Re: [Texascavers] Mammoth Cave National Park Adds New Miles to Cave Length

[Nancy Weaver]

> 
> The longest known cave in the world is now even longer thanks to an ongoing 
> partnership with the Cave Research Foundation:

well probably its the same length as it ever was.  unless the act of surveying 
lengthens a cave.  interesting idea,
Nancy

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[Texascavers] selling land house Rolling Oaks

[Nancy Weaver]

For Sale:
House 7 acres adjacent to Terry Raines in Driftwood. 1br/1 bath approx 2000+ sf 
home.  Septic.  Rainwater collection.  2 3000gal tanks.  new walrus pump and 
filtration system.  shared drive with legal easement and shared well.
850k
contact Nancy 512.924.3391 for pics and to see

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[Texascavers] apologies. ignore alert

[Nancy Weaver]

past two messages were meant to be private.  don’t read.  don’t get upset.  
don’t respond.  human error.  

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Re: [Texascavers] Ron Fiesler

[Nancy Weaver]

WHITE.  TRUMP.   SUPPORTERS.  NO
fbi/deep state agitators   
cui bono?  who benefits.   who is getting massive new infusions of money for 
surveillance and has written a new terrorist bill that basically says  US 
citizens who dare to exercise their constitutional rights are terrorists and 
enemies of the state.  

nah, it must be what the media tells us.  b b
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[Texascavers] Ron Fiesler

[Nancy Weaver]

for anyone who remembers caver Ron Fiesler.  this is what he has been up to:
https://www.hillcountryalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/GMA-9-DFC-Comments_LETTER_06.21.pdf
Nancy
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[Texascavers] meanwhile in middle east . . .

[Nancy Weaver]

super cool explanation of sinkholes destroying the west bank of the dead sea.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/the-disappearing-dead-sea-sinkhole-science-en-gedi/100123858
 



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[Texascavers] caver barbeque

[Nancy Weaver]

dates!  places!!  names!!!
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Re: [Texascavers] Plural Nouns for Cavers -We have a winner!

[Nancy Weaver]

an encrustation of cavers.  yep, those are the ones I started out with

> On May 8, 2021, at 3:52 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
>  mud encrusted 

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Re: [Texascavers] a notice that some of you might have missed.

[Nancy Weaver]

Hi Dwight - thanks for the wonderful letter about Jan Conn.  what a wonderful 
role model and words to live by:  
 “If life consisted only of what we planned it could get pretty dull. It’s the 
unexpected that gives life it’s punch. Who would go caving if we already knew 
what was around the next turn?”

wonder what her contribution to name a group of cavers would be?
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Cavers

[Nancy Weaver]

  a derangement of cavers.  or at least they were when I started in the late 
70’s
N
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Re: [Texascavers] [Sandia Grotto]: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Re: Cavers

[Nancy Weaver]

I have occasionally by choice and by necessity come out of a cave with no glow
N

> On Apr 23, 2021, at 8:40 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> 
> A glow of cavers.  They have to do that to go caving...
> 
> Bob West
> 
> On Apr 23, 2021 7:50 PM, Penelope Boston  wrote:
> a caveat of cavers…..
> 
> Penny
> 
> 
> Penelope J. Boston
> Senior Advisor for Science Integration, Code S
> NASA Ames Research Center
> Moffett Field, CA 94035
> 650 604 0022
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:49 PM, Lee H. Skinner  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Linda.
> 
> 
> 
> So far we have:
> 
> CavalcadeSteve Peerman
> ClunkJerry Atkinson
> ColumnLee Skinner
> Giggle   Jerry Atkinson
> Pack  Mike Mansur
> Stash Linda Starr
> 
> 
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/23/2021 6:41 PM, Linda Starr wrote:
> A “stash of cavers” because people and other cavers are especially secretive. 
> We keep our cave locations hidden in file drawers and we don’t widely 
> broadcast caving as a sport or speleology as a science until this 
> International Year of Caves and Karst. We stash ourselves into crevices and 
> passages to find out where these holes lead. So that’s my noun for the day.
> Linda Starr
> 
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 6:28 PM Lee H. Skinner  > wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> 
> 
> We already have that for wolves and cigarettes.  It should be unique among 
> plural nouns, and easy to remember for public adoption. When we get enough 
> suggestions, we'll take a poll among the New Mexico and Texas cavers.
> 
> 
> 
> Lee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/23/2021 6:00 PM, 'Michael Mansur' via Southwestern Cavers of the 
> National Speleological Society wrote:
> Perhaps a "pack" of cavers?
> 
> 
> 
>  On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 17:54:56 -0600 'Jerry' via Southwestern Cavers of 
> the National Speleological Society  
>  wrote 
> 
> I think it depends on the group. 
> 
> A group of expedition cavers would likely be a column of cavers as they have 
> a purpose and a mission, well regimented and disciplined. Marching off into 
> the unknown karst for fame and fortune. 
> 
> A group of recreational cavers would more likely be a giggle of cavers as 
> they're out to have fun and see what they will see, looking forward to their 
> apres caving party and drink. Marching off to have a laid back adventure. 
> 
> A group of spelunking cavers (boy scouts and other non-grotto affiliated 
> spelunkers) would more likely be a clunk of cavers as they may leave trash 
> and other mementos of their adventures. These folks have no idea what they're 
> marching off to. 
> 
> Jerry.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: John Brooks  >
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
> Cc: SWR >> New Mexico Cavers  >; Sandia Grotto 
>  >
> Sent: Fri, Apr 23, 2021 5:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Cavers
> 
> Karsty’s
> 
> 
> On Apr 23, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Lee H. Skinner  > wrote:
> 
> 
> What do you call a collection of cavers?  There are gaggles of geese, pods of 
> whales and murders of crows. What term would do justice to the special nature 
> of cavers?   I once suggested a column of cavers, as cave teams usually go 
> single-file when traversing (especially well protected) cave passages.  Does 
> anyone have a better idea?
> 
> Lee Skinner
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Re: [Texascavers] [Sandia Grotto]: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Re: Cavers

[Nancy Weaver]

a void of cavers
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] For those who know the Olenicks in Austin

[Nancy Weaver]

thanks Jocie for passing this on.  I’ll give them a call tomorrow.  My 
experience of being hurt was that I was most energetic in the mornings.
N

> On Dec 23, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Jocelyn Hooper  wrote:
> 
> Walt Olenick called to let me know that he and Rae were in a bad car wreck in 
> early December...HWY 71 near La Grange.  Car totaled.  Both survived, but 
> spent considerable time in the hospital in Austin.
> Rae has been home a couple of weeks, broken hand, concussion and seat belt 
> damage, but he just got home.  He had to have some cracked cervical vertebrae 
> fused, plus other damage.  They only have a land line, so you cannot text, 
> but would love to hear from folks.  Walt can't do Zoom, so he has not been 
> able to attend the Grotto "meetings" and misses his caving family.  You are 
> also welcome to go out to their place, socially distanced.  512-371-3786, 
> 16216 Stewart Rd, Austin 78734-3545.
> So thankful they are doing better, and may be back to acro-yoga one of these 
> days!
> 
> Jocie Hooper
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Re: [Texascavers] San Marcos Greenbelt Alliance * WON*

