, 2013. If you are 
interested in assisting us in conducting the cave management activities, 
send us your name in an e-mail to tcc-ca...@austin.rr.com    We will place 
you on the list and contact you prior to our work project.
 
    Further, the TCC would like to make it very clear to Texas 
cavers that steps have been taken to alert law enforcement 

Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[C Tiderman]

Hi,

i am trying to intrude on a local situation, but I was wondering if there is a 
way to install a debris diverter that would be set at an angle to the cave 
entrance to trap and channel material off to the side where it can be removed 
after a heavy rain?
 
Carol



 From: George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com
To: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com 
Cc: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
 

Washing out of park trails for a start.

I'm not talking about damage to a gate.  Any gate I've seen would just plug up 
with debris, restricting water flow and bat access.

Are you actually familiar with the situation?  Have you been there when it is 
raining heavily and flooding?  Have you been on any of the clean-up trips?

If someone has a solution, I'd be happy to hear it.  As a local resident, 
member of the MUD, and member of the TCC I'd be happy to champion one.  

If there is one.  I know just putting up the typical bat-friendly gate over the 
opening isn't going to work.  

George




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:

What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:


Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.

As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix.


George





On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:

Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
attractive nuisance.    Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
figurative) out.    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:


My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought about 
this problem for years.


Lots of water and debris flow through the entrance, and it is sometimes 
completely submerged during heavy rains.  It's a major drain for the area.


What kind of bat-friendly grate would you recommend that wouldn't keep 
plugging up with debris and cause flooding as well as blocking bat access?


George




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote:

Wow Mike,
 
Sure sounds like a decent bat friendly gate install would have saved you a 
great deal of public and caver goodwill and protected the cave a hell of a 
lot better. I hope other cave managers are taking note of the difficulties 
you are having and learning from them. 
 
Wes~
 



 From: mikewaus...@austin.rr.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:24:59 -0500

Subject: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update


Beck Ranch Cave Update
 
 
In 1999, the Texas Cave Conservancy entered into a cave management 
agreement with the Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District.  This  is one 
of the few caves under TCC management that does not have a cave gate.  The 
cave entrance was not gated in order for the bats to be able to enter and 
exit the cave.   A high quality nine- foot tall iron fence was build  to 
attempt to control access.  Local teenagers were using it for a party 
cave. The fence allowed us to greatly reduce the party traffic so we could 
protect the cave. 
 
    Today, locals continue to trespass and go into the cave.  
Texas cavers are going in without permission as well.  Both the locals and 
the cavers have been confronted by law enforcement and issued citations 
for trespassing.  In addition, the TCC has not been able to prevent the 
authorized caver groups from creating problems such as changing cloths in 
the parking lot of a public park.  Cavers in their underwear, and less, 
have made it difficult to keep cave open.
 
    As a result, all authorized trips will be for cave management 
activities such as cave clean up, the bi-annual monitoring, fire ant 
control and inspection, etc. These trips will be set up by the Texas Cave 
Conservancy.  We will host an annual cave clean up and restoration visit.  
The next clean up day will be Saturday -February 23, 2013. If you are 
interested in assisting us in conducting the cave management activities, 
send us your name in an e-mail to tcc-ca...@austin.rr.com    We will place 
you on the list and contact you prior to our work project.
 
    Further, the TCC would like to make it very clear to Texas 
cavers that steps have been taken to alert law enforcement 

Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update

[C Tiderman]

Hi,

i am trying to intrude on a local situation, but I was wondering if there is a 
way to install a debris diverter that would be set at an angle to the cave 
entrance to trap and channel material off to the side where it can be removed 
after a heavy rain?
 
Carol



 From: George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com
To: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com 
Cc: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update
 

Washing out of park trails for a start.

I'm not talking about damage to a gate.  Any gate I've seen would just plug up 
with debris, restricting water flow and bat access.

Are you actually familiar with the situation?  Have you been there when it is 
raining heavily and flooding?  Have you been on any of the clean-up trips?

If someone has a solution, I'd be happy to hear it.  As a local resident, 
member of the MUD, and member of the TCC I'd be happy to champion one.  

If there is one.  I know just putting up the typical bat-friendly gate over the 
opening isn't going to work.  

George




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:

What damage?  Isn't there a perimeter fence?   What is going past the fence 
that would damage a gate?  Are you saying that debris/trash ( now going in the 
ungated entrance) would be a greater problem if it didn't?    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:34 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:


Unfortuntely that's not a practical solution.  Not unless the MUD is willing 
to clean out the entrance and repair the flood damage after every big storm.

As a resident, I can tell you that's just not going to happen.  As an 
engineer I can tell you there is no easy fix.


George





On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp 
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote:

Any gate must be maintained.  Any cave in a dense residential area is an 
attractive nuisance.    Gate the cave and keep the trash (literal and 
figurative) out.    

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, George D. Nincehelser 
george.nincehel...@gmail.com wrote:


My house is less than a block away from the entrance, and I've thought about 
this problem for years.


Lots of water and debris flow through the entrance, and it is sometimes 
completely submerged during heavy rains.  It's a major drain for the area.


What kind of bat-friendly grate would you recommend that wouldn't keep 
plugging up with debris and cause flooding as well as blocking bat access?


George




On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM, wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com wrote:

Wow Mike,
 
Sure sounds like a decent bat friendly gate install would have saved you a 
great deal of public and caver goodwill and protected the cave a hell of a 
lot better. I hope other cave managers are taking note of the difficulties 
you are having and learning from them. 
 
Wes~
 



 From: mikewaus...@austin.rr.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:24:59 -0500

Subject: [Texascavers] Beck Ranch Cave Update


Beck Ranch Cave Update
 
 
In 1999, the Texas Cave Conservancy entered into a cave management 
agreement with the Brushy Creek Municipal Utility District.  This  is one 
of the few caves under TCC management that does not have a cave gate.  The 
cave entrance was not gated in order for the bats to be able to enter and 
exit the cave.   A high quality nine- foot tall iron fence was build  to 
attempt to control access.  Local teenagers were using it for a party 
cave. The fence allowed us to greatly reduce the party traffic so we could 
protect the cave. 
 
    Today, locals continue to trespass and go into the cave.  
Texas cavers are going in without permission as well.  Both the locals and 
the cavers have been confronted by law enforcement and issued citations 
for trespassing.  In addition, the TCC has not been able to prevent the 
authorized caver groups from creating problems such as changing cloths in 
the parking lot of a public park.  Cavers in their underwear, and less, 
have made it difficult to keep cave open.
 
    As a result, all authorized trips will be for cave management 
activities such as cave clean up, the bi-annual monitoring, fire ant 
control and inspection, etc. These trips will be set up by the Texas Cave 
Conservancy.  We will host an annual cave clean up and restoration visit.  
The next clean up day will be Saturday -February 23, 2013. If you are 
interested in assisting us in conducting the cave management activities, 
send us your name in an e-mail to tcc-ca...@austin.rr.com    We will place 
you on the list and contact you prior to our work project.
 
    Further, the TCC would like to make it very clear to Texas 
cavers that steps have been taken to alert law enforcement 

Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention

[C Tiderman]

The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. 
Their presentation was very impressive.
 
Carol



 From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Dwight Deal dirt...@comcast.net; 
Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
 

 
Future NSS Convention Schedule.
 
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
 
2014-Huntsville, AL
 
2015-Rolla, Missouri
 
2016-Ely, Nevada.
 
