Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Michael Gibbons]

Nancy you are a breath of fresh air. I enjoy David's cockeyed view of the
world too.
Just between you and me, sometimes his stories make me wonder how he made
this long without falling off the planet. Ha.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 5:08 PM Nancy Weaver  wrote:

> and yet nobody posts anything about caving.  Charlie’s paintings are
> really happy making for me.  and David always presents a world I had no
> idea existed.  I really do not understand this ongoing angst about whats
> posted here.
> Nancy
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Nancy Weaver]

and yet nobody posts anything about caving.  Charlie’s paintings are really 
happy making for me.  and David always presents a world I had no idea existed.  
I really do not understand this ongoing angst about whats posted here. 
Nancy


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Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[jerryatkin]

Do us a favor and PM the folks you’re arguing with. The listserve does not need 
any of this drivel from anyone. 

Jerry Atkinson.

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> On Apr 27, 2018, at 2:01 PM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You know Linda, your disdain for me is evident. That's fine. However, when 
> when dies or donations as well as volunteering are needed in this community, 
> I'm one of the first and frequent participants.
> That is accepted with open arms.
> We are a melting pot community of mostly misfits. It stands to reason that 
> our members, mostly having endured the actions of those who seem themselves 
> stronger, smarter, faster or simply better than others, would have an 
> enhanced tolerance, compassion or even empathy for other minded individuals. 
> After all many misfits rise to wonderful circumstance due partly to their 
> ability to accept things that differ from their view.
> I am a rightwing, warmongering, Christian, survivalist surrounded largely by 
> a liberal population in this community. 
> Their are only a handful of folks that find it necessary to gang up on 
> someone like me and allow a debate to escalate to the standard of an 
> argument. 
> You would have never considered posting a comment, save one of agreement, 
> regarding Charles post had I not posted my rebuttal. When you chastened me, 
> as an after thought you included the other two parties.  
> If you don't like me, that's fine, I don't hang my hat on your opinion. But 
> looking for ways to attempt to belittle me is petty.
> I've been monitoring the posts since last I was told to stick to caving 
> related posts or there would be monitors to see to it.
> It seems that this rule only applies to a few of us, as I have refrained from 
> any posts and have seen no change in the activity of non cave related 
> conversations. Until I once again post something contrary to some peoples 
> beliefs.
> It might surprise you how many people in the caving community agree with many 
> of my observations and view points and most at least have the decency to hear 
> me out and I reciprocate.
> When person's lay and wait to jump on any opportunity to lay in to someone, 
> on my estimation that person has beyond the scope of common consideration and 
> has become a bully. If you stand firm to the bully, his buddies come to aid, 
> if you stand firm to them, you might get persecuted in that group. 
> But if their money is God's enough to accept and their time volunteering is 
> good enough to accept then by God you should be adult enough treat them with 
> respect and at the very least keep your comments in the peanut gallery, like 
> every mother has instructed their children to do.
> I have never had a desire to be where I'm unwanted and I assure you if I 
> wasn't wanted among cavers, I would be gone. So maybe the problem doesn't lie 
> with me.
> This is a caving related post as I'm sure all other rightwing, warmongering, 
> Christian, survivalist among us feel the same way and just didn't want rock 
> the bigot boat.
> Now it's out in the open, so I propose we start concentrating on our 
> commonality. 
> For instance I've noticed a large percentage of my liberal caving friends are 
> gun toting, independents with some Republican tendencies.
> Thank you all for your ear.
> Peace
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 1:07 PM Linda Palit  wrote:
>> OK. Whatever. 
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time  and 
>>> then you folks blame me.
>>> This is my forum as much as it is yours.
>>> All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with.
>>> If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate 
>>> your social skills.
>>> 
 On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit  wrote:
 MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you. 
 And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum. 
 Same to Charlie and David.
 caving forum. 
 
 Linda
 
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Michael Gibbons]

