[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Hi @Wolfgang You'll find some documentation about templating in the TiddlySpaceDocs if you search for tscan: http://docs.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BtsScan%20macro%5D%5D I checked out plugins.tiddlyspace.com, however there was nothing - then I went to http://translations.tiddlyspace.com, made a clone (by including it into a new space) and called it extentions: I changed the SiteTitle and the tagname translation to plugin in the tscan macro used in the Welcom tiddler: http://extentions.tiddlyspace.com It shows all sites with a SiteInfo tiddler tagged with plugin If you click on the icon in the middle of the backstage you'll get searchoptions which will let you search across the TiddlySpaceVerse for anything you want... You can create a Space which will fetch all kinds of material published on TiddlySpace - and you are free to do so. If you have a great idea for collecting documentation about plugins (i.e. get the description slice and throw it into the template ) please sign up to TiddlySpace and I'll add you as a member of the extentions space... TiddlySpace isn't a new TiddlyWiki - it's a framework which lets us use and exploit new ways of using tiddlywiki online - it has some great features, like creating HTML representations of tiddlers and binary files (yes you can upload images etc ...) It would be really nice if some of the old hackers started using it - so things could get more available from one place - TiddlySpace... Cheers Måns Mårtensson On 9 Nov., 01:36, wolfgang pamo...@googlemail.com wrote: But it doesn't answer where are the plugins and the hot news and the doc, etc... Wished it were otherwise - but I can only relate all too well. Actually took a break for quite some time from TW group and was happily using a TW version 2.5. When I checked back to find out what a year and whole version number later has additionally brought, I only found developers speech, which I was unable to understand. So I'm still almost clueless - the only new feature I just got aware of a day ago I can't find instructions for to be able to use it to it's full potential. Add to that that already now some even so consistently well designed plugins like Eric's don't work anymore... oh well.. It's really no surprise that only very few new users get attracted. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
You'll find some documentation about templating in the TiddlySpaceDocs if you search for tscan:http://docs.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BtsScan%20macro%5D%5D Thanks. Not much time right now. But right away: I seem to have been mistaken thinking the new templating feature would be a feature of the TW core itself. Now it seems it's actually a TiddlySpace plugin which doesn't do much more than ForEach already could since a long time in stand-alones? If you click on the icon in the middle of the backstage you'll get searchoptions which will let you search across the TiddlySpaceVerse for anything you want... I must be doing something wrong, because when I search for 'plugin' I get 16 entries, for the 'systemConfig' tag 8, and both together it shows just 9 plugins?? (in each of my TWs I'll find more...) You can create a Space which will fetch all kinds of material published on TiddlySpace - and you are free to do so. If you have a great idea for collecting documentation about plugins (i.e. get the description slice and throw it into the template ) please sign up to TiddlySpace and I'll add you as a member of the extentions space... You know what I do when I need to search for a plugin? I open an old 13MB TW where I imported all plugins until two years ago, exactly because 'TiddlyHub' seemed never to catch up. 1300 systemConfigs and almost 300 scripts in total. Though it's outdated I still always find something useful or a hind where to look for. At the time of it's creation FF wasn't that stable and often crashed with this TW. Now that would be very improved.. TiddlySpace isn't a new TiddlyWiki - it's a framework which lets us use and exploit new ways of using tiddlywiki online - it has some great features, like creating HTML representations of tiddlers and binary files (yes you can upload images etc ...) If I can already have all these features in a standalone, why would I dare to go there without the ability to create minimal testcase wikis to ask for help, or find a mistake myself as a non-developer? All those dependencies make it that much less hack-able. It would be really nice if some of the old hackers started using it - so things could get more available from one place - TiddlySpace... Ok, I might give it a trial. But first would want to know what the 3 'includes': system-plugins, 'system-info' and 'system-images' do. Do I need all these 83 'excludeLists' tiddlers, or can I delete them and still have it fully functioning as with a regular stand-alone TW? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Hi Wolfgang can I delete them and still have it fully functioning as with a regular stand-alone TW? Yep :-) Cheers Måns Mårtensson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] ReIntro and feedback request about news space.
