Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-10 Thread Jon Cradit 
Thank you George.


Jon Cradit P.G., R.S.
Geologist – Aquifer Protection


 




-Original Message-
From: Texascavers  On Behalf Of George Veni
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 11:00 PM
To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad 
Caverns today!

Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:

* I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in 
attending.

* There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists 
within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the 
short 4-hour advance notice I gave.

* Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to 
Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would miss 
announcements sent only to locals.

* I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting people 
news that might interest them.

* I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in case 
some might benefit from them.

In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if any 
people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might have.

George

-Original Message-
From: jerryat...@aol.com 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
To: George Veni 
Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 

Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to hear 
more at the SWR Winter Tech.

Jerry Atkinson.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area this 
> afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park at 4 
> p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
>
> Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show 
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is 
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for 
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the 
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New 
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two 
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share this 
> announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has found.
>
> George
>
> 
> George  Veni, PhD
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) 
> and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>
> NCKRI address (primary)
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> Office: +575-887-5517
> Mobile: +210-863-6919
> Fax: +575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org<mailto:gv...@nckri.org>
> www.nckri.org<http://www.nckri.org>
>
> UIS address
> Titov trg 2
> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> www.uis-speleo.org<http://www.uis-speleo.org>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-09 Thread Steve Keselik 
George, it's been along time since I've seen you. I've always enjoyed your
company and appreciate all you do for our karst ,cave and hydro resources!
When you speak or post ,I listen!  You are an old friend that has moved
away but is fighting the good fight. Keep it up! I haven't made a local
grotto meeting in years but I read the announcements. Team Troglo Brau has
still got your back brother. Not many others that have put in the time in
Powell's stream passage! I found the announcement very informative and I
learned something.Now can you teach me how to put an umlaut over the E in
Zoe on the computer? My daughter, who's name we picked way before it became
popular would appreciate it! Lol All the best to You,Steve and the gang
P.S. Keep the posts coming even if it's after the fact.


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On Sat, Jun 8, 2019 at 2:04 PM Michael Harris 
wrote:

> A 4 hour trip from San Antonio would have been toughOK, maybe
> impossible but if I would have happened to be near Carlsbad I sure would
> have appreciated the heads up. Thanks for keeping us in the loop George.
>
> Mike Harris
>
> On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 10:20 AM George Veni  wrote:
>
>> I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my
>> announcement with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it
>> was clear that it would be too late for many people. I sent it because it
>> may not be too late for some and I thought it would be good to include
>> them. If my circumstances allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I
>> obviously would have.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists
>> designed to share information, please do so privately.
>>
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jerry 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
>> *To:* George Veni ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com;
>> Texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns
>> today!
>>
>>
>>
>> Well George,
>>
>>
>>
>> If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the
>> meeting ?  Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed
>> your email until it was either too late or had prior engagements.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was,
>> it appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for
>> planning in reverse.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around
>> during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours
>> notice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: George Veni 
>> To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
>> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
>> Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>>
>> Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:
>>
>> * I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in
>> attending.
>>
>> * There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas
>> e-lists within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it
>> with the short 4-hour advance notice I gave.
>>
>> * Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to
>> Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would
>> miss announcements sent only to locals.
>>
>> * I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting
>> people news that might interest them.
>>
>> * I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in
>> case some might benefit from them.
>>
>> In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know
>> if any people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who
>> might have.
>>
>> George
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jerryat...@aol.com 
>> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
>> To: George Veni 
>> Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
>> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>>
>> Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to
>> hear more at the SWR Winter Tech.
>>
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Friends,
>> >
>> > I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad
>> area this afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National
>> Park at 4 p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
>> >
>> > Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show
>> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is
>> unsightly, damages caves, and

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-08 Thread Michael Harris 
A 4 hour trip from San Antonio would have been toughOK, maybe
impossible but if I would have happened to be near Carlsbad I sure would
have appreciated the heads up. Thanks for keeping us in the loop George.