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board 
had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that 
east and west are relative.
 
 
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and 
Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, 
including sound effects. 
 
 
Preston in Outer Browder
 
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- Original Message - 
From: Louise Power 
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan  McNatt 
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of  the NSS Convention - one experience


DD and all,
 
Sounds like all the more reason to have 
  the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain 
  over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but 
  this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the 
end 
  of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). 
 
Isn't the NSS slogan: 
  Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by 
  all.
 
Louise
 



 

Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention

[C Tiderman]

It is still my goal to rotate the sites, but the BOG has the final say (as you 
saw this year).

The biggest problem with the rotation is finding hosts. I still hope we can 
have a convention in Flagstaff one day. It was a good site, I just need people 
the region will accept to be the host group.

Seeing different parts of the country, I have not been to before, is one of the 
pluses to going to convention.

 
Carol



 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: cti...@ymail.com; Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net; Dwight Deal 
dirt...@comcast.net; Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
 

 
Hi Carol,

Here's what I sent to Preston:

Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked 
there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! 
 
Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative 
if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the 
convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next 
year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a 
good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, 
with the price of gas...
 
Thanks for the info.
 
Louise




Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700
From: cti...@ymail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; 
lmcn...@austin.rr.com
CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com


The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. 
Their presentation was very impressive.
 
Carol



 From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Dwight Deal dirt...@comcast.net; 
Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
 

 
Future NSS Convention Schedule.
 
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
 
2014-Huntsville, AL
 
2015-Rolla, Missouri
 
2016-Ely, Nevada.
 
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board 
had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that 
east and west are relative.
 
 
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and 
Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, 
including sound effects. 
 
 
Preston in Outer Browder
 
-
- Original Message - 
From: Louise Power 
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan  McNatt 
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of  the NSS Convention - one experience


DD and all,
 
Sounds like all the more reason to have 
  the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain 
  over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but 
  this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the 
end 
  of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). 
 
Isn't the NSS slogan: 
  Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by 
  all.
 
Louise
 



 

Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention

[C Tiderman]

The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. 
Their presentation was very impressive.
 
Carol



 From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Dwight Deal dirt...@comcast.net; 
Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
 

 
Future NSS Convention Schedule.
 
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
 
2014-Huntsville, AL
 
2015-Rolla, Missouri
 
2016-Ely, Nevada.
 
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board 
had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that 
east and west are relative.
 
 
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and 
Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, 
including sound effects. 
 
 
Preston in Outer Browder
 
-
- Original Message - 
From: Louise Power 
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan  McNatt 
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of  the NSS Convention - one experience


DD and all,
 
Sounds like all the more reason to have 
  the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain 
  over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but 
  this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the 
end 
  of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). 
 
Isn't the NSS slogan: 
  Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by 
  all.
 
Louise
 



 

Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention

[C Tiderman]

It is still my goal to rotate the sites, but the BOG has the final say (as you 
saw this year).

The biggest problem with the rotation is finding hosts. I still hope we can 
have a convention in Flagstaff one day. It was a good site, I just need people 
the region will accept to be the host group.

Seeing different parts of the country, I have not been to before, is one of the 
pluses to going to convention.

 
Carol



 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: cti...@ymail.com; Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net; Dwight Deal 
dirt...@comcast.net; Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
 

 
Hi Carol,

Here's what I sent to Preston:

Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked 
there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! 
 
Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative 
if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the 
convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next 
year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a 
good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, 
with the price of gas...
 
Thanks for the info.
 
Louise




Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700
From: cti...@ymail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; 
lmcn...@austin.rr.com
CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com


The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. 
Their presentation was very impressive.
 
Carol



 From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Dwight Deal dirt...@comcast.net; 
Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
 

 
Future NSS Convention Schedule.
 
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
 
2014-Huntsville, AL
 
2015-Rolla, Missouri
 
2016-Ely, Nevada.
 
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board 
had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that 
east and west are relative.
 
 
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and 
Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, 
including sound effects. 
 
 
Preston in Outer Browder
 
-
- Original Message - 
From: Louise Power 
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan  McNatt 
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of  the NSS Convention - one experience


DD and all,
 
Sounds like all the more reason to have 
  the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain 
  over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but 
  this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the 
end 
  of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). 
 
Isn't the NSS slogan: 
  Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by 
  all.
 
Louise
 



 

Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention

[C Tiderman]

The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. 
Their presentation was very impressive.
 
Carol



 From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Dwight Deal dirt...@comcast.net; 
Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
 

 
Future NSS Convention Schedule.
 
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
 
2014-Huntsville, AL
 
2015-Rolla, Missouri
 
2016-Ely, Nevada.
 
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board 
had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that 
east and west are relative.
 
 
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and 
Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, 
including sound effects. 
 
 
Preston in Outer Browder
 
-
- Original Message - 
From: Louise Power 
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan  McNatt 
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of  the NSS Convention - one experience


DD and all,
 
Sounds like all the more reason to have 
  the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain 
  over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but 
  this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the 
end 
  of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). 
 
Isn't the NSS slogan: 
  Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by 
  all.
 
Louise
 



 

Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention

[C Tiderman]

It is still my goal to rotate the sites, but the BOG has the final say (as you 
saw this year).

The biggest problem with the rotation is finding hosts. I still hope we can 
have a convention in Flagstaff one day. It was a good site, I just need people 
the region will accept to be the host group.

Seeing different parts of the country, I have not been to before, is one of the 
pluses to going to convention.

 
Carol



 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: cti...@ymail.com; Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net; Dwight Deal 
dirt...@comcast.net; Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention
 

 
Hi Carol,

Here's what I sent to Preston:

Whoop de doo! Ely is close (or at least closer than all the others). I worked 
there for almost 10 years. Love the area. Good excuse to go back! 
 
Actually, I have to disagree with the board. East and west are only relative 
if you have money or don't have to travel 2000 miles. Used to be the 
convention would be on one side of the country one year; mid-country the next 
year; and the other side of the country the next year. I thought that was a 
good plan. You could generally make it to one or two in a 3-year period. Now, 
with the price of gas...
 
Thanks for the info.
 
Louise




Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 13:31:41 -0700
From: cti...@ymail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
To: pns_...@bellsouth.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; dirt...@comcast.net; 
lmcn...@austin.rr.com
CC: s...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com


The Ely bid was presented but cannot be voted on until the next BOG meeting. 
Their presentation was very impressive.
 
Carol



 From: Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.net
To: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com; Dwight Deal dirt...@comcast.net; 
Logan McNatt lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
Cc: s...@caver.net; Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Aftermath of the NSS Convention 
 

 
Future NSS Convention Schedule.
 
2013-Shippensburg, Penn., near Carlisle
 
2014-Huntsville, AL
 
2015-Rolla, Missouri
 
2016-Ely, Nevada.
 
Believe that is the plan voted on by the board. The board 
had a discussion about having three conventions in the east, but decided that 
east and west are relative.
 
 
By the way at the next UTG Grotto meeting ask Pete and 
Gill to describe the moment the squall line hit the Lewisburg campground, 
including sound effects. 
 
 
Preston in Outer Browder
 
-
- Original Message - 
From: Louise Power 
To: Dwight Deal ; Logan  McNatt 
Cc: s...@caver.net ; Texas Cavers 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Aftermath of  the NSS Convention - one experience


DD and all,
 
Sounds like all the more reason to have 
  the next one in Oregon. This year it's in the hi 70s to mid 80s. We had rain 
  over the weekend and it's in the 50s at nite. Not every year, mind you, but 
  this year. Of course the first of July, it goes to 90 and higher until the 
end 
  of fire season (some time in Aug or Sep). 
 