[Nancy Weaver]

very cool.  glad to have been part of this
Nancy

> On Oct 18, 2020, at 2:44 PM, cavefault  wrote:
> 
> Thank you to everyone that voted for the SMGA.  They will continue to protect 
> the undeveloped hill country from being paved over. 
> Jon

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Re: [Texascavers] Remembering Ernie

[Nancy Weaver]

thanks for the smiles, Carl.  Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Help protect the Edwards Aquifer recharge zone

[Nancy Weaver]

thanks Jon - great video.  I’ve hiked some of these trails and look forward to 
many more, esp miles from roads.
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Convention Storytelling Contest

[Nancy Weaver]

worked fine for me.  Nancy

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 2:28 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/events/784801492017272/permalink/955617064935713/ 
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek State Natural Area

[Nancy Weaver]

that one works.  sign on folks.  Nancy

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Diana Tomchick 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's a direct link to the petition.
> 
> https://www.change.org/p/silesia-properties-save-guadalupe-river-state-park?recruiter=38933548_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive_term=G%3ESearch%3ESAP%3EUS%3EBrand%3EGeneral%3EExact_by_id=46f458c0-43df-0130-475d-3c764e049b10
>  
> <https://www.change.org/p/silesia-properties-save-guadalupe-river-state-park?recruiter=38933548_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive_term=G%3ESearch%3ESAP%3EUS%3EBrand%3EGeneral%3EExact_by_id=46f458c0-43df-0130-475d-3c764e049b10>
>  
> <https://www.change.org/p/silesia-properties-save-guadalupe-river-state-park?recruiter=38933548_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive_term=G%3ESearch%3ESAP%3EUS%3EBrand%3EGeneral%3EExact_by_id=46f458c0-43df-0130-475d-3c764e049b10>
> 
> Sign the Petition 
> <https://www.change.org/p/silesia-properties-save-guadalupe-river-state-park?recruiter=38933548_source=share_petition_medium=email_campaign=share_email_responsive_term=G%3ESearch%3ESAP%3EUS%3EBrand%3EGeneral%3EExact_by_id=46f458c0-43df-0130-475d-3c764e049b10>
> Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek State Natural Area!
> www.change.org <http://www.change.org/>
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu <mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> From: Texascavers  <mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>> on behalf of Nancy Weaver 
> mailto:nan...@prismnet.com>>
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:33 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> 
> mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State 
> Park & Honey Creek State Natural Area
>  
> EXTERNAL MAIL
> tried link twice.  doesn’t work.  at least on my computer.
> Nancy
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Bill Steele > <mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Please help. 
>> 
>>> From: Annalisa Peace >> <mailto:annal...@aquiferalliance.org>>
>>> Date: July 17, 2020 at 4:00:43 PM CDT
>>> To: cwilliamste...@gmail.com <mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek 
>>> State Natural Area
>>> Reply-To: annal...@aquiferalliance.org <mailto:annal...@aquiferalliance.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> One of the clearest-flowing streams in the Texas Hill Country is under 
>>> threat from the Urbanczyk family’s (aka Silesia Properties) plans to build 
>>> a D.R. Horton Homes subdivision of 2,396 new homes on the 592 acre Honey 
>>> Creek Ranch just outside of Bulverde, Texas.  
>>> Polluted storm and wastewater from this high-density subdivision will flow 
>>> into Honey Creek upstream of Honey Creek State Natural Area and Guadalupe 
>>> River State Park.  Also threatened is Honey Creek Cave, the longest cave in 
>>> Texas and a direct conduit to the Edwards Aquifer and nearby drinking water 
>>> supply wells.
>>> Both the Honey Creek State Natural Area and the Guadalupe River State Park 
>>> are Texas taxpayers’ investments and serve as recreational destinations and 
>>> as sanctuaries for native aquatic species. Building six homes per acre on 
>>> the Honey Creek Ranch will degrade the water and the surrounding parks that 
>>> bring considerable value to local residents and visitors, both in economic 
>>> and recreational opportunities.  In time, the water flowing through 
>>> Guadalupe River State Park could become unsafe for swimming and contact 
>>> recreation.
>>> Sadly, if done right, the Honey Creek Ranch subdivision could be a model of 
>>> sustainable development.  Efforts to work with the Urbanczyk’s 
>>> representatives have thus far proven futile.  We need your help to mount a 
>>> campaign to make sure that one land flipping family does not despoil a 
>>> treasured Texas ecosystem.  Please sign this petition to Save Honey Creek 
>>> <https://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=45367069=498802=PXNB=431426=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.change.org%2Fp%2Fsilesia-properties-save-guadalupe-river-state-park%3Frecruiter%3D38933548%26

Re: [Texascavers] Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek State Natural Area

[Nancy Weaver]

tried link twice.  doesn’t work.  at least on my computer.
Nancy

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:14 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
> 
> Please help. 
> 
>> From: Annalisa Peace 
>> Date: July 17, 2020 at 4:00:43 PM CDT
>> To: cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Sign the petition to Save Guadalupe River State Park & Honey Creek 
>> State Natural Area
>> Reply-To: annal...@aquiferalliance.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> One of the clearest-flowing streams in the Texas Hill Country is under 
>> threat from the Urbanczyk family’s (aka Silesia Properties) plans to build a 
>> D.R. Horton Homes subdivision of 2,396 new homes on the 592 acre Honey Creek 
>> Ranch just outside of Bulverde, Texas. 
>> 
>> Polluted storm and wastewater from this high-density subdivision will flow 
>> into Honey Creek upstream of Honey Creek State Natural Area and Guadalupe 
>> River State Park.  Also threatened is Honey Creek Cave, the longest cave in 
>> Texas and a direct conduit to the Edwards Aquifer and nearby drinking water 
>> supply wells.
>> 
>> Both the Honey Creek State Natural Area and the Guadalupe River State Park 
>> are Texas taxpayers’ investments and serve as recreational destinations and 
>> as sanctuaries for native aquatic species. Building six homes per acre on 
>> the Honey Creek Ranch will degrade the water and the surrounding parks that 
>> bring considerable value to local residents and visitors, both in economic 
>> and recreational opportunities.  In time, the water flowing through 
>> Guadalupe River State Park could become unsafe for swimming and contact 
>> recreation.
>> 
>> Sadly, if done right, the Honey Creek Ranch subdivision could be a model of 
>> sustainable development.  Efforts to work with the Urbanczyk’s 
>> representatives have thus far proven futile.  We need your help to mount a 
>> campaign to make sure that one land flipping family does not despoil a 
>> treasured Texas ecosystem.  Please sign this petition to Save Honey Creek 
>> .
>> 
>> More information @SaveHoneyCreek 
>> 
>>  
>> You can keep up with the latest news and post on the Save Honey Creek 
>> Facebook Page 
>> 
>> You can always keep up with interesting water news on GEAA's Face Book page  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Manage Your Subscription 
>> 
>> This message was sent to cwilliamste...@gmail.com from 
>> annal...@aquiferalliance.org
>> 
>> Annalisa Peace
>> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
>> 1809 Blanco Road
>> San Antonio, Tx 78212
>> 
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[Texascavers] here's a fun use of the underground

