[tw] Re: How to? Button in editor for automatic inserting picture with special attributes

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The built-in ones are part of core plugins. Use the advanced search under 
shadows to look for $:/tags/TextEditor/Snippet . Open each tiddler you 
don't want to show and delete it's tag ($:/tags/TextEditor/Snippet). If you 
ever want them back, you can look for $:/language/Snippets under the system 
tab. Find the one's you want to restore and (ironically) delete them. When 
you delete them, the shadow versions come back into play.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 4:22:59 PM UTC-8, Surya wrote:
>
> No, I didn't know it before- I wondered for what it could be and thought I 
> don't need it, because of the possibility of the quick way of copy & paste.
>
> Fine :-) Thanks!
>
> If I don't need the other text snippets there, can I delete them without 
> disadvantage? (I would copy the text of them into one "Help"-tiddler, so 
> that I can always create them again, if I need them one time).
>

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[tw] Re: Import Twine into Tiddlywiki

[Evan Balster]

Hey, Jesse —

There's an upgrade path from Classic to TW5, but I suspect Twine customizes 
the wiki in ways that wouldn't survive the upgrade.  If you want to 
datamine the Twine game, the upgrade might still be helpful, but if you 
want to display it in the other wiki, you're probably best off using an 
iframe or something.

Who's this games company building a knowledgebase in TiddlyWiki?  :D  
Fellow game developer here.

On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:10:22 UTC-6, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Rats. That doesn't help at all. Company's knowledge base is in 
> Tiddlywiki5. Would take too much work to covert it to classic. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:58:13 PM UTC-5, Evan Balster wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Jesse —
>>
>> Make sure you're using TiddlyWiki Classic.  As far as I understand, TWINE 
>> never transitioned to using the new TiddlyWiki 5, so it won't be compatible.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:15:58 UTC-6, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I tried importing a published story file into Tiddlywiki and it didn't 
>>> open properly. When I re-published it in Sugarcube instead, it gave me 
>>> enable Javascript message. I'm using it to build callflows for work and I 
>>> didn't want users to go into a separate tab to access the flow.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:20:21 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:

 jesse,

 Please be a little more descriptive on your needs, A Quick Google gave 
 me?

 *There are two kinds of files that Twine works with: story files, which 
 are editable versions of your stories that you can only open with Twine, 
 and output files, which are read-only versions that can be opened in a Web 
 browser. While you write your story, you make changes to your story file, 
 then check to see what the output file looks like. When you're done, you 
 can post your output file to a Web site or e-mail it to others.*

 So what are you trying to do?

 Get a new empty tiddlywiki and experiment.

 Have you tried to import a twine file into tiddlywiki, or even simply 
 open it in an editor and cut and paste into a tiddler?, try to drag and 
 drop a file into tiddlywiki and see what happens.

 I suspect hidden in your question is the desire by you to write in a 
 twine format your own stories and this may be achieved in tiddlywiki, but 
 then you are effectively proposing other markdown or markup language. 
 There 
 are other examples of this discussed in the forums such as for script 
 writing. 

 Searching the forum for twine gave a number of hits such as 
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/twine%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/GOiIWbRSKZQ/Z_RnuCkxAQAJ

 Perhaps someone in the community has already explored twine files so 
 let us see if they respond.

 Tony

 On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:39:49 UTC+11, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
>
> I wanted to see if there is a way to import a Twine file into a 
> Tiddlywiki site. How would I go about doing that? 
>


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[tw] Re: How to? Button in editor for automatic inserting picture with special attributes

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

No, I didn't know it before- I wondered for what it could be and thought I 
don't need it, because of the possibility of the quick way of copy & paste.

Fine :-) Thanks!

If I don't need the other text snippets there, can I delete them without 
disadvantage? (I would copy the text of them into one "Help"-tiddler, so 
that I can always create them again, if I need them one time).