Isn't the NSS slogan: 
  Be prepared, but have fun! ? Sounds like an interesting time was had by 
  all.
 
Louise
 



 

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[Texascavers] Executive VP

[C Tiderman]

Hi folks,

We will have a vacancy in this position this year and we are in need of 
candidates  The candidate needs to have printing  publication experience.

The Executive Vice President (EVP) serves as a member of the Society's 
Executive Committee and is primarily responsible for the NSS periodical  
publications, research, science, exploration and special publications  branches 
of the Society.    The EVP works with the Secretary-Treasurer (S-T) to develop 
and 
manage the department's budget to ensure fiscal responsibility for the 
publications and committees within the EVP department. The EVP is also 
responsible for managing committees assigned to the EVP department by the Board 
of Governors.  The EVP carries out other duties as may be delegated by the 
Board 
of Governors. 

If you are willing to run or have a candidate to suggest, please send a note to 
execsea...@caves.org 

Thanks

Carol Tiderman

[Texascavers] Executive VP

[C Tiderman]

Hi folks,

We will have a vacancy in this position this year and we are in need of 
candidates  The candidate needs to have printing  publication experience.

The Executive Vice President (EVP) serves as a member of the Society's 
Executive Committee and is primarily responsible for the NSS periodical  
publications, research, science, exploration and special publications  branches 
of the Society.    The EVP works with the Secretary-Treasurer (S-T) to develop 
and 
manage the department's budget to ensure fiscal responsibility for the 
publications and committees within the EVP department. The EVP is also 
responsible for managing committees assigned to the EVP department by the Board 
of Governors.  The EVP carries out other duties as may be delegated by the 
Board 
of Governors. 

If you are willing to run or have a candidate to suggest, please send a note to 
execsea...@caves.org 

Thanks

Carol Tiderman

[Texascavers] NSS Vice Presidents

[C Tiderman]

Hello,

The Executive Search Committee is looking for candidates to run for the three 
vice president positions at the 2012 Convention. If you are interested in 
running or can suggest the name of someone, who would be a good candidate, 
please send an email to execsea...@caves.org.

For information on the officers duties please go to:   
http://www.caves.org/info/execsearch/


Thanks

 
Carol

Carol Tiderman

[Texascavers] NSS Vice Presidents

[C Tiderman]

Hello,

The Executive Search Committee is looking for candidates to run for the three 
vice president positions at the 2012 Convention. If you are interested in 
running or can suggest the name of someone, who would be a good candidate, 
please send an email to execsea...@caves.org.

For information on the officers duties please go to:   
http://www.caves.org/info/execsearch/


Thanks

 
Carol

Carol Tiderman

[Texascavers] NSS Vice Presidents

[C Tiderman]

Hello,

The Executive Search Committee is looking for candidates to run for the three 
vice president positions at the 2012 Convention. If you are interested in 
running or can suggest the name of someone, who would be a good candidate, 
please send an email to execsea...@caves.org.

For information on the officers duties please go to:   
http://www.caves.org/info/execsearch/


Thanks

 
Carol

Carol Tiderman

[Texascavers] Fw: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: Meredith Hall Johnson mereca...@yahoo.com
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!
 

Hi NSS Members,
 
The 2012 NSS Members Manual will be
published in April, which means we will be taking the “snapshot” of the
membership database THIS FRIDAY! Yes, that means February 24, 2012. 
 
If your information is incorrect, please go to 
https://secure.caves.org/nssapps/changeinfo.shtml and update your information. 
It is your responsibility to keep this current.
If, by chance, someone in your grotto does not have e‑mail access, he or she
can call the NSS Office at 256-852-1300. 
 
Remember, too, that this year we are voting electronically
for Directors on the Board of Governors, so please be sure your information 
includes a valid e‑mail address. While
you can still ask for a paper ballot to be mailed, we’re doing this to save the
Society money.
 
To sum up, check today whether your information in the NSS
database is correct, current, and includes a valid e‑mail address. If you don’t
do this before Friday, your information will be wrong in the printed Members 
Manual. And then how would your
friends find you?
 
If you are not an NSS member, now would be a great time to
join—you’ll get into the next issue of the Members
Manual!
 
Thanks,
Meredith Hall Weberg
2012 NSS Members Manual Editor

Please forward to caver, grotto, and region listservs. Thanks!

[Texascavers] Fw: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: Meredith Hall Johnson mereca...@yahoo.com
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!
 

Hi NSS Members,
 
The 2012 NSS Members Manual will be
published in April, which means we will be taking the “snapshot” of the
membership database THIS FRIDAY! Yes, that means February 24, 2012. 
 
If your information is incorrect, please go to 
https://secure.caves.org/nssapps/changeinfo.shtml and update your information. 
It is your responsibility to keep this current.
If, by chance, someone in your grotto does not have e‑mail access, he or she
can call the NSS Office at 256-852-1300. 
 
Remember, too, that this year we are voting electronically
for Directors on the Board of Governors, so please be sure your information 
includes a valid e‑mail address. While
you can still ask for a paper ballot to be mailed, we’re doing this to save the
Society money.
 
To sum up, check today whether your information in the NSS
database is correct, current, and includes a valid e‑mail address. If you don’t
do this before Friday, your information will be wrong in the printed Members 
Manual. And then how would your
friends find you?
 
If you are not an NSS member, now would be a great time to
join—you’ll get into the next issue of the Members
Manual!
 
Thanks,
Meredith Hall Weberg
2012 NSS Members Manual Editor

Please forward to caver, grotto, and region listservs. Thanks!

[Texascavers] Fw: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: Meredith Hall Johnson mereca...@yahoo.com
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: 2012 NSS Members Manual Database SNAPSHOT To Be Taken Friday 2/24!!!
 

Hi NSS Members,
 
The 2012 NSS Members Manual will be
published in April, which means we will be taking the “snapshot” of the
membership database THIS FRIDAY! Yes, that means February 24, 2012. 
 
If your information is incorrect, please go to 
https://secure.caves.org/nssapps/changeinfo.shtml and update your information. 
It is your responsibility to keep this current.
If, by chance, someone in your grotto does not have e‑mail access, he or she
can call the NSS Office at 256-852-1300. 
 
Remember, too, that this year we are voting electronically
for Directors on the Board of Governors, so please be sure your information 
includes a valid e‑mail address. While
you can still ask for a paper ballot to be mailed, we’re doing this to save the
Society money.
 
To sum up, check today whether your information in the NSS
database is correct, current, and includes a valid e‑mail address. If you don’t
do this before Friday, your information will be wrong in the printed Members 
Manual. And then how would your
friends find you?
 
If you are not an NSS member, now would be a great time to
join—you’ll get into the next issue of the Members
Manual!
 
Thanks,
Meredith Hall Weberg
2012 NSS Members Manual Editor

Please forward to caver, grotto, and region listservs. Thanks!

[Texascavers] elections

[C Tiderman]

Hello,


I am Carol Tiderman and I am running for my second term as a Director of the 
NSS and I would appreciate your support.

Very soon you will be able to go to the NSS homepage, click on elections and 
see the platforms for all the candidates.

In March you will have the opportunity to participate in the first electronic 
voting for NSS Directors. Yes, there will be provisions for a printed copy. You 
will be receiving an e-mail with details on the election process.