[Nancy Weaver]

oops said the geologists.  gotta love the scientific ’try it and see what 
happens’ attitude
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/do-underground-nuclear-tests-have-fallout?utm_source=Atlas+Obscura+Daily+Newsletter_campaign=52ab7f1d89-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_05_29_medium=email_term=0_f36db9c480-52ab7f1d89-71292933_cid=52ab7f1d89_eid=994603381e
 

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Re: [Texascavers] It is a tough time to be a Fan of Bats

[Nancy Weaver]

well with SARS it was civet cats, so I guess every species has to take its turn 
being the bad guy.
http://www.natap.org/2003/may/052703_3.htm 

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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Nancy Weaver]

its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask.  press conferences, 
celebs, politicians.  no masks ever.
guess that proves my contention that they are not in fact human.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Nancy Weaver]

and thus it comes (like speludknockers) out of darkness into the light.  thanks 
Jerry
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] MAP SALOON ENTRIES

[Nancy Weaver]

first place! Nancy

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Charlie Loving
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Re: [Texascavers] If you care about Honey Creek Cave, please send your comments today or tomorrow and again before the rescheduled public meeting

[Nancy Weaver]

Carol - I just used link and WQ0015835001  and it came up just fine.  maybe try 
again.  Nancy


> I tried to use the no. and online link you gave and was told "number not 
> found."
> 
> Carol
> 
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Bill Steele  > wrote:
> Hello Texas cavers,
> 
> Since most of you are staying home more than usual, please help with this. 
> 
> The public meeting scheduled for March  <>19 has been cancelled by TCEQ. 
> 
> We have been informed that you may send your comments in by the first 
> deadline, tomorrow, March 19, and a second time by the rescheduled hearing 
> date which has not been announced yet. Please send your comments in today or 
> at the latest tomorrow and include a request to submit additional comments at 
> a later date.
> 
> You may submit your comments online at 
> https://www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment/  
> by entering WQ0015835001. 
> 
> Perhaps you can draw information from what Andy Grubbs sent out yesterday 
> (see below) or what Kurt Menking sent out on Texascavers.com on Friday, March 
> 13. 
> 
> Thanks for helping,
> 
> Bill Steele 
> speleoste...@aol.com 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:45 PM, grub...@centurytel.net 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What follows is part of a email I sent about the Honey Creek ranch proposal. 
>> ( not to TCEQ)  I design septic systems as part of my work.  A lot of what 
>> is being proposed does not come up to the state standards that you'd have to 
>> follow if you were building a system for  a single family home, much less 
>> the standards some counties have and the rules governing development on the 
>> Edwards Aquifer recharge zone.   
>> 
>> One thing I'd like to point out is that there is a state requirement for a 
>> "reserve area" when using soils asorbsion types of systems.  You must have 
>> an area you reserve that is the size of your drainfield where you will 
>> construct a new field when the old one is used to the point where it no 
>> longer functions.  The state recognizes the fact that soil systems do not 
>> have infinite life and must be replaced.  I think that there are also 
>> requirements for soil tests on the type system being proposed that are very 
>> extensive.  much more than we do for individual home systems.  I will see if 
>> I can find chapter and page  for those regs for you  
>> 
>>   Since these homes are not going to be small  less than 2500 sq ft the 
>> state water use is 300 gallons per day / house; less than 2500 sq ft is 240 
>> GPD  more than 3500 sq ft 360 GPD
>> 
>> State law limits the amount of effluent to 5000 GPD/ acre.  This is 
>> proposing 4562 gallons / acre for their lowballed figures.  0.105 GPD/sq ft  
>> which is slightly more than what is allowed on clay soils  0.1000 GPD/sq ft
>> 
>> 9 lots per acre is 4840 sq ft per lot.  That would result in something over 
>> 80% impervious cover per lot, without counting the unused green space of the 
>> entire development as part of the amount.  effective IC not total IC for the 
>> development
>> 
>> 
>> I also believe that lift station reserve capacity should be addressed.  No 
>> state regulations on this that I know of.  But county rules for septic 
>> systems that have pumps require the pump compartment to be big enough that 
>> there is sufficient capacity so that there is space for a days flow between 
>> pump- on and the alarm, and another days flow between the alarm level and 
>> the top of the tank.  the alarm going off if water fills up past the daily 
>> design flow and the pump didnt come on.  This means that if there is a 
>> problem you have a full day to get it fixed before you over flow or shut 
>> down the water in the house.  Lift stations are the weak link in the chain 
>> for wastewater systems.  If they had a containment pond, a lined containment 
>> pond, then we would have way less disasters where the station failed and 
>> unabated flow pours into a creek or on to the land.  Got a lift station that 
>> pumps 20,000 gallons per day.  You'd need about 27,000 cubic feet of storage 
>> for 1 days flow  54,000 if you followed the day to find out and day to fix 
>> it rule.  Do any water systems have provision to cut off supply flows during 
>> pump station outages ? That's a question I dont know ( but I sort of doubt 
>> it)
>> 
>> AGGrubbsi
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Re: [Texascavers] cave on ranch near leakey

[Nancy Weaver]

thanks Andy.  Jill told me that the cave was being privately explored and that 
it was purportedly "3 miles long and going”  which made me think, if true, that 
cavers would know about it.  She was on the ranch studying golden cheek 
warblers as there was habitat.  
I’m highly dubious of most claims of 3 mile long caves by ranchers as they 
often turn out to be one large room
But you never know .. . .
Nancy
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[Texascavers] cave on ranch near leakey

[Nancy Weaver]

anyone working in a cave on a ranch at the headwaters of the trio?  I met a 
woman in Taos today who lived on that ranch and was trying to describe it to me.
just wondering if it has a name, don’t want a lead or to know where it is.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR been selected yet.

[Nancy Weaver]

this place has it all.  flooding.  wind shear.  mud so deep no vehicles can 
move and tornado!!  its the perfect site for TCR.
https://www.westtexasscoutinghistory.net/camp_solmayer.html 

Nancy

> On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Diana Tomchick 
>  wrote:
> 
> BSA Camp Sol Mayer in Menard County,

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Re: [Texascavers] A relative of Tom Meador?

[Nancy Weaver]

almost everything that occurs in war and most archaeology is.

