[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Dam!

Do you know what can be causing this?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6VM1Dsm-PtE/VHLmC4UZPcI/Lmw/wuLPFXrI-M4/s1600/error.PNG
That was a tiddler with this content

$taskgraph mode=graph height=300px view=tables 
editor=true/$taskgraph

It was working normally. Then I edited it to make it bigger and when I 
saved I got this error. Now I'm getting this error all the times I try to 
create the tiddler with that view.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
I have to add that importing the plugin in firefox works but in chrome it 
breaks when I try to import the vis.js plugin.

El lunes, 24 de noviembre de 2014 09:04:01 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
escribió:

 Dam!

 Do you know what can be causing this?


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6VM1Dsm-PtE/VHLmC4UZPcI/Lmw/wuLPFXrI-M4/s1600/error.PNG
 That was a tiddler with this content

 $taskgraph mode=graph height=300px view=tables 
 editor=true/$taskgraph

 It was working normally. Then I edited it to make it bigger and when I 
 saved I got this error. Now I'm getting this error all the times I try to 
 create the tiddler with that view.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Stephan Hradek
You could also escape one of the /s with #47;

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Stephan Hradek
Or create your own nowiki-template:

title: nowiki
content: $view field=title/

Usage: {{//hostname/folder||nowiki}}

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[tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 \define getCount() $count filter='[all[]]'/
 $button$action-setfield $field=myField $value=getCount/Set field/
 $button


You're right, that doesn't appear to work and I am thinking that 
action-setfield 
might just not be polished all the way.

Could well be a bug, although I would have thought that the evaluation 
pattern would be the same throughout widgets, action widgets or otherwise.

I did some experimentation here...

http://tbdemo.tiddlyspot.com/#Count%20Filter%20Deferred%20To%20Macro

And I tested way more than that, e.g. passing variables or macro 
parameters, etc... all to no avail.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Hello Felix,

I find the tiddler $:/plugins/felixhayashi/taskgraph/options/vis 
file:///C:/Users/danierod/Documents/tiddlywikis/database_Schema.htm#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ffelixhayashi%2Ftaskgraph%2Foptions%2Fvis
 very 
interesting. Specially the configurePhysics option. I find it too 
detailed If I specify it to true, but I want to be able to specify those 
values at some point. It is a very cool control panel. I specially like the 
ability to specify the hierarchical view.

I did not find any place to specify options via GUI. There is no such place 
right?

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Re: [tw] Re: if tiddler is a tag ...then list tags

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Alex,
 

 tb5 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/# is very useful btw - I'm also flattered 
 to see my workflow in there. the references filter is inspired.


Thanks. Restructuring bits and pieces has its way of turning out nicely. ^^

Don't thank me too much, after all it's been you and everyone here sharing 
workflow concepts and solutions with everyone else. I was merely trying to 
have things demonstrated, even if only for myself, and put together 
tw-style, rather than do search in groups. ;)

I have a few more workflows in progress. I think they are important things 
 to share.


Looking forward to that, Alex!

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez



 Notice those blue arrows?


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F_ws5GR2mVM/VHLioWIdfAI/Lmk/irj7-EDbKJ4/s1600/taskgraph.PNG

This only happens if I export the plugin. I ended downloading your full 
wiki and working on it.

One question: Is possible to make a node appear twice? Maybe allowing more 
than one ID. This could be useful to me because I'm creating a schema of my 
company DB, and there are a lot of properties with the same name. Having 
tables linked with properties that does not actually link them seems 
incorrect to me.

ID---property of---Transactions
ID---property of---Sales
Transaction_ID---property of---Sales

As you can see, Transaction_ID links both thables, but on the schema looks 
like it were linked by ID.

Regards.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Jed

 I would like to be able to pass the output of $count filter='[all[]]'/
to the macro as a parameter.

There is no way at the moment to store the results of wikifying text into a
variable or a tiddler. Transcluded attributes on widgets/HTML elements are
never wikified; the attribute gets the raw value of the variable or tiddler
field.

 I made a javascript macro that will return a random number in a given
range using a given step size

Did you see the earlier discussion about random number generation? Using a
macro is not a safe strategy. Because of the limitation that JS macros are
not refreshable, it'll work some of the time, but will cause problems in
some situations.

The key to remember is that the entire state of the wiki needs to be stored
in the tiddler store. The system needs to render exactly the same DOM
content for a given state of the tiddler store.

Best wishes

Jeremy.





On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 \define getCount() $count filter='[all[]]'/
 $button$action-setfield $field=myField $value=getCount/Set
 field/$button


 You're right, that doesn't appear to work and I am thinking that 
 action-setfield
 might just not be polished all the way.

 Could well be a bug, although I would have thought that the evaluation
 pattern would be the same throughout widgets, action widgets or otherwise.

 I did some experimentation here...

 http://tbdemo.tiddlyspot.com/#Count%20Filter%20Deferred%20To%20Macro

 And I tested way more than that, e.g. passing variables or macro
 parameters, etc... all to no avail.

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: if tiddler is a tag ...then list tags

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
By the way,

I am now putting demonstrations for group qa up at tbdemo 
http://tbdemo.tiddlyspot.com, here's a post the answer above...

http://tbdemo.tiddlyspot.com/#Tiddlers%20As%20Link

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Ken

The solution that I use is to wrap the pathname in backticks, which causes
it to be displayed as literal monospaced text: `//hostname/folder`

Would that work for you?

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Ken kenneth.m.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am trying to include a URL  in the format '//hostname/folder' in a
 Tiddler. Tiddlywiki sees the '//' as a request to format the text in
 italics. How do I quote the '//' so they appear as part of the rendered
 text rather than as formatting characters?

 In V2, I would use triple double quotes, or the nowiki tag, but neither
 of these appears to work in V5. The triple backtick quotes the characters,
 but I really don't want to display the URL in code format.

 Thanks.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] in a macro: achieve if / else

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Metablele,

See the $iftid and $iftref widgets at: http://gwiz.tiddlyspot.com/


Thanks for the example. Seems quite a constraint, thought, to be only able 
to check if a tiddler title exists.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez


 Having tables linked with properties that does not actually link them 
 seems incorrect to me.

 ID---property of---Transactions
 ID---property of---Sales
 Transaction_ID---property of---Sales

 As you can see, Transaction_ID links both thables, but on the schema looks 
 like it were linked by ID.


Thinking about this I think the caption thing could be the solution. Then 
you can name the property with the name of the table also and specify just 
the property name on the caption. 

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Yet another documentation idea

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Ah, thanks Daniel

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Jed Carty inmyso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you!

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] in a macro: achieve if / else

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias

Instead, we could do things like...

 \if param (mode:value)

 for example...

 \if param (equals:foo)


The trouble with that approach is that it requires us to implement yet
another, new syntax for the expression handling. We've already got a number
of parsers in place within TiddlyWiki, and I'd be reluctant to add another
non-standard one. The advantage of the ifdef/ifndef syntax is that there's
no need to introduce a conditional expression syntax.

Best wishes

Jeremy




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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] New Feature Moratorium

2014-11-24 Thread PMario
On Monday, November 24, 2014 12:52:09 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:


 On a need basis perhaps? I.e if a part can be reused, then it is 
 tiddlified to avoid redundance in the system. Not sure how to deal with if 
 there's later a wish to change it in one context but not the other. Or 
 maybe clone+change is obvoius solution?


 Yes, but that introduces a few questions, like...

- What name should that new tiddler get?

 Finding proper name for tiddlers is always important and if you want to 
reference sections you need proper tiddler names *and* proper section 
names, otherwise your links will break in the future. So it doubles the 
complexity. 


- Does it need tagging?

 Some tiddlers may need tagging, some may not. Similar problem to creating 
a TOC. The core can handle it already.
 


- Any fields?

 If needed. eg: caption


- Where do I need to link it?

 In the main overview tiddler 


- How do I put it into context?

 An eg: executive summary tiddler can have a list with 2-3 lines of info, 
to get an overview. 
A show it all tiddler can transclude the whole content. Those concepts 
are part of tiddlywiki.com already, so let us use it.


- Does it need ordering in some list?

 may be.

The core will get drag and drop UI for list sorting in the future. Do you 
want to provide the same functions for sections too, without modifying the 
tiddler text? To accomplish this, you'll need new tiddlers to store the 
configuration. So what do you win, except making the mechanisms more 
complicated?

Whereas I could simply do some section magic 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/23PzU2qCsj4, 
 reference that bit form anywhere, have it neatly displayed in a clickable 
 toc... and all those things that make not really big tiddlers not 
 nessessarily smaller than they have to be.


Why do you want to use magic, if you can use the core functions?
 

 Let me put it slightly differently: there is a too small... in the sense 
 of: smaller than is perhaps good for ya... omg, all the uncertainty that 
 comes with the quantum-approach to anything. ^^


At the beginning, I also wanted to have sections and slices back. ... but 
using tiddlers for everything creates the power that TW has at the moment. 
... Implementing sections with the same functionality as tiddlers, would 
create more complexity in the core sw and is redundant, because tiddlers 
can do it already. 

If you search the group for *pmario *and *section *you may find those posts 
and Jeremys responses. 

*IMO tiddlers should be the smallest chunks of text we deal with. ... But 
we need to improve the UI to compose and manipulate them. ...*

So if you want to have new plugins to make proper documentation possible, 
we need those plugins to fit to the global core concept. ... If we really 
need new core features to improve the documentation, Jeremy is needed to 
implement them. ... But that's a problem, if we want the moratorium. 

