Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Jerry -- Thanks. If I find any that the AMCS doesn't already have and the scans in the KIP archive are inadequate, I'll let you know. There well might be some from ~1970, when the AMCS Newsletter wasn't coming out regularly but there was a lot of Mexican caving going on. -- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Bill, Many thanks for your careful perusal of the Texas Caver archive and fixing some errors. Was the missing issue you were looking for 1986 no. 2? It was not in the archive I downloaded, but it is in KIP, although in a strange fashion. Their issues for 1986 are not all in numerical order, and there is not one called no. 2. However there are two called no. 6, but the first one (April issue) is in fact no. 2. The confusion may stem from the fact that the issue itself says Vol. 31, No. 6; April, 1986, but it clearly isn't, and is different from the real no. 6 (December issue). George Veni - maybe you could call this to KIP's attention and have them fix the name of that file. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, November 12, 2014 2:43 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Mark, I've passed your message and Bill's. We appreciate such notes that help us fix errors and improve the Portal's operation. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 2014/11/12 15:40 (GMT-07:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Bill, Many thanks for your careful perusal of the Texas Caver archive and fixing some errors. Was the missing issue you were looking for 1986 no. 2? It was not in the archive I downloaded, but it is in KIP, although in a strange fashion. Their issues for 1986 are not all in numerical order, and there is not one called no. 2. However there are two called no. 6, but the first one (April issue) is in fact no. 2. The confusion may stem from the fact that the issue itself says Vol. 31, No. 6; April, 1986, but it clearly isn't, and is different from the real no. 6 (December issue). George Veni - maybe you could call this to KIP's attention and have them fix the name of that file. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, November 12, 2014 2:43 pm, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Yes, it was #2. It was not in the set that Mike provided links to, I'm pretty sure. It stands out pretty well in a folder display because it is the one with color cover. Perhaps Mike had not downloaded it, seeing it as a duplicate. But also it was a membership list issue, and I see indications that there was a conspiracy against those issues getting on the web, although it was not done consistently. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to hide the addresses and phone numbers in the 1997 members manual; see 1997 #1. But some membership list issues were there, and some are on the TSA web site in the members' area. In addition to the things I put in the link in the message you saw, I also scanned the TSA members manuals for 2005, 2007, and 2009. Those were distributed by the TSA but not as numbered issues of the Texas Caver. I figured I'd humor the people who had obviously hidden that info. I did send a link to those scans to TSA and TSS leaders so they could archive them. If you're interested, that link is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20secret.zip Now I have to go through all the Texas Cavers looking for maps that are not yet in the AMCS set on the web. I probably won't bother to add a Texas Caver credit at the bottom of the maps that are already on our web site; there would be an awful lot of them, because there was a good bit of duplication between the TC and the AMCS. It isn't easy to add a new line of text to an existing PDF. Hope I don't find too many maps in pre-1972 TCs that are bad because KIP used Veni's bound copies.-- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
Bill, If you have some maps that you need scanned for the AMCS, I have a complete set of TxCvrs that is essentially unbound. Jerry Atkinson jerryat...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Yes, it was #2. It was not in the set that Mike provided links to, I'm pretty sure. It stands out pretty well in a folder display because it is the one with color cover. Perhaps Mike had not downloaded it, seeing it as a duplicate. But also it was a membership list issue, and I see indications that there was a conspiracy against those issues getting on the web, although it was not done consistently. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to hide the addresses and phone numbers in the 1997 members manual; see 1997 #1. But some membership list issues were there, and some are on the TSA web site in the members' area. In addition to the things I put in the link in the message you saw, I also scanned the TSA members manuals for 2005, 2007, and 2009. Those were distributed by the TSA but not as numbered issues of the Texas Caver. I figured I'd humor the people who had obviously hidden that info. I did send a link to those scans to TSA and TSS leaders so they could archive them. If you're interested, that link is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20secret.zip Now I have to go through all the Texas Cavers looking for maps that are not yet in the AMCS set on the web. I probably won't bother to add a Texas Caver credit at the bottom of the maps that are already on our web site; there would be an awful lot of them, because there was a good bit of duplication between the TC and the AMCS. It isn't easy to add a new line of text to an existing PDF. Hope I don't find too many maps in pre-1972 TCs that are bad because KIP used Veni's bound copies.-- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