I encourage you to read the platforms and to take advantage of the opportunity 
to vote to fill 5 director seats. 

Thank you
 
Carol

[Texascavers] elections

[C Tiderman]

Hello,


I am Carol Tiderman and I am running for my second term as a Director of the 
NSS and I would appreciate your support.

Very soon you will be able to go to the NSS homepage, click on elections and 
see the platforms for all the candidates.

In March you will have the opportunity to participate in the first electronic 
voting for NSS Directors. Yes, there will be provisions for a printed copy. You 
will be receiving an e-mail with details on the election process.

I encourage you to read the platforms and to take advantage of the opportunity 
to vote to fill 5 director seats. 

Thank you
 
Carol

[Texascavers] elections

[C Tiderman]

Hello,


I am Carol Tiderman and I am running for my second term as a Director of the 
NSS and I would appreciate your support.

Very soon you will be able to go to the NSS homepage, click on elections and 
see the platforms for all the candidates.

In March you will have the opportunity to participate in the first electronic 
voting for NSS Directors. Yes, there will be provisions for a printed copy. You 
will be receiving an e-mail with details on the election process.

I encourage you to read the platforms and to take advantage of the opportunity 
to vote to fill 5 director seats. 

Thank you
 
Carol

[Texascavers] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts Music Salon Deadlines!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: cady soukup cadyasou...@gmail.com
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: NSS Convention: Arts  Music Salon Deadlines!
 
Please distribute widely - Deadlines Approach!

In addition to the usual ten salons, there will be a new Crafts Salon,
display-only for this, its first year. For more information, please
contact Carolina Shrewsbury (fineartssa...@caves.org) or Kriste
Lindberg (kriste.lindb...@gmail.com).

The Fine Arts Salon is again offering its wonderful workshops. For
more information, look at the NSS MayaCon web site http://nss2012.com/

Thank you all,
Cady Soukup
NSS Salon Committee Co-Chair


2012 NSS Convention: Art  Music Salons
The NSS Art  Music Salons promote and recognize excellent
cave-related art, artists, and musicians. NSS Salons are open to
everyone; those who enter need not be members of the NSS.

CARTOGRAPHIC MAPS. Cave and karst-related maps
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Cartographic.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012. Convention: 9am Monday, June 25, 2012.
Mailed to Chair (label package clearly “Cartographic Salon”) to arrive
no later than June 1, 2012 (Jim Kennedy
3406 Catalina Drive
Austin, TX
78741-7041 
512-663-2287); delivered to the Cartographic Salon display
area at the NSS Convention by 9am Monday, June 25, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/cartoentry.pdf‚
MORE INFORMATION: Judging criteria and a history of the salon at the
Survey and Cartography Section website (
http://www.caves.org/section/sacs/ ). Contact Jim at
cartsa...@caves.org.

CAVE BALLADS. Cave-related songs and music
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/ballads/Cave%20Ballad.shtml
DEADLINE: May 15, 2012.
Entries must be sent to Barbara am Ende no later than May 15, 2012
(43465 Laidlow St, South Riding, VA 20152).
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Barbara at balladsa...@caves.org or (703) 909-6550.

COVER ART. Printed cave publication covers
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Cover%20Art.shtml
DEADLINE: March 25, 2012.
All entries must be mailed to Brian Killingbeck (316 Tremont St., Apt
2, Chattanooga,TN 37405), with Entry Form, and received no later than
March 25, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/coverentry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Brian at coverartsa...@caves.org.

FINE ARTS. Topography/Cartography in Speleology
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/finearts/Fine%20Arts.shtml
DEADLINE: Entry Forms: June 1, 2012. Artwork (after acceptance only,
please): Shipped/Delivered to Convention by 5pm June 23, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: 
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/finearts/FineArtsEntryFormAlex.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Carolina at fineartsa...@caves.org

MULTIMEDIA PROGRAMS. Multiple image computer programs
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/MultiMedia.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012.
All entries must be sent to Dave Bunnell, P.O. Box 879, Angels Camp,
CA 95222 no later than June 1, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/multientry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Please contact Dave at multimediasa...@caves.org

PRINTS. Photographic prints
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Print.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012. NSS Convention: Sunday, June 24, 2012
before 10 a.m.
All entries must be delivered to Print Salon area on Saturday, June
23d between 9am-5pm, or on Sunday, June 24th between 8-10:00am at the
NSS Convention Print Salon exhibition area, or mailed so that we
receive it before June 1st (contact Pat Seiser at printsa...@caves.org
or call 505-292-5793).  Please include your email address on the
outside of the package so that we can let you know by email that your
package has arrived.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/printentry.pdf
SALES AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: For questions concerning entries or
sales of prints, please e-mail Pat Seiser at printsa...@caves.org or
call 505-292-5793. If you have trouble with the deadline, please
contact Pat before June 1st, 2012.

PHOTOS. Photographic slides  digital images
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Slide.shtml
DEADLINE: March 30, 2012.
All entries mailed to Cady Soukup (P.O. Box 600 Flint Hill VA
22627-0600; 540-522-8631; c...@mindwrap.com) to arrive no later than
March 30, 2012. If you cannot make the deadline, please contact Cady
before March 30.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/photoentry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Ray Cole / Cady Soukup at photosa...@caves.org.

SYMBOLIC EMBLEMS. Patches, decals, pins, etc related to caves or caving.
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Symbolic%20Emblems.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 16, 2012. NSS Convention: Saturday noon, June 16, 2012.
All entries must be mailed to Kim Fleischmann (115 Stoneleigh Road,
Bel Air, MD 21014, USA) to arrive no later than Saturday, June 16,
2012, or delivered to Kim at the display area by 12:00 PM Sunday, June
24, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: Available at NSS Convention Symbolic Emblems display area,
or: 

[Texascavers] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts Music Salon Deadlines!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: cady soukup cadyasou...@gmail.com
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: NSS Convention: Arts  Music Salon Deadlines!
 
Please distribute widely - Deadlines Approach!

In addition to the usual ten salons, there will be a new Crafts Salon,
display-only for this, its first year. For more information, please
contact Carolina Shrewsbury (fineartssa...@caves.org) or Kriste
Lindberg (kriste.lindb...@gmail.com).

The Fine Arts Salon is again offering its wonderful workshops. For
more information, look at the NSS MayaCon web site http://nss2012.com/

Thank you all,
Cady Soukup
NSS Salon Committee Co-Chair


2012 NSS Convention: Art  Music Salons
The NSS Art  Music Salons promote and recognize excellent
cave-related art, artists, and musicians. NSS Salons are open to
everyone; those who enter need not be members of the NSS.

CARTOGRAPHIC MAPS. Cave and karst-related maps
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Cartographic.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012. Convention: 9am Monday, June 25, 2012.
Mailed to Chair (label package clearly “Cartographic Salon”) to arrive
no later than June 1, 2012 (Jim Kennedy
3406 Catalina Drive
Austin, TX
78741-7041 
512-663-2287); delivered to the Cartographic Salon display
area at the NSS Convention by 9am Monday, June 25, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/cartoentry.pdf‚
MORE INFORMATION: Judging criteria and a history of the salon at the
Survey and Cartography Section website (
http://www.caves.org/section/sacs/ ). Contact Jim at
cartsa...@caves.org.