There are a lot of possibilities to be explored with TW. Falling back to 
TWclassic patterns will just limit us, even if it seems to be faster in the 
short run. ... So let us step forward and not backward.

just my 2 cents
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] in a macro: achieve if / else

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
A solution to the if / else problem will definitely also answer the 
question of how to make a tagging macro that can do both of...

   - *tagging*
  - get tagging for current tiddler
   - *tagging foo*
  - get tagging for tiddler foo
   

...and I am thkning that it shoud not require any reveal states as the 
conditions to check are far more generic than those currently implemented, 
thus not requiring additional states.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Thanks for the Buttery Goodness - Question about linking images with images in TW5

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Rich,
 

 I wanted to link the small images in the gallery to the big images I 
 imported.


http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Link%20Images
 

 TW1 ... TW5


I'd make that at least a TW101, TW10X... so that we're not thinking of 
versions. ;)

Yes, one could ascribe a level to certain concepts / topics / lessons and 
then list them accordingly, even have tests around that.

As for certification, I wonder what authoritative institution should be 
doing that and for what purpose. ^^
 

 So the goal would be to take the concepts that can come up and decide 'is 
 this easy' or 'is this complicated'
 Rate each concept and then build the levels with all of the concepts 
 divided between levels.


Yes, that is a sensible approach, but I'd perhaps rather use descriptive 
titles or categories rather than numbers, e.g.

   - Beginner
   - Advanced
   - Pro
   - Dev

Just because something is complicated doesn't mean it should not be shown 
 in TW1, you just make sure you explain anything complicated very well.


I think it shouldn't be in 101, but it should certainly link to 10X so as 
to indicate where to learn more.
 

 Non Linear Learning can be complicated, SO make it easy by leading them 
 along a path.
 Just because it is Non Linear doesn't mean you can create a LINE.
 If someone veers off the line they can EASILY reset the system and start 
 over.


I think the 101...10X approach is somewhat linear, although the learning 
itself needs not be.
What is important is that a user sees what level of expertise is involved 
in mastering a topic and what is somewhat expected from him at that level.
 

 I have to mention that I just started using Google Keep and I find the 
 combination between TW5 and Google Keep amazing.


Mhhh, Google Keep does look pretty, sure. But it's quite basic compared 
to...

   - TiddlyWiki
   - Trello
   - Producteev
   - Wunderlist
   - ...

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,
 

 There is no way at the moment to store the results of wikifying text into 
 a variable or a tiddler. Transcluded attributes on widgets/HTML elements 
 are never wikified; the attribute gets the raw value of the variable or 
 tiddler field.


Perhaps a *\wikify* pragma for macros may solve this problem?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Thanks for the Buttery Goodness - Question about linking images with images in TW5

2014-11-24 Thread Birthe C
Hi RichSchumaker

Concerning your gallery, Dave Gifford experimented with something like that 
in an earlier version of TW5 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/RpGJClG1dq4/mPXSuVpvtf8J


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias


 Perhaps a *\wikify* pragma for macros may solve this problem?


I think the ability to wikify text into a variable or tiddler should be
done at the widget layer, and doesn't need to be part of the macro syntax.

Anyhow, there is an easier way that may achieve Jed's original goal. We
could add a count filter operator and then use the new action-setfield
ability to render the results of a filter into a tiddler.

Best wishes

Jeremy




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[tw] Re: [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Thanks Steephan, that's an elegant trick...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Preventing%20Wikification

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 One question: Is possible to make a node appear twice? Maybe allowing more 
 than one ID. This could be useful to me because I'm creating a schema of my 
 company DB, and there are a lot of properties with the same name. Having 
 tables linked with properties that does not actually link them seems 
 incorrect to me.

 ID---property of---Transactions
 ID---property of---Sales
 Transaction_ID---property of---Sales

 As you can see, Transaction_ID links both thables, but on the schema looks 
 like it were linked by ID.


Well, you'd have to have individual tiddlers for that in your Wiki anyhow, 
no?

   - [[Transactions.ID]]
   - [[Sales.ID]]
   - [[Sales.Transaction_ID]]

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
To me, this is how plugins should be configured! ...not individual option 
tiddlers.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
@Jeremy,

Using Stephan's trick, I wonder how to best hide *nowiki* from the tiddler 
lists as it's a functional bit that's got little to do with actual content.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,
 

 Perhaps a *\wikify* pragma for macros may solve this problem?

  

I think the ability to wikify text into a variable or tiddler should be 
 done at the widget layer, and doesn't need to be part of the macro syntax.


...but then a widget can have a number of parameters all of which may want 
to be computed via wikified contents.
 

 Anyhow, there is an easier way that may achieve Jed's original goal. We 
 could add a count filter operator and then use the new action-setfield 
 ability to render the results of a filter into a tiddler.


(How) Is that possible right now? Having a field set to the results of a 
filter, irrespective of whether or not there is a *[count[]]* filter?

Also, looking at...

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#ActionSetFieldWidget

I am seeing...

$action-setfield $tiddler=$:/state/tab-1749438307 $field=text 
$value=$:/core/ui/ControlPanel/Appearance/

To be honest, those numbers right there are precisely why I don't trust the 
state-paradigm along. This looks too arbitrary to feel reliable and to 
cryptic to be readable.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
I believe your problem has the same cause as tiddlywiki.com not being able 
to render the static link in the TiddlerInfo panel as an actual link in the 
info-tab $:/editions/tw5.com/TiddlerInfo/Sources 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Feditions%2Ftw5.com%2FTiddlerInfo%2FSources
.

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Re: [tw] [TW5] node.js post install — http 403 forbidden

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
So, yes, that was it, there was a poorly named service called...

*WWW-Publishingdienst* (W3SVC / iissvcs)

...running and occupying that pipeline.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Montag, 24. November 2014 12:28:50 UTC+1 schrieb Tobias Beer:

 @Jeremy,

 Using Stephan's trick, I wonder how to best hide *nowiki* from the 
 tiddler lists as it's a functional bit that's got little to do with actual 
 content.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


Instead of nowiki name it $/nowiki

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Quoting formatting characters

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 Instead of nowiki name it $/nowiki


Yes, it's just that this makes it quite ugly to use in the wikitext which 
is already more complicated that it used to be.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Another issue with presumably the same problem hindering implementation...

#1098: Extend tabs macro to support tooltips 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1098 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
 

 Another issue with presumably the same problem hindering implementation...
 #1098: Extend tabs macro to support tooltips 
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1098 


At least that's what happens if I preceed $:/core/macros/tabs 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmacros%2Ftabs with this...

\define getTooltip() {{$(currentTab)$!!caption}}

and then try to extend the tab-button with a tooltip parameter...

$button set=qualify $state$ setTo=currentTab default=$default$ 
selectedClass=tc-tab-selected tooltip=getTooltip

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Re: [tw] [TW5] node.js post install — http 403 forbidden

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias

Great, glad it's sorted,

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, yes, that was it, there was a poorly named service called...

 *WWW-Publishingdienst* (W3SVC / iissvcs)

 ...running and occupying that pipeline.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers

Hi Tobias
 

 Maybe this is already recorded on github, but... the inability to type on 
 the tag field of the taskgraph is intended?


Nope I am trying hard to solve that. Its on github already.
 

 Also, take a look on how looks like your plugin imported into my personal 
 wiki:

 Notice those blue arrows?


 https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F_ws5GR2mVM/VHLioWIdfAI/Lmk/irj7-EDbKJ4/s1600/taskgraph.PNG



I still did not find the time to look at the different browsers yet. Good 
that you paste screenshots.Would be great if you could just open an issue 
for these things, A one-liner as message or a screenshot is enough.


Thanks for reporting

Regards
Felix
 

 El domingo, 23 de noviembre de 2014 17:46:58 UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez 
 escribió:

 Hello Félix 

 I was trying on the online version. Now is working. Maybe is a problem on 
 my Mac, on my mobile it's working. I'll check it out.



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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers


On Monday, November 24, 2014 9:04:01 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:

 Dam!

 Do you know what can be causing this?


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6VM1Dsm-PtE/VHLmC4UZPcI/Lmw/wuLPFXrI-M4/s1600/error.PNG
 That was a tiddler with this content

 $taskgraph mode=graph height=300px view=tables 
 editor=true/$taskgraph

 It was working normally. Then I edited it to make it bigger and when I 
 saved I got this error. Now I'm getting this error all the times I try to 
 create the tiddler with that view.



Hmm yes, I see it looks like it tries to insert the graph many times not 
overriding the parent domnode but appending a new one. 
I have not had this error myself. Might be connected with the browsers we 
are using. but I will think about it. Please be patient :)

Please just file an issue at github with a small message, your browser 
version and maybe copy the console debug you get in firebug. when debug is 
enabled.

Felix

 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers
I will try to make most of the options available from the menubar above the 
graph. So you can set options for every graph independently.
Takes time though.

Please be patient. :)

On Monday, November 24, 2014 9:46:32 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:

 Hello Felix,

 I find the tiddler $:/plugins/felixhayashi/taskgraph/options/vis very 
 interesting. Specially the configurePhysics option. I find it too 
 detailed If I specify it to true, but I want to be able to specify those 
 values at some point. It is a very cool control panel. I specially like the 
 ability to specify the hierarchical view.

