[tw] Re: [TW5] Using TW for CRM?

[Andrew Myers]

Tristan,

If you use email, you can contact us at tiddly...@gmail.com. I know the 
push notifications would help me, at least, with prompt response times.

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 3:03:07 AM UTC-4, Tristan Kohl wrote:
>
> Hi Hegart,
>
> sorry for my late respnse, that was hell of a week here :D
>
> I would be available tomorrow at 10:00 UTC or on Wednesday between 12:00 
> UTC and 15:00 UTC. Until then I have to figure out, how to setup Hangouts 
> on my machine ;).
> I second your concerns about the hard coded postal code as in Germany we 
> do have a complete different system, but I am sure we can figure out a 
> solution for this.
>
> Cheers
> Tristan
>
> Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 19:57:55 UTC+2 schrieb Hegart Dmishiv:
>>
>> Hi Tristan,
>>
>> It seems as though both Andrew and I spend a lot of time outside our own 
>> natural timezones, haha. If you suggest a time, I'm sure either or both of 
>> us could accommodate. If you could provide a timezone conversion link, such 
>> as by using The Time Zone Converter 
>> , that makes it even easier for 
>> us. 
>>
>> I'm looking forward to getting more people involved in this project. It's 
>> something I've been thinking about for many years now. I even rediscovered 
>> recently a blog post 
>>  I wrote back 
>> in 2010 about the subject. If you read that, I think you'll understand more 
>> of the mentality behind TiddlyCRM, and why it is focused on the home user, 
>> as opposed to the traditional target audience of CRM packages. I'm using 
>> New Zealand as a test case for this, and I already have a potential 
>> distribution point in mind here for getting the end product into the hands 
>> of a large number of users within the ideal target audience. However, I 
>> realise that this will all have interest for other audiences, and work will 
>> need to be done to internationalise TiddlyCRM eventually. For instance, the 
>> strict Street Number > Street Name > Suburb > City > Postcode flow of a 
>> physical / postal address may not be the same in Germany as it is in New 
>> Zealand, so the address field names will probably eventually need to become 
>> more dynamic than static.
>>
>> Andrew and I have also been discussing ways to take discussion of 
>> TiddlyCRM beyond just this single discussion thread, in an organised 
>> fashion. We'll announce here any decisions made on that.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Hegart.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 24 April 2016 21:46:20 UTC+12, Tristan Kohl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> that sounds awesome and I look forward to help you with the JS part as 
>>> far as I am capable of. As I am from Germany neither you nor Hegart are 
>>> close to my timezone so what would be a good time to contact one of you to 
>>> talk about details?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tristan
>>>
>>>
>>> Am Samstag, 23. April 2016 01:50:04 UTC+2 schrieb Andrew Myers:

 Hi Tristan,

 Regarding javascript. Neither Hegart nor myself have much experience 
 with it. Any such background is beneficial down the line I am sure.

 Currently we have been dealing with html with light ineraction of CSS. 
 There is still much to decide on what needs to be done in Beta.

 If you would like, you can catch one of us on Hangouts to chat about 
 joining the main dev team. Let me know and I will set it up.



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Re: [tw] Do you people ever get PAID for your work ...?

[progetti]

Hegart

I found that post interesting. Thanks for taking the time.

What strikes me is how maybe the money works out (at least for some). 
Still, I think i would be too self-interested for that level of giving.

I, frankly, am amazed at the giving away that Mr Ruston and also "Mr Eric" 
have actively done on TW.

Yes it enriches as all. But I have the niggle in me that perhaps it also 
strips somewhat the givers.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 4 May 2016 03:16:06 UTC+2, Hegart Dmishiv wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> For myself, the open source community is a recognition of the fact that 
> there is "nothing new under the sun 
> ". Or, 
> as open source advocates are more prone to put it, we're all "standing on 
> the shoulders of giants 
> ". 
> What I'm doing with the TiddlyCRM 
>  project 
> wouldn't be possible without Jeremy's contributions to TiddlyWiki, who in 
> turn wouldn't have been able to create TW in the first place without the 
> contributions of Brendan Eich and others who created Javascript, and so on 
> backwards through the history of computing.
>
> I choose to contribute my own progress back to the TW community freely, in 
> recognition of the efforts of these forebears. Once TiddlyCRM is complete 
> (to Full Release phase, anyway), I'll be releasing it freely under a 
> license which respects Jeremy's licensing of TiddlyWiki. If I want to make 
> money from this, it will be in supporting people to use TiddlyCRM, not in 
> license fees for purchasing the product. In fact, one of my collaborators 
> on TiddlyCRM has already intimated that he intends to do this, by providing 
> ongoing (paid) support to users. There are numerous examples of open source 
> projects which make money in the same way. Do a web search for "monetizing 
> open source".
>
> Hegart.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2016 09:28:14 UTC+12, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> There is NOTHING i could disagree with in what you wrote. It is INSPIRING.
>>
>> As Tigger says ...
>>
>>   "The wonderful about Tiggers 
>> Is Tiggers are wonderful things."
>>
>> BUT ALSO people need cash to live. So. I get interested in the economy of 
>> support that enables them to do so, or not..
>>
>> Josiah 
>> ;
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 22:41:50 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>>
>>> Josiah,
>>>
>>>
>>> I see TW as a utopian project concerned with knowledge, knowledge 
>>> creation, sharing and cooperation.It's a creative commons, in line with the 
>>> ethos of the Open Source movement. 
>>>
>>> Part of the design skills possessed by Jeremy, Eric (who moderates the 
>>> group) et al. is (as I see it at least) an understanding that engagement 
>>> with a software project is what drives the innovation and cooperation. But 
>>> I suspect that for many people here is that they are totally besotted with 
>>> TW - addicts to playing with TW and addicts to the everyday soap opera 
>>> played out on the TW lists, GitHub, Twitter and most excitingly the 
>>> hangouts.
>>>
>>> I've got used to some of the characters in the TW soap, and I find the 
>>> ethos you describe hugely inspiring. Over the years  this TiddlyWorld has 
>>> inspired me in many ways, exposing me to a whole new way of thinking.
>>>
>>> It's a refreshing change from the feeling of being a consumer in a world 
>>> where everything is commodified.
>>>
>>> When I get to bring my attention to TiddlyWorld I relax. I see a 
>>> beautiful place like a Japanese garden. There is no mess -- or at least not 
>>> the kind of mess my two children make about the place. I may be wrong, but 
>>> I get the feeling that "giving away knowledge" brings a feeling of deep 
>>> satisfaction to those who choose to give it away (or share). 
>>>
>>> I read this [1] the other day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> TiddlyWiki isn't really "a non-linear web notebook", its a thinking 
>>> about thinking tool, a tool to help communicate complex ideas and tool to 
>>> help build communities to think about tools to help them think etc. It's a 
>>> muse and meta-muse as well as something to manage your todo list and or 
>>> your research project. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome, and enjoy!
>>>
>>> best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>> [1] yes and this highlights a frustration. I can't read that 
>>> knowledge, and I can't cut and paste from the document --
>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504622.2016.1162982?journalCode=ceer20
>>>  
>>> -- to me its pointless creating knowledge if restrictions are put on 
>>> sharing it. Its especially frustrating if the person producing the 
>>> knowledge is funded from the public purse and the knowledge is closed off 
>>> from the public it should seek to inform. If only the document was 
>>> TiddlyWiki, I would have taken the quote above as a .tid file, and put it 
>>> into my own TW. I'd link to the 

Re: [tw] Do you people ever get PAID for your work ...?

[progetti]

Hegart

I found that post interesting. Thanks for taking the time.

What strikes me is how maybe the money works out (at least for some). 
Still, I think i would be too self-interested for that level of giving.