The Karst Information Portal crew went to the trouble of redacting certain information requested by TSA when TSA gave permission for the Texas Cavers to be posted. If the current officers wish the unredacted issues to be posted, that can be arranged but please note that this all takes effort and regular switching back and forth between redacted and unredacted versions is discouraged. If the current officers wish to make this change, please contact me off-post. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: 2014/11/12 20:04 (GMT-07:00) To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Yes, it was #2. It was not in the set that Mike provided links to, I'm pretty sure. It stands out pretty well in a folder display because it is the one with color cover. Perhaps Mike had not downloaded it, seeing it as a duplicate. But also it was a membership list issue, and I see indications that there was a conspiracy against those issues getting on the web, although it was not done consistently. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to hide the addresses and phone numbers in the 1997 members manual; see 1997 #1. But some membership list issues were there, and some are on the TSA web site in the members' area. In addition to the things I put in the link in the message you saw, I also scanned the TSA members manuals for 2005, 2007, and 2009. Those were distributed by the TSA but not as numbered issues of the Texas Caver. I figured I'd humor the people who had obviously hidden that info. I did send a link to those scans to TSA and TSS leaders so they could archive them. If you're interested, that link is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20secret.zip Now I have to go through all the Texas Cavers looking for maps that are not yet in the AMCS set on the web. I probably won't bother to add a Texas Caver credit at the bottom of the maps that are already on our web site; there would be an awful lot of them, because there was a good bit of duplication between the TC and the AMCS. It isn't easy to add a new line of text to an existing PDF. Hope I don't find too many maps in pre-1972 TCs that are bad because KIP used Veni's bound copies.-- Bill Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive
For those of you wondering if you have a complete set of Texas Cavers, attached is an Excel spreadsheet that documents all issues that were published. Also, if you are looking for information on a specific cave or caving area, the Texas Speleological Survey provides a downloadable and searchable bibliography of Texas caving (TexBib) on its website. Jerry Atkinson jerryat...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 12, 2014 12:43 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers magazine archive Many thanks to the people at the Karst Information Portal for making image files of old Texas Cavers and to Mike what's-his-name for assembling them into a manageable number of large ZIP files for us to download. I have done that. My own collection of paper copies goes back to 1972. In the process of looking there for an issue missing from the on-line set, I noticed that two large, folded maps that had been included with 1986 number 4 were not in the file for that issue. That led me to do additional checks. Because the KIP scans (actually, photographs, I think) were made from copies bound in thick volumes, there were quite a few cases where large chunks of centerfold maps were missing because they got lost in the binding. There were a few other anomalies, such as foldouts that were incomplete or missing. The version of 1976 #12 I downloaded was a defective file, and I fetched a new copy from KIP. I scanned my own copies of a few missing issues. I have placed a very large (550MB) ZIP file of 28 issues at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/TC%20new.zip They will stay there for a couple of weeks. If these are used to supplement or replace the ones in the KIP set, they should add up to a complete set from 1972 on (assuming that there really were only two issues in 2004). The resulting collection of files are not, mostly, presentable enough to be put somewhere like the TSA web site, but they are complete and adequate for archival purposes. (Even the few issues I scanned are not the best I could have done.) I urge anyone who has downloaded the KIP versions to update the set from my ZIP file for his permanent collection. Maybe someone else can do something similar for issues earlier than 1972. -- Bill Mixon PS Don't tell me I need to get a life. Hardcore armchair caving _is_ a life. Ack! Christmas decorations already. This might be a good time to spend a couple of months in Saudi Arabia. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers TexasCaverMasterList.xls Description: MS-Excel spreadsheet ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine
Hi All, I got my current issue of the Texas Cavers and I didn't know that it had a little plastic tape thingy on the open side and when I went to open it... It ripped. I am sure that it was placed there to keep it from flying open and getting mangled by the USPS... Anyways warning to others to be careful and not rip your magazine... Bill ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine
Hi cavers, Currently The Texas Caver does not have enough articles to publish next issue. ( promised or delivered articles) We could use a write up about the TSA convention from someone. Are there any trip reports? There is about 1½ weeks to get your articles in . Grotto presidents, please remind your grotto members to contribute at your meetings! Thanks for your support. J _signature 713 805 6214 image001.png Description: Binary data
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine
Hi cavers, Currently The Texas Caver does not have enough articles to publish next issue. ( promised or delivered articles) We could use a write up about the TSA convention from someone. Are there any trip reports? There is about 1½ weeks to get your articles in . Grotto presidents, please remind your grotto members to contribute at your meetings! Thanks for your support. J _signature 713 805 6214 image001.png Description: Binary data
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine
Thanks to all who have sent well wishes, advice, and even articles and photos so far to the fall issue of the Texas Caver Magazine. I'm very grateful for the positive support and looking forward to my first upcoming publication. I hope you will like the changes you see. I've been asked to post the guidelines on cavetex to help make sure everyone is reminded of the submission requirements, but more important my contact information. jill...@swbell.net or publicati...@cavetexas.org . Send articles and photos via e-mail, CD, jump drive, or Drop Box only. No paper copies. . Do not send articles in PFD format. Acceptable formats are: doc, docx, rtx, txt, or email body. . Please do not format your text except for emphasis (i.e., italics, bold, underline). . Photos must be minimum 150 dpi (actual size) and 300 dpi preferably. Contact me if you have any questions. . Photos cannot be imbedded in a word document, pdf, email body, or Powerpoint. Link them to the mail or send via Drop Box or Flicker link. . Contact me for Drop Box access. I can accept articles and photos at any time, however please be aware that if it's close to a deadline, materials may be reserved for a future publication. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Jill
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine
Thanks to all who have sent well wishes, advice, and even articles and photos so far to the fall issue of the Texas Caver Magazine. I'm very grateful for the positive support and looking forward to my first upcoming publication. I hope you will like the changes you see. I've been asked to post the guidelines on cavetex to help make sure everyone is reminded of the submission requirements, but more important my contact information. jill...@swbell.net or publicati...@cavetexas.org . Send articles and photos via e-mail, CD, jump drive, or Drop Box only. No paper copies. . Do not send articles in PFD format. Acceptable formats are: doc, docx, rtx, txt, or email body. . Please do not format your text except for emphasis (i.e., italics, bold, underline). . Photos must be minimum 150 dpi (actual size) and 300 dpi preferably. Contact me if you have any questions. . Photos cannot be imbedded in a word document, pdf, email body, or Powerpoint. Link them to the mail or send via Drop Box or Flicker link. . Contact me for Drop Box access. I can accept articles and photos at any time, however please be aware that if it's close to a deadline, materials may be reserved for a future publication. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Jill
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Magazine
Thanks to all who have sent well wishes, advice, and even articles and photos so far to the fall issue of the Texas Caver Magazine. I'm very grateful for the positive support and looking forward to my first upcoming publication. I hope you will like the changes you see. I've been asked to post the guidelines on cavetex to help make sure everyone is reminded of the submission requirements, but more important my contact information. jill...@swbell.net or publicati...@cavetexas.org . Send articles and photos via e-mail, CD, jump drive, or Drop Box only. No paper copies. . Do not send articles in PFD format. Acceptable formats are: doc, docx, rtx, txt, or email body. . Please do not format your text except for emphasis (i.e., italics, bold, underline). . Photos must be minimum 150 dpi (actual size) and 300 dpi preferably. Contact me if you have any questions. . Photos cannot be imbedded in a word document, pdf, email body, or Powerpoint. Link them to the mail or send via Drop Box or Flicker link. . Contact me for Drop Box access. I can accept articles and photos at any time, however please be aware that if it's close to a deadline, materials may be reserved for a future publication. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Jill