> On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 
> It was a theft. 

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Re: [Texascavers] Unusual cave fatality

[Nancy Weaver]

> 
>> Cave gobbles up man in his own backyard:

little bit of anthropomorphizing there

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[Texascavers] adios redux

[Nancy Weaver]

turns out one needs to unsubscribe twice to make it happen so in the meantime, 
am pleasantly surprised by a couple supportive posts.  
what if we return this post to a caver campfire?   I’m sick to death of 
squabbling and caver topic police  who never have anything of interest to post 
but are quick to slam ‘unauthorized' posts.  
keep it private to cavers and give people one chance to learn to be civil, then 
toss them out.  
maybe then long term cavers would come back and we might all have conversations 
about whatever is of interest to us.
in 80’s and 90’s caver conversation ranged all over the world, included 
interesting ideas, inventions, and practical jokes.  and it was generally 
generous, not hateful.  
and for god’s sake, if you don’t care for what someone posts, ignore it.
this is not to slight the creator and maintainer of this forum, just to say 
maybe its time to change the way its done.
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers is a Public forum

[Nancy Weaver]

well, I’ve hung in here for a long time. but since next to nothing of caving 
interest is written these days and unintelligible rants and hysterical attacks 
are the norm, think I’ll find somewhere else to go.  adios.  and good luck
Nancy

> On Sep 29, 2019, at 3:23 PM, Joe Ranzau  wrote:
> 
> Folks - 
> 
> Please do not forget that this forum is public and has many members outside 
> of the caving community.  We have cave owners, regulatory agency personnel 
> and the general public interested in caves.  Use better judgement please.
> 
> This isn't bookface.  
> 
> Joe
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[Texascavers] Ernie

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie's Last Wishes were to be buried at sea. Since we couldnt find anyone to 
do that, he opted for cremation. That has been set in motion and I'll be able 
to pick up his ashes in a couple weeks. He never specifically talked about a 
memorial, but we all know how much he loved a party. and music. I think it 
would be nice to celebrate his life at TCR where many of his friends can gather 
and tell Ernie stories. I do not plan to organize anything more. If someone 
else would like to, they are welcome. If anyone would like to scatter some of 
his ashes in his many favorite places in the world, we can arrange that as well.
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[Texascavers] Rolling Oaks property for sale/ photos

[Nancy Weaver]

Country Caver Central
Limestone Lane home for sale on 7 acres. Well, septic, rainwater collection 
tanks. Woodstove and 2 mini split units for heat/ac. Wildlife and bird 
sanctuary. 495k or reasonable offer. Contact Nancy 512.924.3391

I have several dozen photos of property and inside home that I can share with 
anyone who writes me.  They are also posted as an album on FB page Underground 
Texas Grotto.  

Nancy


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[Texascavers] Fwd: Honey Creek Strategy Meeting – August 15th

[Nancy Weaver]

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Dear GEAA members and friends,
> 
> For those of us interested in protecting Honey Creek, it is time to get 
> organized.  As previously noted, a public meeting will be held on the permit 
> application of Silesia Properties to discharge 500,000 gallons/day into Honey 
> Creek (Permit No. WQ0015688001).  The discharge point is upstream of Honey 
> Creek State Natural Area and Guadalupe State Park. GEAA strongly objects to 
> direct discharge of sewage effluent into Honey Creek due to the high 
> potential of negative impacts to this crystal clear water.  Read GEAA's 
> comments here 
> .
> 
> To prepare for the TCEQ Public Meeting, GEAA will host a strategy meeting on 
> Thursday, August 15th at 6:00 p.m. at the Mammen Family Public Library (1 
> 31
>  Bulverde Crossing 
> ,
>  Bulverde, TX). At this strategy meeting we will coordinate testimony and 
> advise on how to best use the public meeting and other resources to advance 
> our cause.
> 
> The TCEQ Public Meeting will be held on Tuesday, August 20,2019 at 7:00 p.m. 
> at Rahe Bulverde Elementary School, 1715 East Ammann Road, Bulverde, Texas 
> 78163.  At the TCEQ meeting you will have the opportunity to ask questions 
> about the permit during the first half of the meeting and to make oral 
> comments for public record during the second half of the meeting.  Written 
> comments may also be submitted.
> 
> As part of your comments, you may request a contested case hearing, and you 
> may also request party standing in the contested case process.  Comments from 
> GEAA and others already submitted to TCEQ can be found under the Honey Creek 
> heading on GEAA's Waste Water Page 
> .
>   Feel free to use these as guides to writing your own comments.
> 
> Deadline for submitting comments is August 20, 2019.  You may submit written 
> comments on-line at www14.tceq.texas.gov/epic/eComment/ (click here 
> ).
>   To submit comments on-line refer to Permit No. WQ0015688001.
> 
> or you can mail comments to: Office of the Chief Clerk, TCEQ, Mail Code 
> MC-105, PO Box 13087, Austin, Texas 78711-3087
> 
> You can like our Save Honey Creek FaceBook page 
> 
>  to check for updates and add to the discussion.
> 
> We look forward to working with all of you to stop this travesty and hope to 
> see you at the upcoming strategy meeting on August 15th and at the TCEQ 
> meeting on August 20th.
> 
> Annalisa Peace
> 
> Executive Director
> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance 
> 
> You can donate to GEAA on line 
> 
>  or mail a check to PO Box 15618, San Antonio, Texas 78212
> 
> You can always keep up with interesting water news on GEAA's Face Book page 
> 
> 
> To learn more click here 
> 
>  
> Manage Your Subscription 
> 
> This message was sent to nan...@prismnet.com from annal...@aquiferalliance.org
> 
> Annalisa Peace
> Greater Edwards Aquifer Alliance
> 1809 Blanco Road
> San Antonio, Tx 78212
> 
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[Texascavers] land for sale

[Nancy Weaver]

contact Nancy Weaver privately 
if interested
Rolling Oaks Driftwood
515 Limestone Lane end of the road
7 acres, very private, with dense junipers around perimeter and open meadows in 
middle
shared drive, shared well with easy to get along with neighbor (John Schroeder, 
Kerrville musician and craftsman)
lovely 1br, 1bath house with decks and landscaping
mini split ac/heat and wood stove in living room
2 3,000 gallon rainwater tanks with guttering set up.
well is excellent quality in a deep pocket, according to Balcones Wells, the 
best in RO and will be the last to go dry.
septic system in place
RV on property with tenant.  Whether it comes with sale is negotiable

looking at about 500,000
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Re: [Texascavers] Caver Garage Sale this Saturday in ATX

[Nancy Weaver]

any left over camping equipment  Mobil Loaves and Fishes https://mlf.org/ 
  a community of tiny homes for formerly homeless may want.
Nancy

