Re: [tw] Re: A thought about licensing and money

2017-09-22 Thread HansWobbe
Richard ... Thank you very much for posting this ...

Vannevar Bush's essay was an interesting read and good food for thought. 
> It's online here if anyone else is interested 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/
> .
>
> My favourite line was this one:
>
> "The world has arrived at an age of cheap complex devices of great 
> reliability; and something is bound to come of it."
>
> I think he was right!
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 7:13:33 PM UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Back in 2005/6, tiddlywiki.com had quite a prominent PayPal donation 
>> button. Over the course of a year it accrued enough money for me to buy a 
>> decent camera, which was quite a thrill at the time. Then, in 2007, I sold 
>> my company Osmosoft to BT and I felt that having just profited from 
>> TiddlyWiki it wasn’t appropriate for me to be asking for money.
>>
>> Over the following years, my views changed even more. The fundamental 
>> thing I realised was that it was wrong to see the TiddlyWiki community as a 
>> group from whom I can extract money. It was better for me to view the 
>> community as my partners in making TiddlyWiki better. Without the 
>> enthusiasm of the community no doubt I personally would have lost impetus a 
>> long time ago. More than that, it’s the contributions made by others that 
>> makes TiddlyWiki so interesting and useful. Whether those contributions 
>> take the form of code, documentation, or just chewing the fat with others 
>> in the community, it’s the community that breathes life into the project.
>>
>> So, now, building on that idea, rather than seeking to make money *from* 
>> the community, I’m much more interested in making money *with* the 
>> community.
>>
>> One simple scenario in which that might happen can be illustrated with 
>> one of my favourite examples of a TW5 edition. It’s tool to help teach 
>> volleyball students to high school students:
>>
>>
>> http://pespot.tiddlyspot.com/#Task%201:%5B%5BTask%201%5D%5D%20%5B%5BTask%205%5D%5D%20%5B%5BContent%205%5D%5D%209
>>  
>> 
>>
>> There’s a few things I think worthy of note:
>>
>> * As far as I know, the creator of PESpot is not a software developer. 
>> Nonetheless, they’ve been able to build the system themselves (perhaps with 
>> the help of the community), rather than having to engage a software 
>> developer and then explain to them what they want. The difference is 
>> profound. When you engage an outsider to build your system you’ve 
>> introduced a communication gap into the system: experience shows that it is 
>> very hard to describe the requirements of a system that doesn’t exist yet. 
>> In contrast, with TiddlyWiki, the author was able to combine their own 
>> expertise in the domain with the ability to build the system by incremental 
>> trial and error. The incremental approach allows the author to learn by 
>> doing, and removes the need for them to be able to state the full 
>> requirements up front. For me, that is the enduring magic of TiddlyWiki: to 
>> empower people to build their own digital tools without being a 
>> conventional software developer
>>
>> * There’s really no business model for building tools that are so 
>> specific to a particular niche. It’s hard to imagine raising VC funding for 
>> a software company specialising in high school volleyball
>>
>> * Although the author was able to successfully build this tool in 
>> TiddlyWiki, it’s nature as a single file edition puts a limit on its ease 
>> of use. But imagine taking this same wiki and putting in on a server with 
>> user accounts and billing. Then the author could sell it as a service that 
>> individual high school volleyball coaches could sign up for
>>
>> So, I think that what is needed here is a sort of wholesale version of 
>> TiddlySpace that enables anyone to drop a working single file TiddlyWiki 
>> into the system and spin up a full multi-user environment, with user 
>> accounts, payments and so on.
>>
>> My immediate interest in this new model stems from the progress I’ve made 
>> with Federatial over the last year.  My current model is essentially 
>> selling bespoke TiddlyWiki-based products and services to business 
>> customers. The real value that customers are paying for is the custom 
>> development but there’s also a hosting component because I’m hosting some 
>> services on behalf of clients. The custom development services are not 
>> cheap because it is so labour intensive.
>>
>> My end game is to offer a conventional paid online service that gives 
>> users the features of TiddlyWiki in an easy-to-use and much more flexible 
>> online form. I’m currently using “Xememex” as the codename for this new 
>> service. (It comes from the term “memex” coined by Vannevar Bush in his 
>> 1945 essay “As We May Think”).
>>
>> My target audience for Xememex is not confined to 

[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread Riz


>
>
> But great tutorials are no use unless they can be FOUND long-term.  
>
> We should be cautious in my opinion in promoting work on tutorials unless 
> there is *a congruent method to get them Permanently Assured*. Otherwise 
> its sweat that may go nowhere. 
>
>
Someplacce like https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/wiki/tutorials ?

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Re: [tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao RichardWS

I will do a run through tomorrow as if I knew nothing. 

J, x

On Friday, 22 September 2017 23:34:56 UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith wrote:
>
> Ah, thanks Arlen - for some reason I missed the fact that each release had 
> all those different builds. I'll tweak the instructions again in a little 
> while.
>
> Josiah - my instructions are targeting the 'bundled' version. It's still a 
> bundle of 'source code' because that's all Javascript ever is (it never 
> gets compiled). At the moment, you need to
>
> 1. Install a program (node.js)
> 2. Download and extract a zip file
> 3. Edit a file and save it with a different name (you can copy and paste a 
> working set of text for this file from my tutorial)
> 4. Run the program - hopefully by double-clicking the file 'start.cmd' (if 
> you are on Windows)
>
> You should try it. It's pretty easy.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>

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Re: [tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
Ah, thanks Arlen - for some reason I missed the fact that each release had 
all those different builds. I'll tweak the instructions again in a little 
while.

Josiah - my instructions are targeting the 'bundled' version. It's still a 
bundle of 'source code' because that's all Javascript ever is (it never 
gets compiled). At the moment, you need to

1. Install a program (node.js)
2. Download and extract a zip file
3. Edit a file and save it with a different name (you can copy and paste a 
working set of text for this file from my tutorial)
4. Run the program - hopefully by double-clicking the file 'start.cmd' (if 
you are on Windows)

You should try it. It's pretty easy.