 I did not find any place to specify options via GUI. There is no such 
 place right?


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers
Yes, I agree with Tobias.

On Monday, November 24, 2014 11:52:00 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:


 Well, you'd have to have individual tiddlers for that in your Wiki anyhow, 
 no?

- [[Transactions.ID]]
- [[Sales.ID]]
- [[Sales.Transaction_ID]]

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] 5.1.5 prerelease - Passing the output of $count to a macro as a number

2014-11-24 Thread Jed Carty
Jeremy, 

Yes, that conversation was what made me want to look into this. The problems 
you mentioned happen of course but if you trigger the macro using a button 
store the macro output in a state tiddler then you have a limited context where 
random number generation works. A widget message or something similar seems 
like it would be a better way to implement this, but I am not familiar enough 
with Javascript or the internal workings of tiddlywiki to do that yet.

The question about the count widget here would allow me to dynamically set the 
range for the generated numbers and could be used to make an 'open random 
tiddler' button with the tiddlers drawn from an arbitrary list. 

Since we can't do that yet I may look into making something that can after I 
implement the random generator in a more reasonable way, but that sounds 
significantly harder than a working rng. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Danielo
 

 One question: Is possible to make a node appear twice? Maybe allowing more 
 than one ID. This could be useful to me because I'm creating a schema of my 
 company DB, and there are a lot of properties with the same name. Having 
 tables linked with properties that does not actually link them seems 
 incorrect to me.


Well, it is not possible to have a two nodes with different names 
representing the same tiddler. This would destroy my architecture. The 
philosophy is: A node is a unique entity representing a tiddler. Otherwise 
I would not know how to store the node or which caption to use in which 
context or how to handle cases when the title itself is the id. It would 
make the whole thing much more complicated than how it is already at the 
moment :) 

But anyhow, if you are talking about the same id in your relational db 
model, then link from the same id. if it is another id (another table's id) 
then you should create a new node table2.id and link from there.

Felix

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers


 Thinking about this I think the caption thing could be the solution. Then 
 you can name the property with the name of the table also and specify just 
 the property name on the caption. 


The only thing I can think of is to let you specify an alias for a node 
that is stored only in the view (graph). It could not be stored in the 
tiddler because the tiddler could be used in many graphs.

Is this what you meant?

Felix

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Taskgraph BETA is out on github and nightly demo is available

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Küppers
Ah danielo.

You cannot clone tiddlers! Did you do that? Because the id is then 
dublicated.

Felix

On Monday, November 24, 2014 9:04:01 AM UTC+1, Danielo Rodríguez wrote:

 Dam!

 Do you know what can be causing this?


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6VM1Dsm-PtE/VHLmC4UZPcI/Lmw/wuLPFXrI-M4/s1600/error.PNG
 That was a tiddler with this content

 $taskgraph mode=graph height=300px view=tables 
 editor=true/$taskgraph

 It was working normally. Then I edited it to make it bigger and when I 
 saved I got this error. Now I'm getting this error all the times I try to 
 create the tiddler with that view.


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[tw] [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Andreas
Hi there,

I have a field in a tiddler which holds a date (t_duedate: 2014-11-27).
What I now want to do is to add seven days to this date by simply pressing 
a button.

How can I add a value to a field?
Is there a solution for adding days?

Hope you can help,
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Andreas

I'm afraid there's no support for mathematical operations in TiddlyWiki
yet. There is a ticket:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/254

Best wishes

Jeremy.


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wrote:

 Hi there,

 I have a field in a tiddler which holds a date (t_duedate: 2014-11-27).
 What I now want to do is to add seven days to this date by simply pressing
 a button.

 How can I add a value to a field?
 Is there a solution for adding days?

 Hope you can help,
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread cmari
Hi Andreas,
See this thread:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/tiddlywiki/datetime/tiddlywiki/Ez2OwDXBwk8/t0ZKXYjmKJ4J

which refers to Stephan's dateTimeMacro here:
http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/

Works really well for me!
cmari

On Monday, November 24, 2014 8:46:05 AM UTC-8, Andreas wrote:

 Hi there,

 I have a field in a tiddler which holds a date (t_duedate: 2014-11-27).
 What I now want to do is to add seven days to this date by simply pressing 
 a button.

 How can I add a value to a field?
 Is there a solution for adding days?

 Hope you can help,
 Andreas


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Andreas
Hi cmari,

the dateTime module could be what I was searching for - thanks for this.

The usage is described like this:
The variable tag hold the current date.
$set name=tag value=dateTime DD-MMM

One question I still have:
How do I get the resulting date from the variable tag into my field 
t_duedate?
(Sorry if this question is to stupid...)

Andreas

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Andreas,
 

 I have a field in a tiddler which holds a date (t_duedate: 2014-11-27).
 What I now want to do is to add seven days to this date by simply pressing 
 a button.

 How can I add a value to a field?
 Is there a solution for adding days?


I think, eventually, this requires two things...

   - a core awareness of field-types that can be defined somewhere
   - utility widgets that allow to leverage that information and display 
   relevant controls

For example, another usecase — although not nearly as challenging — would 
be to have a boolean field set via checkbox, even in the default field 
editor that has been made type-aware.

Apart form doing basic date manipulation as you want, another meaningful 
addition for editing dates would be a date picker.

Yet another field may provide you with the option to select from a number 
of predefined defaults, etc... etc...

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias


- a core awareness of field-types that can be defined somewhere

 Fields already have a type - look at the tiddler object definition in
boot.js.

But in practice I think that was a poor decision, and it makes more sense
for all fields to be strings and to be parsed to the required data type as
needed.  Otherwise there are problems when different plugins want to
specify a different type for the same field.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


For example, another usecase — although not nearly as challenging — would
 be to have a boolean field set via checkbox, even in the default field
 editor that has been made type-aware.






 Apart form doing basic date manipulation as you want, another meaningful
 addition for editing dates would be a date picker.

 Yet another field may provide you with the option to select from a number
 of predefined defaults, etc... etc...

 Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Andreas,
 

 But in practice I think that was a poor decision, and it makes more sense 
 for all fields to be strings and to be parsed to the required data type as 
 needed.  Otherwise there are problems when different plugins want to 
 specify a different type for the same field.


Actually, perhaps not. If I had a widget and tell it to please use field 
foo as date so I can pick a day or do some other mathemagics, there really 
is no need to have some global type declaration, especially for user 
created fields.

As for Andreas' request for certain control buttons, some pointer may be 
found as to the computational magic from *dateChooserPlugin* in MPTW 
http://mgsd.tiddlyspot.com/demo3.html#%5B%5BOkay%20to%20donate%20blood%20again%5D%5D%20dateChooserPlugin%20TitleButtons
.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 Hi Andreas,


Err, the last one was addressing Jeremy. ^^

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[tw] Re: Thanks for the Buttery Goodness - Question about linking images with images in TW5

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
Thanks Tobias and Birthe.

Makes sense about creating an 'add in' to handle nested images.
I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something simple before even 
attempting that, and it has already been attempted and created(woohoo).
I will also check out Dave's work more thoroughly to see if that helps what 
I am trying to do.

In regards to Teaching TW naming them TW1 - TW5 would be silly.  It would 
be better to say TW Part 1 - Beginners or TW Beginners.
I was trying to avoid using Beginners to not alienate Classic TW people 
using TW5 as they(we) are not really beginners even though we are, ;)
So maybe TW5 Level 1 - TW Level 5

I will move my teaching / learning stuff over to the already existing 
thread on that to keep it in one place.

Oh and I agree Google Keep is super simple, that is actually it's strongest 
feature for me.
I wish there was a simple dump command  for specific content.
I did a multi-page TXT document drop from Daedalus on iPad into TW5 and it 
was bullet proof.

Thanks again everyone off to learn more on images and post over in the 
learning thread.

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[tw] TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
Is there a group sharing site based on TW5?
Not a place to put a TW but a place to share Tiddlers?

There is talk on why TW is not bigger and I agree as it is awesome.
I think the main barrier is that TW has a hard time reaching the tipping 
point and going viral.
Viral does not mean long term success but increasing users helps spread the 
uses of TiddlyWiki.

Once you use TW for a while you find it easy and fast, for me it is also 
fun to use.
I ask questions when using other systems like why can't I easily [[link]] 
to other things, and why can't I categorize using TAGS.
TW helps you develop ideas quickly and easily.

The main issue I see to a social TW site is actually too many users 
crashing the server, seriously.
When people can create 3 or 4 TW some private, some public and easily share 
and work with friends it will grow exponentially.

Also by being social people can easily share what they find in the TWverse, 
or is that Tiddlyverse, with friends and family who don't use it.
Tweets like #TW5 @MyFriend - Check out my cool new 'thing' that I found on 
the web at my TW site.

I will troll the board for like minded people on this one, if you see this 
post private msg me or post your thoughts up here.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki Jump Start Challenge

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
That is awesome news Eric.  I will see what I can do to help support the 
project.
For now I am letting everyone know about it.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Not a Manual Post - Still about Learning TW

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
Please support Eric's IndieGoGo
Eric will create something that we can all use everyday.

I started this post after reading other posts and seeing there was no 
recent posts on this subject.
I posted about it on an earlier thread but that thread was not just about 
learning TW.

I learn best by watching videos, following easy to do steps, doing it over 
and over.
So that is my idea of how to teach TiddlyWiki5 to myself and others.