I, frankly, am amazed at the giving away that Mr Ruston and also "Mr Eric" 
have actively done on TW.

Yes it enriches as all. But I have the niggle in me that perhaps it also 
strips somewhat the givers.

Josiah

On Wednesday, 4 May 2016 03:16:06 UTC+2, Hegart Dmishiv wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> For myself, the open source community is a recognition of the fact that 
> there is "nothing new under the sun 
> ". Or, 
> as open source advocates are more prone to put it, we're all "standing on 
> the shoulders of giants 
> ". 
> What I'm doing with the TiddlyCRM 
>  project 
> wouldn't be possible without Jeremy's contributions to TiddlyWiki, who in 
> turn wouldn't have been able to create TW in the first place without the 
> contributions of Brendan Eich and others who created Javascript, and so on 
> backwards through the history of computing.
>
> I choose to contribute my own progress back to the TW community freely, in 
> recognition of the efforts of these forebears. Once TiddlyCRM is complete 
> (to Full Release phase, anyway), I'll be releasing it freely under a 
> license which respects Jeremy's licensing of TiddlyWiki. If I want to make 
> money from this, it will be in supporting people to use TiddlyCRM, not in 
> license fees for purchasing the product. In fact, one of my collaborators 
> on TiddlyCRM has already intimated that he intends to do this, by providing 
> ongoing (paid) support to users. There are numerous examples of open source 
> projects which make money in the same way. Do a web search for "monetizing 
> open source".
>
> Hegart.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 4 May 2016 09:28:14 UTC+12, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> There is NOTHING i could disagree with in what you wrote. It is INSPIRING.
>>
>> As Tigger says ...
>>
>>   "The wonderful about Tiggers 
>> Is Tiggers are wonderful things."
>>
>> BUT ALSO people need cash to live. So. I get interested in the economy of 
>> support that enables them to do so, or not..
>>
>> Josiah 
>> ;
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 22:41:50 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>>
>>> Josiah,
>>>
>>>
>>> I see TW as a utopian project concerned with knowledge, knowledge 
>>> creation, sharing and cooperation.It's a creative commons, in line with the 
>>> ethos of the Open Source movement. 
>>>
>>> Part of the design skills possessed by Jeremy, Eric (who moderates the 
>>> group) et al. is (as I see it at least) an understanding that engagement 
>>> with a software project is what drives the innovation and cooperation. But 
>>> I suspect that for many people here is that they are totally besotted with 
>>> TW - addicts to playing with TW and addicts to the everyday soap opera 
>>> played out on the TW lists, GitHub, Twitter and most excitingly the 
>>> hangouts.
>>>
>>> I've got used to some of the characters in the TW soap, and I find the 
>>> ethos you describe hugely inspiring. Over the years  this TiddlyWorld has 
>>> inspired me in many ways, exposing me to a whole new way of thinking.
>>>
>>> It's a refreshing change from the feeling of being a consumer in a world 
>>> where everything is commodified.
>>>
>>> When I get to bring my attention to TiddlyWorld I relax. I see a 
>>> beautiful place like a Japanese garden. There is no mess -- or at least not 
>>> the kind of mess my two children make about the place. I may be wrong, but 
>>> I get the feeling that "giving away knowledge" brings a feeling of deep 
>>> satisfaction to those who choose to give it away (or share). 
>>>
>>> I read this [1] the other day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>> TiddlyWiki isn't really "a non-linear web notebook", its a thinking 
>>> about thinking tool, a tool to help communicate complex ideas and tool to 
>>> help build communities to think about tools to help them think etc. It's a 
>>> muse and meta-muse as well as something to manage your todo list and or 
>>> your research project. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome, and enjoy!
>>>
>>> best wishes
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>> [1] yes and this highlights a frustration. I can't read that 
>>> knowledge, and I can't cut and paste from the document --
>>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504622.2016.1162982?journalCode=ceer20
>>>  
>>> -- to me its pointless creating knowledge if restrictions are put on 
>>> sharing it. Its especially frustrating if the person producing the 
>>> knowledge is funded from the public purse and the knowledge is closed off 
>>> from the public it should seek to inform. If only the document was 
>>> TiddlyWiki, I would have taken the quote above as a .tid file, and put it 
>>> into my own TW. I'd link to the 

[tw] Re: [TW5] Using TW for CRM?

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Hi Tristan,

Sorry I missed this opportunity to connect. Can we try again some other day 
later in the week?

Thanks,

Hegart.


On Monday, 2 May 2016 19:03:07 UTC+12, Tristan Kohl wrote:
>
> Hi Hegart,
>
> sorry for my late respnse, that was hell of a week here :D
>
> I would be available tomorrow at 10:00 UTC or on Wednesday between 12:00 
> UTC and 15:00 UTC. Until then I have to figure out, how to setup Hangouts 
> on my machine ;).
> I second your concerns about the hard coded postal code as in Germany we 
> do have a complete different system, but I am sure we can figure out a 
> solution for this.
>
> Cheers
> Tristan
>
> Am Sonntag, 24. April 2016 19:57:55 UTC+2 schrieb Hegart Dmishiv:
>>
>> Hi Tristan,
>>
>> It seems as though both Andrew and I spend a lot of time outside our own 
>> natural timezones, haha. If you suggest a time, I'm sure either or both of 
>> us could accommodate. If you could provide a timezone conversion link, such 
>> as by using The Time Zone Converter 
>> , that makes it even easier for 
>> us. 
>>
>> I'm looking forward to getting more people involved in this project. It's 
>> something I've been thinking about for many years now. I even rediscovered 
>> recently a blog post 
>>  I wrote back 
>> in 2010 about the subject. If you read that, I think you'll understand more 
>> of the mentality behind TiddlyCRM, and why it is focused on the home user, 
>> as opposed to the traditional target audience of CRM packages. I'm using 
>> New Zealand as a test case for this, and I already have a potential 
>> distribution point in mind here for getting the end product into the hands 
>> of a large number of users within the ideal target audience. However, I 
>> realise that this will all have interest for other audiences, and work will 
>> need to be done to internationalise TiddlyCRM eventually. For instance, the 
>> strict Street Number > Street Name > Suburb > City > Postcode flow of a 
>> physical / postal address may not be the same in Germany as it is in New 
>> Zealand, so the address field names will probably eventually need to become 
>> more dynamic than static.
>>
>> Andrew and I have also been discussing ways to take discussion of 
>> TiddlyCRM beyond just this single discussion thread, in an organised 
>> fashion. We'll announce here any decisions made on that.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Hegart.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 24 April 2016 21:46:20 UTC+12, Tristan Kohl wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> that sounds awesome and I look forward to help you with the JS part as 
>>> far as I am capable of. As I am from Germany neither you nor Hegart are 
>>> close to my timezone so what would be a good time to contact one of you to 
>>> talk about details?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Tristan
>>>
>>>
>>> Am Samstag, 23. April 2016 01:50:04 UTC+2 schrieb Andrew Myers:

 Hi Tristan,

 Regarding javascript. Neither Hegart nor myself have much experience 
 with it. Any such background is beneficial down the line I am sure.

 Currently we have been dealing with html with light ineraction of CSS. 
 There is still much to decide on what needs to be done in Beta.

 If you would like, you can catch one of us on Hangouts to chat about 
 joining the main dev team. Let me know and I will set it up.



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Re: [tw] Do you people ever get PAID for your work ...?

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Hi Josiah,

For myself, the open source community is a recognition of the fact that 
there is "nothing new under the sun 
". Or, 
as open source advocates are more prone to put it, we're all "standing on 
the shoulders of giants 
". What 
I'm doing with the TiddlyCRM 
 project 
wouldn't be possible without Jeremy's contributions to TiddlyWiki, who in 
turn wouldn't have been able to create TW in the first place without the 
contributions of Brendan Eich and others who created Javascript, and so on 
backwards through the history of computing.

