date:20200414

[Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Bruce Mutton

Or symbol-hide group cave-centreline

From: Bruce Mutton  
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:44
To: 'List for Therion users' 
Subject: RE: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Try this spelling - centreline

From: Therion mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk> > 
On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:37
To: List for Therion users mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >
Subject: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- unknown 
symbol specification -- line centerline

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Xavier Robert" mailto:xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr> >

An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ?

Cheers,

Xavier

  _  

De: "Roger Schuster" mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> >
À: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact":

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw.

Regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de> >

Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> > hat am 13. 
April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map.

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com  >

An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk  >

Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
 > wrote: 

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

Thanks again for your support!

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk  >

An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk  >

Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com  >

Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
 >:

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled 
it using the scale bar and the

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Roger Schuster

I tried this already and it results in an even more strange error. A 
very long error message starting with:


**data.tex
(./data.tex (./th_enc.tex) (./th_texts.tex) (./th_resources.tex
(c:/Program Files (x86)/Therion/texmf/tex/glyphtounicode.tex))
(./th_fontdef.tex{c:/Program Files 
(x86)/Therion/texmf/fonts/pdftex.map})

(./th_formdef.tex) (./th_pagedef.tex
! Missing number, treated as zero.

   i
l.2 \hsize=-i
 nfbp
A number should have been here; I inserted `0'.
(If you can't figure out why I needed to see a number,
look up `weird error' in the index to The TeXbook.)

Roger
-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Xavier Robert" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 21:44:22
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Oups, sorry, I have answer without searching in my thconfigs... The 
right command is


symbol-hide line survey

Cheers

Xavier


De: "Roger Schuster" 
À: "List for Therion users" 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 14:36:31
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- 
unknown symbol specification -- line centerline


Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Xavier Robert" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ?

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it 
solve your problem ?


Cheers,

Xavier


De: "Roger Schuster" 
À: "List for Therion users" 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the 
white, trapezoid "artifact":


As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of 
the cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use color 
map-fg the trapezoid is filled in the given foreground color. I use 
Therion 5.4.4 btw.


Regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
geschrieben:


Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with 
the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. 
Both maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't 
understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the 
background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with 
the morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log 
file it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on 
which stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in 
the log at least one station of each survey has to be marked 
(unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to 
override the registers in code tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright 
reasons.


Best regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com>
An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy 
with the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> 
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all 
survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this 
did the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. 
One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map 
so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too 
far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk>
An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work /

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Xavier Robert

Oups, sorry, I have answer without searching in my thconfigs... The right 
command is 

symbol-hide line survey 

Cheers 

Xavier 

De: "Roger Schuster"  
À: "List for Therion users"  
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 14:36:31 
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi, 

this results in the following error: 

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- unknown 
symbol specification -- line centerline 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "Xavier Robert" < [ mailto:xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr | 
xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi, 

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ? 

Cheers, 

Xavier 

De: "Roger Schuster" < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | ro...@r-schuster.de ] > 
À: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25 
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi cavers, 

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact": 

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw. 

Regards, 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | 
therion@speleo.sk ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" < [ mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de | 
torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de ] > 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

BQ_BEGIN

Hi Roger 

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try 
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map. 
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey") 

Just a guess... 

cheers, 
Torsten 

BQ_BEGIN
Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | ro...@r-schuster.de ] > hat am 
13. April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again, 

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand: 

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map. 

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons. 

Best regards, 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "עמרי גסטר" < [ mailto:omri...@gmail.com | omri...@gmail.com ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

BQ_BEGIN

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Hello all, 

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

Thanks again for your support! 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | 
therion@speleo.sk ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Cc: "Martin Sluka" < [ mailto:martinsl...@mac.com | martinsl...@mac.com ] > 
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40 
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

BQ_BEGIN

BQ_BEGIN

13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] >: 

After that I created a scrap

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Bruce Mutton

Try this spelling - centreline

From: Therion  On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:37
To: List for Therion users 
Subject: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- unknown 
symbol specification -- line centerline

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Xavier Robert" mailto:xavier.rob...@univ-grenoble-alpes.fr> >

An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ?

Cheers,

Xavier

  _  

De: "Roger Schuster" mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> >
À: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact":

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw.

Regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

An: "List for Therion users" mailto:therion@speleo.sk> >

Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de> >

Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de> > hat am 13. 
April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map.

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com  >

An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk  >

Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
 > wrote: 

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

Thanks again for your support!

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --

Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk  >

An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk  >

Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com  >

Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40

Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
 >:

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled 
it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. 

I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences 
each scrap according those stations.

Martin

Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Roger Schuster


Hi,

this results in the following error:

symbol-hide line centerline: error -- thconfig [12] -- thconfig [12] -- 
unknown symbol specification -- line centerline


Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Xavier Robert" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 20:45:38
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi,

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ?

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it 
solve your problem ?