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[tw] Re: How to? Button in editor for automatic inserting picture with special attributes

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

You probably already know about the stamp tool on the editor bar that can 
insert pieces of text. That would be the quick way to add the ability to 
the editor.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:34:48 PM UTC-8, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> does really nobody know a command for putting the text
>
> 
> Your text goes here
> 
>
> in a tiddler?
>
> Regards, Bettina
>

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[tw] Re: How to? Button in editor for automatic inserting picture with special attributes

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi,

does really nobody know a command for putting the text


Your text goes here


in a tiddler?

Regards, Bettina

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[tw] Re: How to make the editor-toolbar always be visible with long tiddlers but with preview simultaneously scrolling?

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Okay,

I tested them all- they all don't work for me :-(

Most of my tiddlers in all my wikis are very small. But some are longer and 
cannot be broken down into pieces (small stories, how-to's).

But okay, I don't die, if a sticky editor toolbar isn't possible for my 
few occasions. it just would have been nice to have.

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

[tobaisch]

This is a really cool button. 
Thanks a lot!

 

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

PS: Here's the code to help make all those sfx fields. Be sure to make a 
back-up first in case I've made a mistake or your data is different somehow:

<$button>Create suffix field
<$list filter="[has[nr]]">
<$list filter="[all[current]removeprefix{!!nr}]" variable="sfx">
<$action-setfield  sfx=<>/>




-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:25:27 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> For 800 tiddlers it would add about 8k. Which compared to the baseline 2.5 
> meg size of TW5 is little.
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:19:03 PM UTC-8, tobaisch wrote:
>>
>> hello coda coder,
>> thanks, but it doesnt work too.
>>
>> @Mark
>>  
>>
>>> So add a field that also contains the suffix 
>>>
>>
>> Is not that a waste of data? I then have twice the suffix once in the 
>> title and once in the field. With 800 Tiddlers that makes a difference.
>> I rather thought of deleting the prefix (this is faster in Notepad ++) 
>> and then adding the field "nr" in the view of the standard search.
>> I have to think through all variants again.
>> And maybe even a clever head will come around here and find a solution?
>> Mark, what do you say to my questions?
>> Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
>> removeprefix?
>> Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
>> searchable with the standard search?
>> Thanks
>> Regards
>> Tob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

For 800 tiddlers it would add about 8k. Which compared to the baseline 2.5 
meg size of TW5 is little.

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 2:19:03 PM UTC-8, tobaisch wrote:
>
> hello coda coder,
> thanks, but it doesnt work too.
>
> @Mark
>  
>
>> So add a field that also contains the suffix 
>>
>
> Is not that a waste of data? I then have twice the suffix once in the 
> title and once in the field. With 800 Tiddlers that makes a difference.
> I rather thought of deleting the prefix (this is faster in Notepad ++) and 
> then adding the field "nr" in the view of the standard search.
> I have to think through all variants again.
> And maybe even a clever head will come around here and find a solution?
> Mark, what do you say to my questions?
> Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
> removeprefix?
> Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
> searchable with the standard search?
> Thanks
> Regards
> Tob
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

[tobaisch]

>
> So add a field that also contains the suffix 
>

Is not that a waste of data? I then have twice the suffix once in the title 
and once in the field. With 800 Tiddlers that makes a difference.
I rather thought of deleting the prefix (this is faster in Notepad ++) and 
then adding the field "nr" in the view of the standard search.
I have to think through all variants again.
And maybe even a clever head will come around here and find a solution?
Mark, what do you say to my questions?
Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
removeprefix?
Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
searchable with the standard search?
Thanks
Regards
Tob




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[tw] Re: Import Twine into Tiddlywiki

[jesse . bradley . assistrx]

Rats. That doesn't help at all. Company's knowledge base is in Tiddlywiki5. 
Would take too much work to covert it to classic. 