I choose to contribute my own progress back to the TW community freely, in 
recognition of the efforts of these forebears. Once TiddlyCRM is complete 
(to Full Release phase, anyway), I'll be releasing it freely under a 
license which respects Jeremy's licensing of TiddlyWiki. If I want to make 
money from this, it will be in supporting people to use TiddlyCRM, not in 
license fees for purchasing the product. In fact, one of my collaborators 
on TiddlyCRM has already intimated that he intends to do this, by providing 
ongoing (paid) support to users. There are numerous examples of open source 
projects which make money in the same way. Do a web search for "monetizing 
open source".

Hegart.


On Wednesday, 4 May 2016 09:28:14 UTC+12, prog...@assays.tv wrote:
>
> Alex
>
> There is NOTHING i could disagree with in what you wrote. It is INSPIRING.
>
> As Tigger says ...
>
>   "The wonderful about Tiggers 
> Is Tiggers are wonderful things."
>
> BUT ALSO people need cash to live. So. I get interested in the economy of 
> support that enables them to do so, or not..
>
> Josiah 
> ;
>
> On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 22:41:50 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> Josiah,
>>
>>
>> I see TW as a utopian project concerned with knowledge, knowledge 
>> creation, sharing and cooperation.It's a creative commons, in line with the 
>> ethos of the Open Source movement. 
>>
>> Part of the design skills possessed by Jeremy, Eric (who moderates the 
>> group) et al. is (as I see it at least) an understanding that engagement 
>> with a software project is what drives the innovation and cooperation. But 
>> I suspect that for many people here is that they are totally besotted with 
>> TW - addicts to playing with TW and addicts to the everyday soap opera 
>> played out on the TW lists, GitHub, Twitter and most excitingly the 
>> hangouts.
>>
>> I've got used to some of the characters in the TW soap, and I find the 
>> ethos you describe hugely inspiring. Over the years  this TiddlyWorld has 
>> inspired me in many ways, exposing me to a whole new way of thinking.
>>
>> It's a refreshing change from the feeling of being a consumer in a world 
>> where everything is commodified.
>>
>> When I get to bring my attention to TiddlyWorld I relax. I see a 
>> beautiful place like a Japanese garden. There is no mess -- or at least not 
>> the kind of mess my two children make about the place. I may be wrong, but 
>> I get the feeling that "giving away knowledge" brings a feeling of deep 
>> satisfaction to those who choose to give it away (or share). 
>>
>> I read this [1] the other day
>>
>>
>>
>> ​
>> TiddlyWiki isn't really "a non-linear web notebook", its a thinking about 
>> thinking tool, a tool to help communicate complex ideas and tool to help 
>> build communities to think about tools to help them think etc. It's a muse 
>> and meta-muse as well as something to manage your todo list and or your 
>> research project. 
>>
>>
>> Welcome, and enjoy!
>>
>> best wishes
>>
>>
>> Alex
>> [1] yes and this highlights a frustration. I can't read that 
>> knowledge, and I can't cut and paste from the document --
>> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504622.2016.1162982?journalCode=ceer20
>>  
>> -- to me its pointless creating knowledge if restrictions are put on 
>> sharing it. Its especially frustrating if the person producing the 
>> knowledge is funded from the public purse and the knowledge is closed off 
>> from the public it should seek to inform. If only the document was 
>> TiddlyWiki, I would have taken the quote above as a .tid file, and put it 
>> into my own TW. I'd link to the paper and anyone reading it could visit the 
>> source.  I'm with Aaron Swartz -- 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz -- being in TW fulfils a need 
>> for me, one to share with sharers. Its acutually good for ones mental 
>> health too. The New Economics Foundation has sharing as one of five factors 
>> in its "5 ways to well-being" -- 
>> http://neweconomics.org/projects/five-ways-well-being -- so... 
>> TiddlyWiki is a medicine too!
>>
>> On 3 May 2016 at 20:07,  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all / Cari tuitti
>>>
>>> All this giving away of knowledge is great for idiots like me.
>>>
>>> 

Re: [tw] Do you people ever get PAID for your work ...?

[progetti]

Alex

There is NOTHING i could disagree with in what you wrote. It is INSPIRING.

As Tigger says ...

  "The wonderful about Tiggers 
Is Tiggers are wonderful things."

BUT ALSO people need cash to live. So. I get interested in the economy of 
support that enables them to do so, or not..

Josiah 
;

On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 22:41:50 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>
> Josiah,
>
>
> I see TW as a utopian project concerned with knowledge, knowledge 
> creation, sharing and cooperation.It's a creative commons, in line with the 
> ethos of the Open Source movement. 
>
> Part of the design skills possessed by Jeremy, Eric (who moderates the 
> group) et al. is (as I see it at least) an understanding that engagement 
> with a software project is what drives the innovation and cooperation. But 
> I suspect that for many people here is that they are totally besotted with 
> TW - addicts to playing with TW and addicts to the everyday soap opera 
> played out on the TW lists, GitHub, Twitter and most excitingly the 
> hangouts.
>
> I've got used to some of the characters in the TW soap, and I find the 
> ethos you describe hugely inspiring. Over the years  this TiddlyWorld has 
> inspired me in many ways, exposing me to a whole new way of thinking.
>
> It's a refreshing change from the feeling of being a consumer in a world 
> where everything is commodified.
>
> When I get to bring my attention to TiddlyWorld I relax. I see a beautiful 
> place like a Japanese garden. There is no mess -- or at least not the kind 
> of mess my two children make about the place. I may be wrong, but I get the 
> feeling that "giving away knowledge" brings a feeling of deep satisfaction 
> to those who choose to give it away (or share). 
>
> I read this [1] the other day
>
>
>
> ​
> TiddlyWiki isn't really "a non-linear web notebook", its a thinking about 
> thinking tool, a tool to help communicate complex ideas and tool to help 
> build communities to think about tools to help them think etc. It's a muse 
> and meta-muse as well as something to manage your todo list and or your 
> research project. 
>
>
> Welcome, and enjoy!
>
> best wishes
>
>
> Alex
> [1] yes and this highlights a frustration. I can't read that 
> knowledge, and I can't cut and paste from the document --
> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504622.2016.1162982?journalCode=ceer20
>  
> -- to me its pointless creating knowledge if restrictions are put on 
> sharing it. Its especially frustrating if the person producing the 
> knowledge is funded from the public purse and the knowledge is closed off 
> from the public it should seek to inform. If only the document was 
> TiddlyWiki, I would have taken the quote above as a .tid file, and put it 
> into my own TW. I'd link to the paper and anyone reading it could visit the 
> source.  I'm with Aaron Swartz -- 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz -- being in TW fulfils a need 
> for me, one to share with sharers. Its acutually good for ones mental 
> health too. The New Economics Foundation has sharing as one of five factors 
> in its "5 ways to well-being" -- 
> http://neweconomics.org/projects/five-ways-well-being -- so... TiddlyWiki 
> is a medicine too!
>
> On 3 May 2016 at 20:07,  wrote:
>
>> Dear all / Cari tuitti
>>
>> All this giving away of knowledge is great for idiots like me.
>>
>> SOMETIMES I wonder WHO are the idiots. The users or the advisors?
>>
>> I am aware there is an "ethic" here in play. 
>>
>> BUT perhaps its a little TOO ethical.for its own good.
>>
>> Thoughts from the Far Side.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw] Do you people ever get PAID for your work ...?