Regards,
Richard

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

2017-09-22 Thread Riz

So I have updated the Tekan ironing out the pointed bugs. The changes made 
are

1. Empty message when you have not loaded a board
2. Camel case as a board name won't be creating visibility issues any more.
3. Dragging and dropping to empy lists and last position of a list will be 
working. 
4. Draft tiddlers won't be showing up as duplicate lists.
5. When a card is dragged into another list, all other tags of said card 
will remain intact.
6. Lists will not retain the cards removed from the in the list field.


In addition, I have included three optional addon buttons for your perusal. 
1. Tiddler to board button: A view tool bar button that will enable you to 
view the current tiddler as a tekan board temporarily. All the tiddlers 
that carries the tag of current tiddler will become lists, and the next in 
hierarchy become cards, and the next will become checklist items. 
2. Board to Org Mode button: Helps you export the current board to Emacs 
org-mode format. 
3. Board to Org Mode button: Helps you export the current board to markdown 
task list format. 


And finally, I have left instructions for building custom buttons as per 
your needs. 


Installation is going to need an extra step this time, although. You need 
to delete all non shadow tiddlers that was part of Tekan package, but was 
later converted to system tiddlers. Go to Advanced Search > Filters tab. 
Seearch for "[prefix[$:/Tekan]]". using the delete button that shows up on 
the right to search field, delete them altogether. Now go to "
https://ibnishak.github.io/twstuff/projects/tekan/Tekan.html; and drag and 
drop the plugin.


Wahouh !! Amazing peace of work Riz !! I miss you with your css skill with 
> TW !!
>
> Thanks for sharing.
> Sylvain
>


@Sylvain

Thank you, that is generous of you :-)
I hope thinks are going well at the French side of things.  

Well done Riz!
>
> A very useful and good looking plugin.
>
>
> Best regards.
>
> Eskha
>

Thank you !!

@Reid

Thanks for the in-depth analysis. The bugs you mentioned have been murdered.

If the Trello UI were contained in a tiddler this way, it would 
> also be compatible with the built in "Open In New Window" feature.
>

It would have been perfect but for lack of a thing - modals. When you click 
on modal triggers in the new window, the modals open in the parent window. 
Since I have plans to drive a lot of functionality through modals, this 
would be difficult. Of course you can work around via entirely html popups. 
It takes time, and effort to that. In additon, there were minor 
irritations, like popups that won't go away despite clicking outside them 
and so on. 

 It uses an extra $droppable widget outside of the $list with two 
> elements inside, one which is invisible but always present to provide area 
> to drop onto, and a second which only shows up when it's parent dynamically 
> receives the "tc-dragover" class while an active drag is hovering. It will 
> be interesting to see what solution you choose.


I just wrapped the list footer in a droppable widget.

   My solution to this was to allow text content in the title (preferred to 
> be two or three words, or even better a unique ID), but also provide a new 
> field ("shorttext") in which users can type long sentences
>

The idea is perfect. In fact in my  Tekan standalone editon, I am following 
a similar path. However, when tekan is offered as a plugin, the scenario is 
different. I am of the opinion that plugins should not demand a change in 
behaviour from the user, rather should cater to existing pattern of usage. 
Tekan is intended to convert/view an existing TW5 in kanban mode, not urge 
them to start over in a different format. The measures where taken in that 
regard. In the afore-mentioned standalone editon, I have much more freedom 
to tweak and bundle more plugins.

   Since we are both interested in providing this function to TiddlyWiki, I 
> imagine a collaboration between us would go far.
>

Much as I would like to, I think if we work on our own projects, the 
community would have more options to choose from. We can always exchange 
ideas. I am looking forward to the release of Dropboard. 
Much work is pending on my end. Mobile platform demands a solution that is 
driven by "not-dragging-and-dropping". I would love to see a parser rule  
for a checkbox. Possobly switch wikitext with markdown, and so on. 



@TiddlyTweeter

   I'm VERY interested in the approach as a way to emulate visually 
> https://tweetdeck.twitter.com
>

It is not difficult actually. You just need someone with time and patience.

Why can't the Text field be displayed?
>
Reid's work already does this. I am halfway through that in another 
edition. So it is cool.

  Why not cover the way Pinterest & Tweetdeck work at the same time
>

If only we had infinite time to do all the things we love!!! :-)


sincerely
Riz

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Re: [tw] Re: BJ's Flexitype Plugin -- Can it help me be clean & lean?

2017-09-22 Thread BJ
Hi Jan,

with the tw5 parser double lines are used to break the text into blocks 
BEFORE any rules are applied, it is not possible to modify the rules for 
this.

 The parser can be given an extra regex, the regex is defined in 
$:/core/modules/parsers/wikiparser/wikiparser.js as 

new RegExp("(" + terminatorRegExpString + "|\\r?\\n\\r?\\n)","mg")

Where terminatorRegExpString can be given as a parameter to the 
parseBlock() function.

The flexitype plugin could be modified to set the 'terminatorRegExpString'' 
as a parameter to parserBlock(), see 
$:/core/modules/parsers/wikiparser/abstractwikiparser.js. 

