Re: [iyer123] Emotional-Vs-Mechanical
Sirs, You have read I think many books and must have developed your own independent perceptions.Please write now how you perceive,let us not be bonded to the books only.Personally,I now sit under a tree or some nature and try to smell and feel with my mind blank.Every morning I get some topic,about which I had no notion.Persons like you,if you free yourself from the fetters of books and just feel nature,can give really great glimpses. YM On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 4:11 AM Sithamalli Balasubramanian < sithamal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Q: is purely written by JOHN HORGAN IN 1997 INTERVIEW EXTRACTED FROM HIS > BOOK WHERE THE SCIENCE IS DEAD WAS PRONOUNCED AS EARLY AS 1966 > Reply: Honestly I was not aware of any such thing. I was writing from > personal experience. I am happy that others too held such opinions. > > On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 at 11:22, Rajaram Krishnamurthy > wrote: > >> Pranam >> Sir SKBji-all that you wrote as quote is purely written by JOHN >> HORGAN IN 1997 INTERVIEW EXTRACTED FROM HIS BOOK WHERE THE SCIENCE IS DEAD >> WAS PRONOUNCED AS EARLY AS 1966. I did not express anything except the 1st >> 2 paras. KR IRS 2`1221 >> >> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 at 21:50, Sithamalli Balasubramanian < >> sithamal...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> 1. Quote: "Many modern scientists hope that advances in computers and >>> mathematics will enable them to transcend their current knowledge and >>> create a powerful new science". >>> Reply: There is a lot of delusion. The view given by you was that of >>> P.A.M Dirac. I often cite the failure of Nazis to produce the atom bomb as >>> an example of this delusion. The Nazi program was headed by Werner >>> Heisenberg who was a shade worse than Dirac. He was about to be expelled by >>> his HOD Staudinger for his contempt of empiricism. Mathematics is mainly >>> responsible for this. >>> 2. Quote: "*Darwinian theory does not provide very deep insights into* human >>> nature" >>> Reply: I think Mahabharata does it effectively. All aspects of Human >>> nature find examples in that epic. >>> Darwinisam is not relevant to the human condition. >>> 3. Quote: prove it is false >>> Reply: Your interaction is enviable. Kopper did not have a theory of >>> Science. He was only an analyst. A theory is proposed to explain a number >>> of observations, but does not cover all. A theory should also provide for >>> it to be shown false. It should survive such efforts. >>> This is a running argument I am having with specialists. A few days back >>> one such person asked me if I believed in Peer review process. His argument >>> was,"How would I know if the views are correct." I told him definitions and >>> standards may be appealing but they are also limiting. Peer review should >>> not be practiced as peer veto. There should be an allowance for dissent. >>> This is also the essence of Pepper's idea. >>> Good luck to you, >>> Skb. >>> James Cushing wrote to me from his death-bed that he was only a >>> historian of science.That was a case of both dedication and humility. He >>> died a few days later. Still he found time to reply. >>> Skb. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 at 09:36, Rajaram Krishnamurthy < >>> keyarinc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Pranam 1 The impact of a heart vailing for nature coming out of the bottom of the heart. I thought of releasing this under the Sri SKB YM combination on science articles of yesterday about why science is dead. However it fits in here too so in continuation of Sri YM and Sri SKB where we left it in the past, the present and the future. 2INTELLECTUAL DOWN FALL, EDUCATION AND THE SCIENCE IS DEAD: Sri SKB’s aspects: 1 In fact, I have a feeling that India's intellectual downfall started with Shankara and his philosophy of Maya which denied existential reality. 2 Following Shakespeare I would say, "Education thou art thine own enemy". 3The US science education is most impressive. But it is also illusory. In Chemistry all fundamental work was done before WW-II in Europe. The post-war US was flush with money whilst other European nations were poorer. The result was flashy synthetic work which meant nothing fundamental. Chemistry 'ended' 30 years later. Physics endured a little longer because of NASA and missiles. Electronics have a field day now. Again they are harvesting what was found in the early 1900s. All science research will become a commodities market in another fifty years. Science is nearing its end. With that also will end institutionalized 'knowledge'. 4 we differ in our perspective. Xxx 1The views expressed by Sri SKBji is not absolutely different perspective from mine; even though a Physicist by curriculum, while I hold the respect to SCIENCE, I should demarcate the respect by distinguishing the modern era