The Goal(s) would be pretty straight forward
1. Create 'Easy to Follow' Instructions built into a TiddlyWiki5
- I like the Follow this Adventure Style but I am open to ideas / 
suggestions
2. Create different levels and build from level to level
- It was suggested to call the levels Beginner, Advanced, Developer
- I was trying to avoid names and go more generic like Level 1 to Level 5, 
this is just personal preference
3. Create videos for each TiddlyWwiki5 Level and also create smaller Videos 
for different parts of the lesson
- It would be cool if we could film the lesson from start to finish so 
people could rewind over an over and over if needed
4. Build in a way to easily spread this to other people so they can learn, 
try, use TiddlyWiki5
- My suggestion was based on the train the trainer models and as you get to 
Level 4 and 5 you start to teach Level 1 and 2
5. Create a way for someone to be 'certified' to help encourage learning / 
teaching and a minimum understanding
- I have a CTS and people see that as a minimum to have an understanding of 
AV Knowledge and it is becoming more required by companies in my area
- By having a way for people to distinguish themselves, TiddlyWiki5 
Certified, TiddlyWiki 5 Developer, TiddlyWiki 5 Architect, you create a way 
for people to grow and expand
- I have no idea how you would actually Certify people and who would do 
that or if this is the best use of time
6. There are several site where you can learn to 'code' and I wonder if we 
could build the lessons on one of them


I know that several people have created tutorials and information for 
TiddlyWiki on the web
http://tiddlertoddler.tiddlyspot.com/
http://quizlet.com/1993476/tiddlywiki-markup-flash-cards/
http://tw5magick.tiddlyspot.com/
http://www.giffmex.org/tw5mall.htm
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/118970/wiki/tw5tribalknowledge.html
I know there are more so point them out - See also the Community Page on 
TiddlyWiki.com

My next step is starting on Level 1 - Beginners - whatever it ends up being 
called
What do you need to learn to start riding the TiddlyWiki 5 bike?

Thanks everyone for all that you do and have done it is awesome.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: Thanks for the Buttery Goodness - Question about linking images with images in TW5

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
Thanks again Tobias
I started new thread on learning TW5 using TW5 as the 'Text Book'

Thanks for the Macro for the images that really helps and works really well.
How would I define the size of the image to be shown onscreen so I could 
create smaller 'gallery' style view that would link to a bigger image.

linkimg Jack.jpg Jack.jpg a kitten pretty

I have tried putting image parameters but they didn't work so I probably 
put them in the wrong spot or maybe I can't do what I am trying to do.

Rich Shumaker

On Monday, November 24, 2014 2:30:46 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Hi Rich,
  

 I wanted to link the small images in the gallery to the big images I 
 imported.


 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Link%20Images
  

 TW1 ... TW5


 I'd make that at least a TW101, TW10X... so that we're not thinking of 
 versions. ;)

 Yes, one could ascribe a level to certain concepts / topics / lessons and 
 then list them accordingly, even have tests around that.

 As for certification, I wonder what authoritative institution should be 
 doing that and for what purpose. ^^
  

 So the goal would be to take the concepts that can come up and decide 'is 
 this easy' or 'is this complicated'
 Rate each concept and then build the levels with all of the concepts 
 divided between levels.


 Yes, that is a sensible approach, but I'd perhaps rather use descriptive 
 titles or categories rather than numbers, e.g.

- Beginner
- Advanced
- Pro
- Dev

 Just because something is complicated doesn't mean it should not be shown 
 in TW1, you just make sure you explain anything complicated very well.


 I think it shouldn't be in 101, but it should certainly link to 10X so as 
 to indicate where to learn more.
  

 Non Linear Learning can be complicated, SO make it easy by leading them 
 along a path.
 Just because it is Non Linear doesn't mean you can create a LINE.
 If someone veers off the line they can EASILY reset the system and start 
 over.


 I think the 101...10X approach is somewhat linear, although the learning 
 itself needs not be.
 What is important is that a user sees what level of expertise is involved 
 in mastering a topic and what is somewhat expected from him at that level.
  

 I have to mention that I just started using Google Keep and I find the 
 combination between TW5 and Google Keep amazing.


 Mhhh, Google Keep does look pretty, sure. But it's quite basic compared 
 to...

- TiddlyWiki
- Trello
- Producteev
- Wunderlist
- ...

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Stephan Hradek


Am Montag, 24. November 2014 18:07:38 UTC+1 schrieb Andreas:

 One question I still have:
 How do I get the resulting date from the variable tag into my field 
 t_duedate?
 (Sorry if this question is to stupid...)


There is no automatic way to do that. You need to either use a button 
and/or the action widget, or maybe, if you want to create a new tiddler, 
use something like my newtiddler widget. 

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[tw] Re: TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread Jed Carty
I like the idea but there are so many ways that tiddlywiki is used that it 
would be difficult to make a collection of generic tiddlers. 

Given a specific use then it could work well. Although it would need a way to 
submit tiddlers that may require a dedicated maintainer. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Or you can write a widget that updates the tiddler on every refresh  Anyway 
he was asking about a button so the action widget should fit his use case. 
Sadly the set field widget is only available in TW5.1.5 prerelease

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[tw] Re: TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread Mat


 Is there a group sharing site based on TW5?

Not a place to put a TW but a place to share Tiddlers?


I don't know if you read it, but in this thread 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/K9O5eBkIuW0 I just 
yesterday laid out a concept that is a bit towards your ideas of social. 
The thread was initially about iframes but it turned into something 
completely different. The two last posts (currently) by me go into this.

Also, Tiddly*Space* was designed to be social in some sense. There is a 
possibility to communicate with eachothers inside tiddlyspace. 
Unfortunately, the interface for communication is IMO just to complex. In 
addition, there's the old ok, I invented the telephone. Now, who do I 
call? Related to viral as you mention. It just takes a critical mass of 
people before it is generally seen as meaningful to participate, and our 
community is pretty small so there aren't that many early adopters for 
things. This is, again, why I think the idea outlined in the above thread 
has potential - the lists I refer to there would build up accumulatively, 
meaning they get better all the time and anyone can join at anytime.

:-)


The main issue I see to a social TW site is actually too many users 
 crashing the server, seriously.
 When people can create 3 or 4 TW some private, some public and easily 
 share and work with friends it will grow exponentially.


Actually, this again reminds me a lot of TiddlySpace.


Also by being social people can easily share what they find in the TWverse, 
 or is that Tiddlyverse, with friends and family who don't use it.
 Tweets like #TW5 @MyFriend - Check out my cool new 'thing' that I found on 
 the web at my TW site.


This gave me an idea that I will post in a while. I'll title it Spreading 
TW to unsuspecting friends or some such.
 
Keep up the unconventional ideas. Crazy ideas are valuable because they 
force people to think in other ways - and this is how good ideas come up!

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Stephan's new journal macro - suppress creator

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer


 When you update your TW, these changes will be lost. If you don't want 
 that, you can do the following:

- create a new tiddler called, for instance, 
$:/_ViewTemplate/subtitle
- copy the content of $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle with the 
changes above
- tag this tiddler with $:/tags/ViewTemplate
- remove the tag $:/tags/ViewTemplate 
from $:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle
- save and reload

 Are core components (still) overwritten upon upgrade?

If not, the procedure now amounts to...

   1. open *$:/core/ui/ViewTemplate/subtitle*
   2. apply changes above
   3. save
   
Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] [TW5] Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki

2014-11-24 Thread Gerald Strickland
So I finally upgraded to the latest TiddlyWiki (5.1.4) from version 5.1.1 
which was a *very* smooth upgrade and noticed the Journal feature. I 
started entering journal entries over the weekend and have enjoyed using 
the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature.

Perhaps it was never intended to be used the way I envisioned using it... 
but for whatever reason I found myself thinking I could create an entirely 
different journal based on whatever tiddler I happen to be on.

For example, if I created a tiddler about my son, and began creating 
journal entries using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this 
one feature then I would this awesome journal/diary about my son that 
are dated accordingly. Then later I create a tiddler about my daughter... I 
also want to keep a journal/diary about her, so I start entering entries 
using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature 
all is well until I find myself entering journal entries for both my son 
and daughter on the same day.

If I created a journal entry about my son in the morning, then later that 
same day attempted to enter a journal entry about my daughter using the 
create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature, then TiddlyWiki 
open my entry on my son which I entered earlier. I can't separate the two.

It would be nice to be able to 'separate' journal entries according to 
topic/tags within a single TiddlyWiki giving it the ability to carry 
multiple journals. I know there's always the option of setting up another 
tiddlywiki file - but I like the idea of having everything in one file.

I understand that there may be various problems trying to achieve 
Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki, for example like tiddlers 
being titled the same (it can't be done), I always wondered if it would be 
possible to have same titles co-exist by using different tags or different 
tag combinations to differentiate them - just toying with ideas here.

Any thoughts?

p.s. I'm really enjoying the latest TiddlyWiki version, thanks to all 
involved.

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[tw] Spreading TW to an unsuspecting world! MWOA-HA-HAAA!

2014-11-24 Thread Mat
Free associations... 

Use TW to make, eg. spectacular christmas cards or other complex documents, 
for lack of a better term. No tiddlers that are irrelevant for the reciver 
are accessible. A very limited TW. How is this different form an email or a 
word document? Because with TW can send a christmas card that has, say, 
three hyperlinked pages (tiddlers!) that embed, say, a youtube video with 
you greeting them, another tiddler with a poem, another where they can tick 
of things in the kids wishlist,  another where ...whatever crazy stuff TW 
can do.