[Alex Hough]

Josiah,


I see TW as a utopian project concerned with knowledge, knowledge creation,
sharing and cooperation.It's a creative commons, in line with the ethos of
the Open Source movement.

Part of the design skills possessed by Jeremy, Eric (who moderates the
group) et al. is (as I see it at least) an understanding that engagement
with a software project is what drives the innovation and cooperation. But
I suspect that for many people here is that they are totally besotted with
TW - addicts to playing with TW and addicts to the everyday soap opera
played out on the TW lists, GitHub, Twitter and most excitingly the
hangouts.

I've got used to some of the characters in the TW soap, and I find the
ethos you describe hugely inspiring. Over the years  this TiddlyWorld has
inspired me in many ways, exposing me to a whole new way of thinking.

It's a refreshing change from the feeling of being a consumer in a world
where everything is commodified.

When I get to bring my attention to TiddlyWorld I relax. I see a beautiful
place like a Japanese garden. There is no mess -- or at least not the kind
of mess my two children make about the place. I may be wrong, but I get the
feeling that "giving away knowledge" brings a feeling of deep satisfaction
to those who choose to give it away (or share).

I read this [1] the other day



​
TiddlyWiki isn't really "a non-linear web notebook", its a thinking about
thinking tool, a tool to help communicate complex ideas and tool to help
build communities to think about tools to help them think etc. It's a muse
and meta-muse as well as something to manage your todo list and or your
research project.


Welcome, and enjoy!

best wishes


Alex
[1] yes and this highlights a frustration. I can't read that knowledge,
and I can't cut and paste from the document --
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504622.2016.1162982?journalCode=ceer20
-- to me its pointless creating knowledge if restrictions are put on
sharing it. Its especially frustrating if the person producing the
knowledge is funded from the public purse and the knowledge is closed off
from the public it should seek to inform. If only the document was
TiddlyWiki, I would have taken the quote above as a .tid file, and put it
into my own TW. I'd link to the paper and anyone reading it could visit the
source.  I'm with Aaron Swartz -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
-- being in TW fulfils a need for me, one to share with sharers. Its
acutually good for ones mental health too. The New Economics Foundation has
sharing as one of five factors in its "5 ways to well-being" --
http://neweconomics.org/projects/five-ways-well-being -- so... TiddlyWiki
is a medicine too!

On 3 May 2016 at 20:07,  wrote:

> Dear all / Cari tuitti
>
> All this giving away of knowledge is great for idiots like me.
>
> SOMETIMES I wonder WHO are the idiots. The users or the advisors?
>
> I am aware there is an "ethic" here in play.
>
> BUT perhaps its a little TOO ethical.for its own good.
>
> Thoughts from the Far Side.
>
> Josiah
>
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[tw] Do you people ever get PAID for your work ...?

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Dear all / Cari tuitti

All this giving away of knowledge is great for idiots like me.

SOMETIMES I wonder WHO are the idiots. The users or the advisors?

I am aware there is an "ethic" here in play. 

BUT perhaps its a little TOO ethical.for its own good.

Thoughts from the Far Side.

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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

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Jeremy

I kinda got to that high point of contradictory idiocy that a reported 
error is NOT necessarily an error

However, for the starter novice it does invoke Eebie-Jeebies. A point worth 
noting, IMO.

Josiah

. 

On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 18:23:34 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah
>
> As far as I can see its not fatal. All tiddlers open are there. But it is 
> directly linked to from at least one normal tiddler …
>
>
> It is indeed a frustrating little problem. It’s too late now, but I rather 
> wish that we'd made system tiddlers display in plain text. Many of the core 
> templates aren’t useful to view in rendered form.
>
> I’m sure you’ll have figured out that the warning appears when a tiddler 
> is transcluded from inside itself, setting up an infinite loop if we didn’t 
> trap it. The situations where it crops up could be viewed as instructive :)
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>   "storyTiddler Variable"
>
> J.
>
> On Sunday, 1 May 2016 19:24:51 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew
>>
>> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
>> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called 
>> Edge). That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the 
>> ordinary IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll 
>> investigate further,
>>
>>
>> OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>
>> There are a couple of fixes:
>>
>> * The deleting text issue
>> * The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons
>>
>> Please do give it a try and let me know,
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another 
>>> approach and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>>>
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease
>>>
>>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work 
>>> for me,
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Andrew
>>> >
>>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>>> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>>> >
>>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>>> problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>>> updated is some kind of random bug.
>>> >
>>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and 
>>> once again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>>> information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>>> >
>>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>>> >
>>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>>> control
>>> >   var textEvent = 
>>> this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>>> null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>>> >  
>>>  this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>>> >   } else {
>>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>>> >   }
>>> >
>>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. 
>>> The problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>>> display is not updated to match.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes
>>> >
>>> > Jeremy.
>>> >
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Re: [tw] [tw5] Final tests for 5.1.12 before release

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Josiah

> As far as I can see its not fatal. All tiddlers open are there. But it is 
> directly linked to from at least one normal tiddler …

It is indeed a frustrating little problem. It’s too late now, but I rather wish 
that we'd made system tiddlers display in plain text. Many of the core 
templates aren’t useful to view in rendered form.

I’m sure you’ll have figured out that the warning appears when a tiddler is 
transcluded from inside itself, setting up an infinite loop if we didn’t trap 
it. The situations where it crops up could be viewed as instructive :)

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
>   "storyTiddler Variable"
> 
> J.
> 
> On Sunday, 1 May 2016 19:24:51 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Andrew
> 
>> Ah, a bit more poking around reveals that I was using the new fangled 
>> Metro-style version of IE11 under Windows 10 (I think it may be called 
>> Edge). That version does still seem to work fine, but if I switch to the 
>> ordinary IE11 then I’m seeing the same problems as you describe. I’ll 
>> investigate further,
> 
> OK, I think I’ve got things working again. I’ve uploaded a new prerelease:
> 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
> 
> There are a couple of fixes:
> 
> * The deleting text issue
> * The “repeat” error when using the heading buttons
> 
> Please do give it a try and let me know,
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 6:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston gmail.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>> OK, after my disappointment recorded below, I came up with another approach 
>>> and I think have now got things working on Internet Explorer 11:
>>> 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease 
>>> 
>>> It needs thoroughly testing under other browsers too, but seems to work for 
>>> me,
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Jeremy.
>>> 
>>> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 12:06, Jeremy Ruston gmail.com 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Andrew
>>> >
>>> >> Now in IE 11, the whole edit field now clears if you change views and 
>>> >> also randomly. Something is wrong. It was working better. What changed?
>>> >
>>> > Nothing has changed in the code that updates the textarea. I think the 
>>> > problem that we’re seeing in IE11 with the textarea display not being 
>>> > updated is some kind of random bug.
>>> >
>>> > I’ve spent a few more hours investigating the problems with IE11 and once 
>>> > again I’m out of ideas; I’ve been repeatedly finding the same outdated 
>>> > information via searching Google, StackOverflow etc.
>>> >
>>> > The code in question is this part of framed.js:
>>> >
>>> >   // Attempt to use a TextEvent to modify the value of the 
>>> > control
>>> >   var textEvent = 
>>> > this.domNode.ownerDocument.createEvent("TextEvent");
>>> >   if(textEvent.initTextEvent) {
>>> >   textEvent.initTextEvent("textInput", true, true, 
>>> > null, operation.replacement, 9, "en-US");
>>> >   this.domNode.focus();
>>> >   
>>> > this.domNode.setSelectionRange(operation.cutStart,operation.cutEnd);
>>> >   this.domNode.dispatchEvent(textEvent);
>>> >   } else {
>>> >   this.domNode.value = newText;
>>> >   }
>>> >
>>> > IE11 has the initTextEvent method, and so calls the first code path. The 
>>> > problem is that the value underlying the textarea is updated, but the 
>>> > display is not updated to match.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes
>>> >
>>> > Jeremy.
>>> >
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[tw] Re: How secure is TiddlyWiki?