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 1:58:13 PM UTC-5, Evan Balster wrote:
>
> Hey, Jesse —
>
> Make sure you're using TiddlyWiki Classic.  As far as I understand, TWINE 
> never transitioned to using the new TiddlyWiki 5, so it won't be compatible.
>
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:15:58 UTC-6, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> I tried importing a published story file into Tiddlywiki and it didn't 
>> open properly. When I re-published it in Sugarcube instead, it gave me 
>> enable Javascript message. I'm using it to build callflows for work and I 
>> didn't want users to go into a separate tab to access the flow.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:20:21 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> jesse,
>>>
>>> Please be a little more descriptive on your needs, A Quick Google gave 
>>> me?
>>>
>>> *There are two kinds of files that Twine works with: story files, which 
>>> are editable versions of your stories that you can only open with Twine, 
>>> and output files, which are read-only versions that can be opened in a Web 
>>> browser. While you write your story, you make changes to your story file, 
>>> then check to see what the output file looks like. When you're done, you 
>>> can post your output file to a Web site or e-mail it to others.*
>>>
>>> So what are you trying to do?
>>>
>>> Get a new empty tiddlywiki and experiment.
>>>
>>> Have you tried to import a twine file into tiddlywiki, or even simply 
>>> open it in an editor and cut and paste into a tiddler?, try to drag and 
>>> drop a file into tiddlywiki and see what happens.
>>>
>>> I suspect hidden in your question is the desire by you to write in a 
>>> twine format your own stories and this may be achieved in tiddlywiki, but 
>>> then you are effectively proposing other markdown or markup language. There 
>>> are other examples of this discussed in the forums such as for script 
>>> writing. 
>>>
>>> Searching the forum for twine gave a number of hits such as 
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/twine%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/GOiIWbRSKZQ/Z_RnuCkxAQAJ
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone in the community has already explored twine files so let 
>>> us see if they respond.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:39:49 UTC+11, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:

 I wanted to see if there is a way to import a Twine file into a 
 Tiddlywiki site. How would I go about doing that? 

>>>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

That won't work because it will only remove the prefix stored in the nr 
field of the calling tiddler. 

It only takes a couple of tiddlers to test. Attached.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 11:37:52 AM UTC-8, coda coder wrote:
>
> Try this (untested)
>
> <$list 
> filter="[all[current]has[nr]removeprefix{!!nr}sort[]addprefix{!!nr}]">
><$list filter="[all[current]removeprefix{!!nr}]" variable="thisTiddler">
><$link to=<>> <$text text=<>/> 
>  
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 12:55:06 PM UTC-6, tobaisch wrote:
>>
>>
>> All the sorting occurs in the outer loop. But there's no mechanism to 
>>> sort by a portion of the title.
>>>
>>
>> Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
>> removeprefix?
>> I can remove the numbers from the title, but undoing them will be very 
>> difficult.
>> I have already a field "nr" with the numbers.
>>
>> Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
>> searchable with the standard search?
>> Regards
>> Tob
>>
>

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[tw] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

[BurningTreeC]

there you go with some music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc

Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 20:27:14 UTC+1 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Jodlerklub Wiesenberg & Francine Jordi mit Das Feyr vo dr Sehnsucht 
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pY0xb9PrbY
>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

The nr number contains the prefix, right? But you want to sort by the 
suffix?

So add a field that also contains the suffix (perhaps sfx). 

You don't have to change the title. You can then sort by the sfx field and 
display it but link to the title field.

The list code might look like:

<$list filter="[has[sfx]sort[sfx]]">
<$link><$view field=sfx/>


-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 10:55:06 AM UTC-8, tobaisch wrote:
>
>
> All the sorting occurs in the outer loop. But there's no mechanism to sort 
>> by a portion of the title.
>>
>
> Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
> removeprefix?
> I can remove the numbers from the title, but undoing them will be very 
> difficult.
> I have already a field "nr" with the numbers.
>
> Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
> searchable with the standard search?
> Regards
> Tob
>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

[coda coder]

Try this (untested)