You know Linda, your disdain for me is evident. That's fine. However, when
when dies or donations as well as volunteering are needed in this
community, I'm one of the first and frequent participants.
That is accepted with open arms.
We are a melting pot community of mostly misfits. It stands to reason that
our members, mostly having endured the actions of those who seem themselves
stronger, smarter, faster or simply better than others, would have an
enhanced tolerance, compassion or even empathy for other minded
individuals. After all many misfits rise to wonderful circumstance due
partly to their ability to accept things that differ from their view.
I am a rightwing, warmongering, Christian, survivalist surrounded largely
by a liberal population in this community.
Their are only a handful of folks that find it necessary to gang up on
someone like me and allow a debate to escalate to the standard of an
argument.
You would have never considered posting a comment, save one of agreement,
regarding Charles post had I not posted my rebuttal. When you chastened me,
as an after thought you included the other two parties.
If you don't like me, that's fine, I don't hang my hat on your opinion. But
looking for ways to attempt to belittle me is petty.
I've been monitoring the posts since last I was told to stick to caving
related posts or there would be monitors to see to it.
It seems that this rule only applies to a few of us, as I have refrained
from any posts and have seen no change in the activity of non cave related
conversations. Until I once again post something contrary to some peoples
beliefs.
It might surprise you how many people in the caving community agree with
many of my observations and view points and most at least have the decency
to hear me out and I reciprocate.
When person's lay and wait to jump on any opportunity to lay in to someone,
on my estimation that person has beyond the scope of common consideration
and has become a bully. If you stand firm to the bully, his buddies come to
aid, if you stand firm to them, you might get persecuted in that group.
But if their money is God's enough to accept and their time volunteering is
good enough to accept then by God you should be adult enough treat them
with respect and at the very least keep your comments in the peanut
gallery, like every mother has instructed their children to do.
I have never had a desire to be where I'm unwanted and I assure you if I
wasn't wanted among cavers, I would be gone. So maybe the problem doesn't
lie with me.
This is a caving related post as I'm sure all other rightwing,
warmongering, Christian, survivalist among us feel the same way and just
didn't want rock the bigot boat.
Now it's out in the open, so I propose we start concentrating on our
commonality.
For instance I've noticed a large percentage of my liberal caving friends
are gun toting, independents with some Republican tendencies.
Thank you all for your ear.
Peace

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 1:07 PM Linda Palit  wrote:

> OK. Whatever.
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time
>> and then you folks blame me.
>> This is my forum as much as it is yours.
>> All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with.
>> If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate
>> your social skills.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with
>>> you.
>>> And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum.
>>> Same to Charlie and David.
>>> caving forum.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
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Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Linda Palit]

OK. Whatever.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:58 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time
> and then you folks blame me.
> This is my forum as much as it is yours.
> All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with.
> If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate
> your social skills.
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit 
> wrote:
>
>> MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you.
>> And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum.
>> Same to Charlie and David.
>> caving forum.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
>>> Home  | Site Map
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>>>
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>>> as a scientist.
>>>
>>> Frank Beales - former U. of Toronto Professor
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>>> INTO CLIMATE CHANGE
>>> MYTHS / FACTS
>>>
>>> COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING
>>>
>>> *MYTH 1:  Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.*
>>>
>>> FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley
>>> Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University
>>> of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941,
>>> cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate
>>> from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941.
>>> Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002
>>> through mid 2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event
>>> starting late 2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a
>>> trend from 1979 to Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of
>>> the corresponding trend of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild
>>> warming of about 0.7 ºC over the 20th century is well within the natural
>>> variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network
>>> suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are
>>> preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat
>>> islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural
>>> areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting
>>> the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would
>>> reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See *here
>>> *.
>>>
>>> There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced
>>> a steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently
>>> began a sudden increase.*
>>>
>>> FACT:  Significant changes in climate have continually occurred
>>> throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from
>>> around 1000 to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

MJ, what you are doing is akin to showing the group your latest stool sample.  
It may be something that you find fascinating but nobody else wants to hear 
your shit. 
 "...perhaps you need to re evaluate your social skills."  

On Friday, April 27, 2018, 11:58:24 AM CDT, Michael Gibbons 
<6453...@gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time  and 
then you folks blame me.This is my forum as much as it is yours.All I did is 
post a view point I'm aligned with.If that effects your sensibilities then 
perhaps you need to re evaluate your social skills.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit  wrote:

MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you. 
And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum. Same to Charlie and 
David.caving forum. 
Linda
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:

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CLIMATE CHANGEMYTHS / FACTS


COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

MYTH 1:  Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.

FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of 
the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East 
Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941, cooling to 
1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate from 1964 to 
1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941. Satellites, 
weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002 through mid 
2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event starting late 
2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a trend from 1979 to 
Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of the corresponding trend 
of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild warming of about 0.7 ºC over 
the 20th century is well within the natural variations recorded in the last 
millennium. The ground station network suffers from an uneven distribution 
across the globe; the stations are preferentially located in growing urban and 
industrial areas ("heat islands"), which show substantially higher readings 
than adjacent rural areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown 
that correcting the surface temperature record for the effects of urban 
development would reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by 
half. See here.

There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.



MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced a 
steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently began a 
sudden increase.

FACT:  Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout 
geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000 to1200 
AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period known as the 
Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century the "average global 
temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate mentioned above; although 
from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, leading to a Global Cooling 
scare.

The "hockey stick", a poster boy of both the UN's IPCC and Canada's Environment 
Department, ignores historical recorded climatic swings, and has now also been 
proven to be flawed and statistically unreliable as well. It is a computer 
construct and a faulty one at that. See here for more information.