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PMario

WOW

That is an AMAZING detailed, pertinent, reply.

I am gobsmacked at the effort people like you here give freely.

It is a nice thing to witness.

Josiah

On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 11:00:59 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:55:00 AM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>
> I did find 7 statements in this post and I try to respond to them, by 
> describing the mechanisms that are used to create the TW functionality. So 
> your security OPS can make there own picture. 
>
>
> Some general remarks. 
>
> Open Source:
> 
>
> Almost everything, if not everything in the TiddlyWiki ecosystem is open 
> source. So the source code is publicly available and reviewable by 
> everyone. 
>
> TiddlyWiki [1], TiddlyFox [2], TiddlyIE [3] links are at the end of the 
> post.
>
>
> Single Page App (SPA)
> ---
>
> TiddlyWiki is a SPA. Once it is loaded from eg: http://tiddlywilki.com 
> you can disconnect your computer and TW will be fully functional. 
>
> TiddlyWiki doesn't need any server backend to be functional and it doesn't 
> send any info to any server, except the user wants this behaviour 
> (plugins). 
>
> tiddlywiki.com contains the tw google analytics (ga) plugin, to get 
> minimal statistics. 
>
> but
>
> If you download tiddlywiki, this code is deactivated or not included at 
> all. So empty.html doesn't include any plugins. 
>
> Only if you download "full wiki", you get everything as requested, but ga 
> is inactive. It only works with tiddlywiki.com otherwise everyone would 
> be able to spam the statistics. 
>
> 
>
>
> 1) "How secure is our corporate data?" 
>>
>
> TiddlyWiki is a pure HTML file. So you can open it with any text editor, 
> if you need to. 
>
> If you talk about "access rights", the same rules apply, that are valid 
> for every other file type. As mentioned above HTML is pure text and the 
> file format is standardized.
>
> In a "discoverability" sense of the question, it is as secure or even more 
> secure, than proprietary file formats used in many companies. Just try to 
> open a 10 year old word file. Opening a 10 year old TW file is no problem. 
> It should work with every standard browser and it definitely works with 
> every standard text editor.  
> The TiddlyWiki core contains an open source encryption library [4], that 
> lets you encrypt the internal tiddler store. The mechanism used is AES256, 
> which is considered secure at the time of writing. There is an ongoing 
> discussion, if browsers are a good environment for encryption. But that's a 
> different topic. 
>
>
> 2) "How do you know it isn't transmitting data outside the company?"
>>
>
> As written in the intro: TiddlyWiki is open source.  
>
> As you mentioned in 5) browser vendors block transmissions that they 
> consider potentially insecure. Actions, that are blocked differ a little 
> bit between different browsers.
>
> One of these measures prevent a TiddlyWiki, that was started from a 
> file:// URI to be able, to upload itself to a http:// URI eg: tiddlyspot 
>
> So for the "save from file:// URI to http:// URI" we can say. ... latest 
> browsers prevent this mechanism. If you need this behaviour now, you need 
> to install a proxy server. 
>
>
> 3) "How do you know it won't damage the data on our network?"
>>
>
> That's very similar to 2). 
>
> There are 2 mechanisms that are used to save a TW. 
>
> a) We call the first mechanism the "fallback mechanism", because it works 
> on every browser. 
> TW uses the built in browser download mechanism, which creates a new file 
> with every download.
> This mechanism is the same, that you use to download any other file from 
> the net. So the restrictions are defined with your browser settings. (eg: 
> Most browsers use the user "Downloads" folder as a default save position)
>
> b) To activate the ability, that TW can overwrite itself [5] on the file 
> system, we need browser plugins. TiddlyFox [2] for FireFox and TiddlyIE [3] 
> for InternetExplorer. Chrome, Safari and some other browsers only support 
> possibility a) 
>
> Both TiddlyFox and TiddlyIE are open source!
>
> With the latest FireFox browser, extensions are only allowed to be 
> executed, if they are signed by Mozilla. TiddlyFox is a signed extension 
> [6]. 
>
>
> 4) My first reaction is to discount this as paranoia but I don't know the 
>> inner workings of TiddlyWiki well enough to know it isn't doing those 
>> things and I'm not sure anyone but Jeremy (and perhaps Eric) do know.
>>
>
> Hopefully some others know too ;)
>
>
> 5) Still Firefox and most modern browsers have gone out of their way to 
>> prevent applications like TiddlyWiki from working.
>>
>
> Yes. See 2) and 3)
>
> There are several other browser security measures, that should prevent any 
> website from having unwanted effects. All these mechanisms are also active 
> with TW.
>
>
> 6) On a separate but related note, one of the math routines developed for 
>> TiddlyWiki used a 

Re: [tw] Is it possible to change WikiText reserved characters? #question

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Josiah

> Prefixing with "." is okay. But I would rather not have to do that. Its not 
> elegant.

The other way of thinking about it might be to use `#` as a keyboard shortcut 
that brings up a text field for a new tag to be typed. That way you can use 
your muscle memory for typing tags, and they become “real” tags which allows 
TiddlyWiki to do more useful things with them (and of course they could be 
displayed with a preceding `#` to make them look right).

> On ...
> 
> \rules except list
> This is a note.
> #mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
> 
> Is it inhibits all lists.

I’m afraid so; the `rules` pragma is a bit of a blunt instrument.

> Perhaps I am in search of the impossible dream? :-)

There’s always a solution - generally discovered by Eric :)

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Josiah
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 3 May 2016 17:07:13 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Josiah
> 
>> Is there a way to change WikiText's "#" for a LESS USED character?
> 
> TiddlyWiki’s wiki text reserves # for numbered lists, but only at the start 
> of a new line. So, you could adopt a convention of preceding your hashtags 
> with, say, a dot:
> 
> —
> This is a note.
> .#mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
> —
> 
> Another alternative is to disable the numbered list parse rule within your 
> tiddlers:
> 
> —
> \rules except list
> This is a note.
> #mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
> —
> 
> You can also use the Info/Advanced/Parsing tab of Control Panel to globally 
> disable the list rule, but you may run into compatibility problems.
> 
> Generally, TiddlyWiki takes great care with backwards compatibility to 
> increase the chances that people can freely upgrade from earlier versions. 
> So, we couldn’t outright change the wiki text syntax, we can only extend it.
> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Jeremy
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Josiah
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Re: [tw] Is it possible to change WikiText reserved characters? #question

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Jeremy

Thanks for taking time to give  a detailed reply. I get it.

I completely agree that legacy issues matter.

But, at the same time, the way that the "#hashtag" has evolved into a broad 
cultural referencing system (tradition #2) creates a tension with WikiText 
(tradition #1). The OED now lists it. An indication of its wide use in 
referencing systems. And I have to say it really works well. It's different 
than other WikiText symbols out in the wild.

Prefixing with "." is okay. But I would rather not have to do that. Its not 
elegant.

On ...

\rules except list
This is a note.
#mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag

Is it inhibits all lists.