<$list 
filter="[all[current]has[nr]removeprefix{!!nr}sort[]addprefix{!!nr}]">
   <$list filter="[all[current]removeprefix{!!nr}]" variable="thisTiddler">
   <$link to=<>> <$text text=<>/> 
 
   





On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 12:55:06 PM UTC-6, tobaisch wrote:
>
>
> All the sorting occurs in the outer loop. But there's no mechanism to sort 
>> by a portion of the title.
>>
>
> Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
> removeprefix?
> I can remove the numbers from the title, but undoing them will be very 
> difficult.
> I have already a field "nr" with the numbers.
>
> Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
> searchable with the standard search?
> Regards
> Tob
>

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[tw] Re: A Song for the Joy of It

[Thomas Elmiger]

Swiss music? Here you are :–D
https://youtu.be/8Hr3GBHRRSk

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[tw] Re: [TW5] "Muuri-Touch" plugin

[BurningTreeC]

Hello community!

I've put an updated version online (v0.0.10)

it's focus is pinch-zoom on tiddlers to set different widths. If you like 
testing, please do so, I'd be thankful if you give me a short report if you 
find errors or strange behaviour

The tiddlers now should preserve their widths you set when zooming, also 
after dragging and after reloading the wiki (if you have a testing wiki 
with the plugin)

I don't know if I should make a small indicator ( a dot or so.. ) on 
tiddlers that have fixed widths that's clickable to remove the fixed width

cheers, BurningTreeC

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[tw] Re: Import Twine into Tiddlywiki

[Evan Balster]

Hey, Jesse —

Make sure you're using TiddlyWiki Classic.  As far as I understand, TWINE 
never transitioned to using the new TiddlyWiki 5, so it won't be compatible.

On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 12:15:58 UTC-6, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I tried importing a published story file into Tiddlywiki and it didn't 
> open properly. When I re-published it in Sugarcube instead, it gave me 
> enable Javascript message. I'm using it to build callflows for work and I 
> didn't want users to go into a separate tab to access the flow.
>
> On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:20:21 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> jesse,
>>
>> Please be a little more descriptive on your needs, A Quick Google gave me?
>>
>> *There are two kinds of files that Twine works with: story files, which 
>> are editable versions of your stories that you can only open with Twine, 
>> and output files, which are read-only versions that can be opened in a Web 
>> browser. While you write your story, you make changes to your story file, 
>> then check to see what the output file looks like. When you're done, you 
>> can post your output file to a Web site or e-mail it to others.*
>>
>> So what are you trying to do?
>>
>> Get a new empty tiddlywiki and experiment.
>>
>> Have you tried to import a twine file into tiddlywiki, or even simply 
>> open it in an editor and cut and paste into a tiddler?, try to drag and 
>> drop a file into tiddlywiki and see what happens.
>>
>> I suspect hidden in your question is the desire by you to write in a 
>> twine format your own stories and this may be achieved in tiddlywiki, but 
>> then you are effectively proposing other markdown or markup language. There 
>> are other examples of this discussed in the forums such as for script 
>> writing. 
>>
>> Searching the forum for twine gave a number of hits such as 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/twine%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/GOiIWbRSKZQ/Z_RnuCkxAQAJ
>>
>> Perhaps someone in the community has already explored twine files so let 
>> us see if they respond.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:39:49 UTC+11, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wanted to see if there is a way to import a Twine file into a 
>>> Tiddlywiki site. How would I go about doing that? 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

[tobaisch]

> All the sorting occurs in the outer loop. But there's no mechanism to sort 
> by a portion of the title.
>

Are you 100% sure that there is no possibility for sorting after 
removeprefix?
I can remove the numbers from the title, but undoing them will be very 
difficult.
I have already a field "nr" with the numbers.