But it could be a challenge to design this regex.

cheers

BJ

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 9:20:58 PM UTC+2, Jan wrote:
>
> Hi BJ, Hi Josiah,
> thanks for answering BJ and thanks for keeping on track Josiah...
> My attempt to format dialogues in the the screenwriting-plugin is 
> "hijacking"  TW's syntax for lists and headlines because I want a syntax 
> that does not need closing tags.
> In principle this works, my problem is, that it needs a blank line ( two 
> \n characters) two trigger these elements.
> Because this produces the risk that the formatting is broken by forgetting 
> the blank line, I would like to have a modified parser that triggers the 
> elements without a preceding blank line.
>
> I already looked at the modifications for headings and lists but I could 
> not find how to modifiy them to work that way...
> It would be great if you could help.
>
> Yours Jan.
>
>
>
> Am 22.09.2017 um 19:25 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Ciao again BJ
>
> A second part of this is strongly related to THIS thread: 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9Lf0YHfMUZk concerning 
> specific markup for "Fountain" screenplay styling, which I think you know 
> about?
>
> This is currently more an open question than a clear request. I'm not 
> expecting a clear answer. Just maybe a few clues :-).
>
> I was kinda wondering if one could use Fountain format regular expressions 
> in ONE go, in one javascript component rather having to make loads of 
> formatting rules by using your plugin? 
>
> Mark S. did a bunch of work around the Fountain format it but I think, 
> rightly, is sky of the somewhat esoteric complexity of the central TW 
> parsers. Screenplays are pretty simple layout though.
>
> I had wondered if your Flexitype could be used to help on that? On this 
> I'm unclear what to do or how. Any thoughts might help.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
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[tw] Re: Wikipedia like sidebar

2017-09-22 Thread whatever
Hey!
Sadly no. But if someone wants to transcode that for TW5, I'll be happy to 
help with advice.

w

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:13:48 PM UTC+2, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>
> Oh, sorry for not being explicit. I use TW5. By 'New Version' do you mean 
> a version for TW5?
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:47:30 PM UTC-4, whatever wrote:
>>
>> Hey!
>>
>> TW5 or TWC? For TWC, there's InfoboxTablesPlugin [1]. New version is 
>> pending, btw.
>>
>> [1] http://infoboxes.tiddlyspot.com 
>> 
>>
>> w
>>
>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 3:46:48 PM UTC+2, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. 
>>> The tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
>>> countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
>>> etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
>>> subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
>>> category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
>>> handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
>>> whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
>>> wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
>>> tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
>>> same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
>>> a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
>>> each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
>>> helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Wikipedia like sidebar

2017-09-22 Thread Corey Woodworth
Oh, sorry for not being explicit. I use TW5. By 'New Version' do you mean a 
version for TW5?

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:47:30 PM UTC-4, whatever wrote:
>
> Hey!
>
> TW5 or TWC? For TWC, there's InfoboxTablesPlugin [1]. New version is 
> pending, btw.
>
> [1] http://infoboxes.tiddlyspot.com 
> 
>
> w
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 3:46:48 PM UTC+2, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>>
>> A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. 
>> The tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
>> countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
>> etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
>> subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
>> category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
>> handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
>> whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
>> wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
>> tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
>> same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
>> a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
>> each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
>> helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread Ste Wilson
I always kept meaning to suggest you called it wizzard^2

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Re: [tw] Re: BJ's Flexitype Plugin -- Can it help me be clean & lean?

2017-09-22 Thread Jan

Hi BJ, Hi Josiah,
thanks for answering BJ and thanks for keeping on track Josiah...
My attempt to format dialogues in the the screenwriting-plugin is 
"hijacking"  TW's syntax for lists and headlines because I want a syntax 
that does not need closing tags.
In principle this works, my problem is, that it needs a blank line ( two 
\n characters) two trigger these elements.
Because this produces the risk that the formatting is broken by 
forgetting the blank line, I would like to have a modified parser that 
triggers the elements without a preceding blank line.


I already looked at the modifications for headings and lists but I could 
not find how to modifiy them to work that way...

It would be great if you could help.

Yours Jan.



Am 22.09.2017 um 19:25 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:

Ciao again BJ

A second part of this is strongly related to THIS thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9Lf0YHfMUZk 
concerning specific markup for "Fountain" screenplay styling, which I 
think you know about?


This is currently more an open question than a clear request. I'm not 
expecting a clear answer. Just maybe a few clues :-).


I was kinda wondering if one could use Fountain format regular 
expressions in ONE go, in one javascript component rather having to 
make loads of formatting rules by using your plugin?


Mark S. did a bunch of work around the Fountain format it but I think, 
rightly, is sky of the somewhat esoteric complexity of the central TW 
parsers. Screenplays are pretty simple layout though.


I had wondered if your Flexitype could be used to help on that? On 
this I'm unclear what to do or how. Any thoughts might help.


Best wishes
Josiah
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[tw] Re: In search of the perfect footnote plugin. What else does the Skeeves footnotefilter need?

2017-09-22 Thread Greg Molyneux
Jan and Thomas,

Forgive me for resurrecting this old thread, but I wanted to thank you both 
for the efforts you've put into the footnotes problem in TiddlyWiki, your 
work goes a long way to making this tool much more useful for me.  The 
contributions you've both made are simple, clean and elegant.  Mind you, by 
simple I mean in presentation, not in implementation - I could not have 
coded the beginnings of such a solution.

I've actually taken the code I'm using from Jan's implementation, and while 
I like the inline display of footnotes when selected, I've modified it's 
appearance back to something more similar to Thomas' in several small ways 
- a discrete background behind the footnote number in the tiddlers, a 
darker number itself, and I returned the ordered list in the footnote 
tiddler at the bottom of the story river to ease association with original 
tiddlers up the river.  The code in Thomas' implementation helped me 
achieve a look that suits me well in Jan's code.

In an unrelated post some time back, I saw a comment from Alberto Molina 
(another TW champion I'd like to wholeheartedly thank) about what he uses 
TW for.  He'd mentioned nearly finishing his thesis in Zotero and 
LibreOffice, and that TW was better served for notes, comments, ideas, etc. 
about the references he manages in Zotero.  I agree with this completely as 
there's no point in re-inventing the wheel.  Combined with TW and 
TiddlyMap, along with several other fantastic extensions and plugins this 
helps me coordinate, track, plan, and utilize data in ways I couldn't have 
managed before.

Zotero allows you to export to the clipboard a bibliographic entry for 
resources it contains, and this is ideal for attachment as a footnote 
entry.  It allows me to easily look up the original reference in Zotero, 
open it in a new tab from Zotero, and be about as integrated with TW as I'd 
really need.  Direct links would be nice, but as I understand it, Zotero 
will not for security reasons allow direct links back into its DB.