CAVE BALLADS. Cave-related songs and music
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/ballads/Cave%20Ballad.shtml
DEADLINE: May 15, 2012.
Entries must be sent to Barbara am Ende no later than May 15, 2012
(43465 Laidlow St, South Riding, VA 20152).
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Barbara at balladsa...@caves.org or (703) 909-6550.

COVER ART. Printed cave publication covers
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Cover%20Art.shtml
DEADLINE: March 25, 2012.
All entries must be mailed to Brian Killingbeck (316 Tremont St., Apt
2, Chattanooga,TN 37405), with Entry Form, and received no later than
March 25, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/coverentry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Brian at coverartsa...@caves.org.

FINE ARTS. Topography/Cartography in Speleology
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/finearts/Fine%20Arts.shtml
DEADLINE: Entry Forms: June 1, 2012. Artwork (after acceptance only,
please): Shipped/Delivered to Convention by 5pm June 23, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: 
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/finearts/FineArtsEntryFormAlex.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Carolina at fineartsa...@caves.org

MULTIMEDIA PROGRAMS. Multiple image computer programs
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/MultiMedia.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012.
All entries must be sent to Dave Bunnell, P.O. Box 879, Angels Camp,
CA 95222 no later than June 1, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/multientry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Please contact Dave at multimediasa...@caves.org

PRINTS. Photographic prints
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Print.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012. NSS Convention: Sunday, June 24, 2012
before 10 a.m.
All entries must be delivered to Print Salon area on Saturday, June
23d between 9am-5pm, or on Sunday, June 24th between 8-10:00am at the
NSS Convention Print Salon exhibition area, or mailed so that we
receive it before June 1st (contact Pat Seiser at printsa...@caves.org
or call 505-292-5793).  Please include your email address on the
outside of the package so that we can let you know by email that your
package has arrived.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/printentry.pdf
SALES AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: For questions concerning entries or
sales of prints, please e-mail Pat Seiser at printsa...@caves.org or
call 505-292-5793. If you have trouble with the deadline, please
contact Pat before June 1st, 2012.

PHOTOS. Photographic slides  digital images
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Slide.shtml
DEADLINE: March 30, 2012.
All entries mailed to Cady Soukup (P.O. Box 600 Flint Hill VA
22627-0600; 540-522-8631; c...@mindwrap.com) to arrive no later than
March 30, 2012. If you cannot make the deadline, please contact Cady
before March 30.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/photoentry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Ray Cole / Cady Soukup at photosa...@caves.org.

SYMBOLIC EMBLEMS. Patches, decals, pins, etc related to caves or caving.
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Symbolic%20Emblems.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 16, 2012. NSS Convention: Saturday noon, June 16, 2012.
All entries must be mailed to Kim Fleischmann (115 Stoneleigh Road,
Bel Air, MD 21014, USA) to arrive no later than Saturday, June 16,
2012, or delivered to Kim at the display area by 12:00 PM Sunday, June
24, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: Available at NSS Convention Symbolic Emblems display area,
or: 

[Texascavers] Fw: NSS Convention: Arts Music Salon Deadlines!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: cady soukup cadyasou...@gmail.com
To: varl...@listserv.vt.edu 
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: NSS Convention: Arts  Music Salon Deadlines!
 
Please distribute widely - Deadlines Approach!

In addition to the usual ten salons, there will be a new Crafts Salon,
display-only for this, its first year. For more information, please
contact Carolina Shrewsbury (fineartssa...@caves.org) or Kriste
Lindberg (kriste.lindb...@gmail.com).

The Fine Arts Salon is again offering its wonderful workshops. For
more information, look at the NSS MayaCon web site http://nss2012.com/

Thank you all,
Cady Soukup
NSS Salon Committee Co-Chair


2012 NSS Convention: Art  Music Salons
The NSS Art  Music Salons promote and recognize excellent
cave-related art, artists, and musicians. NSS Salons are open to
everyone; those who enter need not be members of the NSS.

CARTOGRAPHIC MAPS. Cave and karst-related maps
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Cartographic.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012. Convention: 9am Monday, June 25, 2012.
Mailed to Chair (label package clearly “Cartographic Salon”) to arrive
no later than June 1, 2012 (Jim Kennedy
3406 Catalina Drive
Austin, TX
78741-7041 
512-663-2287); delivered to the Cartographic Salon display
area at the NSS Convention by 9am Monday, June 25, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/cartoentry.pdf‚
MORE INFORMATION: Judging criteria and a history of the salon at the
Survey and Cartography Section website (
http://www.caves.org/section/sacs/ ). Contact Jim at
cartsa...@caves.org.

CAVE BALLADS. Cave-related songs and music
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/ballads/Cave%20Ballad.shtml
DEADLINE: May 15, 2012.
Entries must be sent to Barbara am Ende no later than May 15, 2012
(43465 Laidlow St, South Riding, VA 20152).
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Barbara at balladsa...@caves.org or (703) 909-6550.

COVER ART. Printed cave publication covers
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Cover%20Art.shtml
DEADLINE: March 25, 2012.
All entries must be mailed to Brian Killingbeck (316 Tremont St., Apt
2, Chattanooga,TN 37405), with Entry Form, and received no later than
March 25, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/coverentry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Brian at coverartsa...@caves.org.

FINE ARTS. Topography/Cartography in Speleology
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/finearts/Fine%20Arts.shtml
DEADLINE: Entry Forms: June 1, 2012. Artwork (after acceptance only,
please): Shipped/Delivered to Convention by 5pm June 23, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: 
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/finearts/FineArtsEntryFormAlex.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Carolina at fineartsa...@caves.org

MULTIMEDIA PROGRAMS. Multiple image computer programs
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/MultiMedia.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012.
All entries must be sent to Dave Bunnell, P.O. Box 879, Angels Camp,
CA 95222 no later than June 1, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/multientry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Please contact Dave at multimediasa...@caves.org

PRINTS. Photographic prints
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Print.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 1, 2012. NSS Convention: Sunday, June 24, 2012
before 10 a.m.
All entries must be delivered to Print Salon area on Saturday, June
23d between 9am-5pm, or on Sunday, June 24th between 8-10:00am at the
NSS Convention Print Salon exhibition area, or mailed so that we
receive it before June 1st (contact Pat Seiser at printsa...@caves.org
or call 505-292-5793).  Please include your email address on the
outside of the package so that we can let you know by email that your
package has arrived.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/printentry.pdf
SALES AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: For questions concerning entries or
sales of prints, please e-mail Pat Seiser at printsa...@caves.org or
call 505-292-5793. If you have trouble with the deadline, please
contact Pat before June 1st, 2012.

PHOTOS. Photographic slides  digital images
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Slide.shtml
DEADLINE: March 30, 2012.
All entries mailed to Cady Soukup (P.O. Box 600 Flint Hill VA
22627-0600; 540-522-8631; c...@mindwrap.com) to arrive no later than
March 30, 2012. If you cannot make the deadline, please contact Cady
before March 30.
ENTRY FORM: http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/photoentry.pdf
MORE INFORMATION: Contact Ray Cole / Cady Soukup at photosa...@caves.org.