Perhaps I am in search of the impossible dream? :-)

Josiah



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>
> Hi Josiah
>
> Is there a way to change WikiText's "#" for a LESS USED character?
>
>
> TiddlyWiki’s wiki text reserves # for numbered lists, but only at the 
> start of a new line. So, you could adopt a convention of preceding your 
> hashtags with, say, a dot:
>
> —
> This is a note.
> .#mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
> —
>
> Another alternative is to disable the numbered list parse rule within your 
> tiddlers:
>
> —
> \rules except list
> This is a note.
> #mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
> —
>
> You can also use the Info/Advanced/Parsing tab of Control Panel to 
> globally disable the list rule, but you may run into compatibility problems.
>
> Generally, TiddlyWiki takes great care with backwards compatibility to 
> increase the chances that people can freely upgrade from earlier versions. 
> So, we couldn’t outright change the wiki text syntax, we can only extend it.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
>
> Josiah
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[tw] Re: How secure is TiddlyWiki?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If your company is asking you to do use some other Wiki, does that mean 
that they expect it to be used in collaboration with others?

If so, then they may have a point. Collaboration is a bit weak in TW, to 
put it mildly.

If you carry your TW home on a flash drive or lap top, then there is a 
danger of the data being exposed -- just as with any other document. Even 
brand-new laptops come with all sorts of 3rd party stuff these days, and it 
doesn't seem  that manufacturers vet the software thoroughly. USB drives 
can be lost, or left behind at business meetings.

TW does have an encryption capability, which might add some peace of mind. 
You might find out if your company's default wiki product is using 
encryption.

Mark

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 7:55:00 PM UTC-7, Stephen Kimmel wrote:
>
> I work for an engineering company and TiddlyWiki is something I use almost 
> constantly. My company, however, would rather that I use another wiki 
> program that is part of an integrated package. Without going into too much 
> detail, the words that immediately come to mind when describing that 
> program are "useless" and "vile." Although they've never prohibited me from 
> using TiddlyWiki, they have raised questions that I can't easily answer 
> such as "How secure is our corporate data?" and "How do you know it isn't 
> transmitting data outside the company?" and finally "How do you know it 
> won't damage the data on our network?" 
>
> My first reaction is to discount this as paranoia but I don't know the 
> inner workings of TiddlyWiki well enough to know it isn't doing those 
> things and I'm not sure anyone but Jeremy (and perhaps Eric) do know. I'm 
> more worried about Google making copies of my data than I am Jeremy doing 
> it. Still Firefox and most modern browsers have gone out of their way to 
> prevent applications like TiddlyWiki from working. On a separate but 
> related note, one of the math routines developed for TiddlyWiki used a 
> separate math package to avoid using the "dangerous" javascript eval 
> function. Could some malicious bastard create a plugin that could actually 
> damage our computers or our data outside the Wiki?
>
> Does anyone know?
>

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Re: [tw] Is it possible to change WikiText reserved characters? #question

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Josiah

> Is there a way to change WikiText's "#" for a LESS USED character?

TiddlyWiki’s wiki text reserves # for numbered lists, but only at the start of 
a new line. So, you could adopt a convention of preceding your hashtags with, 
say, a dot:

—
This is a note.
.#mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
—

Another alternative is to disable the numbered list parse rule within your 
tiddlers:

—
\rules except list
This is a note.
#mytag #anothertag #and-another-tag
—

You can also use the Info/Advanced/Parsing tab of Control Panel to globally 
disable the list rule, but you may run into compatibility problems.

Generally, TiddlyWiki takes great care with backwards compatibility to increase 
the chances that people can freely upgrade from earlier versions. So, we 
couldn’t outright change the wiki text syntax, we can only extend it.

Best wishes

Jeremy



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[tw] Is it possible to change WikiText reserved characters? #question

[progetti]

Ciao

Small issue. 

Over the years I have got used to using "#" (hashtag/pound sign/octothorp) 
in notes to myself and in Twitter posts. Its a great thing to use 
consistently as I can search for strings like "#surveillance" IN tiddler 
content TEXT without me having to create yet another tag for me to 
precisely locate what is perhaps just one or two items.

I like using WikiText, buts its a problem using "#" in it. For Twitter 
posts I set the type to plain. Other tiddlers I have I want in WikiText "#" 
are a pain in the arse.

Is there a way to change WikiText's "#" for a LESS USED character?

Josiah

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 Alternatives for TWClassic-Plugins : OpenStory/SaveStory

[Jan]

Hi Mark,
This one works perfect!
Thanks a lot, I am admiring your patience with me.

Yours Jan



Am 02.05.2016 um 23:12 schrieb 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki:
The attached version will apply the excludeStory tiddlers before 
saving the story in the list.


Mark

On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 1:20:06 PM UTC-7, Jan wrote:

Hi Mark,
Thanks for the .json
The view-template works fine, it creates a neat row and tiddlers
tagged with excludeStory are not shown, but they are saved in the
list and are opened when you load the story.
For my purpose would be best to exclude them at once...
I understand that the Problem is in opening tiddlers contained in
the textfield if they are not properly  aligned. In TWC the
tiddlytools StorySaverPlugin managed
this...http://www.tiddlytools.com/#StorySaverPlugin

Yours Jan


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Betreff:Re: [tw] Re: TW5 Alternatives for TWClassic-Plugins :
OpenStory/SaveStory
Datum:  Mon, 2 May 2016 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT)
Von:'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 

Antwort an: tiddl...@googlegroups.com 
An: TiddlyWiki  



Here's a json with the updated save/show routines and with the
suggested view template. Be sure to back up before trying.

I can imagine several ways in which this might not work as you
wanted, so you will need to specify how it is not working properly.

It might be possible to create a wikified list with a javascript
macro. But I'm thinking that you want your users to edit that list
in the text editor. So that would take a second javascript macro
to parse the human readable list back into the kind of lists used
to save stories. Have to think about that.

Good luck,
Mark

In general, I think TWC was favorable in many ways to TW5.
On Monday, May 2, 2016 at 5:34:37 AM UTC-7, Jan wrote:

Hello Mark,
Thanks for your help and sorry for not answering more quickly.
I did not know ther was so much difference between TWC and TW5.
I´ll have to do a lot of learning if i really change.
I could not get your solution to work properly.

Am 30.04.2016 um 05:44 schrieb 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki:

I don't think there is a "split" operator -- at least it's
not mentioned in the docs.

That's a plugin by Tobias$:/plugins/tobibeer/split




And I don't think you can capture the nicely formatted
list and tuck it into a tiddler. It would be cool if you
could.

That's a pitty, in Tiddlytools for classic ther was a plugin
called "clickify" which did exactly this

In TWC the solution was the following:
<>

By the template this
<>
was inserted into each created SnapshotTiddler to open the
story contained...

Thanks again,
Jan














On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 5:10:30 PM UTC-7, Jan wrote:

Hello,
I think I would like to do a solution with a small detour:
1. Create a ShadowTiddler called [[Snapshot]] which
contains the Story like this:
 {{{[split:list{$:/StoryList!!list}]}}}
 Question: How can I exclude the Tiddlers Tagged
with excludeStory?


2. How can set the value of
|<$action-setfield
$tiddler="$(snapshot)$"$field="text"$value=
tags="Snapshot">|
to the clickyfied Text of [[Snapshot]]

Thanks...
Jan



Am 28.04.2016 um 04:15 schrieb 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki:

Hello,

Technically, this modification of matebele's
version does just what you want:

|
\define saveSnapshot()
<$button>SaveSnapshot
<$action-setfield
$tiddler="$(snapshot)$"$field="text"$value=
tags="Snapshot">

\end

\define showSnapshot()
<$button

set="$:/StoryList!!list"setTo={{$(snap)$}}>ShowSnapshot
\end

;Show Snapshot

<$select
tiddler="$:/_snapshots" field="story-name"
default='(none)'>
<$list filter="[tag[Snapshot]]"
variable="currentIndex">
>><>


<$set name="snap" value={{$:/_snapshots!!story-name}}>

[tw] Is it possible to CHANGE special characters in WikiText? #question

[progetti]

Ciao

Small issue. 

