Re: [Texascavers] Zika
You mean all this good non caving information? Fritz Holt fritz...@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers > wrote: > > Damn, I wish people would remember to sign their emails. I would like to know > who posted all this good information. > > Jim Kennedy > > Mobile email from my iPhone > > > Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika > related illness when they are exposed. It's not 'spiraling out of control' - > it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go > through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all > live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone > Star fever? >> >> Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing >> specific to Zika. >> >> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers >> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in >> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills >> 1 million people a year. >> >> RK >> >> See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php >> Symptoms of Zika virus >> >> Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. >> Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 >> Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2 >> Fever >> Rash >> Joint pain >> Conjunctivitis (red eyes) >> Muscle pain >> Headache >> Pain behind the eyes >> Vomiting. >> According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people >> infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the >> figure is 1 in 5. >> In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing >> Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré >> syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central >> nervous system.6 >> Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant >> hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a >> result.6 >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Gmail screenshot ... see image attachment with names of senders ... not sure if cavetex allows images in emails ... if not oh too bad sorry. [image: Inline image 1] On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:37 AM, Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > Strangely enough, I used to see names, if only occasionally, but for this > thread I see only “texascavers@texascavers.com. Even on this reply. This > might have been caused by an Apple update but the fact remains, not > everyone can see who is mailing to the texascavers remailer. Jacqui > > > J. LaRue Thomas > jlrtho...@verizon.net > > > > On May 24, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > > > Not on every mail reader. Not on my iPhone, until I attempt reply. > > > > > > --Don > > > > On May 24, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > > >> A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as > "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature > follows.) > >> > >> Scott D. Boyd > >> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR > >> Professional Transportation, Inc. > >> > >> On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" < > texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > >> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being > from texascavers.com. Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put > your name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author. It's a > common courtesy. > >> > >> Jim Kennedy > >> > >> > >> My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. > >> > >> ___ > >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > >> > >> ___ > >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ > > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > -- Lyndon Tiu ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Strangely enough, I used to see names, if only occasionally, but for this thread I see only “texascavers@texascavers.com. Even on this reply. This might have been caused by an Apple update but the fact remains, not everyone can see who is mailing to the texascavers remailer. Jacqui J. LaRue Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net > On May 24, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers > wrote: > > Not on every mail reader. Not on my iPhone, until I attempt reply. > > > --Don > > On May 24, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers > wrote: > >> A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as "Crash >> Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature >> follows.) >> >> Scott D. Boyd >> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR >> Professional Transportation, Inc. >> >> On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" >> wrote: >> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from >> texascavers.com. Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your >> name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author. It's a common >> courtesy. >> >> Jim Kennedy >> >> >> My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
I got your "mic drop", how about something CAVING. Boom. --Don > Also, for Texas cavers it sounds like signing emails is a bigger issue then > zika. Just saying. > -gp ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Smallpox. Mic drop on anyone anti vax. Also, for Texas cavers it sounds like signing emails is a bigger issue then zika. Just saying. -gp On May 24, 2016 10:21 PM, "Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers" < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: Malaria is a parasite not a virus, different bird. We actually do pretty good job developing resistence to chickenpox, hence vaccination program wasn't deemed viable until 1990s. And vaccines aren't harmless - no autism significance as of now - but small but real possibility of demyelinating processes. Vaccine is completely effective in 40 percent of kids. Childhood varicella vaccinations are also likely responsible for adult shingles epidemic now - vaccine just isn't as good at long term protection. No need to worry - there are medication and vaccine for shingles now!! And more research is always needed;). No such thing as no risk in investment - or medicine. RK > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 01:01:59 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Develop resistance in the same way that we’ve done with malaria and chickenpox? > > Thanks goodness for vaccines and anti-malarial drugs…which are still being developed, due to problems with resistance. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > On May 24, 2016, at 7:37 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > > > Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion will follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 years from now. What's a few billions among friends? > > > > But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern us until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any of hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year look out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts another emergent spending bill;). > > > > Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing special, except CV padding material. > > > > Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;). > > > > RK > > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 + > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, Rafal Kedzierski. > > > > > > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background. > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > ** > > > Diana R. Tomchick > > > Professor > > > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > > > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > > > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > > > Rm. ND10.214A > > > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > > > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > > > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > > > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > > > > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes. > > > > > > > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we just need 'mo taxes'. > > > > > > > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 'mo'. > > > > > > > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 + > > > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and see how far that argument gets you. > >