SYMBOLIC EMBLEMS. Patches, decals, pins, etc related to caves or caving.
http://www.caves.org/committee/salons/Symbolic%20Emblems.shtml
DEADLINE: Mail: June 16, 2012. NSS Convention: Saturday noon, June 16, 2012.
All entries must be mailed to Kim Fleischmann (115 Stoneleigh Road,
Bel Air, MD 21014, USA) to arrive no later than Saturday, June 16,
2012, or delivered to Kim at the display area by 12:00 PM Sunday, June
24, 2012.
ENTRY FORM: Available at NSS Convention Symbolic Emblems display area,
or: 

Re: [SWR] Herb Conn passed away Wednesday

[C Tiderman]

This is sad news indeed. I had the privilege of hearing them speak on some of 
their work in Jewel. It was amazing all that they accomplished. My thoughts go 
out to Jan in this difficult time.

 
Carol



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To: Cave NM s...@caver.net; Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: [SWR] Herb Conn passed away Wednesday
 

Herb Conn passed away Wednesday night at the Conn Cave (their home), outside of 
Custer, SD.  He was 91 and has been in declining health for some time. Jan's 
asked that she not be contacted for several days while she adjusts to the huge 
change in her life.  There are good friends nearby to help her with any needs.  
At his request, there will be no services.
 
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Re: [SWR] Herb Conn passed away Wednesday

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This is sad news indeed. I had the privilege of hearing them speak on some of 
their work in Jewel. It was amazing all that they accomplished. My thoughts go 
out to Jan in this difficult time.

 
Carol



 From: dirt...@comcast.net dirt...@comcast.net
To: Cave NM s...@caver.net; Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: [SWR] Herb Conn passed away Wednesday
 

Herb Conn passed away Wednesday night at the Conn Cave (their home), outside of 
Custer, SD.  He was 91 and has been in declining health for some time. Jan's 
asked that she not be contacted for several days while she adjusts to the huge 
change in her life.  There are good friends nearby to help her with any needs.  
At his request, there will be no services.
 
Dwight Deal

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Re: [SWR] Herb Conn passed away Wednesday

[C Tiderman]

This is sad news indeed. I had the privilege of hearing them speak on some of 
their work in Jewel. It was amazing all that they accomplished. My thoughts go 
out to Jan in this difficult time.

 
Carol



 From: dirt...@comcast.net dirt...@comcast.net
To: Cave NM s...@caver.net; Cave Texas Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: [SWR] Herb Conn passed away Wednesday
 

Herb Conn passed away Wednesday night at the Conn Cave (their home), outside of 
Custer, SD.  He was 91 and has been in declining health for some time. Jan's 
asked that she not be contacted for several days while she adjusts to the huge 
change in her life.  There are good friends nearby to help her with any needs.  
At his request, there will be no services.
 
Dwight Deal

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[SWR] Fw: [MAR-NSS] 2011 NSS Members Manual--Photos Needed NOW Please

[C Tiderman]

Hi Cavers,

I just posted this to Cavechat, but it needs to get widespread coverage. Please 
forward to other caver listservs. 


I need photos!!

Thanks,
Meredith

2011 NSS Members Manual--Photos Needed NOW Please
by merecaver » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:15 pm 
Hi NSS,

Apparently I only thought I 
posted this to Cavechat, but did not in reality.  The request was in the
 December (and I think January) NSS News, though. I need photos taken by NSS 
members for the front and back covers. The deadline is Tuesday, January 31, 
2012, but I'll probably let that slide a bit. 

Please
 send no more than FIVE high-quality, vertically oriented, cave-related 
photographs for possible use on the cover or back cover of the 2012 NSS Members 
Manual. Send a small-sized photo first and be prepared to send a 
high-resolution version if asked. 

Send photos to me at mereca...@yahoo.com with the subject line: 2012 NSS 
MM--Cover Photo Submission--xxx (xxx=your name).

Also,
 if you have not updated your information in the NSS database and things
 have changed, fix it now!  We should be taking the snapshot of the 
database for the Members Manual in the next few weeks.  You can update your own 
info and should (!) at https://secure.caves.org/nssapps/changeinfo.shtml.

Thanks,
Meredith Hall Weberg
2012 NSS Members Manual Editor
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[C Tiderman]

Hi Cavers,

I just posted this to Cavechat, but it needs to get widespread coverage. Please 
forward to other caver listservs. 


I need photos!!

Thanks,
Meredith

2011 NSS Members Manual--Photos Needed NOW Please
by merecaver » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:15 pm 
Hi NSS,

Apparently I only thought I 
posted this to Cavechat, but did not in reality.  The request was in the
 December (and I think January) NSS News, though. I need photos taken by NSS 
members for the front and back covers. The deadline is Tuesday, January 31, 
2012, but I'll probably let that slide a bit. 

Please
 send no more than FIVE high-quality, vertically oriented, cave-related 
photographs for possible use on the cover or back cover of the 2012 NSS Members 
Manual. Send a small-sized photo first and be prepared to send a 
high-resolution version if asked. 

Send photos to me at mereca...@yahoo.com with the subject line: 2012 NSS 
MM--Cover Photo Submission--xxx (xxx=your name).

Also,
 if you have not updated your information in the NSS database and things
 have changed, fix it now!  We should be taking the snapshot of the 
database for the Members Manual in the next few weeks.  You can update your own 
info and should (!) at https://secure.caves.org/nssapps/changeinfo.shtml.

Thanks,
Meredith Hall Weberg
2012 NSS Members Manual Editor
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[SWR] Fw: The NSS Needs You!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

- Forwarded Message -
From: National Speleological Society 
national_speleological_soci...@mail.vresp.com
To: cti...@ymail.com 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: The NSS Needs You!
 

The NSS Needs You! 
  
Click to view this email in a browser 

NSS members, 

This is your chance to make a difference in the NSS! We're looking for NSS 
members who want to participate in leading their Society and managing it for 
enduring success. Now is the time to step forward to serve your Society on the 
Board of Governors. 

The Nominating Committee is in *urgent* need of candidates for the 2012 
Director Election. This year we need to elect five directors to fill the 
available seats, so I would like to have at least 10 candidates . Directors 
serve a three-year term and attend three meetings a year. 

If you would like to run, or know someone who would make a good Board member, 
please contact me immediately!  Persons with experience in leadership, 
business, marketing, management, law, fundraising, or other relevant areas are 
particularly sought. 

Go to the Nominating Committee page from the NSS home page for more 
information. 
http://cts.vresp.com/c/?NationalSpeleologica/7e6b4d8e73/a6542d32ef/994bd7d09e

Allan Weberg, Chairman 
NSS Nominating Committee
nominat...@caves.org 

**Please distribute this widely to any and all caver information lists.**


   


 
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[SWR] Fw: The NSS Needs You!

[C Tiderman]

 
Carol

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From: National Speleological Society 
national_speleological_soci...@mail.vresp.com
To: cti...@ymail.com 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: The NSS Needs You!
 

The NSS Needs You! 
  
Click to view this email in a browser 

NSS members, 

This is your chance to make a difference in the NSS! We're looking for NSS 
members who want to participate in leading their Society and managing it for 
enduring success. Now is the time to step forward to serve your Society on the 
Board of Governors. 

The Nominating Committee is in *urgent* need of candidates for the 2012 
Director Election. This year we need to elect five directors to fill the 
available seats, so I would like to have at least 10 candidates . Directors 
serve a three-year term and attend three meetings a year. 

If you would like to run, or know someone who would make a good Board member, 
please contact me immediately!  Persons with experience in leadership, 
business, marketing, management, law, fundraising, or other relevant areas are 
particularly sought. 