> On Jul 18, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Justin Shaw  wrote:
> 
> Large Garage Sale this Saturday, July 20
> 
> starts at 7am
> 
> 300 Mockingbird Ln W, Austin, TX 78745
> 
> https://goo.gl/maps/ScKKd1jehAuvwauY6
> 
> We are liquidating the remaining belongings of Lee Jay Graves. This is
> mostly all stuff he had stored in a climate controlled storage unit
> for many years - so it’s not a bunch of junk. There’s a lot of stuff,
> it mostly fills a 10x15 unit.
> 
> Over two dozen boxes of household goods plus several of camping gear,
> army surplus, and many more of “maker” items too.
> 
> Cavers - name your price, no reasonable offers refused; heck, some
> unreasonable offers may be accepted.
> 
> We will be donating the proceeds to the Underground Texas Grotto.
> 
> Also, If you have good stuff you want to be rid of, with proceeds
> going to UTG, you can arrange to drop it off Friday and we’ll sell it
> Saturday.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Justin Leigh Shaw
> 
> jus...@oztotl.net
> 
> 512-593-CAVE (2283) - mobile voice & text
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative,
> clear and coherent manner"
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[Texascavers] photo box

[Nancy Weaver]

If someone wants to step up and take the photo 'box' created by Ernie Garza 
please contact James Brown to unlock the gate. 321.895.4875. we are in the 
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

[Nancy Weaver]

thanks, loved your story.  and yes, I have laughed til it hurt and then thanked 
my lucky stars that I am not David.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] monsoons in tennessee

[Nancy Weaver]

fewer pics.  more stories.  
yr fan

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

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I’m amused by DL stories of convention.  and he is the only one posting that I 
know of.  I guess we all draw a personality in life and his might be cheerfully 
hapless.  there are far worse things to be.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] photographers

[Nancy Weaver]

Carl Kunath, James Jasek, Orion Knox and anyone else interested in camera 
equipment contact me privately about meeting up with Ernie to look at his huge 
collection of cameras and lighting props.
Ernie will be back from convention toward the end of June at which point we 
will continue to re home his no longer needed items.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] aide for Ernie

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie Garza needs a daily helper, preferably in caver family, to do cleaning 
and give him pills.  20 a shift.  should be doable in under an hour.  Get in 
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Re: [Texascavers] Calls from Don Broussard

[Nancy Weaver]

I’ve put in a call to David Honea to try to figure out what’s up with Don’s 
phone.  I assume the number has been coopted for spam calls.
I wouldn’t take any calls from Don’s number unless you want to take a chance 
that he is trying to contact you from over there.
Nancy


> I've had two calls from Don broussard's telephone number and wondered if you 
> might know who would have his phone?  

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Re: [Texascavers] Another cave rescue is happening in Virginia

[Nancy Weaver]

almost the perfect short story.
> 
> No helmets, handheld flashlights. Went into the cave to camp overnight. Then 
> it rained.
> 

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[Texascavers] Ernie and NSS Convention

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie is interested in getting a ride to convention this June in Tenn.  He 
would like to car camp in campground. He is happy to cover transportation 
costs.  Please contact Nancy to talk details.  
cheers,
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] William

[Nancy Weaver]

thanks, Katie.  I was going to post that I thought William would certainly 
prefer the cave keep its name.  I’m glad you spoke up
Nancy

> On Mar 26, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 
> Nope, Guys.  He HATED people who renamed known caves for no good reason, with 
> "good" meaning "correcting histoircal record on ownership and location". 
> -katie

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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell Picture by Mike McEachern

[Nancy Weaver]

oh this picture reminds me of another story.
William would come over and visit after a dig and I would generally insist we 
sit outside.  He told me that Cindy Spence (hope I’ve got that right)  John 
Spence’s wife, would hose him down before she let him in the house.
and then there was the time he and some other diggers went out for food at an 
all night dive.  The waitress could barely deal with the encrusted mud, but was 
silent until they paid.  Then she yelped  “even their money is dirty”
good times
Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] 5 pm Thursday update: William Russell

[Nancy Weaver]

adios, buddy.  see you again someday.
much love, katie
Nancy

> On Mar 21, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 
>  stopped breathing and went caving about twenty minutes ago. He's left the 
> building. 
> 
> Katherine Arens
>Phones: Office(512) 232-6363
> ar...@austin.utexas.edu 
>   Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
> Dept. of Germanic Studies
> FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300 
> Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
> University of Texas at Austin
> Office:  Burdine 320
> Austin, TX  78712-1802
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[Texascavers] Bill Russell

[Nancy Weaver]

I was lucky enough to have Terry Raines and Bill Russell as my caving mentors 
in the late 70’s early 80’s.  Between them I was turned onto the glories of 
Mexico and the thrill of exploring the huge ranches that are now south Austin 
after work.  
Bill was a great one for digging and crawlways and I learned to be a fan of 
tight spaces and buckets of rocks.  He was always up for something new;  one 
night we decided to leave the cave without any lights on, a tactile experience 
I’ve never forgotten.
William was also an excellent behind the scenes friend, in time of sickness or 
need.
Besides his passion for caving, it was always very clear how much Katie meant 
to William.  
He’s a lucky man to have gotten to live doing what he loved, surrounded by 
people he loved.
Whatever comes next I can see William enthusiastically tunneling his way into 
the great beyond.
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] Giant Caves of Northern Mexico

[Nancy Weaver]

never seen such a shiny clean bunch of cavers
Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] La Cueva del Precipicio, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, a weekend trip from Texas

[Nancy Weaver]

ok there is a story I want to hear
N
> 
> And there was the time Terry Raines set fire top the mountain. 

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Re: [Texascavers] La Cueva del Precipicio, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, a weekend trip from Texas

[Nancy Weaver]

while the pull down was indeed a fun experience, the long hike thru scrub 
to get all the way down was not nearly as much fun as screeing down the massive 
angle of repose arroyo.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] fascinating article about navigating in caves

[Nancy Weaver]

redux:  
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/02/getting-lost-cave-labyrinth-brain/582865/
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Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

[Nancy Weaver]

That can spark panic or free the mind.

panic hands down every time in my case.  which is almost every time I go 
anywhere.

no problem.  I am done with the caver self appointed self righteous  police.
more!

> On Feb 27, 2019, at 10:11 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Thanks Nancy! I constantly battle both left and right, whosoever wears 
> blinders is fair game!
>  
> But did anyone actually read the linked article in question? I wouldn’t have 
> even brought the subject up on this forum if it didn’t pertain to caves and 
> caving. 
>  
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/02/getting-lost-cave-labyrinth-brain/582865/
>  
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/02/getting-lost-cave-labyrinth-brain/582865/>
>  
> The author, Will Hunt, is a visiting scholar at the NYU Institute for Public 
> Knowledge. He is the author of Underground: A Human History of the Worlds 
> Beneath Our Feet.
>  
> Is that pertinent enough?
>  
> Sleazel
>  
>  
>  
> From: Texascavers  <mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com>> On Behalf Of Nancy Weaver
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 3:39 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Lost!
>  
> I for one value Sleaze’s wildly entertaining missives over almost anything 
> else posted here.  Can we please stop name calling and being the 'what 
> belongs here' police?  could you just make your own posts and let others make 
> theirs?  and for humility extra points maybe realize that some of us don’t 
> much like your posts, we just don’t bother to try and publicly shame you.
> Nancy
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Diana Tomchick 
>> > <mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:15 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com <mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com> 
>> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Now where was I?
>>  
>> Sleazel
>>  
>> —
>> 
>> 
>> Spouting racist and ethnocentric ideas, perhaps? 
>> 
>> 
>> Truly your uninformed speculations on the peoples of the world have nothing 
>> to do with this forum.
>> 
>> 
>> FWIW, a better source about the historical migration of human populations, 
>> derived from analysis of ancient DNA (much of which has been preserved in 
>> caves) can be found by consulting the work of David Reich, the author of 
>> “Who We Are and How We Got Here”:
>> 
>> 
>> https://reich.hms.harvard.edu <https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/>
>> 
>> 
>> https://smile.amazon.com/Who-Are-How-Got-Here/dp/110187032X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1551205927=8-2=who+we+are+and+how+we+got+here
>>  
>> <https://smile.amazon.com/Who-Are-How-Got-Here/dp/110187032X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1551205927=8-2=who+we+are+and+how+we+got+here>
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=990052wQywM=11s 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=990052wQywM=11s>
>> 
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
>> 
>>  **
>> Diana R. Tomchick
>> Professor
>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
>> UT Southwestern Medical Center
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214A
>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu <mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu>
>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>>  
>>  
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Re: [Texascavers] a caver story

[Nancy Weaver]

in my first years of Mexican caving esp on the tgiving xmas trips recall 
running into odd groups of cavers from all over the US in random, cavey, towns. 
 It felt like the whole country was a vast playground for cavers.
and in 1965 on a family vacation at Hotel Taninul, which had a very guano odor 
cave nightclub, I remember meeting another junior high kid named Blake Harrison.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Lost!

[Nancy Weaver]

I for one value Sleaze’s wildly entertaining missives over almost anything else 
posted here.  Can we please stop name calling and being the 'what belongs here' 
police?  could you just make your own posts and let others make theirs?  and 
for humility extra points maybe realize that some of us don’t much like your 
posts, we just don’t bother to try and publicly shame you.
Nancy

> On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:32 PM, Diana Tomchick 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:15 PM, bmorgan...@aol.com  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Now where was I?
>  
> Sleazel
>  
> —
> 
> Spouting racist and ethnocentric ideas, perhaps? 
> 
> Truly your uninformed speculations on the peoples of the world have nothing 
> to do with this forum.
> 
> FWIW, a better source about the historical migration of human populations, 
> derived from analysis of ancient DNA (much of which has been preserved in 
> caves) can be found by consulting the work of David Reich, the author of “Who 
> We Are and How We Got Here”:
> 
> https://reich.hms.harvard.edu 
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/Who-Are-How-Got-Here/dp/110187032X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8=1551205927=8-2=who+we+are+and+how+we+got+here
>  
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=990052wQywM=11s 
> 
> 
> Diana
> 
>  **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> UT Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
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[Texascavers] ernie ernie ernie

[Nancy Weaver]

Big caver gatherings at Ernies these days.  Come on out and join the fun.  He’s 
doing well right now.  BUT if you arrive and there is any sort of medical 
problem  PLEASE call me  512.924.3391 or KINDRED HOSPICE
512.393.9138, then me.  Do NOT call EMS
thanks to all
Nancy
ps  Ernies phone is 512.847.0183
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[Texascavers] Geary Schindel

[Nancy Weaver]

will you please contact me off list?

Nancy
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[Texascavers] Ernie and hospice

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie entered hospice last night.  His nurse will be Billy Goerdt and he will 
come weekly to check in.  Hospice will take over all medical care so I am 
cancelling further VA visits.  They will send aides 2-3 times a week to take 
care of physical therapy and hygiene.  I am still managing a daily breakfast 
and supper shift so he will have lots of eyes on him.  Hospice is delivering a 
hospital bed today which will make it far easier for E to get up and down.  He 
has been getting steadily more mobil after his most recent fall on the 8th and 
was using his walker to get around yesterday.  He is lucid and loves visits and 
phone calls.
This feels like a huge relief for both of us.  Decisions have been made and the 
extra help is very much appreciated.
Please share this with any of Ernie’s friends that you know.  He was part of 
many circles throughout the world and I only know a few of them.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] cameras

[Nancy Weaver]

OK  Call Ernie for descriptions of cameras  equipment and film  and negotiate 
price  512.847.0183
then, arrange a time to come out with me, so I am sure he is there,
512.924.3391.
Nancy
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[Texascavers] cameras

[Nancy Weaver]

I’ll go by today make a list of what he’s got and post that.  
N
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[Texascavers] Ernies Cameras

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie is selling his Digital and Film Cameras and studio equipment. Contact 
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[Texascavers] Ernie update

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Since coming home from rehab Ernie isn’t bouncing back and has been bedridden 
for the past week.  He and I had a long meeting with Billy Goerdt about what 
hospice can offer him.  Assuming he qualifies, we will start up as soon as 
possible.  I’ve arranged for local help to come in most mornings, make 
breakfast for him, help with meds and clean up.  And Don has offered to help 
most afternoons with heating up dinner.  Don also set up a remote so Ernie can 
watch tv.
Hopefully hospice can take most of the afternoon shifts and give Don a break.
Ernie and I also discussed the possibility of VA assisted living.  I need to 
visit with the VA social worker and find out what’s available.
Meanwhile, none of the doorways at Ernies are large enough for either a 
wheelchair or walker, so we looking to hire some caver carpenters to come 
enlarge doorways.  Doesn’t have to be pretty, just safe and large.  Please 
contact me if you are interested in the job.
Ernie has a phone by the bed and would love to talk with friends.  And visitors 
are always welcome, tho you should check with me to make sure he’s not at a dr 
appt at the time.  If you do visit, go around to the back door which will be 
unlocked, knock and open and come in.  Call out so he’s expecting you.  
thanks, all
Nancy
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[Texascavers] fracked gas pipeline meeting Wimberley Tuesday 530

[Nancy Weaver]

this should be of interest to anyone who cares about springs, caves and the 
environment.  Please come out if you possibly can.
do you know about the KinderMorgan fracked gas pipeline running from Ft 
Stockton to Katy passing within 1/4 mile of Jacobs Well and Rolling Oaks?   