Re: [iyer123] Emotional-Vs-Mechanical
Pranam Sir SKBji-all that you wrote as quote is purely written by JOHN HORGAN IN 1997 INTERVIEW EXTRACTED FROM HIS BOOK WHERE THE SCIENCE IS DEAD WAS PRONOUNCED AS EARLY AS 1966. I did not express anything except the 1st 2 paras. KR IRS 2`1221 On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 at 21:50, Sithamalli Balasubramanian < sithamal...@gmail.com> wrote: > 1. Quote: "Many modern scientists hope that advances in computers and > mathematics will enable them to transcend their current knowledge and > create a powerful new science". > Reply: There is a lot of delusion. The view given by you was that of P.A.M > Dirac. I often cite the failure of Nazis to produce the atom bomb as an > example of this delusion. The Nazi program was headed by Werner Heisenberg > who was a shade worse than Dirac. He was about to be expelled by his HOD > Staudinger for his contempt of empiricism. Mathematics is mainly > responsible for this. > 2. Quote: "*Darwinian theory does not provide very deep insights into* human > nature" > Reply: I think Mahabharata does it effectively. All aspects of Human > nature find examples in that epic. > Darwinisam is not relevant to the human condition. > 3. Quote: prove it is false > Reply: Your interaction is enviable. Kopper did not have a theory of > Science. He was only an analyst. A theory is proposed to explain a number > of observations, but does not cover all. A theory should also provide for > it to be shown false. It should survive such efforts. > This is a running argument I am having with specialists. A few days back > one such person asked me if I believed in Peer review process. His argument > was,"How would I know if the views are correct." I told him definitions and > standards may be appealing but they are also limiting. Peer review should > not be practiced as peer veto. There should be an allowance for dissent. > This is also the essence of Pepper's idea. > Good luck to you, > Skb. > James Cushing wrote to me from his death-bed that he was only a historian > of science.That was a case of both dedication and humility. He died a few > days later. Still he found time to reply. > Skb. > > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 at 09:36, Rajaram Krishnamurthy > wrote: > >> Pranam >> 1 The impact of a heart vailing for nature coming out of the >> bottom of the heart. I thought of releasing this under the Sri SKB YM >> combination on science articles of yesterday about why science is dead. >> However it fits in here too so in continuation of Sri YM and Sri SKB where >> we left it in the past, the present and the future. >> 2INTELLECTUAL DOWN FALL, EDUCATION AND THE SCIENCE IS DEAD: >> >> Sri SKB’s aspects: >> >> 1 In fact, I have a feeling that India's intellectual downfall >> started with Shankara and his philosophy of Maya which denied existential >> reality. >> >> 2 Following Shakespeare I would say, "Education thou art thine own enemy". >> >> 3The US science education is most impressive. But it is also >> illusory. In Chemistry all fundamental work was done before WW-II in >> Europe. The post-war US was flush with money whilst other European nations >> were poorer. The result was flashy synthetic work which meant nothing >> fundamental. Chemistry 'ended' 30 years later. Physics endured a little >> longer because of NASA and missiles. Electronics have a field day now. >> Again they are harvesting what was found in the early 1900s. >> >> All science research will become a commodities market in another fifty >> years. Science is nearing its end. With that also will end >> institutionalized 'knowledge'. >> >> 4 we differ in our perspective. >> >> Xxx >> >> 1The views expressed by Sri SKBji is not absolutely different >> perspective from mine; even though a Physicist by curriculum, while I hold >> the respect to SCIENCE, I should demarcate the respect by distinguishing >> the modern era science which everyone dance around and the science existed >> time immemorial, ascribed in in the Vedas and Vedanta. FOR THE WEST SCIENCE >> MAY BE A PRODUCT OF 1600 AD OR LITTLE EARLIER TO GREECE, ARISTOTLE, >> ARCHIMEDES, SOCRATES ETC WHO ARROGANTLY HID THEIR HEADS INTO THE SAND DUNES >> LIKE AN OSTRITCH, TRYING NOT TO SEE THE VEDIC COUNTRY, WHERE THEY >> RESIDED FOR 200 YEARS DIGGING ALL THE VEDIC CONTENTS RECORDING ALL OF THEM >> IN THEIR LANGUAGE WITH A MYTHICAL FERN, ROBBING MANY LEAVES, RESURRECTING >> FROM THEM ALL THE OUTBURSTS OF QUICK SCIENCE THE WORLD COULD NOT WITHSTAND >> THE RAPID CHANGES. >> >> 2 In this connection I have to salute them for so many books written >> in English translating ,though haphazardly, the entire Vidya of this >> nation, which the host failed in giving them to the brothers and sisters of >> this nation; while I have to accuse this nation for the failure to >> highlight the ancient authors in English or any other language other than >> the Sanskrit, of Adi sankaras to sayanas to Madwacharias and many authors >> of the