Mike Harris

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 10:20 AM George Veni  wrote:

> I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my
> announcement with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it
> was clear that it would be too late for many people. I sent it because it
> may not be too late for some and I thought it would be good to include
> them. If my circumstances allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I
> obviously would have.
>
>
>
> If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists
> designed to share information, please do so privately.
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> *From:* Jerry 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
> *To:* George Veni ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com;
> Texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns
> today!
>
>
>
> Well George,
>
>
>
> If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the meeting
> ?  Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed your email
> until it was either too late or had prior engagements.
>
>
>
> If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was,
> it appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for
> planning in reverse.
>
>
>
> I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around
> during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours
> notice.
>
>
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Veni 
> To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
> Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>
> Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:
>
> * I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in
> attending.
>
> * There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists
> within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the
> short 4-hour advance notice I gave.
>
> * Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to
> Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would
> miss announcements sent only to locals.
>
> * I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting
> people news that might interest them.
>
> * I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in
> case some might benefit from them.
>
> In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if
> any people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might
> have.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jerryat...@aol.com 
> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
> To: George Veni 
> Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>
> Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to
> hear more at the SWR Winter Tech.
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area
> this afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park
> at 4 p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
> >
> > Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share
> this announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has
> found.
> >
> > George
> >
> > 
> > George  Veni, PhD
> > Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
> > and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
> >
> > NCKRI address (primary)
> > 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> > Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> > Office: +575-887-5517
> > Mobile: +210-863-6919
> > Fax: +575-887-5523
> > gv...@nckri.org
> > www.nckri.org
> >
> > UIS address
> > Titov trg 2
> > Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> > www.uis-speleo.org
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
> Groups "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
> an email to

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-08 Thread speodesmus 
George is good guy folks. I appreciate George!

On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Ken Harrington  wrote:

George,
You did good and several local people were able to attend because of your 
notice.
I applaud your efforts to get the word out even if it was at the last minute.
Ken

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:20 AM, George Veni  wrote:

> I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my announcement 
> with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it was clear that 
> it would be too late for many people. I sent it because it may not be too 
> late for some and I thought it would be good to include them. If my 
> circumstances allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I obviously would 
> have.
>  
> If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists 
> designed to share information, please do so privately.
>  
> George
>  
> From: Jerry  
> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
> To: George Veni ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com; 
> Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>  
> Well George,
>  
> If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the meeting ?  
> Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed your email 
> until it was either too late or had prior engagements.
>  
> If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was, it 
> appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for planning 
> in reverse.
>  
> I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around 
> during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours notice.
>  
> Jerry Atkinson.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: George Veni 
> To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 
> 
> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
> Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
> 
> Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:
> 
> * I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in 
> attending.
> 
> * There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists 
> within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the 
> short 4-hour advance notice I gave.
> 
> * Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to 
> Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would miss 
> announcements sent only to locals.
> 
> * I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting people 
> news that might interest them.
> 
> * I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in case 
> some might benefit from them.
> 
> In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if 
> any people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might 
> have.
> 
> George
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: jerryat...@aol.com  
> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
> To: George Veni 
> Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 
> 
> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
> 
> Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to hear 
> more at the SWR Winter Tech. 
> 
> Jerry Atkinson. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area 
> > this afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park 
> > at 4 p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
> > 
> > Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show 
> > caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is 
> > unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for 
> > over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the 
> > situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New 
> > Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two 
> > phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share 
> > this announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has 
> > found.
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > 
> > George  Veni, PhD
> > Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) 
> > and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
> > 
> > NCKRI address (primary)
> > 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> > Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> > Office: +575-887-5517
> > Mobile: +210-863-6919
> > Fax: +575-887-5523
> > gv...@nckri.org
> > www.nckri.org
> > 
> > UIS address
> > Titov trg 2
> > Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> > www.uis-speleo.org
> > 
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> > "Southwestern Cavers of the National Speleological Society" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-08 Thread Ken Harrington 
George,
You did good and several local people were able to attend because of your 
notice.
I applaud your efforts to get the word out even if it was at the last minute.
Ken

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:20 AM, George Veni 
mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote:

I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my announcement 
with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it was clear that it 
would be too late for many people. I sent it because it may not be too late for 
some and I thought it would be good to include them. If my circumstances 
allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I obviously would have.

If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists 
designed to share information, please do so privately.

George

From: Jerry mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
To: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>>; 
swrcav...@googlegroups.com; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

Well George,

If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the meeting ?  
Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed your email until 
it was either too late or had prior engagements.