Is there another field beside the title field which is (or can be make) 
searchable with the standard search?
Regards
Tob

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[tw] Re: Import Twine into Tiddlywiki

[jesse . bradley . assistrx]

I tried importing a published story file into Tiddlywiki and it didn't open 
properly. When I re-published it in Sugarcube instead, it gave me enable 
Javascript message. I'm using it to build callflows for work and I didn't 
want users to go into a separate tab to access the flow.

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 5:20:21 PM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> jesse,
>
> Please be a little more descriptive on your needs, A Quick Google gave me?
>
> *There are two kinds of files that Twine works with: story files, which 
> are editable versions of your stories that you can only open with Twine, 
> and output files, which are read-only versions that can be opened in a Web 
> browser. While you write your story, you make changes to your story file, 
> then check to see what the output file looks like. When you're done, you 
> can post your output file to a Web site or e-mail it to others.*
>
> So what are you trying to do?
>
> Get a new empty tiddlywiki and experiment.
>
> Have you tried to import a twine file into tiddlywiki, or even simply open 
> it in an editor and cut and paste into a tiddler?, try to drag and drop a 
> file into tiddlywiki and see what happens.
>
> I suspect hidden in your question is the desire by you to write in a twine 
> format your own stories and this may be achieved in tiddlywiki, but then 
> you are effectively proposing other markdown or markup language. There are 
> other examples of this discussed in the forums such as for script writing. 
>
> Searching the forum for twine gave a number of hits such as 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/twine%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/GOiIWbRSKZQ/Z_RnuCkxAQAJ
>
> Perhaps someone in the community has already explored twine files so let 
> us see if they respond.
>
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 03:39:49 UTC+11, jesse.bradl...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> I wanted to see if there is a way to import a Twine file into a 
>> Tiddlywiki site. How would I go about doing that? 
>>
>

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Re: [tw] Unwanted Behavior:"\rules except" in transclusions

[_f]

Hello Jeremy

The View widget seems to bee a good alternative!  Thank you very much for 
your response.

Fuchs

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There is no "sort from position N" filter. Perhaps you could make a Pull 
Request for one.

It's possible that someone has made a 3rd party tool for this.

Use separate fields for the parts of the title and your problems will 
disappear.

You can't watch TV on your 2018 multi-cooker, nor send a message to the ISS 
via paper airplane. All technology has limits of some sort.

-- Mark

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 7:58:39 AM UTC-8, tobaisch wrote:
>
> What about a sorting from position n?
> So I sort before the removal of the numbers
> Today we can make livestreams with any smartphone to the ISS and cars 
> they driving alone but no sorting of letters in a list! :)
> Regards
> Tob
>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

[tobaisch]

What about a sorting from position n?
So I sort before the removal of the numbers
Today we can make livestreams with any smartphone to the ISS and cars they 
driving alone but no sorting of letters in a list? :)
Regards
Tob

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[tw] Re: How to make the editor-toolbar always be visible with long tiddlers but with preview simultaneously scrolling?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think this thread (which you have already seen) has the best selection of 
possibilities:

  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/xO-lhnwYyZs

There is also this discussion on making the toolbar sticky:

  https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/QcKMCNWeRpY/m5sPjM2TAwAJ

In general, tiddlers are supposed to be small enough that this is never a 
problem. So a possibility is to break your text into editiable chunks that 
get viewed by a separate tiddler.

-- Mark 

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 3:05:07 PM UTC-8, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> a happy new year :-)
>
> Sorry for late answering- I didn't had any time working on my wikis or to 
> try your suggest.
>
> No, that didn't work
> They still scroll separately and the editor toolbar is not always visible, 
> it disappears with scrolling down.
>
> I tried it also with top: 100 - top 1000.
>
> .tc-editor-toolbar {
>   position:sticky;
>   position: -webkit-sticky;
>   position: sticky;
>   top: 500px; /* distance to stick from top, e.g if you use top bar */
>   left:0;
>   width:100%;
>   font-size:.90em; 
>   padding:0;
>   border:5px solid transparent;
>   background: white;
>   z-index: 1;
> }
>
>
>
> Maybe it is important for you to know: I use the PopupTagger - TagBar / 
> TagTable with popup list of tags.
>
> ..?
>

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[tw] Re: removeprefix

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

All the sorting occurs in the outer loop. But there's no mechanism to sort 
by a portion of the title.

Putting multiple pieces of information into a single field (the title) 
causes headaches.

This is why I suggested creating a field to sort by in each tiddler. 

-- Mark

On Tuesday, January 2, 2018 at 11:32:16 PM UTC-8, tobaisch wrote:
>
> U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E
> thank you so much.
> It works as it should.
> And I can also use it as a template.
> But the sorting does not work anymore.
> It sorted according to the numbers like before, but should now sort by the 
> first letters. 
> I tried to put the nsort[] at all sorts of position after removeprefix 
> but had no success.
> Hmm?
> Regards
> Tob.
>

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Re: [tw] Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Tony

> Really? You don’t see any material improvements between TWC and TW5?

Sorry if my comment was in turn a little harsh; my perspective is a little
different...

I love TWC, and I love that the design of the core is just the minimal dom
mangling necessary to provide the desired user experience for navigation.
That's pretty much all there is, and any non-trivial
extensions/customisations generally require using plugins. But it's a
wildly successful design, particularly because it's been easy for other
developers to understand. The wonder of TWC is its longevity and utility.

TW5, in contrast, is an attempt to create a general purpose "rendering
engine" that spans narrative prose and user interface declarations,
allowing the entire user interface to be customised as easily as writing
wikitext. The evidence for its success is in the number of requests here on
the group that we can answer without recourse to plugins. There's no doubt
that the TW5 core is a richer set of primitives than TWC. The wonder of TW5
is that it is a practical solution, as well as an internally satisfying one.

No doubt there are an infinite number of ways to implement something like
TiddlyWiki, but TWC and TW5 seem to me to embody two particularly
interesting "local maxima": interconnected of trade-offs between competing
design approaches.

Best wishes

Jeremy









On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> On 3 Jan 2018, at 05:49, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> It's unfortunately true that developers often think in terms of state of
> the art technology.
>
>
> That’s pretty harsh. I use a 2013 laptop every day, and my home computer
> is a 2010 Mac Mini.
>
> It would be interesting to know what features caused the 4x increase in
> the core, despite dropping support for Jquery.
>
>
> Really? You don’t see any material improvements between TWC and TW5?
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>


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Re: [tw] Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> On 3 Jan 2018, at 05:49, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's unfortunately true that developers often think in terms of state of the 
> art technology.

That’s pretty harsh. I use a 2013 laptop every day, and my home computer is a 
2010 Mac Mini.

> It would be interesting to know what features caused the 4x increase in the 
> core, despite dropping support for Jquery.

Really? You don’t see any material improvements between TWC and TW5?

Best wishes

Jeremy.


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Re: [tw] Re: Tiddly Extension for Firefox 57?

[PMario]

On Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 6:49:34 AM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote: 

>   It would be interesting to know what features caused the 4x increase in 
> the core, despite dropping support for Jquery.
>

Basically we traded size for convenience and configurability. 

With TWclassic, you have 5 main tiddlers, that define the whole UI. 
PageTemplate, ViewTemplate,  EditTemplate and 2 bigger StyleSheet tiddlers. 

Whenever you want to change something there, you'll need to overwrite the 
core tiddlers. 
 - This makes updating much more complicated, than today.
 - If you make a small mistake, you'll completely mess up your UI, to a 
degree, where it is unusable.

TW5 has configuration parameters, for most of the changes, that where 
common in TWc. eg: most button visibilities are configurable now. 
ControlPanel alone has ~30 pages. 

emptyTW5.html has: 

 - 227 config tiddlers, that are active by default. 
 - 10+ ViewTemplate related tiddlers
 - 12+ EditTemplate related tiddlers
 - 9+ PageTemplate related tiddlers
 - 1000+ $:/language/ related tiddlers. Those where hardcoded in TWc and 
made translations hard and error prone

So it's basically convenience UI based functions, which increase empty.html 
size.

IMO we could squeeze out about 50% of the size, without loosing end-user 
conveninece but *at the cost of maintainability*. This gives us ~ 1MByte. 
... The win, will be lost, when a user includes the 1st jpg-image, to 
customize the TW background.

So in the end we just lost maintainablility ... and IMO that's not worth it!

---

jQuery was initially needed, to level out browser incompatibilities. It's 
success showed all browser vendors, what's really important for developers, 
and how and where to focus on "web" / browser improvements. ... 
Implementing the new specification and development patterns needed time. 
But now most of the stuff,  that jQuery invented, is part of current web 
standards, which makes jQuery itself "kind of" obsolete. ... 

have fun!
mario

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[tw] Re: [TW5] "Muuri-Touch" plugin

[BurningTreeC]

Hi @TonyM,

Am Dienstag, 2. Januar 2018 23:43:55 UTC+1 schrieb TonyM:
>
> BurningTreeC,
>
> The open in new window is excellent for Desktop, especially in my three 
> screen office setting, And in two screen presentations be it standard 
> tiddlywiki or murri boards.
>

yes, it has something. do you have some ideas about this? editing tiddlers 
opens them in the new-window-sidebar, too. is that something desired, a 
toggle button in the sidebar maybe? 

>
> truth is its value on mobile is dodgy, Instead it would be nice if someone 
> (not necessarily yourself) could build  a generic solution on tiddlywiki 
> somewhat slimier to Open in new window where a tiddler could be opened in 
> top/bottom/left right slide out positions, perhaps even if tagged just as 
> we currently have.
>
>- $:/tags/TopLeftBar 
>
> 
>- $:/tags/TopRightBar 
>
> 
>- $:/tags/AboveStory 
>
> 
>- $:/tags/BelowStory 
>
> 
>
>
interesting, I'm not gonna do that but as you say, someone who's interested 
could do something like that
 

> Executed carefully the mouse would open it in desktop and swipe from off 
> screen would open the tagged tiddler on mobile.
>
> Rather than pack too many features in the one plugin this could complement 
> murri but also help mobile first tiddlywikis, as well as building quick 
> menus (which I have always felt lacking in tiddltywiki.
>
> *If anyone thinks they can do this and its a worthy project please contact 
> me and I can help you develop it, at least from a functional design 
> perspective.*
>
> I  murris case a Left had slide out menu, a righthand slide out SideBar 
> and a dropdown wikimenu would be fabulous.
>

I'm trying to adopt this for mobile 
view: http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
It's great and very clean and the creator has put a lot of work into it, 
looks very stable.


> PS I think the choice of menus and interaction on mobiles should try and 
> follow widely known mobile design standards, I expect some in the community 
> would be familiar with these.
>
> Such a tool would complement your solution well.
>
> Food for thought
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, 3 January 2018 04:02:00 UTC+11, BurningTreeC wrote:
>>
>> *about the sidebar in new window on mobile devices*
>>
>> it seems that android or the mobile browser in my case limits the 
>> processes in the background so that the sidebar in a new window doesn't 
>> directly trigger actions in the story river and vice versa. if i click 
>> "edit" in the sidebar window i have to switch to the story window and back 
>> to the sidebar to have the edit tiddler open. I'll find out if there's a 
>> way, if not then I'll go with the dropdown thing for the sidebar and a 
>> fixed full-height full-width solution for editing tiddlers.
>>
>> on desktop browsers this limit doesn't exist as far as I know and it 
>> works great. The switch to turn editing in the sidebar on/off should be 
>> right there in the sidebar I think.
>>
>> this is very useful for notetaking - it's a bit like onenote's feature to 
>> have "quick note" on the left/right while working on other programs/notes
>>
>

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