Over the years I have got used to using "#" (hashtag/pound sign/octothorp) 
in notes to myself and in Twitter posts. Its a great thing to use 
consistently as one can search for strings like "#surveillance" 
($:/AdvancedSearch > Filter) IN tiddler content text without me having to 
create yet another tag for me to precisely locate what is perhaps just one 
or two items.

I like using WikiText, buts its a problem using "#" in it. For Twitter 
posts I set the type to plain. Other tiddlers I have I want in WikiText "#" 
are a pain in the arse.

Is there a way to change WikiText's "#" for a LESS USED character?

Josiah

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[tw] Re: Using Tiddlywiki as front end to personal web archive: Scrapbook & RDF files

[progetti]

Steve

Yesterday I replied to this but I think I must have deleted the reply by 
mistake. Here is another attempt.

I use Scrapbook. Looking at an RDF for it I can see it COULD quite easily 
be converted into a JSON file that could be imported into a TiddlyWiki.

BUT ...

Though the RDF has simple entries for SINGLE pages, for multiple pages, 
i.e. for whole SITES, it looks more complex with internal cross references. 
They don't look easy to JSONise.

The THREE TYPES of information it holds--(1) links to DOWNLOADED SINGLE 
pages; (2) BOOKMARKS of sites; & (3) NOTES, look to have an UNproblematic 
RDF data structure so those, at least, may be easy to migrate to TW.

Best wishes
Josiah


On Monday, 2 May 2016 18:55:01 UTC+2, SteveSchneider DesignWriteX wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> This topic has been floating around my world for many years (maybe 10?), 
> but perhaps now the time is ripe to do something with it!
>
> I've long been a fan of the ancient old Firefox extension, Scrapbook: 
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/scrapbook/.
>
> Among other things, Scrapbook archives on a local drive all necessary page 
> requisites to re-present Web pages. From a currently visible Web page, 
> Scrapbook will collect all and store all page requisites, rewrite necessary 
> html to reflect local links, and provide a durable link of the archived 
> page in full HTML complexity. Preferences handle downloads of media. 
> (Preferences can also be set to handle following links one or more layers 
> out, so that Scrapbook can be a small scale web crawler, but that's a 
> different project...)
>
> For TW users, one use case might be this: Given a current timestamp of 
> 20160404203343 (reflecting MMDDHHMMSS), and a scrapbook directory is 
> set as scrapbook/, then a just-scrapbooked page will be displayed  at 
> http://../scrapbook/20160404203343/index.html --- and with a small amount 
> of tweaking we can imagine a macro that would return a durable link to a 
> scrapbooked page: <>.  (I built something like 
> this in TWC a few years back: 
> http://bit.do/tiddlwiki-classic-scrapbook-web-archiving-system - haven't 
> looked at it for a while, but it worked well enough).
>
> There are two things I'd like to do:
>
> 1 > update my old scrapbook code to work with classic
>
> 2 > import the RDF file produced by Scrapbook as tiddlers
>
> Was wondering if anyone has played in this space recently, or has any 
> thoughts about how to go about importing and processing RDF files? And/or 
> jettisoning Scrapbook altogether in favor of something else that does the 
> same work?
>
> Thanks!
>
> //steve.
>
>

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[tw] Is it possible to alter default WikiText special characters? #question

[progetti]

Ciao

Small issue. 

Over the years I have got used to using "#" (hashtag/pound sign/octothorp) 
in notes to myself and in Twitter posts. Its a great thing to use 
consistently as one can search for strings like "#surveillance" IN tiddler 
content text without me having to create yet another tag for me to 
precisely locate what is perhaps just one or two items.

I like using WikiText, buts its a problem using "#" in it. For Twitter 
posts I set the type to plain. Other tiddlers I have I want in WikiText "#" 
are a pain in the arse.

Is there a way to change WikiText's "#" for a LESS USED character?

Josiah


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[tw] Re: transcluding a link / updating linked files

[PMario]

There would be a second possibility with global macros, if this one doesn't 
fit
-m

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[tw] Re: transcluding a link / updating linked files

[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 2:11:58 AM UTC+2, hains...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I want to link to documents, that are changed / updated from time to time. 
> The same (pdf-)file is linked to in multiple Tiddlers. When the file is 
> updated I want to update the link just once and being able to access it 
> from multiple Tiddlers
>
> I experimented and a working solution is to use html:
>
> I create one Tiddler with the name "description pdf" and the content: "./
> file.xyz"
>  and I reference to it with " target="_blank">descriptive flowtext in multiple Tiddlers.
>

One possibility. 

myFile.xyz tiddler defined / edited once. content:

[ext[descriptive text|./file.xyz]] 

usage with a transclusion

{{myFile.xyz}}

 
>
> My first approach was using
>
> [[ext]"descriptive flowtext"|{{description pdf}}]]
>
> but thtat doesn't work.
>

Probably a syntax problem. [ext[descriptive flowtext|tiddlerName]] ... text 
referencing isn't possible here

see: http://tiddlywiki.com/#Linking%20in%20WikiText

hope that helps
-mario

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[tw] Re: TW5 Exporting Tiddlers in the TOC order

[Martin Hochstrasser]

Works like a charm...

Thank you very much!

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Contents multiple sort

[Matthew Petty]

You could create multiple TOC tiddlers like "Contents - Journal" etc, with 
just the content you need, and the sort you require. Then transclude them 
together on the main "Contents" tiddler.

-Matthew

On Thursday, 28 April 2016 18:47:56 UTC+4, Free Man wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm new user of TW5 and I'm trying to create Contents tab in SideBar. I 
> read documentation and created my Contents using
>
> <>
>
> This works fine, but i need more options of sorting.
>
> I attached screenshot of my TiddlyWiki and need help with sorting Tiddlers 
> in SideBar Contents tab. Now my Contents are all ordered by title but I 
> want something like this:
>
>1. manual order main expandable tiddlers (e.g. Tasks first, Journal 
>second and Notes last)
>2. tiddlers in Journal ordered by date of creation and tiddlers in 
>Notes ordered by title
>3. manual order tiddlers in Tasks (e.g. Inbox first, ToDo second and 
>Completed last)
>
> Is something like this possible? Thanks for help.
>
>
> 
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[tw] Re: Reduce size of the "recent" list

[PMario]

If we would change this line in the timeline macro

<$list 
filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]!sort[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]eachday[$dateField$]]">

^
to 

<$list 
filter="[!is[system]$subfilter$has[$dateField$]!sort[$dateField$]eachday[$dateField$]limit[$limit$]]">
 
   ^

and set the limit to eg: 3 it would use the last 3 dates, where tiddlers 
have been changed. ... It still would show all tiddlers from the group

-m
PS: We should probably create a new timeline macro, with a new 
limitNumberOfLinks 

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[tw] Re: Reduce size of the "recent" list

[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 10:01:20 AM UTC+2, Daniel wrote:
>
> I'd like to reduce the size of the recent list (so that there is no 
> scrolling on the screen I regularly use). I did not find a setting for 
> this, and changing the "limit" part of the filter expression in 
> $:/core/Filters/RecentTiddlers die not change anything either.
>

$:/core/Filters/RecentTiddlers ... is a tiddler, that is used as a template 
in the AdvancedSearch: Filter  drop-down list. 

The tiddler you need to modify is: $:/core/ui/SideBar/Recen 
t  ... It 
contains a macro call for the timeline macro  
Change the limit parameter there. 
... but  be aware it reads the last eg: 10 tiddlers if your limit it 
10. then it views their modified date to create the groups. Then it uses 
the group dates to show the tiddlers. So if one of those group dates has 
100 changed tiddlers, it will show them all. 

So the timeline functionality isn't deterministic. 

have fun!
mario


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[tw] Re: How secure is TiddlyWiki?

[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 4:55:00 AM UTC+2, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

I did find 7 statements in this post and I try to respond to them, by 
describing the mechanisms that are used to create the TW functionality. So 
your security OPS can make there own picture. 


Some general remarks. 

Open Source:


Almost everything, if not everything in the TiddlyWiki ecosystem is open 
source. So the source code is publicly available and reviewable by 
everyone. 

TiddlyWiki [1], TiddlyFox [2], TiddlyIE [3] links are at the end of the 
post.


Single Page App (SPA)
---

TiddlyWiki is a SPA. Once it is loaded from eg: http://tiddlywilki.com you 
can disconnect your computer and TW will be fully functional. 

TiddlyWiki doesn't need any server backend to be functional and it doesn't 
send any info to any server, except the user wants this behaviour 
(plugins). 

tiddlywiki.com contains the tw google analytics (ga) plugin, to get minimal 
statistics. 

but

If you download tiddlywiki, this code is deactivated or not included at 
all. So empty.html doesn't include any plugins. 

Only if you download "full wiki", you get everything as requested, but ga 
is inactive. It only works with tiddlywiki.com otherwise everyone would be 
able to spam the statistics. 




1) "How secure is our corporate data?" 
>

TiddlyWiki is a pure HTML file. So you can open it with any text editor, if 
you need to. 

If you talk about "access rights", the same rules apply, that are valid for 
every other file type. As mentioned above HTML is pure text and the file 
format is standardized.

In a "discoverability" sense of the question, it is as secure or even more 
secure, than proprietary file formats used in many companies. Just try to 
open a 10 year old word file. Opening a 10 year old TW file is no problem. 
It should work with every standard browser and it definitely works with 
every standard text editor.  
The TiddlyWiki core contains an open source encryption library [4], that 
lets you encrypt the internal tiddler store. The mechanism used is AES256, 
which is considered secure at the time of writing. There is an ongoing 
discussion, if browsers are a good environment for encryption. But that's a 
different topic. 


2) "How do you know it isn't transmitting data outside the company?"
>

As written in the intro: TiddlyWiki is open source.  

As you mentioned in 5) browser vendors block transmissions that they 
consider potentially insecure. Actions, that are blocked differ a little 
bit between different browsers.

One of these measures prevent a TiddlyWiki, that was started from a file:// 
URI to be able, to upload itself to a http:// URI eg: tiddlyspot 

So for the "save from file:// URI to http:// URI" we can say. ... latest 
browsers prevent this mechanism. If you need this behaviour now, you need 
to install a proxy server. 


3) "How do you know it won't damage the data on our network?"
>

That's very similar to 2). 

There are 2 mechanisms that are used to save a TW. 

a) We call the first mechanism the "fallback mechanism", because it works 
on every browser. 
TW uses the built in browser download mechanism, which creates a new file 
with every download.
This mechanism is the same, that you use to download any other file from 
the net. So the restrictions are defined with your browser settings. (eg: 
Most browsers use the user "Downloads" folder as a default save position)

b) To activate the ability, that TW can overwrite itself [5] on the file 
system, we need browser plugins. TiddlyFox [2] for FireFox and TiddlyIE [3] 
for InternetExplorer. Chrome, Safari and some other browsers only support 
possibility a) 

Both TiddlyFox and TiddlyIE are open source!

With the latest FireFox browser, extensions are only allowed to be 
executed, if they are signed by Mozilla. TiddlyFox is a signed extension 
[6]. 


4) My first reaction is to discount this as paranoia but I don't know the 
> inner workings of TiddlyWiki well enough to know it isn't doing those 
> things and I'm not sure anyone but Jeremy (and perhaps Eric) do know.
>

Hopefully some others know too ;)


5) Still Firefox and most modern browsers have gone out of their way to 
> prevent applications like TiddlyWiki from working.
>

Yes. See 2) and 3)

There are several other browser security measures, that should prevent any 
website from having unwanted effects. All these mechanisms are also active 
with TW.


6) On a separate but related note, one of the math routines developed for 
> TiddlyWiki used a separate math package to avoid using the "dangerous" 
> javascript eval function.
>

As Eric pointed out, the TiddlyWiki wikitext parser contains some 
"sanitation" functions, that filter potentially dangerous html code from 
"copy / pasted" tiddler content. eg: script tags. ... 

So the most important factor here is the user. We have to say: "Only use 
content, that you trust!". 

So if you dynamically want to include external 

[tw] Re: TW5 Exporting Tiddlers in the TOC order

[Martin Hochstrasser]

Wow...

Thank you very much Evolena! I'll try this as soon as possible! 

Best regards,
Martin 

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[tw] Re: TW5 Exporting Tiddlers in the TOC order

[Evolena]

Hello Martin,

Here is my approach:
I've tweaked the toc macro to populate the "list" field of a tiddler 
(TOC-export) with each tiddler instead of displaying its title.
As I use an action widget, I have encapsulated the call of this macro 
inside a button, in the TOC-Export tiddler. Clicking the button populate 
the list field of the TOC-export tiddler with all tiddlers in the 
TableOfContents, in their order of appearance (however, if a tiddler 
appears several times in the TOC, it will be present only once in the list 
field).
Finally, in the advance search, I can use the [list[TOC-export]] filter to 
export the result in static HTML.

Here is the content of my TOC-export tiddler:

\define current() [[$(currentTiddler)$]]

\define toc-export(rootTag,tag,sort:"")
<$list filter="""[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$tag$]!has[draft.of]$sort$]""">
<$action-listops $tiddler="TOC-export" $field="list" $subfilter=
"+[append]"/>
<$list filter="""[all[current]] -[[$rootTag$]]""">
<$macrocall $name="toc-export" tag=<> rootTag=
"""$rootTag$""" sort="""$sort$"""/>


\end

<$button>
<>
Export


There may be an easier way to pass the current tiddler to the 
action-listops widget, but using directly the <> variable 
results in each word of the current title being added independently into 
the list.

The call of the toc-export macro has both the rootTag and the tag parameter 
because I used the toc-body macro as a model, instead of the toc macro 
which only calls the toc-body macro to hide the rootTag parameter to the 
user.

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 - Make it read only permanently

[adelmanaoaria]

Hi 
Thank you for your fast answer
It has helped a lot.
The plugin is more practical than i thought. (The tiddler with the checkbox 
was the missing part).






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[tw] Reduce size of the "recent" list

[Daniel]

Hi list!

I'd like to reduce the size of the recent list (so that there is no 
scrolling on the screen I regularly use). I did not find a setting for 
this, and changing the "limit" part of the filter expression in 
$:/core/Filters/RecentTiddlers die not change anything either.

Thanks for any pointers!

Best regards,
Daniel

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[tw] TW5 Exporting Tiddlers in the TOC order

[Martin Hochstrasser]

Hi all,

Since I love TiddlyWiki (and hacking it a bit) and I recently had to write 
a spec for our REST API, I thought it would be a good idea to write it in 
TiddlyWiki for all the goodness of structure, SVG diagrams and the like.

Now a client needs the spec, and he's a bit on the conservative side; read: 
he wants docx or pdf.

I tried export all, but this sorts the tiddlers by title, so the 
structure's gone.

Now I'd like to export all tiddlers in the order appearance of the <> 
macro to a static html for converting to PDF. 

Could someone please help me how to do this, or point me in the right 
direction?

I tried copying the <> macro to my tiddlers and transclude the tiddler 
text, but this didn't work out. I can't seem to grasp this macro/widget 
thing...

Best regards,
Martin


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