The unsuspecting non-tiddlywikian, thinks it's just a very cool thing 
you've somehow put togehter. Little do they know it's a TW where almost 
everything is hidden! No sidebar, no search - and no tiddler title unless 
necessary, for sure no visible tags or toolbar. Perhaps a theme where 
tiddlers have no frames so the text or whatever is shown seems to be it and 
all. 

...but of course, there could be a little innocent shadow of a cat that 
says Powered by TiddlyWiki for those analytically minded who actually 
want to know.

The next PM you send out to the others at your work place doesn't have to 
be a word document. It can be a wow, some kind of hyperlinked page where 
you can jumpt to only the interesting stuff. Using sliders to get really 
consice texts but with the possibility to dive deeper for anyone 
interested. Hupp, a table of contents made from... are those links!? Hm, is 
that embedded music thing with Workin' 9 to 5 supposed to inspire us?

Jeremys latest(?) video uses, I believe, the Cecily theme for a 
presentation that you can barely believe is TW. You click a thing and stuff 
zoom in and move around, but in a defined sequence. Takes the viewer along 
for a ride really.

Have your unsuspecting friend draw a monkey face for a competition 
[drawing feature in TW5]... he clicks a button and a body appears under his 
drawing with his name on the t-shirt. Maybe possible by transcluding it to 
above another tiddler with the body drawing.

What's this file titled Cooking with Mat? Hm, it's a recipe... but with 
some kind of links in it, whoa that chefs hat sure looks stupid on him... 
And look, links for Spicy version, Mild version and Just right version 
Whats this - to do while waiting for the oven to get hot.. Game of Zork- 
what?? (Hey, look, there's [a picture of] me and I'm in some maze supposed 
to find a key! Or how about forcing them to figure out the game to get 
some necessary information in the recipe?

Why? For fun. But also for spreading TW.

Maybe there could be ready made templates for this? We have an ever 
expanding collection of Magic Christmas Card templates, made in TW with 
predefined format, some static background images and some empty frames for 
personal images. Or other greeting cards. Collections of recipe TW's. Mini 
TW templates Categorized collections on, perhaps, tw.com (better be 
good then!) 

By the way, this latter idea (templates) is one example of what I refer to 
as content and topics in TW's in this thread 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/K9O5eBkIuW0 where I, 
with the help of Tobias, outline another concept. Note, it's not the 
iframes ideas that are relevant here (altho that really is interesting - 
check out Tobias creations!) but it is the bit about lists and meta 
data a few posts down. Or, maybe iframes woudl be perfect here? It could 
be a window to wherever you want. Some site you update? Again, wish lists 
where they can see what is left to buy? Or a Halloween card made to scare 
the sh't out of people; an iframe to a secret camera you've placed in their 
kitchen where they are likely to read the card and see themselves!! (Yes, I 
have friends, why are you asking?)
But, as I said, the thread there shifts over to another idea. I may go a 
bit banans towards the end, but it was late and I was tired. Besides, I 
like bananas.

Obviously all part of the TiddlyWiki bigger than Google within 6 months 
license agreement you signed when downloading TW.


:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki

2014-11-24 Thread HansWobbe
It's quite effective and relatively easy to do, which become evident if you 
open one up and see that its basically just a tagged $list.  Of you have 
questions or want guidance, just ask.

On Monday, November 24, 2014 6:29:04 PM UTC-5, Gerald Strickland wrote:

 So I finally upgraded to the latest TiddlyWiki (5.1.4) from version 5.1.1 
 which was a *very* smooth upgrade and noticed the Journal feature. I 
 started entering journal entries over the weekend and have enjoyed using 
 the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature.

 Perhaps it was never intended to be used the way I envisioned using it... 
 but for whatever reason I found myself thinking I could create an entirely 
 different journal based on whatever tiddler I happen to be on.

 For example, if I created a tiddler about my son, and began creating 
 journal entries using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this 
 one feature then I would this awesome journal/diary about my son that 
 are dated accordingly. Then later I create a tiddler about my daughter... I 
 also want to keep a journal/diary about her, so I start entering entries 
 using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature 
 all is well until I find myself entering journal entries for both my son 
 and daughter on the same day.

 If I created a journal entry about my son in the morning, then later that 
 same day attempted to enter a journal entry about my daughter using the 
 create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature, then TiddlyWiki 
 open my entry on my son which I entered earlier. I can't separate the two.

 It would be nice to be able to 'separate' journal entries according to 
 topic/tags within a single TiddlyWiki giving it the ability to carry 
 multiple journals. I know there's always the option of setting up another 
 tiddlywiki file - but I like the idea of having everything in one file.

 I understand that there may be various problems trying to achieve 
 Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki, for example like tiddlers 
 being titled the same (it can't be done), I always wondered if it would be 
 possible to have same titles co-exist by using different tags or different 
 tag combinations to differentiate them - just toying with ideas here.

 Any thoughts?

 p.s. I'm really enjoying the latest TiddlyWiki version, thanks to all 
 involved.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki

2014-11-24 Thread HansWobbe
It's quite effective and relatively easy to do, which become evident if you 
open one up and see that its basically just a tagged $list.  Of you have 
questions or want guidance, just ask.

Regards,
Hans


 Any thoughts?



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[tw] Re: [TW5] NameSpaceWidget — Drawing Board

2014-11-24 Thread Mat
I have no opinion or understanding of which is better from Tobias or 
Jeremys suggestions, but I do find the whole namespace idea very 
interesting. As we know, many technical books or manuals have chapter names 
like
Ch. 5.2.3 How to foobar. 

For anyone who want's a very quick intro to what Tobias plugin does, I 
would rather suggest looking at e.g this tiddler:

2013.01 
http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]
: 
http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]
Articles 
http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]
: 
http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]How
 
we landed on the moon 
http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]

... and notice how the one title, which is all of above, really is multiple 
links. The plugin does more, as Tobias explains there, but for a very quick 
intro this shows the gist IMO.

:-)

On Sunday, November 23, 2014 7:03:50 PM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I was playing 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/MleQ4GNCqt0/kRza5-hqiFsJ 
 with pseudo-sections http://sections.tiddlyspot.com that follow simple 
 naming conventions, e.g.:

- El Libro
- El Libro / Capitulo 01
- El Libro / Capitulo 01 / 001
- El Libro / Capitulo 02
- El Libro / Capitulo 02 / Notes

 This reminded me an awful lot of what I did some time ago for TWc, namely 
 this fairly underdocumented goodie...

 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#Explore 
 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#Explore%202013.01%3AArticles%20%5B%5B2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon%5D%5D%20%5B%5B2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20white%20is%20snow%3F%5D%5D%20SiteInfo

 So, now I am thinking I'd like to officially make this my first TW5 plugn 
 project
 and turn all that into a *$namespace* widget.

 Here's the rough concept...
 (keep the kind of things in mind that you see in the tiddlyspace above)


 http://namespace.tiddlyspot.com/#NameSpaceWidget:NameSpaceWidget%20GettingStarted

 Now, I didn't start any development yet, so I'm inclined to ask you for 
 some preliminary feedback on the design idea.

 Also, for Jeremy and others with some TW5 coding experience, please be so 
 kind and give me some pointers for...

- skeletons to start from
- reference implementations that might be relevant
- utilities and components that I might need
- specific core knowledge that I might want to read up on
- conventions to follow

 All of this will surely be an evolutionary process... so, if you feel like 
 you can, please help me start on a solid foundation.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
Thanks Jed and Mat,

My idea is pretty simple but complicated to explain as I have tried twice 
already and it was too 'technical' to see what I was thinking about.

So I am going to do an elevator pitch to Angel Investors instead.
[[My Awesome TiddlyWiki Site(TM)]] allows people to share Tiddlers.
What's a Tiddler?
A Tiddler is a single idea that can have pictures, words, sounds, and 
video, basically anything you can think of can be a Tiddler.
You have heard of Wikipedia right? Well a Tiddler is just like a Wikipedia 
page.

The cool thing is that you can share that Tiddler with your friends, 
family, and the world.
Also you can create your own TiddlyWiki's which are where you store your 
Tiddlers.
So if you like Bass Fishing you can have a whole TiddlyWiki on Bass Fishing.

Now for the really awesome part.
You find someone else who likes Bass Fishing and you can 'Grab a Tiddler' 
from them.
Or if you like a Tiddler(Yours or Others) you can 'Share' it on Social 
Media just like any Article from the NY Times to YouTube Videos.
Tweet that Tiddler to the World if you want.

So instead of 'Pinning' things or 'Liking' things you can 'Tiddler' things.

That is the end of the pitch.
Let me know what you think about the pitch.

I was not trying to work out the bugs and kinks of the technical details 
needed to make this happen.
I just see an opportunity for TW5 to fill a Social Need that goes beyond 
Pinning and Liking.
What would be cool would be to see how people expand on an idea you have as 
you can 'Change the Tiddler' once you grab it.

Right now in Social Media it is very SnapShot.  You take a picture of 
something and Pin or Like it, you don't expand on it.
TiddlyWiki gives you the ability to expand and allows for excellent 
feedback loops.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki

2014-11-24 Thread Birthe C
Hi Geral Strickland
You can change the title of journal tiddlers. It is done in the control 
panel. The default title is DDth MMM , you can change that to include 
time. It is explained here: 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20journal%20tiddlers. You will not be able 
to save two tiddlers at exactly the same time so they will have different 
titles. With sons journals tagged son and daughter journals tagged daughter 
it should be easy to separate them.