Go to the Nominating Committee page from the NSS home page for more 
information. 
http://cts.vresp.com/c/?NationalSpeleologica/7e6b4d8e73/a6542d32ef/994bd7d09e

Allan Weberg, Chairman 
NSS Nominating Committee
nominat...@caves.org 

**Please distribute this widely to any and all caver information lists.**


   


 
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[SWR] Fw: The NSS Needs You!

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Carol

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From: National Speleological Society 
national_speleological_soci...@mail.vresp.com
To: cti...@ymail.com 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: The NSS Needs You!
 

The NSS Needs You! 
  
Click to view this email in a browser 

NSS members, 

This is your chance to make a difference in the NSS! We're looking for NSS 
members who want to participate in leading their Society and managing it for 
enduring success. Now is the time to step forward to serve your Society on the 
Board of Governors. 

The Nominating Committee is in *urgent* need of candidates for the 2012 
Director Election. This year we need to elect five directors to fill the 
available seats, so I would like to have at least 10 candidates . Directors 
serve a three-year term and attend three meetings a year. 

If you would like to run, or know someone who would make a good Board member, 
please contact me immediately!  Persons with experience in leadership, 
business, marketing, management, law, fundraising, or other relevant areas are 
particularly sought. 

Go to the Nominating Committee page from the NSS home page for more 
information. 
http://cts.vresp.com/c/?NationalSpeleologica/7e6b4d8e73/a6542d32ef/994bd7d09e

Allan Weberg, Chairman 
NSS Nominating Committee
nominat...@caves.org 

**Please distribute this widely to any and all caver information lists.**


   


 
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[SWR] NSS Executive Search

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The committee is looking for candidates to run for NSS officer positions. If 
you are interested in running for an officer position or you know someone who 
should be contacted regarding running, please send a not to execsea...@caves.org

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you are interested in running for an officer position or you know someone who 
should be contacted regarding running, please send a not to execsea...@caves.org

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[SWR] WNS

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Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed 
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North 
America.
Susan Young   
White-nose syndrome is killing bats throughout eastern North America.Greg 
Turner / Pennsylvania Game Commission
Researchers have confirmed that a recently identified fungus is responsible for 
white-nose syndrome, a deadly disease that is sweeping through bat 
colonies in eastern North America.
The fungus, Geomyces destructans, infects 
the skin of hibernating bats, causing lesions on the animals' wings and a 
fluffy white outgrowth on the muzzle. When white-nose syndrome takes 
hold of a hibernating colony, more than 90% of the bats can die (see Disease 
epidemic killing only US bats). The disease was first documented in February 
2006 in a cave in New 
York, and has spread to at least 16 other US states and four Canadian 
provinces. 
The culpability of G. destructans  for this 
sudden outbreak was thrown into question when the fungus was found on 
healthy bats in Europe, where it is not associated with the grim 
mortality levels seen in North America1. Some proposed that the fungus was not 
the primary cause of the 
catastrophic die offs, and that another factor — such as an undetected 
virus — must be to blame. But a study published today in Nature2 reveals that 
G. destructans  is indeed guilty.
The fungus alone is sufficient to recreate all the pathology 
diagnostic for the disease, says David Blehert, a microbiologist at the 
National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wisconsin, and senior 
author on the report. 
Bat-to-bat spread
Blehert and his colleagues collected healthy little brown bats (Myotis 
lucifugus) from Wisconsin, which is well beyond the known range of white-nose 
syndrome. They infected the bats by direct administration of G. destructans  
spores to the skin or by contact with infected bats from New York. By 
the end of the 102-day experiment, the tell-tale white fungus was 
growing on the muzzles and wings of all of the directly infected 
Wisconsin bats and 16 of the 18 exposed to sick bats. 
This is the first experimental evidence that white-nose syndrome can be passed 
from bat to bat, and is very worrying from a conservation 
point of view because bats huddle together in large numbers in caves and mate 
in large swarms, says Emma Teeling, a bat biologist at University 
College Dublin in Ireland. If a bat has this fungus on them, it's going to 
spread quickly throughout the population, says Teeling, who was not involved 
with the study. It's like a perfect storm.
The infected Wisconsin bats did not die during the experiment, which may be due 
to the limited timeline of infection, the authors suggest. 
Although the study does not directly show that a healthy bat will die 
from infection with G. destructans, the results 
did show that the fungus alone was sufficient to cause lesions 
diagnostic of white-nose syndrome to form on previously healthy bats, 
indicating that the fungus is the cause of the deaths so often 
associated with white-nose syndrome in the wild. 
To stop a scourge

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pathogen spreading from a single origin through a naive population, says 
Jonathan Sleeman, director of the National Wildlife Health Center, who 
was not involved in the study. Proof that G. destructans  is the primary cause 
of white-nose syndrome will help us focus our actions or management efforts 
into the future, he says.
Although little can be done to control the spread of the disease 
through bat-to-bat transmission, the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) 
has asked people to stay out of caves 

[SWR] WNS

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Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed 
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North 
America.
Susan Young   
White-nose syndrome is killing bats throughout eastern North America.Greg 
Turner / Pennsylvania Game Commission
Researchers have confirmed that a recently identified fungus is responsible for 
white-nose syndrome, a deadly disease that is sweeping through bat 
colonies in eastern North America.
The fungus, Geomyces destructans, infects 
the skin of hibernating bats, causing lesions on the animals' wings and a 
fluffy white outgrowth on the muzzle. When white-nose syndrome takes 
hold of a hibernating colony, more than 90% of the bats can die (see Disease 
epidemic killing only US bats). The disease was first documented in February 
2006 in a cave in New 
York, and has spread to at least 16 other US states and four Canadian 
provinces. 
The culpability of G. destructans  for this 
sudden outbreak was thrown into question when the fungus was found on 
healthy bats in Europe, where it is not associated with the grim 
mortality levels seen in North America1. Some proposed that the fungus was not 
the primary cause of the 
catastrophic die offs, and that another factor — such as an undetected 
virus — must be to blame. But a study published today in Nature2 reveals that 
G. destructans  is indeed guilty.
The fungus alone is sufficient to recreate all the pathology 
diagnostic for the disease, says David Blehert, a microbiologist at the 
National Wildlife Health Center in Madison, Wisconsin, and senior 
author on the report. 
Bat-to-bat spread
Blehert and his colleagues collected healthy little brown bats (Myotis 
lucifugus) from Wisconsin, which is well beyond the known range of white-nose 
syndrome. They infected the bats by direct administration of G. destructans  
spores to the skin or by contact with infected bats from New York. By 
the end of the 102-day experiment, the tell-tale white fungus was 
growing on the muzzles and wings of all of the directly infected 
Wisconsin bats and 16 of the 18 exposed to sick bats. 
This is the first experimental evidence that white-nose syndrome can be passed 
from bat to bat, and is very worrying from a conservation 
point of view because bats huddle together in large numbers in caves and mate 
in large swarms, says Emma Teeling, a bat biologist at University 
College Dublin in Ireland. If a bat has this fungus on them, it's going to 
spread quickly throughout the population, says Teeling, who was not involved 
with the study. It's like a perfect storm.
The infected Wisconsin bats did not die during the experiment, which may be due 
to the limited timeline of infection, the authors suggest. 
Although the study does not directly show that a healthy bat will die 
from infection with G. destructans, the results 
did show that the fungus alone was sufficient to cause lesions 
diagnostic of white-nose syndrome to form on previously healthy bats, 
indicating that the fungus is the cause of the deaths so often 
associated with white-nose syndrome in the wild. 
To stop a scourge

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Since it first appeared, white-nose syndrome has behaved like a novel 
pathogen spreading from a single origin through a naive population, says 
Jonathan Sleeman, director of the National Wildlife Health Center, who 
was not involved in the study. Proof that G. destructans  is the primary cause 
of white-nose syndrome will help us focus our actions or management efforts 
into the future, he says.
Although little can be done to control the spread of the disease 
through bat-to-bat transmission, the US Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) 
has asked people to stay out of caves 

Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award

[C Tiderman]

EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! 