Cheers,

Xavier


De: "Roger Schuster" 
À: "List for Therion users" 
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the 
white, trapezoid "artifact":


As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the 
cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg 
the trapezoid is filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 
5.4.4 btw.


Regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" 
An: "List for Therion users" 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
geschrieben:


Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with 
the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. 
Both maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't 
understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the 
background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the 
morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log 
file it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on 
which stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in 
the log at least one station of each survey has to be marked 
(unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to 
override the registers in code tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com>
An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy 
with the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> 
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all 
survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this 
did the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. 
One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map 
so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too 
far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk>
An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey





13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de>:

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection 
plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of 
Xtherion map editor.


I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for 
sections.


For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
georeferences each scrap according those stations.


Martin

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Xavier Robert

Hi, 

I may be wrong, but it looks like if you plot the centerline ? 

In your thconfig, if you add "symbol-hide line centerline", does it solve your 
problem ? 

Cheers, 

Xavier 

De: "Roger Schuster"  
À: "List for Therion users"  
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Avril 2020 13:31:25 
Objet: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey 

Hi cavers, 

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact": 

As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the cave on 
the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the trapezoid is 
filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 btw. 

Regards, 

Roger 

-- Originalnachricht -- 
Von: "Torsten Schnitter via Therion" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | 
therion@speleo.sk ] > 
An: "List for Therion users" < [ mailto:therion@speleo.sk | therion@speleo.sk ] 
> 
Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" < [ mailto:torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de | 
torsten.schnit...@netcologne.de ] > 
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Hi Roger 

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try 
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map. 
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey") 

Just a guess... 

cheers, 
Torsten 

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Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | ro...@r-schuster.de ] > hat am 
13. April 2020 um 19:00 geschrieben: 

Hello again, 

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand: 

There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background image 
(of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is there a way 
to get rid of this artifact? 

I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
\cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are marked 
and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each survey 
has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less ugly white 
trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided to override the 
registers in code tex-map. 

Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons. 

Best regards, 

Roger 

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You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change the 
position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the result. 

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Hello all, 

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is now 
on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations aren't 
marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be 
too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 

Thanks again for your support! 

Roger 

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Cc: "Martin Sluka" < [ mailto:martinsl...@mac.com | martinsl...@mac.com ] > 
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13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < [ mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de | 
ro...@r-schuster.de ] >: 

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and scaled 
it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map editor. 

I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections. 

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion georeferences 
each scrap according those stations. 

Martin 

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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Roger Schuster


Hi cavers,

symbol-hide doesn't change anything. Here is a screen shot of the white, 
trapezoid "artifact":


As said I marked two stations (-visibility off) at opposite ends of the 
cave on the map getting this white "things". When I use color map-fg the 
trapezoid is filled in the given foreground color. I use Therion 5.4.4 
btw.


Regards,

Roger

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Cc: "Torsten Schnitter" 
Gesendet: 14.04.2020 08:50:24
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey


Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
geschrieben:


Hello again,

finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with 
the original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both 
maps match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:


There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the 
background image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the 
morphing - is there a way to get rid of this artifact?


I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
(registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file 
it's right. The values in the registers obviously depend on which 
stations / surveys are marked and to get the same values as in the log 
at least one station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately 
each mark results in a more or less ugly white trapezoid as mentioned 
above). This is the reason why I decided to override the registers in 
code tex-map.


Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.

Best regards,

Roger

-- Originalnachricht --
Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com>
An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and 
change the position of the station accordingly until you are happy 
with the result.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> 
wrote:

Hello all,

thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all 
survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this did 
the trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One 
problem I need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so 
I've to guess where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far 
off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map.


Thanks again for your support!

Roger

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Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk>
An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com>
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13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de>:

After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection 
plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of 
Xtherion map editor.


I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.

For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
georeferences each scrap according those stations.


Martin

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Re: [Therion] Question for lox generating strange spikes at passage end

2020-04-14 Thread Benedikt Hallinger

Hello,
i fiddled more with the data, but to no avail.
It seems its something in lochs extrapolation code using misaligned data or 
something...

Is this reproducible at your setup?

> Am 31.03.2020 um 18:26 schrieb Benedikt Hallinger :
> 
> Hello,
> in a dataset i get a strange behavior regarding the loch model at passage 
> ends:
> 
> At station 1.10 a weird spike is produced in the loch model, that should not 
> be there.
> If one comments out some branch that is not located near 1.10, the problem 
> goes away.
> 
> What causes these spikes?
> 
> Attached a test set with comented section, thus producing correct ending of 
> the tunnel.
> Also, an image showing the problem (left: wrong spike, right: correct result 
> with the branch commented)
> 
> 
> Thanks alot,
> Beni
> 
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Martin Sluka via Therion

May you send just screenshot of that problem you described?

Martin

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14. 4. 2020 v 8:50, Torsten Schnitter via Therion :

> Hi Roger
> 
> I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
> "symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
> (maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")
> 
> Just a guess...
> 
> cheers,
> Torsten
> 
>> Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
>> geschrieben: 
>> 
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
>> original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps 
>> match quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:
>> 
>> There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background 
>> image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is 
>> there a way to get rid of this artifact? 
>> 
>> I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header (registers 
>> \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's right. The 
>> values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / surveys are 
>> marked and to get the same values as in the log at least one station of each 
>> survey has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a more or less 
>> ugly white trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why I decided 
>> to override the registers in code tex-map.
>> 
>> Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> -- Originalnachricht --
>> Von: "עמרי גסטר" < omri...@gmail.com>
>> An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
>> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
>> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
>> 
>>> You can use the debug function to see how bad is the distortion and change 
>>> the position of the station accordingly until you are happy with the 
>>> result. 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de> wrote: 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - all survey lines 
>>> will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I tried projection plan 
>>> again and marked a second station and this did the trick. The background is 
>>> now on the output as I expected. One problem I need to solve: The stations 
>>> aren't marked on the map so I've to guess where they are... My estimation 
>>> shouldn't be too far off to prevent unwanted distortions of the map. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your support!
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> -- Originalnachricht --
>>> Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk>
>>> An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk>
>>> Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com>
>>> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
>>> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
>>> 
 
 
> 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de>:
> 
> After that I created a scrap with the scanned map (projection plan) and 
> scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling tool of Xtherion map 
> editor. 
 
 I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as for sections.
 
 For plan you should use minimally two stations because Therion 
 georeferences each scrap according those stations.
 
 Martin
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Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey

2020-04-14 Thread Torsten Schnitter via Therion

Hi Roger

I'm not sure about your problem with the "artifacts" but try
"symbol-hide point station" in your layout definition for the map.
(maybe also "symbol-hide line survey")

Just a guess...

cheers,
Torsten

> Roger Schuster  hat am 13. April 2020 um 19:00 
> geschrieben:
> 
> Hello again,
> 
> finally I got it working and if I compare the output of Therion with the 
> original map on paper there is only a tiny bit of distortion. Both maps match 
> quite nicely. There are just two things I don't understand:
> 
> There is a white, trapezoid gap on the map which isn't on the background 
> image (of course). I guess it has something to do with the morphing - is 
> there a way to get rid of this artifact? 
> 
> I also noticed that length and depth statistics in the map header 
> (registers \cavelength and \cavedepth) are wrong while in the log file it's 
> right. The values in the registers obviously depend on which stations / 
> surveys are marked and to get the same values as in the log at least one 
> station of each survey has to be marked (unfortunately each mark results in a 
> more or less ugly white trapezoid as mentioned above). This is the reason why 
> I decided to override the registers in code tex-map.
> 
> Unfortunately I can't post the map here because of copyright reasons.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Roger
> 
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> An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk mailto:therion@speleo.sk 
> >
> Gesendet: 13.04.2020 14:06:17
> Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
> 
> 
> > > You can use the debug function to see how bad is the 
> distortion and change the position of the station accordingly until you are 
> happy with the result.
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 2:52 PM Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de 
> > mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de > wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > 
> > > thank you for your answers. Projection none doesn't work - 
> > > all survey lines will appear on the pdf but not the scanned map. So I 
> > > tried projection plan again and marked a second station and this did the 
> > > trick. The background is now on the output as I expected. One problem I 
> > > need to solve: The stations aren't marked on the map so I've to guess 
> > > where they are... My estimation shouldn't be too far off to prevent 
> > > unwanted distortions of the map. 
> > > 
> > > Thanks again for your support!
> > > 
> > > Roger
> > > 
> > > -- Originalnachricht --
> > > Von: "Martin Sluka via Therion" < therion@speleo.sk 
> > > mailto:therion@speleo.sk >
> > > An: "List for Therion users" < therion@speleo.sk 
> > > mailto:therion@speleo.sk >
> > > Cc: "Martin Sluka" < martinsl...@mac.com 
> > > mailto:martinsl...@mac.com >
> > > Gesendet: 13.04.2020 12:28:40
> > > Betreff: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy 
> > > survey
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 13. 4. 2020 v 11:20, 
> > > > Roger Schuster < ro...@r-schuster.de mailto:ro...@r-schuster.de >:
> > > > > 
> > > > > After that I created a scrap with the scanned map 
> > > > > (projection plan) and scaled it using the scale bar and the scaling 
> > > > > tool of Xtherion map editor. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > I’m afraid it will work only for "projection none" as 
> > > > for sections.
> > > > 
> > > > For plan you should use minimally two stations because 
> > > > Therion georeferences each scrap according those stations.
> > > > 
> > > > Martin
> > > > 
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