 

MYTH 3:  Human produced carbon dioxide has increased over the last 100 years, 
adding to the Greenhouse effect, thus causing most of the earth's warming of 
the last 100 years.

FACT:  Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons, human and 
otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since the beginning of 
the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has increased by 
about 120 part per million (ppm), most of which is likely due to human-caused 
CO2 emissions. The RATE of growth during this century has been about 
0.55%/year. However, there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global 
warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2levels 
move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, 
NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms 
this causal 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Michael Gibbons]

Seems like you are correct Charles

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 12:14 PM Charles Loving  wrote:

> Mike I would like to continue this but evidently not on the caver site.
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time
>> and then you folks blame me.
>> This is my forum as much as it is yours.
>> All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with.
>> If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate
>> your social skills.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with
>>> you.
>>> And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum.
>>> Same to Charlie and David.
>>> caving forum.
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
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 Global Temperatures[image: Global Troposphere Temperatures Average]
 Click
 Here For Full Size []]
 
 
 PROVIDING INSIGHT
 INTO CLIMATE CHANGE
 MYTHS / FACTS

 COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

 *MYTH 1:  Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented
 rate.*

 FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley
 Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University
 of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941,
 cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate
 from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941.
 Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002
 through mid 2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event
 starting late 2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a
 trend from 1979 to Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of
 the corresponding trend of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild
 warming of about 0.7 ºC over the 20th century is well within the natural
 variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network
 suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are
 preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat
 islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural
 areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting
 the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would
 reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See *here
 *.

 There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.



 *MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has
 experienced a steady, very gradual 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Charles Loving]

Mike I would like to continue this but evidently not on the caver site.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time
> and then you folks blame me.
> This is my forum as much as it is yours.
> All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with.
> If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate
> your social skills.
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit 
> wrote:
>
>> MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you.
>> And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum.
>> Same to Charlie and David.
>> caving forum.
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
>>> Home  | Site Map
>>>  | About Us
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>>> 
>>>
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>>>
>>> The minute you begin to believe your own hypothesis, you're a dead duck
>>> as a scientist.
>>>
>>> Frank Beales - former U. of Toronto Professor
>>>
>>>- Home 
>>>- About Us 
>>>- News And Events 
>>>- Our Most Recent Articles
>>>
>>>- Membership & Donation
>>>
>>>- Climate Science 
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>>>- Friends Of Science YouTube
>>>
>>>- Scientific References 
>>>- Website Links 
>>>- Contact Us 
>>>
>>>  RSS 
>>> Global Temperatures[image: Global Troposphere Temperatures Average]
>>> Click
>>> Here For Full Size []]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> PROVIDING INSIGHT
>>> INTO CLIMATE CHANGE
>>> MYTHS / FACTS
>>>
>>> COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING
>>>
>>> *MYTH 1:  Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.*
>>>
>>> FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley
>>> Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University
>>> of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941,
>>> cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate
>>> from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941.
>>> Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002
>>> through mid 2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event
>>> starting late 2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a
>>> trend from 1979 to Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of
>>> the corresponding trend of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild
>>> warming of about 0.7 ºC over the 20th century is well within the natural
>>> variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network
>>> suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are
>>> preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat
>>> islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural
>>> areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting
>>> the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would
>>> reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See *here
>>> *.
>>>
>>> There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced
>>> a steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently
>>> began a sudden increase.*
>>>
>>> FACT:  Significant changes in climate have continually occurred
>>> throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from
>>> around 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Michael Gibbons]

I didn't get angry at anything Linda. This is how it starts every time  and
then you folks blame me.
This is my forum as much as it is yours.
All I did is post a view point I'm aligned with.
If that effects your sensibilities then perhaps you need to re evaluate
your social skills.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 11:47 AM Linda Palit  wrote:

> MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you.
> And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum.
> Same to Charlie and David.
> caving forum.
>
> Linda
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
>> Home  | Site Map
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>> 
>>
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>>
>> The minute you begin to believe your own hypothesis, you're a dead duck
>> as a scientist.
>>
>> Frank Beales - former U. of Toronto Professor
>>
>>- Home 
>>- About Us 
>>- News And Events 
>>- Our Most Recent Articles
>>
>>- Membership & Donation
>>
>>- Climate Science 
>>- Policies, Economics & Ethics
>>
>>- Video / Audio 
>>- Friends Of Science Blog 
>>- ClimateChange101 
>>- Friends Of Science YouTube
>>
>>- Scientific References 
>>- Website Links 
>>- Contact Us 
>>
>>  RSS 
>> Global Temperatures[image: Global Troposphere Temperatures Average]
>> Click
>> Here For Full Size []]
>> 
>> 
>> PROVIDING INSIGHT
>> INTO CLIMATE CHANGE
>> MYTHS / FACTS
>>
>> COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING
>>
>> *MYTH 1:  Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.*
>>
>> FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley
>> Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University
>> of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941,
>> cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate
>> from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941.
>> Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002
>> through mid 2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event
>> starting late 2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a
>> trend from 1979 to Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of
>> the corresponding trend of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild
>> warming of about 0.7 ºC over the 20th century is well within the natural
>> variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network
>> suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are
>> preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat
>> islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural
>> areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting
>> the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would
>> reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See *here
>> *.
>>
>> There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.
>>
>>
>>
>> *MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced
>> a steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently
>> began a sudden increase.*
>>
>> FACT:  Significant changes in climate have continually occurred
>> throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from
>> around 1000 to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed
>> by a period known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century
>> the "average global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate
>> mentioned above; although from 1940 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Linda Palit]

MJ, why do you do this. You just get angry when people disagree with you.
And especially, why do this here? This is a caving forum.
Same to Charlie and David.
caving forum.

Linda

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 11:24 AM Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. Just a bit of fog.
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> FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley
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> of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941,
> cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate
> from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941.
> Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002
> through mid 2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event
> starting late 2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a
> trend from 1979 to Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of
> the corresponding trend of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild
> warming of about 0.7 ºC over the 20th century is well within the natural
> variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network
> suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are
> preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat
> islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural
> areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting
> the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would
> reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See *here
> *.
>
> There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.
>
>
>
> *MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced a
> steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently
> began a sudden increase.*
>
> FACT:  Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout
> geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000
> to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period
> known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century the
> "average global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate
> mentioned above; although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped,
> leading to a Global Cooling scare.
>
> The "hockey stick", a poster boy of both the UN's IPCC and Canada's
> Environment Department, ignores historical recorded climatic swings, and
> has now also been proven to be flawed and statistically unreliable as well.
> It is a computer construct and a faulty one at that. See *here
> * for more information.
>
>
>
> *MYTH 3:  Human 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Michael Gibbons]

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PROVIDING INSIGHT
INTO CLIMATE CHANGE
MYTHS / FACTS

COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

*MYTH 1:  Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.*

FACT:  The HadCRUT4 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley
Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University
of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941,
cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate
from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941.
Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling from 2002
through mid 2015, then this warming pause ended with a large El Nino event
starting late 2015. The average of two analysis of satellite data gives a
trend from 1979 to Nov. 2017 of 0.13 ºC/decade, which is less than half of
the corresponding trend of 0.27 ºC/decade of the climate models. The mild
warming of about 0.7 ºC over the 20th century is well within the natural
variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network
suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are
preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat
islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural
areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting
the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would
reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See *here
*.

There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.



*MYTH 2:  The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced a
steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently
began a sudden increase.*

FACT:  Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout
geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000
to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period
known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century the "average
global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate mentioned above;
although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, leading to a
Global Cooling scare.

The "hockey stick", a poster boy of both the UN's IPCC and Canada's
Environment Department, ignores historical recorded climatic swings, and
has now also been proven to be flawed and statistically unreliable as well.
It is a computer construct and a faulty one at that. See *here
* for more information.



*MYTH 3:  Human produced carbon dioxide has increased over the last 100
years, adding to the Greenhouse effect, thus causing most of the earth's
warming of the last 100 years.*

FACT:  Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons, human
and otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since the
beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the atmosphere
has increased by about 120 part per million 

Re: [Texascavers] Related to nature

[Charles Loving]

'We're doomed': Mayer Hillman on the climate reality no one else will dare
mention
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/26/were-doo
med-mayer-hillman-on-the-climate-reality-no-one-else-will-
dare-mention?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:58 PM, David  wrote:

> From David Locklear
> ( Hit Delete Button as hard as you can )
>
> Most of you are into nature topics.
>
> I saw a cow eat a large snake today.  Not only did he or she seem to enjoy
> eating the snake, but acted like it was a routine thing that he or she does.
>
> The article in the link below discusses DNA of bovines.
>
> Some say, we are what we eat.  Maybe eating snakes affects ones DNA ?   It
> would seem that if cows routinely eat snakes, then all other such mammals
> also like to eat snakes.
>
>
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/01/01/how-a-quarter-of-the-
> cow-genome-came-from-snakes/
>
> There is probably someway to twist this discussion and make it cave
> related.  I will let someone else have a go at that.  There are mammals
> that spend a lot of time in caves and snakes do like to hang out near cave
> entrances.
>
> I bet it is not healthy for any animal to eat a venomous snake.
>
> David Locklear
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