If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was, it 
appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for planning 
in reverse.

I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around 
during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours notice.

Jerry Atkinson.


-Original Message-
From: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>>
To: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:

* I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in 
attending.

* There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists 
within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the 
short 4-hour advance notice I gave.

* Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to 
Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would miss 
announcements sent only to locals.

* I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting people 
news that might interest them.

* I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in case 
some might benefit from them.

In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if any 
people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might have.

George

-Original Message-
From: jerryat...@aol.com 
mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
To: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>>
Cc: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to hear 
more at the SWR Winter Tech.

Jerry Atkinson.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni 
> mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area this 
> afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park at 4 
> p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
>
> Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show 
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is 
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for 
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the 
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New 
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two 
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share this 
> announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has found.
>
> George
>
> 
> George  Veni, PhD
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
> and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>
> NCKRI address (primary)
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> Office: +575-887-5517
> Mobile: +210-863-6919
> Fax: +575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org>
> www.nckri.org
>
> UIS address
> Titov trg 2
> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> www.uis-speleo.org
>
> --
> You received this message because you are

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-08 Thread George Veni 
I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my announcement 
with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it was clear that it 
would be too late for many people. I sent it because it may not be too late for 
some and I thought it would be good to include them. If my circumstances 
allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I obviously would have.

If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists 
designed to share information, please do so privately.

George

From: Jerry 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
To: George Veni ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com; 
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

Well George,

If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the meeting ?  
Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed your email until 
it was either too late or had prior engagements.

If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was, it 
appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for planning 
in reverse.

I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around 
during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours notice.

Jerry Atkinson.


-Original Message-
From: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>>
To: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:

* I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in 
attending.

* There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists 
within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the 
short 4-hour advance notice I gave.

* Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to 
Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would miss 
announcements sent only to locals.

* I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting people 
news that might interest them.

* I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in case 
some might benefit from them.

In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if any 
people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might have.

George

-Original Message-
From: jerryat...@aol.com 
mailto:jerryat...@aol.com>>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
To: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.org>>
Cc: New Mexico Cavers 
mailto:swrcav...@googlegroups.com>>; Texas Cavers 
mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>>
Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to hear 
more at the SWR Winter Tech.

Jerry Atkinson.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni 
> mailto:gv...@nckri.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area this 
> afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park at 4 
> p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
>
> Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show 
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is 
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for 
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the 
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New 
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two 
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share this 
> announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has found.
>
> George
>
> 
> George  Veni, PhD
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
> and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>
> NCKRI address (primary)
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> Office: +575-887-5517
> Mobile: +210-863-6919
> Fax: +575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org>
> www.nckri.org
>
> UIS address
> Titov trg 2
> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> www.uis-speleo.org
>
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-08 Thread Linda Starr 
Perhaps Zoe will make a presentation at the SWR Winter Tech in Las Cruces
Dec.7.
Linda Starr

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 12:03 PM George Veni  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area
> this afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park
> at 4 p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
>
> Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share
> this announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has
> found.
>
> George
>
> 
> George  Veni, PhD
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
> and
> President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>
> NCKRI address (primary)
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> Office: +575-887-5517
> Mobile: +210-863-6919
> Fax: +575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>
> UIS address
> Titov trg 2
> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> www.uis-speleo.org
>
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

2019-06-07 Thread George Veni 
Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:

* I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in 
attending.

* There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists 
within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the 
short 4-hour advance notice I gave.

* Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to 
Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would miss 
announcements sent only to locals.

* I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting people 
news that might interest them.

* I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in case 
some might benefit from them.

In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if any 
people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might have.

George

-Original Message-
From: jerryat...@aol.com  
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
To: George Veni 
Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers 

Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to hear 
more at the SWR Winter Tech. 

Jerry Atkinson. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area this 
> afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park at 4 
> p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
> 
> Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show 
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is 
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for 
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the 
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New 
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two 
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share this 
> announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has found.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> George  Veni, PhD
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) 
> and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
> 
> NCKRI address (primary)
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> Office: +575-887-5517
> Mobile: +210-863-6919
> Fax: +575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
> 
> UIS address
> Titov trg 2
> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> www.uis-speleo.org
> 
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