Birthe


Den tirsdag den 25. november 2014 00.29.04 UTC+1 skrev Gerald Strickland:

 So I finally upgraded to the latest TiddlyWiki (5.1.4) from version 5.1.1 
 which was a *very* smooth upgrade and noticed the Journal feature. I 
 started entering journal entries over the weekend and have enjoyed using 
 the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature.

 Perhaps it was never intended to be used the way I envisioned using it... 
 but for whatever reason I found myself thinking I could create an entirely 
 different journal based on whatever tiddler I happen to be on.

 For example, if I created a tiddler about my son, and began creating 
 journal entries using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this 
 one feature then I would this awesome journal/diary about my son that 
 are dated accordingly. Then later I create a tiddler about my daughter... I 
 also want to keep a journal/diary about her, so I start entering entries 
 using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature 
 all is well until I find myself entering journal entries for both my son 
 and daughter on the same day.

 If I created a journal entry about my son in the morning, then later that 
 same day attempted to enter a journal entry about my daughter using the 
 create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature, then TiddlyWiki 
 open my entry on my son which I entered earlier. I can't separate the two.

 It would be nice to be able to 'separate' journal entries according to 
 topic/tags within a single TiddlyWiki giving it the ability to carry 
 multiple journals. I know there's always the option of setting up another 
 tiddlywiki file - but I like the idea of having everything in one file.

 I understand that there may be various problems trying to achieve 
 Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki, for example like tiddlers 
 being titled the same (it can't be done), I always wondered if it would be 
 possible to have same titles co-exist by using different tags or different 
 tag combinations to differentiate them - just toying with ideas here.

 Any thoughts?

 p.s. I'm really enjoying the latest TiddlyWiki version, thanks to all 
 involved.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki

2014-11-24 Thread Gerald Strickland
Perfect! Adding time to the title will definitely work. Thanks for pointing 
this out.

On Monday, November 24, 2014 4:07:46 PM UTC-8, Birthe C wrote:

 Hi Geral Strickland
 You can change the title of journal tiddlers. It is done in the control 
 panel. The default title is DDth MMM , you can change that to include 
 time. It is explained here: 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#Creating%20journal%20tiddlers. You will not be 
 able to save two tiddlers at exactly the same time so they will have 
 different titles. With sons journals tagged son and daughter journals 
 tagged daughter it should be easy to separate them.

 Birthe


 Den tirsdag den 25. november 2014 00.29.04 UTC+1 skrev Gerald Strickland:

 So I finally upgraded to the latest TiddlyWiki (5.1.4) from version 5.1.1 
 which was a *very* smooth upgrade and noticed the Journal feature. I 
 started entering journal entries over the weekend and have enjoyed using 
 the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature.

 Perhaps it was never intended to be used the way I envisioned using it... 
 but for whatever reason I found myself thinking I could create an entirely 
 different journal based on whatever tiddler I happen to be on.

 For example, if I created a tiddler about my son, and began creating 
 journal entries using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this 
 one feature then I would this awesome journal/diary about my son that 
 are dated accordingly. Then later I create a tiddler about my daughter... I 
 also want to keep a journal/diary about her, so I start entering entries 
 using the create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature 
 all is well until I find myself entering journal entries for both my son 
 and daughter on the same day.

 If I created a journal entry about my son in the morning, then later that 
 same day attempted to enter a journal entry about my daughter using the 
 create a new journal tiddly tagged with this one feature, then TiddlyWiki 
 open my entry on my son which I entered earlier. I can't separate the two.

 It would be nice to be able to 'separate' journal entries according to 
 topic/tags within a single TiddlyWiki giving it the ability to carry 
 multiple journals. I know there's always the option of setting up another 
 tiddlywiki file - but I like the idea of having everything in one file.

 I understand that there may be various problems trying to achieve 
 Different Journals in a single TiddlyWiki, for example like tiddlers 
 being titled the same (it can't be done), I always wondered if it would be 
 possible to have same titles co-exist by using different tags or different 
 tag combinations to differentiate them - just toying with ideas here.

 Any thoughts?

 p.s. I'm really enjoying the latest TiddlyWiki version, thanks to all 
 involved.



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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread Erwan


Hi Rich,

I understand your desire to make TW5 go viral, but I'm afraid I have to 
disagree on the timing: in my opinion we shouldn't rush into that, 
because currently the documentation is not very user-friendly, and 
Jeremy is still working on various things that will make TW even 
greater. This is why I think that a viral wave arriving too soon would 
be a bad thing: a lot of people would discard it because it's 
unfinished, because it doesn't have a variety of nice themes to propose, 
because of the lacks in the documentation... and once they would have 
made their mind they would probably never come back, even if eventually 
TW5 would have fulfilled their dreams ;)


Regards
Erwan



On 25/11/14 00:04, RichShumaker wrote:

Thanks Jed and Mat,

My idea is pretty simple but complicated to explain as I have tried 
twice already and it was too 'technical' to see what I was thinking about.


So I am going to do an elevator pitch to Angel Investors instead.
[[My Awesome TiddlyWiki Site(TM)]] allows people to share Tiddlers.
What's a Tiddler?
A Tiddler is a single idea that can have pictures, words, sounds, and 
video, basically anything you can think of can be a Tiddler.
You have heard of Wikipedia right? Well a Tiddler is just like a 
Wikipedia page.


The cool thing is that you can share that Tiddler with your friends, 
family, and the world.
Also you can create your own TiddlyWiki's which are where you store 
your Tiddlers.
So if you like Bass Fishing you can have a whole TiddlyWiki on Bass 
Fishing.


Now for the really awesome part.
You find someone else who likes Bass Fishing and you can 'Grab a 
Tiddler' from them.
Or if you like a Tiddler(Yours or Others) you can 'Share' it on Social 
Media just like any Article from the NY Times to YouTube Videos.

Tweet that Tiddler to the World if you want.

So instead of 'Pinning' things or 'Liking' things you can 'Tiddler' 
things.


That is the end of the pitch.
Let me know what you think about the pitch.

I was not trying to work out the bugs and kinks of the technical 
details needed to make this happen.
I just see an opportunity for TW5 to fill a Social Need that goes 
beyond Pinning and Liking.
What would be cool would be to see how people expand on an idea you 
have as you can 'Change the Tiddler' once you grab it.


Right now in Social Media it is very SnapShot.  You take a picture of 
something and Pin or Like it, you don't expand on it.
TiddlyWiki gives you the ability to expand and allows for excellent 
feedback loops.

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
Thanks Erwan for your reply.

If I could make something go viral I would have done it with Tiddlywiki 
almost a decade ago.
I have always used it as an individual and have told everyone I can about 
it as it is one of the most useful things I have ever used.
It is amazing and thanks again Jeremy for spending your time on it for all 
these years.

In regards to needing more time for documentation, coding, creating new and 
better features, I don't disagree.
That doesn't mean we don't work on creating the next level of awareness.
Ask your neighbor if he knows what TiddlyWiki is, and then ask him if he 
Tweets.

The goal of this thread was not to make TW5 viral, it is to make TW5 social.
I feel once TW5 is social it would go viral quickly after that.
By social I mean, Share My Tiddler, Help me with My Tiddler, Show me your 
TiddlyWiki Tiddlers.

That is why I asked if TW5 has adopted any existing social linking like @ 
and # in another post.
TiddlyWiki has had # before there were #.

So if we had all the features we wanted.
If we had all the documentation we wanted.
We had all the things we wanted in TiddlyWiki.

What would you do next?
For me, as a long time user, TiddlyWiki has no social presence and I think 
it would become a whole new boatload of awesome if it did.
Not Web Presence but TiddlyWiki the best notebook you don't own, could be 
the best social notebook that nobody owns.

I still think it will crash servers as people will love using it, #heheh.

Rich Shumaker

On Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57:19 PM UTC-8, Erwan wrote:

  
 Hi Rich,

 I understand your desire to make TW5 go viral, but I'm afraid I have to 
 disagree on the timing: in my opinion we shouldn't rush into that, because 
 currently the documentation is not very user-friendly, and Jeremy is still 
 working on various things that will make TW even greater. This is why I 
 think that a viral wave arriving too soon would be a bad thing: a lot of 
 people would discard it because it's unfinished, because it doesn't have a 
 variety of nice themes to propose, because of the lacks in the 
 documentation... and once they would have made their mind they would 
 probably never come back, even if eventually TW5 would have fulfilled their 
 dreams ;)

 Regards
 Erwan



 On 25/11/14 00:04, RichShumaker wrote:
  
  Thanks Jed and Mat,

  My idea is pretty simple but complicated to explain as I have tried 
 twice already and it was too 'technical' to see what I was thinking about.

  So I am going to do an elevator pitch to Angel Investors instead.
 [[My Awesome TiddlyWiki Site(TM)]] allows people to share Tiddlers.
 What's a Tiddler?
 A Tiddler is a single idea that can have pictures, words, sounds, and 
 video, basically anything you can think of can be a Tiddler.
 You have heard of Wikipedia right? Well a Tiddler is just like a Wikipedia 
 page.