Note that I can almost use a direct link from Zotero, if I first 
right-click on an entry, select "Generate report from item..." and then 
copy the zotero:// link from the browser to use as a footnote.  This still 
requires me to copy/paste from my footnote into a new tab in my browser 
before being able to open the zotero report, and then I have to search for 
the original entry anyway, but it is another option for integration.

This email is the long way around to a short point.  I wanted to thank Jan, 
Thomas, Alberto, Felix, Jeremy, Tobias, and dozens of other remarkably 
talented people working with TiddlyWiki for the remarkable tool, and the 
fantastic extensions you've all provided.  While it takes a new user some 
time how to tie this all together, the possibilities are amazing.




On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:03:42 PM UTC-7, Jan wrote:
>
> Hello.
> I was very happy to find  Stephan Hradek´s footnote template and 
> especially the concept of the footnote filter (
> http://tiddlystuff.tiddlyspot.com/#Idea%20for%20a%20footnote%20filter).
> I would like to modify it in a way that it shows the footnotes of the 
> Tiddlers in the storyriver. I thought of this change:
>
> 
> <$list filter="[list[$:/StoryList]search[||footnote}}]each[title]]">
> <$view field="title"/>
> <$list filter="[is[current]match:text/\{\{(.*?)\|\|footnote\}\}/(g)]" 
> variable="footnote">
> <>
> 
> 
> 
>
> In skeeve's TiddlyStuff this works fine, you would get a pretty "Endnote 
> Tiddler".
>
> But importing the Tiddlers
> footnote  
> footnote.CSS  
> Footnotes  
> Idea for a footnote filter 
> 
> to my TW I encountered problems.
> Even Stephans original footnote filter just shows the title but not the 
> footnotes.
> So - Is there a secret ingredient?
>
> Thanks for help,
> Jan
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread Jed Carty
I made the documentation for thing I make in tiddlywiki.

The wizard wizard uses itself for 
documentation. https://ooktech.com/TiddlyWiki/WizardWizard/

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[tw] Re: Wikipedia like sidebar

2017-09-22 Thread whatever
Hey!

TW5 or TWC? For TWC, there's InfoboxTablesPlugin [1]. New version is 
pending, btw.

[1] http://infoboxes.tiddlyspot.com

w

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 3:46:48 PM UTC+2, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>
> A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. The 
> tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
> countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
> etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
> subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
> category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
> handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
> whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
> wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
> tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
> same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
> a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
> each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
> helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!
>

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[tw] Re: Wikipedia like sidebar

2017-09-22 Thread Corey Woodworth
Thank you, this is how I mostly imagined something like this might be 
implemented. I've not messed with View Templates or custom CSS tiddlers yet 
(though I am familiar with CSS more generically). I'll do some research and 
see if I might be able to do this on my own, but any additional guidance 
would certainly be appreciated!.

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:22:27 AM UTC-4, Lost Admin wrote:
>
> I don't know if such a thing exists, but a fairly simple way to create one 
> would be to make a View Template that generates a table from the fields of 
> a tiddler and displays them in a table. The view template could use a 
> custom CSS tiddler to size and place the table on the right.
>
> You can tie View Templates to specific tags, so you can make different 
> types of view templates for different types of tiddlers with different 
> fields.
>
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 9:46:48 AM UTC-4, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>>
>> A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. 
>> The tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
>> countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
>> etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
>> subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
>> category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
>> handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
>> whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
>> wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
>> tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
>> same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
>> a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
>> each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
>> helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread stefct4
Going a bit off-topic (in an already "off-topic" thread...), but are there 
any TiddlyWiki tutorials built with TW itself? In my imagination, each 
tiddler might contain some instructions and examples, and users would then 
be invited to solve tasks themselves in a "child tiddler" or the like. 

A bit similar to the "vimtutor" for vim (a popular Linux text editor), 
where people can try out the commands in the editor itself. 

Cheers,

Stef

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 1:13:38 PM UTC+2, Mat wrote:
>
> It would be good if we (the community) had some guidelines for how to 
> easily make TW tutorials etc. I'm primarily thinking of how to easily make 
> and publish videos.
>
>

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Re: [tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Arlen & RichardWS

>From my perspective there is the Ordinary User Version (me) and the Other 
Thing people who like node like.

*I think some emphasis on the ease of install of the "bundled" version that 
basically gives you the ability to save your TiddlyWiki and nothing else 
would be good*. I think it likely that it will be the BUNDLED version that 
will need to be understood most during the apocalypse.

Best wishes
Josiah

Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> There is the bundled version and there is the source code version. 
>

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[tw] Re: BJ's Flexitype Plugin -- Can it help me be clean & lean?

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao again BJ

A second part of this is strongly related to THIS thread: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/9Lf0YHfMUZk concerning 
specific markup for "Fountain" screenplay styling, which I think you know 
about?

This is currently more an open question than a clear request. I'm not 
expecting a clear answer. Just maybe a few clues :-).

I was kinda wondering if one could use Fountain format regular expressions 
in ONE go, in one javascript component rather having to make loads of 
formatting rules by using your plugin? 

Mark S. did a bunch of work around the Fountain format it but I think, 
rightly, is sky of the somewhat esoteric complexity of the central TW 
parsers. Screenplays are pretty simple layout though.

I had wondered if your Flexitype could be used to help on that? On this I'm 
unclear what to do or how. Any thoughts might help.

Best wishes
Josiah

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Re: [tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread Arlen Beiler
There is the bundled version and there is the source code version. Both are
on the release page. The source code version is generated by GitHub, which
I then download and add the node_modules folder to. This becomes the
bundled version. I explain how to use the bundled version in the readme as
well.

Yes, start.cmd can be used to run TiddlyServer on Windows.