Re: [iyer123] Emotional-Vs-Mechanical
Pranam 1 The impact of a heart vailing for nature coming out of the bottom of the heart. I thought of releasing this under the Sri SKB YM combination on science articles of yesterday about why science is dead. However it fits in here too so in continuation of Sri YM and Sri SKB where we left it in the past, the present and the future. 2INTELLECTUAL DOWN FALL, EDUCATION AND THE SCIENCE IS DEAD: Sri SKB’s aspects: 1 In fact, I have a feeling that India's intellectual downfall started with Shankara and his philosophy of Maya which denied existential reality. 2 Following Shakespeare I would say, "Education thou art thine own enemy". 3The US science education is most impressive. But it is also illusory. In Chemistry all fundamental work was done before WW-II in Europe. The post-war US was flush with money whilst other European nations were poorer. The result was flashy synthetic work which meant nothing fundamental. Chemistry 'ended' 30 years later. Physics endured a little longer because of NASA and missiles. Electronics have a field day now. Again they are harvesting what was found in the early 1900s. All science research will become a commodities market in another fifty years. Science is nearing its end. With that also will end institutionalized 'knowledge'. 4 we differ in our perspective. Xxx 1The views expressed by Sri SKBji is not absolutely different perspective from mine; even though a Physicist by curriculum, while I hold the respect to SCIENCE, I should demarcate the respect by distinguishing the modern era science which everyone dance around and the science existed time immemorial, ascribed in in the Vedas and Vedanta. FOR THE WEST SCIENCE MAY BE A PRODUCT OF 1600 AD OR LITTLE EARLIER TO GREECE, ARISTOTLE, ARCHIMEDES, SOCRATES ETC WHO ARROGANTLY HID THEIR HEADS INTO THE SAND DUNES LIKE AN OSTRITCH, TRYING NOT TO SEE THE VEDIC COUNTRY, WHERE THEY RESIDED FOR 200 YEARS DIGGING ALL THE VEDIC CONTENTS RECORDING ALL OF THEM IN THEIR LANGUAGE WITH A MYTHICAL FERN, ROBBING MANY LEAVES, RESURRECTING FROM THEM ALL THE OUTBURSTS OF QUICK SCIENCE THE WORLD COULD NOT WITHSTAND THE RAPID CHANGES. 2 In this connection I have to salute them for so many books written in English translating ,though haphazardly, the entire Vidya of this nation, which the host failed in giving them to the brothers and sisters of this nation; while I have to accuse this nation for the failure to highlight the ancient authors in English or any other language other than the Sanskrit, of Adi sankaras to sayanas to Madwacharias and many authors of the Brahmin and west Bengal chatergies of 1800 AD and thereafter. As SKBji states in one sense the education is useless as 99.99% of the ONCE LEARNED population of this present learned population, failed to read books or read books of unimportance or never even where the libraries do exist. ((.99% were proud of their achievements which include the “THE- VID” BRAHMINS OF THIS NATION 2% OF THE POPULATION (NOW SOME SAY IT IS 5%) . There appears to be a light around the tunnel viz the youth of this nation is beginning to feel about it; I do prey lest the elders do not act as a spoke. 3Sri SKBji’s regret that science has ended reveals his knowledge of the science reporting. I also remember a similar recording in the book THE END OF SCIENCE BY John Horgan a New York journalist in 1970s; it was followed up magazine, Television interviews also. The crux of the book is: 4 “ John Horgan contends that science—and particularly pure science rather than applied science, technology and medicine—is coming to an end. This controversial hypothesis, which has received wide attention, has at once been greeted by consternation by many (but certainly not all) in the scientific community while giving comfort to those who want anything to do with science and technology to go away. 5Einstein's theory of special relativity prohibits the transmission of matter or even information at speeds faster than that of light. Quantum mechanics dictates that our knowledge of the micro realm will always be slightly blurred. Chaos theory confirms that even without quantum indeterminacy many phenomena would be impossible to predict. And evolutionary biology keeps reminding us that we are animals, designed by natural selection not for discovering deep truths of nature but for breeding. 6 For the most part these *over-reachers* have only one option: to pursue science in a speculative, non-empirical mode that I call *ironic science*. Ironic science resembles literature or philosophy or theology in that it offers points of view, opinions, which are, at best, "interesting," which provoke further comment. But it does not converge on the truth. One of the most spectacular examples of ironic science is superstring theory, which for more than a decade has been the leading contender for a unified theory of physics.