  The cool thing is that you can share that Tiddler with your friends, 
 family, and the world.
 Also you can create your own TiddlyWiki's which are where you store your 
 Tiddlers.
 So if you like Bass Fishing you can have a whole TiddlyWiki on Bass 
 Fishing.

  Now for the really awesome part.
 You find someone else who likes Bass Fishing and you can 'Grab a Tiddler' 
 from them.
 Or if you like a Tiddler(Yours or Others) you can 'Share' it on Social 
 Media just like any Article from the NY Times to YouTube Videos.
 Tweet that Tiddler to the World if you want.

  So instead of 'Pinning' things or 'Liking' things you can 'Tiddler' 
 things.

  That is the end of the pitch.
 Let me know what you think about the pitch.

  I was not trying to work out the bugs and kinks of the technical details 
 needed to make this happen.
 I just see an opportunity for TW5 to fill a Social Need that goes beyond 
 Pinning and Liking.
 What would be cool would be to see how people expand on an idea you have 
 as you can 'Change the Tiddler' once you grab it.

  Right now in Social Media it is very SnapShot.  You take a picture of 
 something and Pin or Like it, you don't expand on it.
 TiddlyWiki gives you the ability to expand and allows for excellent 
 feedback loops.
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[tw] Re: Spreading TW to an unsuspecting world! MWOA-HA-HAAA!

2014-11-24 Thread RichShumaker
I created something I called the Dream Machine, a machine to help you reach 
your dreams.
I was using something called Blast Wiki and needed a real multimedia 
notebook.

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE and in walked TiddlyWiki.

I love the stealth idea of creating knowledge and letting or sending it to 
people wrapped in a TiddlyWiki wrapper.
Here is my recipe, oh and I included everything you need to know about 
making this crazy recipe.

Rich Shumaker

On Monday, November 24, 2014 3:31:39 PM UTC-8, Mat wrote:

 Free associations... 

 Use TW to make, eg. spectacular christmas cards or other complex 
 documents, for lack of a better term. No tiddlers that are irrelevant for 
 the reciver are accessible. A very limited TW. How is this different form 
 an email or a word document? Because with TW can send a christmas card that 
 has, say, three hyperlinked pages (tiddlers!) that embed, say, a youtube 
 video with you greeting them, another tiddler with a poem, another where 
 they can tick of things in the kids wishlist,  another where ...whatever 
 crazy stuff TW can do.

 The unsuspecting non-tiddlywikian, thinks it's just a very cool thing 
 you've somehow put togehter. Little do they know it's a TW where almost 
 everything is hidden! No sidebar, no search - and no tiddler title unless 
 necessary, for sure no visible tags or toolbar. Perhaps a theme where 
 tiddlers have no frames so the text or whatever is shown seems to be it and 
 all. 

 ...but of course, there could be a little innocent shadow of a cat that 
 says Powered by TiddlyWiki for those analytically minded who actually 
 want to know.

 The next PM you send out to the others at your work place doesn't have to 
 be a word document. It can be a wow, some kind of hyperlinked page where 
 you can jumpt to only the interesting stuff. Using sliders to get really 
 consice texts but with the possibility to dive deeper for anyone 
 interested. Hupp, a table of contents made from... are those links!? Hm, is 
 that embedded music thing with Workin' 9 to 5 supposed to inspire us?

 Jeremys latest(?) video uses, I believe, the Cecily theme for a 
 presentation that you can barely believe is TW. You click a thing and stuff 
 zoom in and move around, but in a defined sequence. Takes the viewer along 
 for a ride really.

 Have your unsuspecting friend draw a monkey face for a competition 
 [drawing feature in TW5]... he clicks a button and a body appears under his 
 drawing with his name on the t-shirt. Maybe possible by transcluding it to 
 above another tiddler with the body drawing.

 What's this file titled Cooking with Mat? Hm, it's a recipe... but with 
 some kind of links in it, whoa that chefs hat sure looks stupid on him... 
 And look, links for Spicy version, Mild version and Just right version 
 Whats this - to do while waiting for the oven to get hot.. Game of Zork- 
 what?? (Hey, look, there's [a picture of] me and I'm in some maze supposed 
 to find a key! Or how about forcing them to figure out the game to get 
 some necessary information in the recipe?

 Why? For fun. But also for spreading TW.

 Maybe there could be ready made templates for this? We have an ever 
 expanding collection of Magic Christmas Card templates, made in TW with 
 predefined format, some static background images and some empty frames for 
 personal images. Or other greeting cards. Collections of recipe TW's. Mini 
 TW templates Categorized collections on, perhaps, tw.com (better be 
 good then!) 

 By the way, this latter idea (templates) is one example of what I refer to 
 as content and topics in TW's in this thread 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/K9O5eBkIuW0 where I, 
 with the help of Tobias, outline another concept. Note, it's not the 
 iframes ideas that are relevant here (altho that really is interesting - 
 check out Tobias creations!) but it is the bit about lists and meta 
 data a few posts down. Or, maybe iframes woudl be perfect here? It could 
 be a window to wherever you want. Some site you update? Again, wish lists 
 where they can see what is left to buy? Or a Halloween card made to scare 
 the sh't out of people; an iframe to a secret camera you've placed in their 
 kitchen where they are likely to read the card and see themselves!! (Yes, I 
 have friends, why are you asking?)
 But, as I said, the thread there shifts over to another idea. I may go a 
 bit banans towards the end, but it was late and I was tired. Besides, I 
 like bananas.

 Obviously all part of the TiddlyWiki bigger than Google within 6 months 
 license agreement you signed when downloading TW.


 :-)



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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 Social

2014-11-24 Thread Daniel Baird
Although it's not quite on topic any more:

I found TiddlyWiki when Nathan Bowers' GTDTiddlyWiki adaptation (this was
before plugins -- yes kids, I'm that old) got covered by Lifehacker in this
article:
http://lifehacker.com/210354/get-organized-with-gtdtiddlywiki

I think a lot of interest in TW came from that Lifehacker story and its GTD
connection.  At the time I didn't give a crap about GTD but was super
interested in TW.  It was months later before Simon and I got involved with
GTD, and Simon started making what would become MonkeyGTD, then mGSD.

Anyway the lessons there for winning new users are maybe:

- find a clear, real-world use case (or more than one) and show how TW
satisfies that use
- approach blogs and review sites and ask for coverage, or even better
write a story yourself and ask blog/review sites to publish it or adapt it
- go to the trouble to do pretty screenshots, and be MUCH less technical
than you want to be

And to return to the topic: Even having a share-a-tiddler feature isn't a
usecase, it's just a feature.  You'd have to show how it makes activity X
awesome / possible / fun / useful.


Cheers
D


On 25 November 2014 at 11:53, RichShumaker richshuma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Erwan for your reply.

 If I could make something go viral I would have done it with Tiddlywiki
 almost a decade ago.
 I have always used it as an individual and have told everyone I can about
 it as it is one of the most useful things I have ever used.
 It is amazing and thanks again Jeremy for spending your time on it for all
 these years.

 In regards to needing more time for documentation, coding, creating new
 and better features, I don't disagree.
 That doesn't mean we don't work on creating the next level of awareness.
 Ask your neighbor if he knows what TiddlyWiki is, and then ask him if he
 Tweets.

 The goal of this thread was not to make TW5 viral, it is to make TW5
 social.
 I feel once TW5 is social it would go viral quickly after that.
 By social I mean, Share My Tiddler, Help me with My Tiddler, Show me your
 TiddlyWiki Tiddlers.

 That is why I asked if TW5 has adopted any existing social linking like @
 and # in another post.
 TiddlyWiki has had # before there were #.

 So if we had all the features we wanted.
 If we had all the documentation we wanted.
 We had all the things we wanted in TiddlyWiki.

 What would you do next?
 For me, as a long time user, TiddlyWiki has no social presence and I think
 it would become a whole new boatload of awesome if it did.
 Not Web Presence but TiddlyWiki the best notebook you don't own, could be
 the best social notebook that nobody owns.

 I still think it will crash servers as people will love using it, #heheh.

 Rich Shumaker

 On Monday, November 24, 2014 4:57:19 PM UTC-8, Erwan wrote:


 Hi Rich,

 I understand your desire to make TW5 go viral, but I'm afraid I have to
 disagree on the timing: in my opinion we shouldn't rush into that, because
 currently the documentation is not very user-friendly, and Jeremy is still
 working on various things that will make TW even greater. This is why I
 think that a viral wave arriving too soon would be a bad thing: a lot of
 people would discard it because it's unfinished, because it doesn't have a
 variety of nice themes to propose, because of the lacks in the
 documentation... and once they would have made their mind they would
 probably never come back, even if eventually TW5 would have fulfilled their
 dreams ;)

 Regards
 Erwan



 On 25/11/14 00:04, RichShumaker wrote:

  Thanks Jed and Mat,

  My idea is pretty simple but complicated to explain as I have tried
 twice already and it was too 'technical' to see what I was thinking about.

  So I am going to do an elevator pitch to Angel Investors instead.
 [[My Awesome TiddlyWiki Site(TM)]] allows people to share Tiddlers.
 What's a Tiddler?
 A Tiddler is a single idea that can have pictures, words, sounds, and
 video, basically anything you can think of can be a Tiddler.
 You have heard of Wikipedia right? Well a Tiddler is just like a
 Wikipedia page.

  The cool thing is that you can share that Tiddler with your friends,
 family, and the world.
 Also you can create your own TiddlyWiki's which are where you store your
 Tiddlers.
 So if you like Bass Fishing you can have a whole TiddlyWiki on Bass
 Fishing.

  Now for the really awesome part.
 You find someone else who likes Bass Fishing and you can 'Grab a Tiddler'
 from them.
 Or if you like a Tiddler(Yours or Others) you can 'Share' it on Social
 Media just like any Article from the NY Times to YouTube Videos.
 Tweet that Tiddler to the World if you want.

  So instead of 'Pinning' things or 'Liking' things you can 'Tiddler'
 things.

  That is the end of the pitch.
 Let me know what you think about the pitch.

  I was not trying to work out the bugs and kinks of the technical
 details needed to make this happen.
 I just see an opportunity for TW5 to fill a Social Need that goes beyond
 Pinning and 

[tw] Re: Thanks for the Buttery Goodness - Question about linking images with images in TW5

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Rich,
 

 How would I define the size of the image to be shown onscreen so I could 
 create smaller 'gallery' style view that would link to a bigger image.

 linkimg Jack.jpg Jack.jpg a kitten pretty

 In general, if you are pursuing an actual gallery, thus perhaps using 
$list to generate these as gallery-thumbs, I suggest you do make use of 
that css class and a tiddler tagged $:/tags/Stylesheet 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Custom%20Stylesheets.

Nonetheless, for completeness sake, I have added the width parameter to the 
possible parameters of the linkimg macro...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Link%20Images

I have tried putting image parameters but they didn't work so I probably 
 put them in the wrong spot or maybe I can't do what I am trying to do.


I'm sure, with the changes you'll see in the updated version, there'll be 
that click. ^^

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] NameSpaceWidget — Drawing Board

2014-11-24 Thread Tobias Beer



 2013.01 
 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]
 : 
 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]
 Articles 
 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]
 : 
 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]How
  
 we landed on the moon 
 http://namespace.tiddlyspace.com/#[[2013.01%3AArticles%3AHow%20we%20landed%20on%20the%20moon]]

 ... and notice how the one title, which is all of above, really is 
 multiple links. The plugin does more, as Tobias explains there, but for a 
 very quick intro this shows the gist IMO.


Try hovering the title using the CTRL key ;)

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Button to add 1 or 7 days to a date

2014-11-24 Thread cmari
I'm sure others could do this far more efficiently, but in case it helps, 
here's a minimalist version of what I cobbled together using both the 
dateTime macro and Matabele's mangletags and setfield widgets 
(http://gwiz.tiddlyspot.com/#Widgets%20for%20Buttons:[[Widgets%20for%20Buttons]]).
 


In order to make this work, the tiddler needs to have three fields:
-repeattype (with a value of months or days, e.g., 1M, 2D, 7D, etc.)
-duedate (with a value formatted without hyphens, e.g., 20141124)
-due-date (with a value formatted with hyphens, e.g., 2014-11-24. This one 
isn't actually essential, but allows the date to be displayed in the 
tiddler.  Note that changes to this date don't affect the duedate, but 
clicking the update button will re-align this date with the duedate).
I couldn't figure out how to avoid the two date versions for my purposes, 
but at least you only need to set them up once.

The tiddler text (which can also be used in transclusion in any other 
tiddler that contains the three fields):

\define nextdeadline(duedate,repeattype)
dateTime -0MM-0DD $(duedate)$ $(repeattype)$
\end

\define nextunformatteddeadline(duedate,repeattype)
dateTime 0MM0DD $(duedate)$ $(repeattype)$
\end

\define updatefields1(to, add2,add4, add5)

$setfield set=$to$!!due-date setTo=$(add4)$ 
$setfield set=$to$!!duedate setTo=$(add5)$
$mangletags message=tm-set-field$button  message=tm-mangle-tags
update/$button/$mangletags/$setfield/$setfield
\end

\define updatefields2()
$macrocall $name=updatefields1 to={{!!title}}  add2=dateTime 
-0MM-0DD 
\end

$set name=duedate value={{!!duedate}}
$set name=repeattype value={{!!repeattype}}
$set name=add4 value=nextdeadline 
$set name=add5 value=nextunformatteddeadline 

$edit-text tiddler={{!!title}} field=due-date type=date tag=input/
$edit-text

$list filter=[all[current]]updatefields2/$list
/$set
/$set
/$set
/$set






cmari

On Monday, November 24, 2014 9:07:38 AM UTC-8, Andreas wrote:

 Hi cmari,

 the dateTime module could be what I was searching for - thanks for this.

 The usage is described like this:
 The variable tag hold the current date.
 $set name=tag value=dateTime DD-MMM

 One question I still have:
 How do I get the resulting date from the variable tag into my field 
 t_duedate?
 (Sorry if this question is to stupid...)

 Andreas



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[tw] [TW5] New widget to accumulate values inside of list loop (alpha, or something)

2014-11-24 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki


This widget allows you to sum values within a list.Well, at least it did 
for me. From time to time.

*DISCLAIMER*: It is experimental so be sure to back up your Tiddlywiki. Use 
at your own risk! 

It requires a little bit more of the user. The user needs to provide three 
instances of the widget: 


   1. One before the LIST using action=init and a value to initialize 
   counting (e.g. value=0)

 
   1. One inside the LIST using action=sum and a value to be accumulated 
   (e.g. value={{!!payment}} )
   
 
   1. One outside the LIST using action=show or save. If values are to 
   be saved then a tiddler and a field need to be assigned (e.g. 
   tiddler=Totals field=totals) Using show with a tiddler and a field 
   will both show the result and save it to the specified tiddler/field.

 Each instance must also share an id that is unique throughout the 
TiddlyWiki. The id is set with addid=YourUniqueId. 

Other *anomalies*. After running, the Save icon will indicate that you 
need to save the TiddlyWiki. You must Save if you want the results of 
summation to be saved. If the tiddler that you are saving to is not open 
when the widget is run, then you probably will not be able to open it until 
the tiddler with the widget is closed. The workaround is to open the 
tiddler that saves the results before running the tiddler with the 
summation widget. 

*Meta*: There was an easier way that I could have written this that would 
have just summed all the fields based on the current filter, but I wanted 
the flexibility of sending any value to the ADD widget. 

*Meta meta*: This took way too long to do! And I only tested on the version 
I happened to be running because I need to get back to other things.

*Future*: It would be nice if it formatted the output. I guess it depends 
on how well received it is.


*Example of usage*: 
$*add* action=*init* value=0 addid=test1 /

$list filter=[tag[Addme]]
{{!!title}} {{!!payment}}br/
$*add* addid=test1 action=*sum* value={{!!payment}} 
/$list
Total was: $*add* addid=test1 action=*show* tiddler=Totals 
field=totals /

*CODE:*


/*\
title: $:/core/modules/widgets/add.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: widget

Accumulate values into specified variable.

\*/
(function(){

/*jslint node: true, browser: true */
/*global $tw: false */
use strict;

var Widget = require($:/core/modules/widgets/widget.js).widget;

var AddWidget = function(parseTreeNode,options) {

this.initialise(parseTreeNode,options);
};

/*
Inherit from the base widget class
*/
AddWidget.prototype = new Widget();

/*
Render this widget into the DOM when necessary
*/

AddWidget.prototype.render = function(parent,nextSibling) {
this.parentDomNode = parent;
this.siblingDomNode = nextSibling;
this.computeAttributes();
this.execute();
// Only need to render if action is PUT
if(this.addAction==show) {
var textNode = 
this.document.createTextNode(this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId]);
parent.insertBefore(textNode,nextSibling);
this.domNodes.push(textNode);
this.putval(this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId]) ;
}
if(this.addAction==save) this.putval(this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId]) ;
};


/*
Get essential attributes
*/
AddWidget.prototype.getKeyAttribs = function() {
   this.addAction = this.getAttribute(action,oops).toLowerCase() ; // 
can be init,sum or put
this.addField = this.getAttribute(field,text);
this.setValue = this.getAttribute(value);
this.addTitle = this.getAttribute(tiddler,);
this.addId = this.getAttribute(addid,DEFAULT).toLowerCase() ;
} ;

/*
Compute the internal state of the widget
*/
AddWidget.prototype.execute = function() {
// Get our parameters
this.getKeyAttribs() ;
 
//Set up global variable holder masAdder if never used
if (typeof this.wiki.masAdder != 'undefined') {
// OK
} else {
this.wiki.masAdder = {} ;
}
// Initialize to zero if masAdder never used for this ID
if(! this.wiki.masAdder.hasOwnProperty(this.addId)) 
this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId] = 0 ;


switch(this.addAction) {
case oops :
// Probably it would be good to send a signal
break;
case init :
this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId] = this.setValue ;
break;
case sum :
if(this.setValue) {
this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId] = 
(Number(this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId]) + 
 Number(this.setValue)).toString() ;
}
break ;
case show :
case save :
//this.putval(this.wiki.masAdder[this.addId]) ;
break ;
}


//this.makeChildWidgets();

};

AddWidget.prototype.putval = function(value) {
if(! this.addTitle) return ; 
var tiddler = this.wiki.getTiddler(this.addTitle);
var updateFields = {title: this.addTitle};
updateFields[this.addField] = value.toString() ;
this.wiki.addTiddler(new 
$tw.Tiddler(this.wiki.getCreationFields(),tiddler,updateFields,this.wiki.getModificationFields()
 
));
};

/*
Selectively refreshes the widget if needed. Returns true if