Arlen

On Sep 22, 2017 08:01, "RichardWilliamSmith" 
wrote:

> Thanks Arlen,
>
>> I would tell them to run it using "node server" rather than "npm server"
>> unless you have a reason for doing it otherwise.
>>
>>
>
> That was a mistake. Fixed, thank you.
>
>
>> You only need the bookmarklet if the path to your files contains spaces.
>>
>>
>> Technically you only need it if the URL shown in the address bar once you
>> open the file contains spaces or the percent sign. This should be fixed in
>> TW5.1.15. File paths specified in settings.json are unrelated to this
>> problem. It is only the URL that the browser uses that has the problem.
>>
>> The reason for this is that the put saver URI encodes the browser
>> location string again before using it, which results in a double URI
>> encoded string.
>>
>> It's hard to know how to differentiate between the two when writing
>> instructions but I thought I'd point it out.
>>
>
> I dealt with similar double encoding problems when I was doing the static
> site stuff. I'll reword what I wrote.
>
>
>>
>> My only other question is whether you considered using the bundled
>> version and what your thoughts are on that. There are several reasons for
>> using the bundled version.
>>
>>- All the plugin tiddlers (including core) are compiled into one JSON
>>file per plugin. This drastically improves the load time for data folders,
>>especially on slower spinning disks, since it cuts down on the number of
>>files that need to be read.
>>- It does not include the editions folder -- which contains 2000+
>>files -- since none of them are needed for TiddlyServer to operate. This
>>cuts down on the file count and makes it much more portable.
>>- All node_modules dependancies are included (except dev
>>dependencies) so "npm install" is not required.
>>
>> Thanks again for your work on this. It looks nice and is well laid out.
>> If you would like to edit the README on the Github repository, you're
>> welcome to.
>>
>
> I hadn't realised that the zipped version was better in those other ways,
> but I did include instructions to download that version for people who
> aren't using git. Perhaps everyone should do it that way? I'll look. I'm
> also writing instructions for putting it on a Raspberry Pi and getting it
> there is much easier with "git clone" and "npm install".
>
> I'll look at again in the morning.
>
>
>>
>> I'll try to get to your pull request here soon.
>>
>>
> It's just a glorified shell-script launcher. Can you confirm that Windows
> users are able to launch Tiddlyserver by double-clicking start.cmd? Do they
> see the process run in a window? (if not, how do they stop it?)
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Arlen
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:05 AM, RichardWilliamSmith <
>> richardwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: https://www.dida
>>> xy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>>>
>>> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people
>>> as possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value
>>> your feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>>>
>>> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you
>>> don't mind?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Richard
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[tw] Re: BJ's Flexitype Plugin -- Can it help me be clean & lean?

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao BJ

In my mind is the idea of a "*Regex Workshop*" of sorts. It seems to me 
that TW could be superb for that. I'm still hazy on the details. But 
different ways of rendering tiddlers seems central to that.

By which I mean a pragmatic tool that helps (1) develop new layouts and (2) 
help extractions from the Tiddler text field. But TW native isn't good for 
that because you can't SEE what is going on easily and what the Regex is 
actually doing.

But even in a standard Tiddler  the largely undocumented ...

\rules except html

... shows HTML as plain text. That is very helpful when you need to know 
what is going on when you do extra Regexes into that "empty space". 

I'm looking, initially to use *your plugin* to support that kind of viewing 
of results, by defining a few different content types to switch between to 
check . 

*I'm assuming the plugin wipes down ALL pragma rules so you can then add 
back as you want or not? Right? And that the JSON configuration file 
defines what is added back?*

I can probably work it out because your documentation seems pretty clear to 
me. 

Let me play with it a bit, now I know for sure its 5.1.14 compliant--and if 
I hit a problem I'll let you know.

It looks really useful!

Best wishes & thanks
Josiah

BJ wrote:
>
> I have tried the demo with 5.1.14 and that works ok. You can define 
> numerous different types with this plugin to support different formating to 
> that provided in the core. 
>
> This is a general tool that can be configured in many ways, if you have a 
> example of what you want to support I can tell you the best way to do it.
>

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[tw] Re: BJ's Flexitype Plugin -- Can it help me be clean & lean?

2017-09-22 Thread BJ
Hi Josiah,
I have tried the demo with 5.1.14 and that works ok. You can define 
numerous different types with this plugin to support different formating to 
that provided in the core. 

This is a general tool that can be configured in many ways, if you have a 
example of what you want to support I can tell you the best way to do it.

All the best

BJ

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:38:50 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Has anyone used BJ's useful looking FLEXITYPE PLUGIN 
> ? 
>
> That plugin basically clears down the \rules pragmas and lets you define 
> new Content Types from ground zero. 
>
> I'm thinking of using it to ease AD HOC quick development of Content Types 
> for specific purposes--Like iterative extraction of the best lines from 
> Perry Mason TV scripts. 
>
> My questions ... 
>
> 1 - *Is it fully compatible with the latest TW*? The version on his site 
> is in TW 5.1.11.
>
> 2 - Any feedback from BJ, or anyone, who has used it on how well it works.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Sylvain

I suggest you update the notes on Vimeo that read ...

"Découvrez la principale nouvelle fonctionnalité de la prochaine version de 
> TiddlyWiki, v5.1.12"
>

If they are still relevant to the latest version I would not mention the 
specific version. The issue is if you leave it as .12 then it starts 
looking out of date, which it isn't.

Best wishes
Josiah

Sylvain Naudin wrote:
>
> I still have to find time, and it is for our French audience community, 
> I've done this Vimeo channel :
>
> https://vimeo.com/channels/tiddlywikifr
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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread Sylvain Naudin
Hello,

I still have to find time, and it is for our French audience community, 
I've done this Vimeo channel :

https://vimeo.com/channels/tiddlywikifr

(it's not just a matter about time, but my previous PC is pretty dead, and 
change my process).

Under Gnu/Linux I love SSR (Simple Screen Recorder). I've test many usual 
screecast program and it's my best experience. Then use mix with Inkscape 
for text and OpenShot. (but with ma dead PC, I had also some trouble with 
version 2.0 of OpenShot..).

Years ago, I've learn a lot with microsode Inkscape channel 
(screencasters.heathenx.org) and it's a complementary training material to 
wiki text content.

Regard,
Sylvain

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[tw] Re: Wikipedia like sidebar

2017-09-22 Thread Lost Admin
I don't know if such a thing exists, but a fairly simple way to create one 
would be to make a View Template that generates a table from the fields of 
a tiddler and displays them in a table. The view template could use a 
custom CSS tiddler to size and place the table on the right.

You can tie View Templates to specific tags, so you can make different 
types of view templates for different types of tiddlers with different 
fields.

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 9:46:48 AM UTC-4, Corey Woodworth wrote:
>
> A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. The 
> tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
> countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
> etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
> subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
> category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
> handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
> whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
> wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
> tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
> same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
> a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
> each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
> helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!
>

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[tw] Re: Another shot at kanban

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Reid & Riz

I want to brief comments now because you are both moving on with your 
Trello Variants so I want to get in early ... :-).

I'm VERY interested in the approach as a way to emulate visually 
https://tweetdeck.twitter.com 

Quick points ...

1 - Though you semi-cloning Trello I think you going a little bit too far 
on how you thinking about field content. Its potentially restrictive and 
would make my life difficult if i wanted to use if for presentation of 
Tweets. My Tweets are in the normal TEXT field in plain text. I don't want 
to have to move them EITHER to the Title field or a note field. *Why can't 
the Text field be displayed*? Okay maybe like this: *IF there is no note 
field created then the text field displays in plain text*? You get my idea. 
Otherwise you have to re-write everything just for those interfaces.

2 - I agree with Reid on Titles. IMO using the Title as a unique Index / id 
would make most sense. Taking my Twitter like example all Tiddlers are 
auto-sequentially numbered Tweet 1 ... Tweet XX. The Titles are NEVER 
displayed precisely because they ARE the index. 

Reid wrote: The title field is also how tiddlers are stored in lists. When 
> typing long sentences in many cards, this means list operations must handle 
> very many characters. My solution to this was to allow text content in the 
> title (preferred to be two or three words, or even better a unique ID), but 
> also provide a new field ("shorttext") in which users can type long 
> sentences or paragraphs without having to worry about performance problems. 
>

3 - the approach to columnised layout interests me as MUCH, more than, your 
thinking Trello-like. Why not cover the way Pinterest & Tweetdeck work at 
the same time :-)

Both of you
Many thanks for opening something up so EXCELLENT.

Best wishes
Josiah 

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread Lost Admin


On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 8:31:31 AM UTC-4, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> ... - I have to overcome my hatred of my own voice. ...
>

Adjust the pitch of your audio track track down 1% to 3% before listening 
to yourself. Nobody likes the sound of their own voice when recorded 
because your head acts as a natural base booster for your own talking. So 
you are used to hearing more base from yourself than other people hear.
 

> ... As far as tips and tricks for making instructional [video]s ...
>

Please include written instructions with lots of screenshots so that people 
following the tutorial don't have to constantly rewind/fast forward to 
figure out what they are supposed to be doing. A link to a tiddlywiki on 
how to do a specific think with tiddlywiki works great.
 

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[tw] Wikipedia like sidebar

2017-09-22 Thread Corey Woodworth
A lot of wikipedia topics have a sort of table on the right hand side. The 
tables are often formatted differently, for example, the table for 
countries has maps and flags and lists the current leader, capitol etc. 
etc. The sidebar for presidents have portraits and links to previous and 
subsequent presidents etc. However, most all of the sidebars in one 
category (like Presidents) are similar to each other. This is a really 
handy way to quickly get to and organize important small facts about 
whatever that page is about. This same sort of tool is used in many other 
wikis too, like on wikia, and memory alpha, because it is a very effective 
tool. Is there a simple way, or plugin for TiddlyWiki to accomplish the 
same thing? I know I could manually create a table, but that would involve 
a decent amount of initial work, followed by a LOT of copy and pasting for 
each similar tiddler. A plugin, or something similar would be hugely 
helpful in the regard, does something like that exist? Thanks!

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
PMario wrote:
>
> I did try Vimeo some time ago. They didn't let my upload 1080p content 
> with the free tier and the UX was terrible. So I went back to youtube. 
>

Footnote.

Vimeo is good if you are an adapt film-maker. Its orientated towards the 
higher end of the semi-professional market and some professionals--from 
whom it wants to make money. A LOT of how it works is completely obscure 
unless you hang-out there a lot. 

Josiah, x

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Ciao PMario

PMario wrote:
>
>  creating good videos is even more challenging but ... It's worth it!
>

Footnote ... 

FYI I'm a film-maker. I steer away from making online cheap videos because 
to make anything decent is a LOT of work. Its much more work than writing 
well.

IMO the use of ANIMATED GIF's embedded in text is one of the best 
combinations for making instructional materials. It forces the writer to 
hone intent. 

j, X

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread PMario
On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 2:31:31 PM UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> Hi Mat - this is a good idea. I should make a tutorial about how to make 
> tutorials. Then I could make a tutorial about how to make tutorials about 
> making tutorials. Than I could
>

:)
 

> Vimeo is good for video hosting. I potter about with it - I have to 
> overcome my hatred of my own voice.
>

I did try Vimeo some time ago. They didn't let my upload 1080p content with 
the free tier and the UX was terrible. So I went back to youtube. 
 
-m

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[tw] BJ's Flexitype Plugin -- Can it help me be clean & lean?

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Has anyone used BJ's useful looking FLEXITYPE PLUGIN 
? 

That plugin basically clears down the \rules pragmas and lets you define 
new Content Types from ground zero. 

I'm thinking of using it to ease AD HOC quick development of Content Types 
for specific purposes--Like iterative extraction of the best lines from 
Perry Mason TV scripts. 

My questions ... 