There is an info meeting Tuesday (Jan 29) 530 Wimberley Community Center and 
KinderMorgan has said they will have reps in the audience. We are trying to 
pack the hall with overflow crowd.KM actually abandoned a British Columbia 
pipeline after major opposition, deciding to focus on their ‘operation in 
Texas’  yikes!  that’s us!
Nancy

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP9IXo3o7vY=2s 
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[Texascavers] Ernie Garza

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie has entered rehab at Warm Springs in Kyle for a week or so of rehab 
following a major infection/fever/collapse over the weekend.  
He is in room 234, phone number  512.268.9807
He appreciates phone calls from friends. Visiting is problematic as he will be 
doing a lot of therapy and there is no fixed schedule.
As I find out more I’ll post to texascavers and UTG facebook.  I appreciate 
your support and am using all my avail. time to figure out how to proceed next, 
so would rather not get calls and emails for now.
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[Texascavers] POSTPONED

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie’s land cleanup is postponed til further notice.  thanks to all who 
planned to help
Nancy
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[Texascavers] dumpster dive party

[Nancy Weaver]

Dumpster Divers For Ernie Jan 19, 20 I've found a good price on dumpsters. 
looks like weather good that weekend. let me know if you are thinking of 
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Re: [Texascavers] an old-timer story

[Nancy Weaver]

great tale, David.   a reminder that it is usually highly worthwhile to 
interact with those around us.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] The Explorers Club Texas Chapter - fall event

[Nancy Weaver]

Bill - could you post whether it is possible to just sign up for NBC tour?
Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] Bill's tale

[Nancy Weaver]

Bill Gassiot  Nancy

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Bob Burnett  wrote:
> 
> Who is the injured person? Please identify.

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[Texascavers] Bex salt mines

[Nancy Weaver]

best part of that tour for me was the amazing room sized ‘map’ of the mines 
which was a 3d light display in a darkened room.  that and the way the guard 
dealt with the fact that we had managed to lose our tickets between the sales 
office and the front gate . . .
nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration volunteers!

[Nancy Weaver]

boy how times change.  I loved the really old days of lets throw a party, pitch 
in where you can with money or help.  thanks to the thoughtful previous 
registrars who quietly made decisions based on something other than cash.  
Nancy

> On Aug 29, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Michael Cicherski  wrote:
> 
> Well written! 
> 
> Having run Registration, by myself for a number of years,  I can quietly 
> report that I have allowed more than a few to attend TCR who could not afford 
> it. Most of the time it was a quiet conversation with someone who had fallen 
> on hard times and just needed a little bit of a break.
> 
> I never made a big deal of it and never reported it on the books.
> 
> Oh, there were the normal goofballs who complained about having to pay full 
> amount, but I ignored them and after they ran out of hot air they paid the 
> proper fees.
> 
> Hope all is well,
> 
> Michael
> 
> On Aug 29, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Allan Cobb  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm with Mr. Loving on this. When I read that line about people without 
>> wristbands being thrown out, it raised my hackles. I ran TCR for a few 
>> years. I know the problem of people not registering. However, I never would 
>> have thrown people out for not registering. Is this what the community has 
>> devolved into?
>> 
>> There are a few cavers who always attend TCR, TSA Convention, etc. who pride 
>> themselves on not paying. I know who they are. When I would see them, at 
>> TCR, I would sometime make a comment to them, sometimes not. These are the 
>> same people who would pride themselves out of paying a $1 fee on TSA 
>> projects.
>> 
>> There are also cavers who paying the TCR registration would be a huge 
>> financial burden due to hard times. I usually had a pretty good idea of who 
>> those were. All they had to do was ask and I would comp them registration. I 
>> get it, I've had hard times too. Some of them were too proud to ask. I knew 
>> that too. I would have NEVER thrown those people out of TCR. They are part 
>> of the community.
>> I always heard people complain that they should not have to pay because they 
>> don't want to eat the meal. That's is a good point but the cost of the meal 
>> is only a small part of the registration fee. I've had people ask me to have 
>> a fee that doesn't include the meal. To them, I answered that the more 
>> complicated registration becomes that harder it is to get people to do it 
>> and the easier to make mistakes.
>> 
>> That said, here's why you SHOULD register for TCR, TSA Conventions, etc. 
>> These events require money. We have to pay for the site, we pay for 
>> portapotties, we pay for many incidentals. If you are one of those people 
>> who think you are too good to pay or it is a game not to pay, you are 
>> basically stealing from other cavers. You are directly responsible for 
>> raising the price for all of the cavers who pay. They costs are fixed for 
>> many of these events. The cost is divided among those who attend and pay. If 
>> you don't pay, your portion of the cost, your portion of the cost is passed 
>> on to other cavers. If you choose not to pay, at least thank all the people 
>> who did pay for paying your share as well.
>> 
>> "Throw people out" for not registering, bad idea. Shame them a bit, I'm fine 
>> with that. I am no longer running TCR so I don't really have any say in how 
>> it works. In the past, TCR has always been about bringing cavers together, 
>> the new cavers and us old cavers. TCR has been about friends getting 
>> together and hanging out. TCR has always been about seeing old friends and 
>> making new ones. However, if "throw them out" is the spirit of the "new" 
>> TCR, perhaps it is time to end this long running tradition.
>> Allan Cobb
>> Retired TCR Big Cheese and Caver Wrangler
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/29/2018 6:23 AM, Charles Loving wrote:
>>>  I wrote a nasty comment on the getting thown out for not having the proper 
>>> identity band but didn't post it. 
>>> Old Man Wisdom
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 7:11 PM TSA Membership Chair >> > wrote:
>>> Hi all! 
>>> 
>>> We're still a little over a month out, but I figured I'd start the waters 
>>> churning for volunteers to help in shifts for registration. I've got a 
>>> number of shifts ranging from 2 to 4 hours that need to be filled. I'll be 
>>> there all shifts, but I need one other person to help me out with paperwork 
>>> and such for each shift. I also need an outgoing personality to spend some 
>>> time on Saturday wandering to each camp area to make sure everyone has 
>>> their wristband.
>>> 
>>> I have been informed that if you don't have a wristband this year, you will 
>>> be kicked out... so... y'all should all register as soon as you get to camp 
>>> (cash or check only this year!)! 
>>> I'll send out a separate email closer to the date with registration info 
>>> for those who won't be volunteering, so you know when registration will be 
>>> 

Re: [Texascavers] land for sale

[Nancy Weaver]

Charlie - call 512.924.3391 if you want more info.  Nancy

> On Aug 18, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> 
> I am thinkingon it.

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[Texascavers] land for sale

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie Garza is selling his property with a 3 year Life Estate clause.  
Essentially that means that title transfers to buyer AND Ernie continues to 
live there for up to 3 years or unless he moves out earlier, details 
negotiable. 
Property is 444 Billie Brooks Lane, Driftwood 78619, better known as Rolling 
Oaks, surrounded by musicians, cavers and even a well known dig.  The place is 
3.91 acres with some of the largest finest oaks in the neighborhood.  
The main building is a Metal Mart 24x40 foot kit, bolt anchored to a 4 inch 
slab.  Ceiling is 10 feet at walls 12 feet at peak.  Walls and ceiling are 
insulated and sheetrocked.  Half the floor is 12 inch tile, the other half 
painted concrete.  
Attached to main building is a frame structure with kitchen, bath, bedroom.  
There is no well.
A fully functional 3,000 gallon rainwater collection system with UV is plumbed 
to kitchen and bathroom.
Half of the roof is guttered, full capability is easily 10,000 more gallons.