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Malaria is a parasite not a virus, different bird. We actually do pretty good job developing resistence to chickenpox, hence vaccination program wasn't deemed viable until 1990s. And vaccines aren't harmless - no autism significance as of now - but small but real possibility of demyelinating processes. Vaccine is completely effective in 40 percent of kids. Childhood varicella vaccinations are also likely responsible for adult shingles epidemic now - vaccine just isn't as good at long term protection. No need to worry - there are medication and vaccine for shingles now!! And more research is always needed;). No such thing as no risk in investment - or medicine. RK > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 01:01:59 + > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Develop resistance in the same way that we’ve done with malaria and > chickenpox? > > Thanks goodness for vaccines and anti-malarial drugs…which are still being > developed, due to problems with resistance. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > On May 24, 2016, at 7:37 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > > > Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion > > dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or > > about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion > > will follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 > > years from now. What's a few billions among friends? > > > > But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern > > us until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then > > likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any > > of hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year > > look out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts > > another emergent spending bill;). > > > > Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing > > special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing > > special, except CV padding material. > > > > Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;). > > > > RK > > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 + > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, > > > Rafal Kedzierski. > > > > > > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your > > > background. > > > > > > Diana > > > > > > ** > > > Diana R. Tomchick > > > Professor > > > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > > > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > > > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > > > Rm. ND10.214A > > > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > > > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > > > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > > > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > > > > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes. > > > > > > > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that > > > > we just need 'mo taxes'. > > > > > > > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely > > > > maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more > > > > 'mo'. > > > > > > > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 + > > > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > > > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry > > > > > > about and see how far that argume
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Not on every mail reader. Not on my iPhone, until I attempt reply. --Don > On May 24, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers > wrote: > > A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as "Crash > Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature follows.) > > Scott D. Boyd > GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR > Professional Transportation, Inc. > >> On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" >> wrote: >> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from >> texascavers.com. Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your >> name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author. It's a common >> courtesy. >> >> Jim Kennedy >> >> >>> My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. >> >> ___ >> Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com >> Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ >> http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature follows.) Scott D. Boyd GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR Professional Transportation, Inc. On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" < texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from > texascavers.com. Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your > name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author. It's a common > courtesy. > > Jim Kennedy > > > >> My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. >> > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from texascavers.com. Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author. It's a common courtesy. Jim Kennedy > My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
The remailer for texascavers doesn't show it unless replied to. --Don > My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Develop resistance in the same way that we’ve done with malaria and chickenpox? Thanks goodness for vaccines and anti-malarial drugs…which are still being developed, due to problems with resistance. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On May 24, 2016, at 7:37 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion > dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or > about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion will > follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 years > from now. What's a few billions among friends? > > But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern us > until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then > likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any of > hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year look > out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts another > emergent spending bill;). > > Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing > special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing special, > except CV padding material. > > Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;). > > RK > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 + > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, > > Rafal Kedzierski. > > > > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background. > > > > Diana > > > > ** > > Diana R. Tomchick > > Professor > > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > > Rm. ND10.214A > > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > > > > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes. > > > > > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that > > > we just need 'mo taxes'. > > > > > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely > > > maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more > > > 'mo'. > > > > > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 + > > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry > > > > > about and see how far that argument gets you. > > > > > > > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get > > > > pregnant? > > > > > > > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) > > > > > > > > Stefan Creaser > > > > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM > > > > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. > > > > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. > > > > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On > > > > Behalf Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM > > > > To: Cave Tex > > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > > > > > > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 > > > > > mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k > > > > > people die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in > > > > > India. Malaria kills 1 million people a year. > > > > > &