In reply to: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/msg/2d2039216c76c818 ( a post from Important Message from Eric [2]) I started a new topic, because this post will be way to - off topic - to respond in erics post. It directly mentions something that I made, which wasn't intended as a joke [5]. On Nov 9, 12:40 am, Yoann Babel babel.yo...@gmail.com wrote: --- snip --- and http://news.tiddlyspace.com /??? is that a joke ?? I don't have a clue of what this page is about. Just to be sure. Did you see the About [1] page. If yes, the discription contained, doesn't seem to be good enough. But without any constructive feedback, what's missing, I didn't even have the chance to make it better. Doesn't (at first glance) exactly give you the ideia of a great organised active communnity, no ? Have a look at the intro message [3] and feel free to post here, to make things better. And for the documentation, you give plenty of links ... but the question is : how easy are they to find WITHOUT asking on this list idem for the plugins. How easy are they to find by themselfs ??? You are right. Documentation, is spread over too many places. IMO this seems to be a (sometimes frustrating) side effect from TWs non linear nature. TW ? The mailing list is not too active. No plugins announced for month ... Is Eric the only one standing ??? I don't think, that the mailing list is not active. The search term intro [4] uncovers some of my recent posts/plugins and what about TW5 ??? no new on this list for so many time ... do I have to know the secret link hidden somewhere ? IMO a lot of conceptual ideas have been integrated into TiddlySpace but this should be answered by Jeremy. not so easy to do ;-) My invitation from above still stands :) have fun! mario [1] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About [2] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/25c4cea01c46c170 [3] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/3f01fdb3bef18c7b [4] http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/search?group=tiddlywikiq=introqt_g=Search+this+group [5] http://news.tiddlyspace.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
My response is off topic so it is there: http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/4859ad73dd9085cd have fun! mario -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Hi Wolfgang Sorry for the short answers... I seem to have been mistaken thinking the new templating feature would be a feature of the TW core itself. Now it seems it's actually a TiddlySpace plugin which doesn't do much more than ForEach already could since a long time in stand-alones? As I understand it is a feature of the tw-core itself - You should be able to do sth like:list filter [tag[someTag] template:someTemplate I must be doing something wrong, because when I search for 'plugin' I get 16 entries, for the 'systemConfig' tag 8, and both together it shows just 9 plugins?? (in each of my TWs I'll find more...) I only get 9 tiddlers tagged with systemConfig as well? - Don't know why... You know what I do when I need to search for a plugin? I open an old 13MB TW where I imported all plugins until two years ago, exactly because 'TiddlyHub' seemed never to catch up. 1300 systemConfigs and almost 300 scripts in total. Though it's outdated I still always find something useful or a hind where to look for. At the time of it's creation FF wasn't that stable and often crashed with this TW. Now that would be very improved.. If you ported your plugins (maybe as packages with two, three or more related plugins and scripts) to TiddlySpace you can collect all of them in your own library/space of plugins and scripts -1 To provide an overview for visitors2 Let other spaceusers benefit from your collection3 Have a FAST loading TW with direct access to ALL plugins and scripts you have collected .. If I can already have all these features in a standalone, why would I dare to go there without the ability to create minimal testcase wikis to ask for help, or find a mistake myself as a non-developer? You can still create minimal testcases - Just create a new subspace and delete all systembags (or make them private) All those dependencies make it that much less hack-able. I don't agree - I still think of a space as a normal TiddlyWiki. You get some extra options to interact with other spaces - and share your work in ways that wasn't possible before..As long as you don't change any of the TiddlySpace-system-plugins TiddlySpace is just sth. which happens from the backstage.IF you change some of the TSsystemPlugins/ tiddlers you might get in trouble when there is an upgrade taking place - otherwise you are left alone with your own TW Ok, I might give it a trial. But first would want to know what the 3 'includes': system-plugins, 'system-info' and 'system-images' do. If you click on the backstage to the left - select Tiddlers - Spaces and click each spacename you'll get a list of tiddlers included from those spaces... Do I need all these 83 'excludeLists' tiddlers, or can I delete them and still have it fully functioning as with a regular stand-alone TW? Yes You can, however I usually just include classictheme found at http://themes.tiddlyspace.com (include it by writing classictheme in the includestab in the backstage to the left).Then I have a normal looking TW, which behaves like one I would download from tiddlywiki.com... Downloading and uploading. It's very easy to upload an original one-fileTW from Your hdd to TiddlySpace. Simply select import from the backstage and choose whether the uploaded tiddlers should be Private or Public. (If you change your mind you can always batchconvert them from the backstage Batch)... Since uploading a TW to TiddlySpot has stopped working - this IS the way to get your local TW to the net. (If you don't use your own server and a ftp-client of course...) I download a Space in three different ways:1) Go to the backstage to the left - click the export tab and click download.(I don't really need this because it downloads ALL plugins also the TiddlySpace specific plugins and tiddlers - and I don't believe the synchronize back to the server thing seems to work very well - please correct me if I'm wrong...)2) Same as 1) however I import all tiddlers except those which are serverspecific into a normal empty TW.(I change View- and EditTemplates accordingly - so they don't use/try to show user icons etc... - If I used classictheme - that's not a problem... )3) I import the tiddlers I want from a Space (TiddlySpace is Cors enabled) directly into a local TiddlyWiki... Cheers Måns Mårtensson On 9 Nov., 10:55, wolfgang pamo...@googlemail.com wrote: You'll find some documentation about templating in the TiddlySpaceDocs if you search for tscan:http://docs.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BtsScan%20macro%5D%5D Thanks. Not much time right now. But right away: I seem to have been mistaken thinking the new templating feature would be a feature of the TW core itself. Now it seems it's actually a TiddlySpace plugin which doesn't do much more than ForEach already could since a long time in stand-alones? If you click on the icon in the middle of the backstage you'll get searchoptions which will let you search across the TiddlySpaceVerse for anything you want... I must be doing
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Sorry - sth happened to the formatting when I copied the message text from another (locked) instance of this thread... I will try to correct it here: Hi Wolfgang Sorry for the short answers... I seem to have been mistaken thinking the new templating feature would be a feature of the TW core itself. Now it seems it's actually a TiddlySpace plugin which doesn't do much more than ForEach already could since a long time in stand-alones? As I understand it is a feature of the tw-core itself - You should be able to do sth like: list filter [tag[someTag] template:someTemplate I must be doing something wrong, because when I search for 'plugin' I get 16 entries, for the 'systemConfig' tag 8, and both together it shows just 9 plugins?? (in each of my TWs I'll find more...) I only get 9 tiddlers tagged with systemConfig as well? - Don't know why... You know what I do when I need to search for a plugin? I open an old 13MB TW where I imported all plugins until two years ago, exactly because 'TiddlyHub' seemed never to catch up. 1300 systemConfigs and almost 300 scripts in total. Though it's outdated I still always find something useful or a hind where to look for. At the time of it's creation FF wasn't that stable and often crashed with this TW. Now that would be very improved.. If you ported your plugins (maybe as packages with two, three or more related plugins and scripts) to TiddlySpace you can collect all of them in your own library/space of plugins and scripts - 1 To provide an overview for visitors 2 Let other spaceusers benefit from your collection 3 Have a FAST loading TW with direct access to ALL plugins and scripts you have collected .. If I can already have all these features in a standalone, why would I dare to go there without the ability to create minimal testcase wikis to ask for help, or find a mistake myself as a non-developer? You can still create minimal testcases - Just create a new subspace and delete all systembags (or include classictheme or make them private) All those dependencies make it that much less hack-able. I don't agree - I still think of a space as a normal TiddlyWiki. You get some extra options to interact with other spaces - and share your work in ways that wasn't possible before.. As long as you don't change any of the TiddlySpace-system-plugins TiddlySpace is just sth. which happens from the backstage.IF you change some of the TSsystemPlugins/ tiddlers you might get in trouble when there is an upgrade taking place - otherwise you are left alone with your own TW Ok, I might give it a trial. But first would want to know what the 3 'includes': system-plugins, 'system-info' and 'system-images' do. If you click on the backstage to the left - select Tiddlers - Spaces and click each spacename you'll get a list of tiddlers included from those spaces... Do I need all these 83 'excludeLists' tiddlers, or can I delete them and still have it fully functioning as with a regular stand-alone TW? Yes You can, however I usually just include classictheme found at http://themes.tiddlyspace.com (include it by writing classictheme in the includestab in the backstage to the left).Then I have a normal looking TW, which behaves like one I would download from tiddlywiki.com... Downloading and uploading. It's very easy to upload an original one-fileTW from Your hdd to TiddlySpace. Simply select import from the backstage and choose whether the uploaded tiddlers should be Private or Public. (If you change your mind you can always batchconvert them from the backstage Batch)... Since uploading a TW to TiddlySpot has stopped working - this IS the way to get your local TW to the net. (If you don't use your own server and a ftp-client of course...) I download a Space in three different ways: 1) Go to the backstage to the left - click the export tab and click download.(I don't really need this because it downloads ALL plugins also the TiddlySpace specific plugins and tiddlers - and I don't believe the synchronize back to the server thing seems to work very well - please correct me if I'm wrong...) 2) Same as 1) however I import all tiddlers except those which are serverspecific into a normal empty TW.(I change View- and EditTemplates accordingly - so they don't use/try to show user icons etc... - If I used classictheme - that's not a problem... ) 3) I import the tiddlers I want from a Space (TiddlySpace is Cors enabled) directly into a local TiddlyWiki... Cheers Måns Mårtensson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
I just added some to the tip jar. Having gone back and forth to TW over the years I've met so much generosity in this community, but Eric is truly in a class by himself. BTW, regarding contributions, I found this service a while back: http://flattr.com/ It has a different, hmm, slice to it. Briefly, you decide *in advance* how much you want to spend on contributions for that month. If flattr- button A is clicked 10 times, button B 4 times and button C 1 time - then, at the end of the month, A gets 10/15 of the whole sum , B gets 4/15 and C 1/15. I think it is a perfect concept for a community. Another note regarding contributions, especially for super contributors such as Eric: I've long missed a central place dealing with all things tiddly. I believe the problems mentioned in this thread are much due to a lacking central effort (ie, the info/plugin/etc often exists...but where?) Attempts solving parts of this, or even all of this, have been made [1] but non quite succesful yet. IF there was such a place, including eg. a discussion board or a knowledge wiki and [links to] plugins, we could include something like the above mentioned flattr.com solution in the templates for *every* post made and every [link to] a plugin! Instead of eg. adding stars to a post, one could voluntarily click for a little contribution (and without going through the paypal hassle every time). Heck, what about UnaMesa hosting a regular PayPal account that the users voluntarily could pay into in advance to then 'distribute' as per the flattr idea? If we had such a central place, I imagine it should be an easy task to make a flattr-like local plugin. Then, as per the flattr idea, at the end of the month (or other fequency?) there is an automated payout into the receivers paypal accounts. You know, I wouldn't even mind seeing an individual like Eric setting up a private account where I could put in a little money that can then - flattr like - be automatically distributed on eg a monthly basis to *other* contributors paypal accounts. (Someone as established in the community and so incredibly generous would likely not suddenly disappear). Or maybe the team behind tiddlyweb/tiddlyspace which seems to be the ideal place for a central community site. Yet an idea would be to host such a flattr-type button in (some) very plugins! It would bring the contribution out much more in the open and remind people as they fiddle with their TW's. Note that if the user has not pre-paid anything, then pressing such a button does not result in anything so he has nothing to worry about. For someone like Eric, an idea would be a flattr type plugin that, when installed by the user, creates a button in the head for all other ELS plugins that the user has installed, and when pressed it executes... etc. This concept would not solve the potential wish to tip for verbal contributions, such as here on the board, but maybe it's a step in the right direction and worthy of a try? Come to think of it, TW ought to have a backstage tiddler showing statistics ranking the frequency of use for the plugins, or rather the names of the plugin creators - and possibly a donation button next to each (My goodness, this guy has contributed to x% of my general TW use!? He deserves a little click here!) Further ideas: A polling type system. When experts share their knowledge here or in the form of plugins there is a risk that they only serve a few, or even one, individual. A poll e.g regarding which plugins to develop should increase the chances for contributions and tips by serving many at a time. Would be perfect for a central community type place but also possible as a stand alone (perhaps on tiddlyspace). An extension of this would be collective fund raising type tipping solution. I started writing an explanation for this here but decided that I'll let you think about it yourself because it would involve some intricacies that I believe had better 'mature in the head' before discussed. Just one thing though; Do recall that contributions are voluntary to begin with, as is putting in dev time. Also, if the money were to be placed with an intermediary host as suggested above, then it wold again merely be a matter for the 'user' to decide how to *distribute* money that is *already* given for contributions! (Eg. I put in X dollars and then click 5 times on issue #6, 2 times on #12 and 1 time on #4) I've seen other places such as, hm, was it the discussion boards for phpBB or MyBB (they are open source forum software) where individuals offer their professional services for solving specific issues and prioritizing the individuals that contribute monetarily to them. Obviously charging money does not need to restrict the open source nature of the resulting code. (BTW their discussion forums use their own forum software) /Mat [1] Tiddlywiki.org - http://tiddlywiki.org/ Tiddlyhub/repository - http://plugins.tiddlywiki.org/plugins/ The Community space -
[tw] On Leaving BT and Osmosoft
After four and a half years, I've decided to leave BT in order to return to working as an independent consultant. Osmosoft will continue within BT under the leadership of Matt Lucht, and I'll be doing some work back to Osmosoft to help out. The formal announcement is here: http://osmosoft.com/#%5B%5BJeremy%20Ruston%20to%20leave%20BT%5D%5D I'm hoping that through consulting I'll be able to work with a wider range of people who are interested in TiddlyWiki, TiddlyWeb and TiddlySpace. I also intend to focus some much needed time on TiddlyWiki. I've started work on improving the content of tiddlywiki.com, and am starting work on replacing the TiddlyWiki build tools cook and ginsu with a more flexible toolchain based on node.js. Once those two bits of infrastructure are in place then I'll pick up TiddlyWiki5 again. I'm enjoying this work immensely; one of the frustrating consequences of my position at BT was that I couldn't spend much time coding. I'm enjoying the feeling of decompressing. To be sincere and constructive in working for an organisation like BT, you have to take on the problems and perspective of the organisation as a whole. The process is fascinating and instructive, and I've learned a lot from it. But now I have the luxury of exchanging those concerns for some much simpler ones: making TiddlyWiki good, and being able to earn a living because of it. I'll do my best to answer any questions, Best wishes Jeremy. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jer...@osmosoft.com http://www.tiddlywiki.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: ReIntro and feedback request about news space.
Hi Mario I started a new topic, because this post will be way to - off topic - to respond in erics post. It directly mentions something that I made, which wasn't intended as a joke [5]. I think it was a brilliant idea and I'm trying to feature it on a danish version of tiddlyspace here: http://tiddlyspace.gir.dk My hope is that danish linux and open source communities will use tiddlyspace.dk (or similar) as the framework for communication and development... I still have to do a lot of pr-work - I'm trying to indtroduce both TiddlyWiki and TiddlySpace to danish users via blogs, in a magazine (Fri-IT), videopodcasts (kanaltux.dk) and on groups G+ and linux- abc.dk, where I have written a bunch of tutorials... My latest writeup (work in progress)(for Fri-IT) is made on a triptychtheme clone: http://fri-it-tiddlyspace.gir.dk ... I'm trying to make my (danish)version of TiddlySpace easier to navigate/more accesible by creating tscans à la @translations in spaces for plugins, apps, tips etc - which can be found directly via the tiddlyspace frontpage - there's still a lot of work to do ... I think it's crucial to have a lot of active users and they don't neccesarily have to have the same agenda for using the service IF things like your News Space is going to be effective... Your @News Space - and your @Groupie idea and Jon's Caspian-ii Space are perfect starting points for creating a new type of collaborative/ social spaceinteraction, where tweets/microblogging can turn out to be fullblown projects with a lot of material interwoven/shared between an indefinite number of participants - macrocontent could be hte result ;-) However we NEED some more users - not just great programmers working behind the scenes... !!! You are right. Documentation, is spread over too many places. IMO this seems to be a (sometimes frustrating) side effect from TWs non linear nature. TiddlySpace helps a lot - and I think it might help even more if contributors like Yoann and Wolfgang would port their work to TiddlySpace. I think they would LOVE to see other users interact with their creations - TiddlySpace is a great TiddlyPlace to do that :-) I don't think, that the mailing list is not active. The search term intro [4] uncovers some of my recent posts/plugins Mario - your and Tobias' contributions to the TiddlyWikiVerse these past two years has been FANTASTIC and not just kept things alive - I have really enjoyed following your progres and using your contributions - both CSS and plugins. I admire the fact that you both did the jump to TiddlySpace and contributed to make it into what it is now: a plethora of many, many possible combinations of themes and plugins. To me, you (Tobias, Jon, Fnd and Eric) stand out as the ones who has shown us all that nothing is impossible - and new things can happen - if you'r a dilligent, innovative and openminded craftsman... Thanks for all of your GREAT work - and please don't let hard times or ignorance kill the spirit!!! It's not always pleasant to be the pioneer who enters unchartered land - however I hope you'll get paid too - in one way or another - because your work has been invaluable for TW, this community and TiddlySpace... - no amateur hour at all - but a playground for geniusses like yourself!! The idea of selling TW better and to a broader audience might be someone elses playground - and we all have an interest in getting the message out - however there is no reason why things can't happen at the same time - and I think TiddlySpace is a huge step forward in that direction... I'm an amateur - both as a TW-user and as a salesman, however I introduce all my students, their parents and my collegues to TW (almost) every time I communicate with them. I write articles and tutorials and discuss TW with (almost) every individual I encounter on groups anywhere - either as a container for information we share or as a possible solution for almost any kind of informational problem they encounter... I think I say, or write TiddlyWiki or http://sth.tiddlyspace.com - or gir.dk at least 10 times pr day - I guess that is what I can do Please keep up the good work - and the spirit :-) Cheers Måns Mårtensson IMO a lot of conceptual ideas have been integrated into TiddlySpace but this should be answered by Jeremy. not so easy to do ;-) My invitation from above still stands :) have fun! mario [1]http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/25c4ce... [3]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/3f01fd... [4]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/search?group=tiddlywikiq=i... [5]http://news.tiddlyspace.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this
[tw] Re: ReIntro and feedback request about news space.
Hello Mans and all, Had there been a +1 button I would have given you one. My same sentiments indeed. Without the generosity and constant efforts of this community I would have lost interest a looong time ago. Just my 2 cents. **Well, back to listening... :)** Best regards, Julio On Nov 9, 9:13 am, Måns humam...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mario I started a new topic, because this post will be way to - off topic - to respond in erics post. It directly mentions something that I made, which wasn't intended as a joke [5]. I think it was a brilliant idea and I'm trying to feature it on a danish version of tiddlyspace here:http://tiddlyspace.gir.dk My hope is that danish linux and open source communities will use tiddlyspace.dk (or similar) as the framework for communication and development... I still have to do a lot of pr-work - I'm trying to indtroduce both TiddlyWiki and TiddlySpace to danish users via blogs, in a magazine (Fri-IT), videopodcasts (kanaltux.dk) and on groups G+ and linux- abc.dk, where I have written a bunch of tutorials... My latest writeup (work in progress)(for Fri-IT) is made on a triptychtheme clone:http://fri-it-tiddlyspace.gir.dk... I'm trying to make my (danish)version of TiddlySpace easier to navigate/more accesible by creating tscans à la @translations in spaces for plugins, apps, tips etc - which can be found directly via the tiddlyspace frontpage - there's still a lot of work to do ... I think it's crucial to have a lot of active users and they don't neccesarily have to have the same agenda for using the service IF things like your News Space is going to be effective... Your @News Space - and your @Groupie idea and Jon's Caspian-ii Space are perfect starting points for creating a new type of collaborative/ social spaceinteraction, where tweets/microblogging can turn out to be fullblown projects with a lot of material interwoven/shared between an indefinite number of participants - macrocontent could be hte result ;-) However we NEED some more users - not just great programmers working behind the scenes... !!! You are right. Documentation, is spread over too many places. IMO this seems to be a (sometimes frustrating) side effect from TWs non linear nature. TiddlySpace helps a lot - and I think it might help even more if contributors like Yoann and Wolfgang would port their work to TiddlySpace. I think they would LOVE to see other users interact with their creations - TiddlySpace is a great TiddlyPlace to do that :-) I don't think, that the mailing list is not active. The search term intro [4] uncovers some of my recent posts/plugins Mario - your and Tobias' contributions to the TiddlyWikiVerse these past two years has been FANTASTIC and not just kept things alive - I have really enjoyed following your progres and using your contributions - both CSS and plugins. I admire the fact that you both did the jump to TiddlySpace and contributed to make it into what it is now: a plethora of many, many possible combinations of themes and plugins. To me, you (Tobias, Jon, Fnd and Eric) stand out as the ones who has shown us all that nothing is impossible - and new things can happen - if you'r a dilligent, innovative and openminded craftsman... Thanks for all of your GREAT work - and please don't let hard times or ignorance kill the spirit!!! It's not always pleasant to be the pioneer who enters unchartered land - however I hope you'll get paid too - in one way or another - because your work has been invaluable for TW, this community and TiddlySpace... - no amateur hour at all - but a playground for geniusses like yourself!! The idea of selling TW better and to a broader audience might be someone elses playground - and we all have an interest in getting the message out - however there is no reason why things can't happen at the same time - and I think TiddlySpace is a huge step forward in that direction... I'm an amateur - both as a TW-user and as a salesman, however I introduce all my students, their parents and my collegues to TW (almost) every time I communicate with them. I write articles and tutorials and discuss TW with (almost) every individual I encounter on groups anywhere - either as a container for information we share or as a possible solution for almost any kind of informational problem they encounter... I think I say, or write TiddlyWiki or http://sth.tiddlyspace.com- or gir.dk at least 10 times pr day - I guess that is what I can do Please keep up the good work - and the spirit :-) Cheers Måns Mårtensson IMO a lot of conceptual ideas have been integrated into TiddlySpace but this should be answered by Jeremy. not so easy to do ;-) My invitation from above still stands :) have fun! mario [1]http://news.tiddlyspace.com/#About [2]http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki/browse_thread/thread/25c4ce...
[tw] Re: On Leaving BT and Osmosoft
Hi Jeremy To be sincere and constructive in working for an organisation like BT, you have to take on the problems and perspective of the organisation as a whole. The process is fascinating and instructive, and I've learned a lot from it. But now I have the luxury of exchanging those concerns for some much simpler ones: making TiddlyWiki good, and being able to earn a living because of it. I wish you all the best - and hope to hear about your new ventures on these threads! As you can read from recent posts there are a lot of thinking(concerns) going on - on the same matter: Earning a living because of TW, Using TW as the platform for a new single-page app or making professional strategies with TW etc ... It's something of a coincidence that both Eric Shulman and You are in a similar situation?! Please get in contact and enjoy that you have some common grounds. I believe we can all benefit from your ventures into the private consulting business... - even if it's just some new plugins or a new application based on TW. Please ask if you need help of any kind.. Congratulations, good luck - and all the best. Cheers Måns Mårtensson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Tackling File Importing in modern browsers
I've had a go at rewriting the TiddlyWiki file importer using the HTML5 file api http://www.w3.org/TR/FileAPI/ It works in Firefox but not Chrome but it seems hopeful. It would be good for others to try it out. Simply slot this plugin into your shiny new Firefox version which you cannot import from: http://repository.tiddlyspace.com/#TiddlyFileImportr and hopefully importing will be possible again... Let me know how you get on. See the related issue here: https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/tiddlywiki/issues/38#issuecomment-2675766 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] WriteType as a TiddlyWiki?
Hi TwWizards I just discovered WriteType, and I wonder if it would be feasible/ possible to create a TiddlyWiki clone with (almost) already available plugins?? : WriteType is a free (and open source) program that helps younger students experience success in writing. It is designed especially for schools to transform technology from a barrier into an opportunity for success. Some major features include: Word Completion — As students type, word suggestions appear on the right-hand side of the screen to complete the word being typed. Clicking on the desired word will finish the word. WriteType will also learn a student’s habits over time and make more relevant suggestions based on what has already been written. Reading Back the Document — WriteType will read back written text, allowing students to catch errors they may not have caught reading it back themselves. Highlighting — Sections of the document can be quickly highlighted while typing or while listening to the document being read back. This lets students quickly flag areas they need to go back and review. Grammar checking — WriteType will underline simple grammar and formatting mistakes in the document, and offer to make the necessary revision. Auto-correction — Common errors, such as typing isnt instead of isn’t, will be corrected automatically without the need for intervention. Read more here: http://www.socsci.umn.edu/~shinn024/writetype/index.html If we could autogenerate a filtered list (suggestions) based on what is being written in a tiddler (in editmode) - maybe with Eric's PreviewPlugin as a wikifier/middlestep - and this list is getting it's words/material from a line separated list of words (a glossary in any language) - maybe some bits from an already existing alias macro could do the job of autogenerating the suggestions list?? If clicking one of the suggested aliases would result in writing that word instead of what was typed - that would awesome - however not a necessary requirement There are already online reading back devices which can be embedded some way or another - even if it just has to be an external link... Highlighting: @@,,@@ Grammar checking is part of a modern browser.. Auto-correction could be something that only happens when you click done - and again I recon the AliasPlugin (in a modded version for text) and a simple lineseparated list some glossary - can do the trick... Just an idea for develloping an app which might SELL TW as a writing aid program ;-) Cheers Måns Mårtensson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Hi Eric, I wish you success. Your plugins are a great inspiration. What makes your work so important is that it is focused on tiddlywiki itself. I value that much more than the developments in tiddlyspace. For me tiddlyspace looks just like another server based system, but tiddlywiki is special. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: On Leaving BT and Osmosoft
Hi Jeremy, that sounds like great news for yourself and tiddlywiki. I hope that you new found freedom will give you the opportunity to develop tiddlywiki further. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: TW as SQLite front end
Hi Okido, there was a server based tw implementation using sqlite (and tcl) as a backend called twiki. The filename was twiki-0.7.2.zip. Also you can use tw with the firefox addon pow (webserver for firefox) to access sqlite db's. However that needs programming. On Nov 7, 6:23 pm, okido bkn...@gmail.com wrote: Is there anybody out there who connected TW as a front end to a SQLite DB ? Thanks, Okido -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
Re: mGSD feature request: Done Actions list with scroll-Bar in Project template
many thanks! It looks a bit different, (the header is part of the scrolling text now, and it is always there, also when empty). But it is more than good enough for me! Gerold -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups GTD TiddlyWiki group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gtd-tiddlywiki/-/tdnyMo-yeF8J. To post to this group, send email to gtd-tiddlyw...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to gtd-tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/gtd-tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Sorry for the short answers... Thanks for taking the time for such detailed responses, Måns. Try to keep myself short. You should be able to do sth like: list filter [tag[someTag] template:someTemplate Why should I spent many, many hours to recreate what ForEachTiddler already does? - maybe only to realize that it wont be as capable? If you ported your plugins... First they aren't mine, and I know for sure at least Eric wouldn't be glad to have his earlier versions of plugins or scripts distributed. They are already collected without the slightest need of the for me not understandable or hackable technology of Tiddlyspace. For sharing it I only would have to share a link to my dropbox (but only if Eric explicitly allows). And it already loads under 3 seconds from my drive, which no online version could beat. By the way, I already made a detailed link list of all TWs with update dates from which I imported everything from on tiddlywiki.org's page: Where do I find plugins?. Tiddyspace's new version only made this list gone! For destroying former already sparse contributions of this community TiddlySpace wouldn't have been needed, don't you think? I don't agree - I still think of a space as a normal TiddlyWiki. Well, I shouldn't have followed your earlier answer under time- pressure: that I could delete everything as it is the case with a 'normal' TW (..without making a backup ;-). I beat my self and destroyed my first Tiddlyspace faster than any TW before: under a minute! Do I need a paid consultant now I can't afford? - Certainly not, because standalone TWs simply work. Or I'm able to track a serious error myself. As it seems now Tiddlyspace isn't normal and client centered at all. It's crowded with tiddlers which aren't delete or tagable, so in my view they don't deserve to be called 'tiddlers', even in it's most minimal state it's tab tags is already crowded with tags with no use for any user. Please clean this up, at the most have only one single systemConfig tiddler with all the Tiddlyspace stuff, it's anyway completely interdependent and undocumented stuff which should really be invisible or shadowed. And better still, include it with a script in MarkupPostBody shadowed tiddler. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
Eric, First and foremost, you have been the #1 resource in the TiddlyWiki community for as long as I know it and I would not like at all to slowly see you leave this place. I am most grateful that you parted some of your valuable knowledge on the inner workings of this marvelous piece of self-empowerment with me ...and most all of us here and elsewhere. I believe, TiddlyWiki has a lot of potential to empower individuals on so many levels. But those potentials cannot fully unfold for a number of reasons which, I believe, are... - the standalone paradigm, lacking fundamental server-side and messaging concepts as well as a harmonized external resource management - an overblown core that imposes much more than a core really has to ...or perhaps a basic MVC pattern that woud allow to easily swap, at least, the VC part of the portfolio - an incredibly powerful TiddlyWeb which, presumably, way too quickly had been pushed onto a market (?!?) dressed up in TiddlySpace garment ...but let's not blame TiddlySpace for things. It sure has helped to further improve its much more essential foundation... which is TiddlyWeb... thanks to a certain group of very inspirational masterminds behind both, including Jeremy. When it comes to good ol' TiddlyWiki, I would have hoped by now that a core had emerged (with TiddlyWiki 5?) which is streamlined in just the same way as a linux kernel supposedly is... or maybe was in some idealized, imaginary version of it. I agree with most of the so far articulated criticism, especially with all those that call for - and have long called for (including myself) - a powerful COMMUNITY PLATFORM, i.e. a plugin / documentation / use- case / etc... repository for the TiddlyVerse. I wish this TiddlyVerse had a different core in terms of a central vision, basic tentets and yes, marketing efforts, ...for a good and open-source cause... which made it way more accessible to the world at large. I believe, the missing link truly is a server-side that comes along with the very same spirit of simplicity, expressiveness and flexibility as TiddlyWiki... which to mold and bake one is free to explore ...with a reasonable level of expertise, of course ...and, well, resource requirements. Besides being based on python, I don't even think that TiddlyWeb is that far from being exactly that. Heck, if python hosting were as popular and freely available as PHP hosting, TiddlyWeb would have gained significantly more momentum by now. Although Wolfgang (and in terms of silence, Eric, too) expressed a certain reluctancy, I do indeed believe that TiddlySpace (or rather TiddlyWeb) is a much understated technology that follows exactly this paradigm... opening up the idea of whatever a tiddler represents to a larger public. But then, there is a certain conflict of interest between the self empowering, standalone TiddlyWiki that we know and have grown to cherish with all its somewhat hidden, yet feature rich expressiveness which sure is difficult to decipher and to unveil for noobs or which for one (who is required to follow governance principles or one who desperately wishes there was a multiuser enabled environment) finds difficult to rely on the one hand ...and the centralized hack- and expandable community-thing, namely Tiddlyspace, that makes content generation and sharing oh so easy on the other... but maybe also vulnerable. Rather than providing a solid server side, TiddlySpace tries to compete on a playground where by default it seems to have a tough standing in terms of marketing budget, conversion potential or professional appearance that in no way compare to that of Facebook, Google+ or many, many other content authoring and sharing platforms like Tumblr, Soup.io and Co. Maybe, just maybe, TiddlySpace not only hardly lives up to the potential that TiddlyWeb has in store but also imposes a governance pattern to current (server-side) TiddlyWiki development efforts which creates a funny feeling to a significant number of formerly self- empowered tiddly-enthousiast. One thing is for sure, ServerSides are the way to go in the TiddlyWorld... based on the powerful idea of a tiddler (or whatever you want to call it) and the ease of web based data manipulation that javascript provides... to end users. The missing link has always been equally powerful, adaptable server- sides... providing a persistence layer based on the most simple patterns conceivable... if not, exactly those that TiddlyWeb already does entail. If TiddlyWebWiki were to marry with projects like Diaspora, BitTorrent, even Erlang, then we could talk business... but I find it hard to believe that a have your TiddlySpace kind of playground will live up to its underlying potential, at all... although I do indeed enjoy my admittedly unstructured (and way too random) 5 minutes of playing with it here and there. Although I would believe that Eric himself never seemed to participate in or muh care for the server side of the requirement basket (and
[tw] Re: Important Message from Eric
I would like to reiterate much of what has been said here, firstly the praise for Eric's work and support for the whole TW community. But secondly I too have thought that TW is slowly dying. I am a user not a developer - I want tools for my work because I love my work (history and archaeology) and am not skilled or particularly interested in programming. I have modified and customised Dave Gifford's/Morris Gray's basic tool for note taking but am frustrated by problems with updating the basic TW core and with browser incompatibilities. Surely these are key issues, something you shouldn't need to figure out work arounds to deal with. I am beginning to wonder whether for what I use TW for, which is note taking and organisation of historical information, Microsoft (there I said it) One Note might not be more effective and user friendly. yours Iain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki?hl=en.