There are several outbuildings for storage and one that is set up as a 
woodshop.  We are starting the process of completely clearing the property of 
debris,  to be done before end of year.

Asking price, for sale by owner, is $170,000.  Comparables for Rolling Oaks 
available at https://www.realtyaustin.com/rolling-oaks.php 
<https://www.realtyaustin.com/rolling-oaks.php>

Please contact Nancy Weaver off list if interested in more details and feel 
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[Texascavers] PMI Rope for sale

[Nancy Weaver]

12.5 mm sport max 61 meters.  white w/orange 
2 still in original bags dated sept 2011.  stored in dark dry shed.
223$ online from PMI (plus shipping)  for sale 200 each or best offer.  
I’m helping Ernie Garza to dispose of surplus items.  I’ll be inventorying his 
woodworking equipment and whatever else he is ready to release.  Please contact 
if interested in any of this and feel free to share with other lists.  All 
items must be picked up in Rolling Oaks, Driftwood.
Nancy 
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Re: [Texascavers] [Sandia Grotto]: Re: [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

[Nancy Weaver]

well this thread makes David’s post seeming charming and whimsical.  Maybe 
everyone could take a cold bath.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] McNatt

[Nancy Weaver]

yikes.  just sent him an email.  thanks.  Nancy

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Jim Kennedy  wrote:
> 
> Logan just called me. His computer was stolen while he was in Belize. So he 
> isn't online for a while. Call him if you need to reach him. 

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[Texascavers] Pete

[Nancy Weaver]

first vivid memory   tall thin guy standing on a huge rock at the bottom of 
Bustamonte, baby in a backpack and airplane landing light . . .

Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Update on the Thailand cave rescue - Day 10

[Nancy Weaver]

> the boys should have wrung out their wet clothes and huddled together at 
> nighttime for warmth.

smile.  how would they know when it was nighttime?
Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie and dead vehicles

[Nancy Weaver]

thnx

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> If the sedan is a Saturn, it belongs to don Cooper. Also, Terry indicated an 
> interest in the Toyota.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m clearing up Ernie Garza’s place and having dead, abandoned vehicles 
>> hauled off.  If you left a 2 door sedan or catamaran in his yard, please 
>> contact me immediately to have it removed or hauled away.
>> 
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[Texascavers] Ernie and dead vehicles

[Nancy Weaver]

I’m clearing up Ernie Garza’s place and having dead, abandoned vehicles hauled 
off.  If you left a 2 door sedan or catamaran in his yard, please contact me 
immediately to have it removed or hauled away.

Nancy
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[Texascavers] seeking Don Coons

[Nancy Weaver]

Don please get in touch with me re: car and boat at Ernie Garza’s place.  
thanks Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas culture related

[Nancy Weaver]

wow.  riveting contest.
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Ernie Garza's new email address

[Nancy Weaver]

Ernie has a lot of Dr appts coming up, but would love a phone call 512.847.0183 
 or email.  and when he gets home from surgery would really love a visit.

Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] lava related

[Nancy Weaver]

super cool videos.  thanks  Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] La Chonta - part 2

[Nancy Weaver]

nice reminder of very bygone era in mexico.
Nancy

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Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Nancy Weaver]

and yet nobody posts anything about caving.  Charlie’s paintings are really 
happy making for me.  and David always presents a world I had no idea existed.  
I really do not understand this ongoing angst about whats posted here. 
Nancy


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Re: [Texascavers] some recent obituaries

[Nancy Weaver]

> 
> 
> Zoraida López González, daughter of Francisco López Balseiro and Pastora 
> González Sarmiento, was born in Havana, Cuba, on January 24, 1928 
> (misreported as September 27, 1928) and passed away on March 12, 2018, at the 
> age of 90 years.
love this report on a fascinating woman.  reminds me of my friend of an equal 
age who lives in Real de Catorce now but grew up as a debutante in Mexico City 
and went to parties and university with the Castro brothers, before they, too, 
moved to Cuba.
here’s my offering of poetry.  sadly it does not specify caves BUT it does 
cover all the elements caves are made of.
http://vis.sciencemag.org/chemhaiku/ 
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Re: [Texascavers] This day in speleo-history

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pretty amusing.  Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] giving away books

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

Bill - I’d be happy to take all the books that are not claimed to Inside Books. 
 They *love* textbooks as well as everything else.  They provide books for 
prisoners in Texas.  Let me know if you’re interested and when I could come by 
and pick them up.

Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] 2017 related

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

re:  a little more kindness.  Yes, I also enjoy DL’s stories and IF I’M NOT IN 
THE MOOD, I BYPASS THEM.   Just like I do with anything else I’m not in the 
mood for.  As to the handful of incredibly spiteful posters, I find you far 
more unnecessary.
David at least is sharing his perspective and tales of a certain life.  You, 
and you know who you are, are simply showing your meanness.
Tales of Redding Grotto and if you were lucky enough to get the book version of 
the caver logbook are a window into fringe and interesting times and people.

Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] Spider caver Galapagos connections

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

pretty sure you mean james reddell


> On Nov 3, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Sleazeweazel via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> William G Reed
> James R Purrell who turns out to be an expert on caves in Mexico and Belize

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Re: [Texascavers] Just for fun

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

never forget when and how

> Who? What? Where?
> 
> Sleazeweazel
> 

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Re: [Texascavers] A personal intimate story

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

pretty amazing view into a border family   way different from any experiences 
I’ve had.  thanks for sharing
Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Indiana University freshman found after surviving three days in a cave

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

wasn’t someone left behind at honey creek a couple years ago?  stranded at the 
shaft entrance
Nancy

> On Sep 22, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lee. Does anyone know of a similar incident like this where someone 
> has been inadvertently locked inside a cave?
> Ironic that his name is Cavar.

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Re: [Texascavers] Houston question

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

ah good.  then he’s ok.

Nancy
> On Aug 29, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> He's at his house with his wife and daughter and complaining about 
> everything

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Re: [Texascavers] Houston question

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

Sheryl if you get in touch w David send my and many others best wishes to them.

Nancy
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[Texascavers] more footage

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

thursday aft I returned from a 7 week housesit on the coast due west of 
rockport.  I spent that time paddling swimming eating out in all these places.  
No idea how my house fared.  Wont know til owners can get back in.  May be a 
while
Nancy
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[Texascavers] videos of lockport

[Nancy Weaver via Texascavers]

start with aerial.  a whole series of amazing videos taken by storm chasers.  
they remind me of covers
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