 
Carol



From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net
To: nmcaver list s...@caver.net; Lynda Sanchez diamond...@pvtn.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation 
award

from the Las Cruces Sun-News:

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124

Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project!

Lee Skinner

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Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award

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EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! 

 
Carol



From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net
To: nmcaver list s...@caver.net; Lynda Sanchez diamond...@pvtn.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation 
award

from the Las Cruces Sun-News:

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124

Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project!

Lee Skinner

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Re: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation award

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EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! 

 
Carol



From: Lee H. Skinner skin...@thuntek.net
To: nmcaver list s...@caver.net; Lynda Sanchez diamond...@pvtn.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:44 PM
Subject: [SWR] Fort Stanton Cave Study Project receives national conservation 
award

from the Las Cruces Sun-News:

http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_19139124

Congratulations to all of the hard working members of the project!

Lee Skinner

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[SWR] NSS Office

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Hi All,

Maybe you do not care where the office is located. That's fine.

Do you care if the NSS incurs an immediate multi million dollar debt -
buying an existing building that will need to be retrofit to meet the needs
of the office - or takes it slow - buying land, raising funds and waiting
to build until at least 75% of the funds needed have been raised?

If you have a preference, please let the BOG know what you think. Send a
note to b...@caves.org

Thanks

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[SWR] NSS Office

[C Tiderman]

Hi All,

Maybe you do not care where the office is located. That's fine.

Do you care if the NSS incurs an immediate multi million dollar debt -
buying an existing building that will need to be retrofit to meet the needs
of the office - or takes it slow - buying land, raising funds and waiting
to build until at least 75% of the funds needed have been raised?

If you have a preference, please let the BOG know what you think. Send a
note to b...@caves.org

Thanks

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[SWR] NSS HQ

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Hello Cavers,

Tthe discussion regarding the future location of the NSS Headquarters is 
getting serious. I believe that the new Headquarters will not only enhance 
the services to the membership but will facilitate public outreach and, 
hopefully, public funding of our activities to preserve  conserve caves, karst 
 their contents.

It's important that you let the Directors and NSS Executives know what you 
want. 

 
Please do not hesitate to contact them (and me) and let us know how you feel. 
We're coming up on the next BOG Meeting the first weekend in
April, in Albuquerque... and any specific comments you send will help with this 
contentious issue.

b...@caves.org
 
Locations the HQ Commission is looking at:
 Huntsville, Alabama
 1 Cahaba Shrine Temple
 2.University Office Park

 Mammoth Cave, Kentucky Area
 3. Indian Cave
 4. Cedar Hill
 5. I-65 Interchange at Cave City Exit

 Bowling Green, Kentucky
 6. Lost River Cave
  All the info you may (or may not) wish to know ... (if the server allows
 links...)

 http://caves.org/commission/hq/files/Download/ReportToBOGApril2011.pdf
 
Thanks
Carol
Carol Tiderman NSS 10604 OS, FE, RL
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[SWR] NSS Officers

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Hi All,

The Executive Search Committee is seeking candidates for AVP, EVP  OVP to be 
elected at the Summer BOG meeting. Details of the positions can be found at 
http://www.caves.org/info/execsearch/ . If you are interested in running or can 
suggest a candidate for the position,please send a note to: execsea...@caves.org
  
Thanks
Carol
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[NMCAVER] NSS President

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I am looking for candidates for the office of NSS President. If you might be 
interested or know someone who might be a good candidate, please let me know.

Thanks

Carol

The NSS President is elected at the Spring Board of Governors meeting and takes 
office at the NSS National Convention.  From the time of the election and until 
the convention the President-elect also serves as the President Pro Tem if not 
already serving in another officer position.  The President of the NSS is a 
member of the Executive Committee. The President has responsibility for 
managing 
the Society's business; fund raising; membership retention; public outreach; 
liaison with government, international organizations and other organizations 
with goals that overlap those of the Society; and as the Society's point person 
for the members and for the public. The President is responsible for the agenda 
for and conducting the meetings of the Board of Governors and the Executive 
Committee.   The Secretary to the Board, the Recording Secretary, and the By 
Laws, Logistics, Board Arrangements, (Society) Planning, and Nominating (for 
Director Elections) Committees are within the President's Department. The 
President oversees the Fund Raising and Public Relations committees of the 
Society. The liaison with outside organizations is handled through the 
Government, Show Caves, and The Nature Conservancy committees within the 
President's Department. The President is also responsible the managing any 
other 
permanent and ad hoc committees assigned to the President's department by the 
Board of Governors. The President also communicates to the membership through 
periodic columns in the NSS NEWS. Finally, the President works with other 
members of the Executive Committee to manage the NSS, to coordinate 
responsibilities of the NSS officers, and to prepare the annual NSS budget.  
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[NMCAVER] Fw: [nssboard] {CRF - EO} FW: BCI Student Research Scholarship Program

[C Tiderman]

Please spread the word.

Carol



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Subject: [nssboard] {CRF - EO} FW: BCI Student Research Scholarship Program

  
Hello all,

This would be good to circulate among those seeking scholarships. Also, I would 
pass along to Education.

Gordon

 From: John Lovaas jlov...@mc.net
 To: ILSPELEO ilspe...@caver.net,
CRF Eastern Ops crf...@googlegroups.com,
wss-nss wss-...@yahoogroups.com,
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 Subject: {CRF - EO} FW: BCI Student Research Scholarship Program
 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:36:37 -0500
 
 
 
 From: Bat Conservation International [mailto:newslet...@batcatalog.com]
 Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:59 AM
 To: All Staff
 Subject: BCI Student Research Scholarship Program
 
 Dear friends and colleagues:
 
 It's scholarship time again. Bat Conservation International will be awarding
 15 to 20 Student Research Scholarships for conservation-relevant research
 anywhere in the world. We would very much appreciate your posting and/or
 forwarding the following message for the widest possible distribution. Two
 pdf attachments are included with more info. They are designed for posting
 on physical or digital bulletin boards. Thanks for your help.
 
 Student Research Scholarship Program Bat Conservation International
 
 Bat Conservation International is now accepting applications its 2011 BCI
 Student Research Scholarships. Grants of up to $5,000 each will be awarded
 for the 2011-12 academic year. Grants will be awarded for research that is
 directly related to bat conservation, with an emphasis on research that
 documents roosting and feeding habitat requirements of bats, their
 ecological and economic roles or their conservation needs. About 10 of these
 scholarships are supported by the U.S. Forest Service International Programs
 specifically for research conducted in developing countries.
 
 Students enrolled in any college or university worldwide are eligible to
 apply for BCI scholarships. Applications are competitive and will be
 reviewed by bat scientists outside BCI.
 
 The application deadline for 2011 scholarships is December 15, 2010.
 Information and the online application form are available at 
 
 http://www.batcon.org/scholarships
 
 Bob Locke
 
 Grants Coordinator
 
 Bat Conservation International.
 
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