1 - *Is it fully compatible with the latest TW*? The version on his site is 
in TW 5.1.11.

2 - Any feedback from BJ, or anyone, who has used it on how well it works.

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
Hi Mat - this is a good idea. I should make a tutorial about how to make 
tutorials. Then I could make a tutorial about how to make tutorials about 
making tutorials. Than I could

It's late.

Have you tried Neocities for hosting? Super easy, drag and drop uploading, 
https, no sign-up (you can pay $5/month if you want to).

Vimeo is good for video hosting. I potter about with it - I have to 
overcome my hatred of my own voice.

The gifs in my latest tutorial are hosted on giphy and I use their desktop 
tool, giphy capture, to grab them. Unless they take longer than 30 seconds 
to create. Then I have to grab a video and edit it down, in which case, 
perversely, they have to then be under 15 seconds.

Hosting images is bizarrely hard because the sites are all either 'free'- 
ie; they just want to mine your data and/or show you adverts and aren't 
very keen on hosting images so that you can 'hotlink' them on your own 
website. Or they're 'not free', by which I mean 'surprisingly expensive' 
($45/month upwards) because (who knew) the internet isn't actually made out 
of love. It's made out of metal and electricity and that stuff's not free. 
In a way, Neocities at $5 a month is actually a good deal (hotlinking 
actually seems to without paying, contrary to what it says in the terms, 
but I guess they'd want their $5 if you started to get 10,000 hits a day)

Recording screen casts on a mac is really easy - you can just use quicktime 
and 'new screen recording' but if you're on windows, you probably have to 
download some random shareware from tucows :p (showing my age)

As far as tips and tricks for making instructionals, I haven't quite got 
there myself yet but I think the best way to do it is a three step process.

1. 'do it', don't worry about your performance at all - talk yourself 
through what you're doing
2. in a video editor, chop out everything that's not //visually// necessary
3. re-record the voice track - you can do this bit as many times as you 
need to and cut bits in

Maybe you don't need to cheat this way but for me it's just too hard to 
talk sensibly at the same time as doing the actual thing without making 
mistakes. Maybe I will get better with practice.

It would be really great if you were to make some tutorials. You could 
teach us all a lot about css (especially me, I'm terrible at it - have you 
seen css grid? I think it may be my saviour)

I'd love to see what other suggestions people have.

Regards,
Richard

On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 9:13:38 PM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> It would be good if we (the community) had some guidelines for how to 
> easily make TW tutorials etc. I'm primarily thinking of how to easily make 
> and publish videos.
>
> I.e recommended software, needed equipment, workflow, how and where to 
> publish stuff, tips and tricks, etc.
>
> IMO this could be part of the docs on tiddlywiki.com, perhaps in, or 
> 'parallel' to, the Helping TiddlyWiki 
>  tiddler. Even if this is not 
> about TW per se, it would for sure be valuable for the TW project.
>
> Perhaps also where/how to most easily publish a demo TW. We do have e.g 
> Sharing 
> a TW on DropBox 
> , 
> and Sharing your Tiddlers 
>  
> but 
> they're not really from the point of making instructions about TW.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
Thanks Arlen,

> I would tell them to run it using "node server" rather than "npm server" 
> unless you have a reason for doing it otherwise.
>  
>

That was a mistake. Fixed, thank you.
 

> You only need the bookmarklet if the path to your files contains spaces.
>
>
> Technically you only need it if the URL shown in the address bar once you 
> open the file contains spaces or the percent sign. This should be fixed in 
> TW5.1.15. File paths specified in settings.json are unrelated to this 
> problem. It is only the URL that the browser uses that has the problem. 
>
> The reason for this is that the put saver URI encodes the browser location 
> string again before using it, which results in a double URI encoded string.
>
> It's hard to know how to differentiate between the two when writing 
> instructions but I thought I'd point it out.
>

I dealt with similar double encoding problems when I was doing the static 
site stuff. I'll reword what I wrote.
 

>
> My only other question is whether you considered using the bundled version 
> and what your thoughts are on that. There are several reasons for using the 
> bundled version.
>
>- All the plugin tiddlers (including core) are compiled into one JSON 
>file per plugin. This drastically improves the load time for data folders, 
>especially on slower spinning disks, since it cuts down on the number of 
>files that need to be read. 
>- It does not include the editions folder -- which contains 2000+ 
>files -- since none of them are needed for TiddlyServer to operate. This 
>cuts down on the file count and makes it much more portable. 
>- All node_modules dependancies are included (except dev dependencies) 
>so "npm install" is not required. 
>
> Thanks again for your work on this. It looks nice and is well laid out. If 
> you would like to edit the README on the Github repository, you're welcome 
> to.
>

I hadn't realised that the zipped version was better in those other ways, 
but I did include instructions to download that version for people who 
aren't using git. Perhaps everyone should do it that way? I'll look. I'm 
also writing instructions for putting it on a Raspberry Pi and getting it 
there is much easier with "git clone" and "npm install".

I'll look at again in the morning.
 

>
> I'll try to get to your pull request here soon.
>
>
It's just a glorified shell-script launcher. Can you confirm that Windows 
users are able to launch Tiddlyserver by double-clicking start.cmd? Do they 
see the process run in a window? (if not, how do they stop it?)

Regards,
Richard

 

> Thanks,
> Arlen
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:05 AM, RichardWilliamSmith <
> richardwi...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: 
>> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>>
>> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as 
>> possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your 
>> feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>>
>> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
>> don't mind?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard
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[tw] Re: [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
Mat

I agree.

Part of the problem is lack of a BRIDGE between obvious concern here that 
we are not really documenting what we do well--EVEN THOUGH, in many ways 
the posts in this group are often a clear basis for more permanent 
documentation. With a bit of love & a bit of tech many ways to docs could 
come IMO.

Today, for instance, RichardWS just posted a link to a good tutorial he 
wrote on installing TiddlyServer. IMO stuff like that needs pinning--OR, 
getting quickly linked to from tiddlywiki.com. 