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Slow learner. Wow. I guess you don't know me very well. The third plague was lice/gnats/flees (depending on your translation of Hebrew). Look up Exodus 8:16. It's not a great leap of logic to figure that could have led to the diseases of the later plagues. My full name is in my email. I haven't used a .sig since the '90s. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: > Reply to yet another unsigned post by a slow learner. I'm no Biblical > scholar, but I don't think insects had anything at all to do with the ten > plagues of Egypt, except, for course, for the locusts that were themselves > one of them. Check your Old Testament. > > Until fairly recently (nineteenth century?), malaria wasn't associated with > mosquitoes, and the same is true of yellow fever, etc. One reads of malaria > being caused by miasmas associated with swamps and marshes. In fact, malaria > is _named for_ bad air. Of course the ancients might have made some correct > associations that then were forgotten, only to be resurrected later. > -- Mixon > > What great comfort is there to be derived from a wife well obeyed!—Anthony > Trollope, Barchester Towers > > You may "reply" to the address this message > (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion will follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 years from now. What's a few billions among friends? But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern us until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any of hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year look out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts another emergent spending bill;). Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing special, except CV padding material. Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;). RK > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 + > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, Rafal > Kedzierski. > > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes. > > > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we > > just need 'mo taxes'. > > > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely > > maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more > > 'mo'. > > > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist. > > > > RK > > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 + > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry > > > > about and see how far that argument gets you. > > > > > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get > > > pregnant? > > > > > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) > > > > > > Stefan Creaser > > > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM > > > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. > > > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. > > > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf > > > Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM > > > To: Cave Tex > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > > > > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 > > > > mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k > > > > people die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in > > > > India. Malaria kills 1 million people a year. > > > > > > > > > Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in > > > embryonic cell cultures. > > > > > > "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates > > > Their Growth” > > > Tang, Hengli et al. > > > Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590 > > > > > > For a freely available description of this research, > > > > > > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells > > > > > > The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather > > > well: > > > > > > "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the > > > placenta and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.” > > > > > > If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the > > > population is female (~100 million), and of that on
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Reply to yet another unsigned post by a slow learner. I'm no Biblical scholar, but I don't think insects had anything at all to do with the ten plagues of Egypt, except, for course, for the locusts that were themselves one of them. Check your Old Testament. Until fairly recently (nineteenth century?), malaria wasn't associated with mosquitoes, and the same is true of yellow fever, etc. One reads of malaria being caused by miasmas associated with swamps and marshes. In fact, malaria is _named for_ bad air. Of course the ancients might have made some correct associations that then were forgotten, only to be resurrected later. -- Mixon What great comfort is there to be derived from a wife well obeyed!—Anthony Trollope, Barchester Towers You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
>It is interesting that there is no mention of scary mosquitoes in any of the >religious text even though they are believed to have predated all hominids Perhaps not by specific name, but you might want to read about the 10 plagues of Egypt. Biting insects lead up to diseased livestock, boils, and the death of children. I have no clue what your parents taught you about religion, but you certainly came away with some weird ideas about it. On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:04 PM, David via Texascavers wrote: > It is interesting that there is no mention of scary mosquitoes in any of the > religious text even though they are believed to have predated all hominids. > > There is a common story about a giant immortal invisible talking snake that > travels the Earth faster than the speed of light talking telepathically to > every human simultaneously, and on a whim changes shape into a large ugly > red homonid with horns that has all the magical powers of fire, lava and > brimstone.The only part of that I have a hard time believing is he or > she being on opposite sides of the Earth at the same exact moment he or she > is deep down in the Earth's core. > > My own loving mother, who is a teacher, bless her soul, firmly believes this > story as an undeniable fact, as does my stepfather who has a PHD in computer > science and a Masters in Physics, as did my loving grandmother, and my > entire family, as do the candidates for POTUS. > > I was force-fed that story for 17 years, before escaping on my own will > power. > > In summary, it is a good idea to install bug-zappers around the patio and > porch and in southeast Texas install them in the house. > > David Locklear > > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
It is interesting that there is no mention of scary mosquitoes in any of the religious text even though they are believed to have predated all hominids. There is a common story about a giant immortal invisible talking snake that travels the Earth faster than the speed of light talking telepathically to every human simultaneously, and on a whim changes shape into a large ugly red homonid with horns that has all the magical powers of fire, lava and brimstone.The only part of that I have a hard time believing is he or she being on opposite sides of the Earth at the same exact moment he or she is deep down in the Earth's core. My own loving mother, who is a teacher, bless her soul, firmly believes this story as an undeniable fact, as does my stepfather who has a PHD in computer science and a Masters in Physics, as did my loving grandmother, and my entire family, as do the candidates for POTUS. I was force-fed that story for 17 years, before escaping on my own will power. In summary, it is a good idea to install bug-zappers around the patio and porch and in southeast Texas install them in the house. David Locklear ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, Rafal Kedzierski. It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes. > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we > just need 'mo taxes'. > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely maternal > fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 'mo'. > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist. > > RK > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 + > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about > > > and see how far that argument gets you. > > > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get > > pregnant? > > > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) > > > > Stefan Creaser > > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM > > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. > > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. > > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of > > Diana Tomchick via Texascavers > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM > > To: Cave Tex > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 > > > mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people > > > die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. > > > Malaria kills 1 million people a year. > > > > > > Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in > > embryonic cell cultures. > > > > "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their > > Growth” > > Tang, Hengli et al. > > Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590 > > > > For a freely available description of this research, > > > > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells > > > > The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well: > > > > "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the > > placenta and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.” > > > > If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population > > is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 > > million) and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 > > million), and 1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that > > would be 25,000 children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus. > > > > Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly. > > > > So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected > > with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean > > 6,250 children born with microcephaly. > > > > 6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live > > independently, and probably will not live very long lives. > > > > According to the CDC > > (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html), > > > > "Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking > > systems have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 > > live births to about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.” > > > > That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller > > number than 1%. > > > > "Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated > > decades ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever > > and rash. But after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil > > last year, doctors there noticed a striking increase in the number of > >
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes. Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we just need 'mo taxes'. Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 'mo'. That's coming from a physician and a scientist. RK > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 + > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > From: texascavers@texascavers.com > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about > > and see how far that argument gets you. > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant? > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) > > Stefan Creaser > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser > > -Original Message- > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of > Diana Tomchick via Texascavers > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM > To: Cave Tex > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers > > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in > > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills > > 1 million people a year. > > > Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic > cell cultures. > > "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their > Growth” > Tang, Hengli et al. > Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590 > > For a freely available description of this research, > > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells > > The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well: > > "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta > and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.” > > If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population > is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 > million) and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 > million), and 1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that > would be 25,000 children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus. > > Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly. > > So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected > with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean > 6,250 children born with microcephaly. > > 6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live > independently, and probably will not live very long lives. > > According to the CDC > (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html), > > "Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems > have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births > to about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.” > > That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number > than 1%. > > "Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated > decades ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and > rash. But after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last > year, doctors there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born > with microcephaly.” > > This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical > community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens > are as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star > fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with > antibiotics. > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and > see how far that argument gets you. > > Diana > > ** > Diana R. Tomchick > Professor > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > Rm. ND10.214A > Dallas, TX 75390-8816 > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu > (214) 645-6383 (phone) > (214) 645-6353 (fax) > > > On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc > > wrote: > > > > Just to provide a differ
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
Bloody Texan's and their educations... (or is that "Bloody Texins and thur edumcation"?) Your suit would be, in this context, "Don's" (facepalm). Stefan Creaser Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don Arburn via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:11 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika What about my suit? --Don > On May 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers > wrote: > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
What about my suit? --Don > On May 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers > wrote: > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
This is in fact what the Ministry of Health in El Salvador recommended back in January. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/world/americas/el-salvadors-advice-on-zika-dont-have-babies.html?_r=0 Diana >> Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and >> see how far that argument gets you. > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant? > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) > > Stefan Creaser > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and > see how far that argument gets you. Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant? (Dons fireproof suit) ;-) Stefan Creaser Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA. Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012. Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 > million people a year. Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic cell cultures. "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their Growth” Tang, Hengli et al. Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590 For a freely available description of this research, http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well: "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.” If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 million) and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 million), and 1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that would be 25,000 children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus. Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly. So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 6,250 children born with microcephaly. 