The relentless flow of GG definitely needs offsetting by some kind of 
Permanent Assurance. In video. In text. And FINDABLE quickly. More upfront.

Best wishes
Josiah

Mat wrote:
>
> It would be good if we (the community) had some guidelines for how to 
> easily make TW tutorials etc. I'm primarily thinking of how to easily make 
> and publish videos.
>

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[tw] Query: \rules pragma auto-formatting & switching it OFF

2017-09-22 Thread @TiddlyTweeter
These are initial queries about the *\rules* pragma.

If I understand correctly you can switch OFF formatting gizmos (i.e. those 
starting 
$:/core/modules/parsers/wikiparser/rules/ ) Tiddler by Tiddler like 
this?

\rules except html

or 

\rules only html

Its not so well documented.

*USE CASE:* *My interest is in AD-HOC ability to use Regular Expressions to 
create different custom types of layout more easily--and without recourse 
to having to deal with JavaScript--and in a way that is less likely to eat 
my wiki.  *

*ISSUE: **I find it too complex for a ONE-OFF series of RegularExpression 
replaces to have to do the JavaScript route* where you have multiple rules 
you'd have to cope with. I'd also,myself, be like an inefficient monkey at 
a typewriter if I had to cope with re-modelling JavaScript since its mostly 
incomprehensible to me. Its not viable for quick AD-HOC work.

In test series of a replace pragma (Skeeve's) in one tiddler seem to be 
able to achieve what I need for AD-HOC purposes. And, most important, you 
can very easily edit them if they in a normal Tiddler.

*BACKGROUND:* I have been using Skeeve's somewhat dangerous Replace Pragma 
. But it does have the 
advantage that it *allows straight use of RegularExpressions in standard 
JavaScript format*. In testing I been using an external program to develop 
the RegEx (to avoid TW lockups) and then put them the into a Skeeve \rule. 
So far that has worked well. However, under the surface, Skeeve can do some 
damage unless you switch off normal automated rules otherwise the Tiddler 
can start getting in a knot. 

Longer term I'd use Mark S'. recent evolution of RegEx replace for any 
schema I wanted more permanent 
. It's 
a little more complex than Skeeve but is safer and kosher.

OKAY ... so, WHAT are my questions?

1 - *I'd like to understand better exactly what you can and can't switch 
off in the \rules pragma*. Is there documentation somewhere? I looked, I 
couldn't find much.

2 - Is there a global SWITCH-OFF (except the \rules pragma itself) 
available?

3 - I'd appreciate any thoughts about *whether my understanding is correct* 
on configuration options of the gizmos (Tiddler by Tiddler) that auto 
create the HTML & CSS? I'm somewhat groping in the dark.

Best wishes
Josiah  

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Re: [tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread Arlen Beiler
Hello Richard,
Looks great. I was thinking of doing this recently but hadn't taken the
time to do it. This is great. I do have a few comments.

I would tell them to run it using "node server" rather than "npm server"
unless you have a reason for doing it otherwise.


> You only need the bookmarklet if the path to your files contains spaces.


Technically you only need it if the URL shown in the address bar once you
open the file contains spaces or the percent sign. This should be fixed in
TW5.1.15. File paths specified in settings.json are unrelated to this
problem. It is only the URL that the browser uses that has the problem.

The reason for this is that the put saver URI encodes the browser location
string again before using it, which results in a double URI encoded string.

It's hard to know how to differentiate between the two when writing
instructions but I thought I'd point it out.

My only other question is whether you considered using the bundled version
and what your thoughts are on that. There are several reasons for using the
bundled version.

   - All the plugin tiddlers (including core) are compiled into one JSON
   file per plugin. This drastically improves the load time for data folders,
   especially on slower spinning disks, since it cuts down on the number of
   files that need to be read.
   - It does not include the editions folder -- which contains 2000+ files
   -- since none of them are needed for TiddlyServer to operate. This cuts
   down on the file count and makes it much more portable.
   - All node_modules dependancies are included (except dev dependencies)
   so "npm install" is not required.

Thanks again for your work on this. It looks nice and is well laid out. If
you would like to edit the README on the Github repository, you're welcome
to.

I'll try to get to your pull request here soon.

Thanks,
Arlen

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:05 AM, RichardWilliamSmith <
richardwilliamsm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: https://www.
> didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>
> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as
> possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your
> feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>
> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you
> don't mind?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
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[tw] [off topic] We need guides on how to make tutorials etc

2017-09-22 Thread Mat
It would be good if we (the community) had some guidelines for how to 
easily make TW tutorials etc. I'm primarily thinking of how to easily make 
and publish videos.

I.e recommended software, needed equipment, workflow, how and where to 
publish stuff, tips and tricks, etc.

IMO this could be part of the docs on tiddlywiki.com, perhaps in, or 
'parallel' to, the Helping TiddlyWiki 
 tiddler. Even if this is not 
about TW per se, it would for sure be valuable for the TW project.

Perhaps also where/how to most easily publish a demo TW. We do have e.g Sharing 
a TW on DropBox 
, 
and Sharing your Tiddlers 
 
but 
they're not really from the point of making instructions about TW.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread Mat
Thank you Richard! If I get a chance this weekend I'll try to follow this.

<:-)


On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:05:54 PM UTC+2, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wrote a short tutorial on Tiddlyserver: 
> https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver
>
> Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as 
> possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your 
> feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.
>
> I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
> don't mind?
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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[tw] Introduction to Tiddlyserver

2017-09-22 Thread RichardWilliamSmith
Hi all,

I wrote a short tutorial on 
Tiddlyserver: https://www.didaxy.com/introduction-to-tiddlyserver

Tiddlyserver is awesome and I want to try and make sure as many people as 
possible can use it, as effortlessly as possible, so I'd really value your 
feedback on anything that you think can be made clearer.

I'd obviously especially value Arlen's feedback and input - I hope you 
don't mind?

Regards,
Richard

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