6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live independently, and probably will not live very long lives. According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html), "Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births to about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.” That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number than 1%. "Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated decades ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and rash. But after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last year, doctors there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born with microcephaly.” This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens are as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with antibiotics. Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and see how far that argument gets you. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc > wrote: > > Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika > related illness when they are exposed. It's not 'spiraling out of control' - > it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go > through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all > live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone > Star fever? > > Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing > specific to Zika. > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 > million people a year. > > RK > > See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php > Symptoms of Zika virus > > Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. > Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 > Sympto
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> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 > million people a year. Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic cell cultures. "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their Growth” Tang, Hengli et al. Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590 For a freely available description of this research, http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well: "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.” If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 million) and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 million), and 1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that would be 25,000 children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus. Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly. So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 6,250 children born with microcephaly. 6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live independently, and probably will not live very long lives. According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html), "Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births to about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.” That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number than 1%. "Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated decades ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and rash. But after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last year, doctors there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born with microcephaly.” This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens are as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with antibiotics. Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and see how far that argument gets you. Diana ** Diana R. Tomchick Professor Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816 diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu (214) 645-6383 (phone) (214) 645-6353 (fax) > On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc > wrote: > > Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika > related illness when they are exposed. It's not 'spiraling out of control' - > it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go > through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all > live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone > Star fever? > > Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing > specific to Zika. > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 > million people a year. > > RK > > See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php > Symptoms of Zika virus > > Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. > Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 > Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2 > • Fever > • Rash > • Joint pain > • Conjunctivitis (red eyes) > • Muscle pain > • Headache > • Pain behind the eyes > • Vomiting. > According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people > infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the > figure is 1 in 5. > In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing > Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré > syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central > nervous system.6 > Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant > hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a result.6 > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texasc
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Amen brother. It's not like this is a new issue or that it's never been mentioned before... --Don Arburn > On May 24, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers > wrote: > > Damn, I wish people would remember to sign their emails. I would like to know > who posted all this good information. > > Jim Kennedy ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Damn, I wish people would remember to sign their emails. I would like to know who posted all this good information. Jim Kennedy Mobile email from my iPhone > > Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika > related illness when they are exposed. It's not 'spiraling out of control' - > it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go > through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all > live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone > Star fever? > > Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing > specific to Zika. > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 > million people a year. > > RK > > See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php > Symptoms of Zika virus > > Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. > Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 > Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2 > Fever > Rash > Joint pain > Conjunctivitis (red eyes) > Muscle pain > Headache > Pain behind the eyes > Vomiting. > According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people > infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the > figure is 1 in 5. > In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing > Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré > syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central > nervous system.6 > Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant > hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a result.6 > > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika related illness when they are exposed. It's not 'spiraling out of control' - it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone Star fever? Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing specific to Zika. Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 million people a year. RK See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php Symptoms of Zika virus Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2 FeverRashJoint painConjunctivitis (red eyes)Muscle painHeadachePain behind the eyesVomiting. According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the figure is 1 in 5. In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central nervous system.6 Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a result.6 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
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Zika Update on the overview of the Zika Virus from Scientific American, May 24, 2016. May be of interest to those of you caving in the affected areas. Pregnant women are at risk ether from mosquitoes or unprotected sex with an infected partner. How Zika Spiraled Out of Control The virus was a tiny, barely known annoyance. Scientists now think environmental changes made Zika explode into a global crisis By Dina Fine Maron on May 24, 2016 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-zika-spiraled-out-of-control1/?WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20160524 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers