Re: [tw] Re: Announcing File Uploads - TiddlyServer 2.0.12

[Arlen Beiler]

Was there an error message in the console output? There should have been
something there. Most of the errors in TiddlyServer are printed to console
rather than returned to the client.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:00 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks,
>
> I'm using the latest (49.0.2) Firefox ( Linux).
>
> I had to do a draconian clean-out of all recent logins before it would
> work. Apparently this is one of those problems that have been allowed to
> simmer for more than a decade.
>
> I was not able to upload image files. I assume that you browse to the file
> and then "Submit Query" ?? It failed silently with no error message other
> than the end of the browser URL  changing to "?error=upload" .
>
> Making a directory and making a directory as a data directory both worked.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 1:18:58 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> That sounds like a browser problem. Search "clear basic auth credentials
>> in [your browser]".
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:23 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Next problem. If you make a mistake entering your name password, you
>>> will get the "Wrong user or password" message. You will get this even if
>>> you stop and start the server. You get it even if you clear out the
>>> cookies. You get it even if you go into the settings file and set a new
>>> user name. There's apparently no forgiveness built in. What do I do to get
>>> it to reset?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 7:44:10 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 Make sure you are running Node version 6 minimum.

 On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
 tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm trying this on linux, but getting this error:
>
> SyntaxError: Unexpected token =
> at exports.runInThisContext (vm.js:53:16)
> at Module._compile (module.js:374:25)
> at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:417:10)
> at Module.load (module.js:344:32)
> at Function.Module._load (module.js:301:12)
> at Module.require (module.js:354:17)
> at require (internal/module.js:12:17)
> at Object. (/home/mint/Downloads/TiddlyServer-2.0.12/
> src/server.js:6:24)
> at Module._compile (module.js:410:26)
> at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:417:10)
>
> With this settings file:
>
> {
> "tree": {
> "TW2014": "/media/mint/Acer/D/data/TW2014/",
> "test": "test/",
> "relative": "../relative_to_settings_file",
> "linux": "/home/ubuntu/",
> "branch": {
> "twig1": "C:/Some Folder",
> "twig2": "C:/Some Other Folder"
> }
> },
> "types":{
> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
> },
> "username": "MAS",
> "password": "",
> "host": "127.0.0.1",
> "port": 8080,
> "backupDirectory": "",
> "etagWindow": 0,
> "etag": "",
> "useTW5path" : false
> }
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 6:09:51 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I'm pleased to announce a new release of TiddlyServer that now
>> supports file uploads to the directory you are currently browsing. Scroll
>> to the bottom of the directory index page and you will see an upload 
>> area.
>>
>> Beware that uploading a tiddlywiki.info file to any directory will
>> immediately make it inaccessible and turn it into a TiddlyWiki data 
>> folder.
>> The only way to fix this is to delete or rename the tiddlywiki.info
>> file. The folder should not be affected otherwise, except it will 
>> probably
>> have a tiddlers folder created inside it.
>>
>> So if you want to make a data folder using a custom tiddlywiki.info
>> file, just create the directory, enter it, then upload a
>> tiddlywiki.info file.
>>
>> As always, you can download the latest release from
>> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Arlen
>>
>> All praise to Jesus.
>>
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[tw] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

 I don't think most people want to wrangle 20+ little tiddlers just so they 
can access one section inside an article. The old TWC had sections, and I 
think a lot of us were flabbergasted that the "improved" TW5 didn't. The 
old system works the way people actually think.

It might be different if there were better tools for moving, annotating, 
deleting, and ordering small tiddlers, but there's not. How do you list a 
bunch of tiddlers, keep them in order, move them around, without having to 
open individual tiddlers to modify a sort field? Or create a massive list 
field in a Tagging tiddler -- working in a field box shorter than this 
sentence? How do you put them back into a single tiddler? How do you 
prevent orphans? I'm sure someone could come up with various tools to 
accomplish these tasks after the fact, but shouldn't these tools be in the 
core if we're expected to routinely use them that way?

 -- Mark

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 5:08:26 AM UTC-7, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> This conversation has happened many times, but the conclusion has always 
> been the same. The power of tiddlywiki comes from having different 
> tiddlers, you can't have only one tiddler and use what is special about 
> tiddlywiki.
>
> The way to do what you are talking about in tiddlywiki is to have a bunch 
> of small tiddlers that are displayed using a template. You can see an 
> example of this here (
> https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TiddlyBook/#Alice’s%20Adventures%20In%20Wonderland),
>  
> each paragraph is a separate tiddler but they are all displayed inside a 
> single tiddler using a template. So you could gather together the first 
> paragraph of each chapter, or mark the chapters or paragraphs by subject or 
> however you want to do it and then see a list of them that fits whatever 
> criteria you are looking for.
>
> Anything that you do that will let you do that in a single tiddler is 
> going to be equivalent to reinventing tiddlywiki with separate tiddlers 
> inside a single tiddler. You will have to have the equivalent of tags and 
> field to give each tiddler metadata so you can sort it, and something like 
> a title if you want to be able to reference a paragraph individually, and 
> it will have text.
>
> The problem is an interface problem, we need to make a better interface so 
> that we can write one tiddler and have it automatically split up based on 
> markup (the text slicer plugin sort of does this already), not reinvent 
> tiddlywiki inside a single tiddler.
>

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[tw] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[Diego Mesa]

I think all of this would be made much simpler if there was a quick and 
easy way to add/edit tiddler fields. SOmething like this in the body 
textarea of a tiddler:

(=myNewField
bl h 
asd
sd
sf
sdf
=)

or in a special "field" textarea, collapsable right under the 
textarea/body. 

With this in place, yuo could easily crea/tedit/remove "fields" which are 
in essence, structured/tagged portions of a tiddler (dont believe me, just 
check a .tid file!)





On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 8:27:48 AM UTC-5, TonyM wrote:
>
> Vytas,
>
> I totaly support Jeds points. 
>
> Have you used the excise tool using the editor tool bar. This will help 
> divide text into tiddlers while retaining a single view.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[TonyM]

JD,

Looks very nice, thanks for Sharing. The Left hand Driven menu theme, 
hamburger, and topbar is much in demand and to quickly customise this theme 
with the alternate colours is a bonus. 

Thanks
Tony

On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 3:37:26 AM UTC+10, JD wrote:
>
> Hello folks, I've been playing around with Google's Material design and 
> would like to share what I created so far... 
>
> http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com
>
> ...in hindsight, I think overwriting core image tiddlers (and "more 
> tiddler actions" button) might not be the best way to go... So, for anybody 
> who wants to try this out, there's that info for you. I'll probably cut 
> those overwritten portions away in an update... 
>
> Oh. Please try out the palettes under Control Panel > Appearance > 
> Material Tweaks, they're specifically designed for this theme...
>
> ***
>
> I've been testing this with the v.v. amazing Noteself fork with a Cloudant 
> account (and the android app! So freaking cool)... The 
> setup just made my life easier (I've been meaning to send some feedback 
> but I've recently been very busy I'm sorry). 
>
> So, thanks, everyone. I've been enjoying my visits here in Google Groups. 
> You guys are awesome innovators! I get shy just thinking about how little I 
> can contribute... Y'all are some of the coolest forum-goers around. 
>
>

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[tw] Re: TW WebDAV Failing Status 412 - but not curl

[TonyM]

Kevin,

I had WedDav working on Windows but have not used it lately. What I do 
remember is problems in TiddlyServer that sound a little like what you are 
experiencing, Arlen included a setting to allow a 3 second window 
""etagWindow": 3,

Until I set this I was always getting 412 errors 

No answer I am sorry, but this may give a clue.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, April 3, 2018 at 5:06:01 AM UTC+10, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> I dumped the headers.  The key difference is that TW sends an "If-Match" 
> header, and curl doesn't.
>
> So Apache is saying that the file doesn't match the digest sent by TW.  
> This happens whether I use Safari, Chrome, or IE.
>
> I reloaded the page, and I tried to save it again.  The value in the 
> If-Match was the same before/after the page reload.  I think that's 
> evidence that the file did not change.
>
> I'm using the latest (just downloaded today) TW.
>
> Any ideas for how to make TW WebDav work?
> TIA
>
> On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 2:20:25 PM UTC-4, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>>
>> I'm trying TW from an Apache WebDAV server.  I'm getting
>> Error while saving:
>> XMLHttpRequest error code: 412
>>
>> All I did was to load a brand new TW file into my browser via 
>> http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html, add a new tiddler, and let the 
>> auto-save do its thing.  I did no concurrent updating from another browser 
>> or on the server.  I tried 3 times (starting with a new browser each time).
>>
>> I *think* my WebDAV is configured correctly:
>>
>>- I connected to it via Mac Finder, and added/deleted/renamed files 
>>without error.
>>- I was able to retrieve a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
>>http://myserver/webdav/testfile.html --digest -o testfile.html
>>- I was able to put a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
>>http://myserver/webdav/ --upload-file testfile.html --digest
>>
>> When I look at the Apache access log I notice these two PUTs (first is 
>> the TW put; second is the curl put):
>>
>>- "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 412 558 "
>>http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html; "Mozilla/5.0 blah-blah"
>>- "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 204 289 "-" "curl/7.54.0"
>>
>> Clearly, the difference in the PUT request formats triggers a 412 error 
>> when TW PUTs the data.
>>
>> The Apache webdav and DavLock folders are owned and writable by 
>> www-data.  The DavLock db and the document files are owned and writable by 
>> www-data.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?  
>> TIA
>>
>>

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[tw] Re: History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[TonyM]

Josiah,

You say "2) [TW]  its native metaphor of basic data (fragments) are more 
in-kin with "back-of-an-envelope" notes and "post-it-notes" of any size. 
Card Index cards already have an implying of a series, a purposive 
collection. Notes on scrap paper usually don't."

That is your interpretation of TW "structure" or lack of, I do not share 
this. I see it's potential both as unstructured and structured (multiple 
alternatives). It is quite east to "impose" structures of TW through the 
modification of the interface to make it easy to use TW a particular way. I 
appreciate the unstructured limited barriers to capturing ideas which I can 
then access by a range of alternate structures. 

In fact I am building tools as I go to do this because I do very much focus 
on TiddlyWiki as a universal tool set, one idea is to capture notes, in a 
multilevel hierarchy then build an advanced next previous that allows a 
path to be followed through the whole heirachy with conditions available to 
determine if a set of children should be reviewed, or repeated for N cases.

(almost) Every form of structure can be imposed if desired in TW

Regards
Tony  

On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 12:32:00 AM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao TonyM
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> "Yes, but", - That is my answer to the question asked.
>>
>
> Right. And also "No, but..." 
>
> The fundamental architecture in TW is not "slot based". Classical card 
> indexes are. The "free-form" types of card-index are also still defined as 
> "slots" or "blobs" of data ... i.e. they are DISCRETE in foundation in 
> scope, even if content is YET to be organised/understood.
>
> Its a very interesting discussion to examine what is the "integral data 
> unit?"
>
> To cut to the chase on TW: (1) it can support easily the Card Index 
> approach; but (2) its native metaphor of basic data (fragments) are more 
> in-kin with "back-of-an-envelope" notes and "post-it-notes" of any size. 
> Card Index cards already have an implying of a series, a purposive 
> collection. Notes on scrap paper usually don't.  
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: TW5-Offtopic: Private responses in this groups are not send out by googlemail

[TonyM]

Surya,

Perhaps other users are like me, I only dwell in the online forum interface 
and rarely look for email from the group, if the google group mails were of 
less importance to someone, because they use the forum, perhaps they could 
miss your private email.

Regards
Tony

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>
> Hi,
>
> I have a (small) problem here.
> When I respond to a person here in a thread (clicking on "answer the 
> author private"), my mail is not send out by googlemail.
>
> Do you know why or what I can do about this?
>
> Thanks, Surya
>

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[tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[manuarteteco]

I really enjoy this theme, I will try it for my next mobile-based 
tiddlywiki project.

Thanks!

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 7:37:26 PM UTC+2, JD wrote:
>
> Hello folks, I've been playing around with Google's Material design and 
> would like to share what I created so far... 
>
> http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com
>
> ...in hindsight, I think overwriting core image tiddlers (and "more 
> tiddler actions" button) might not be the best way to go... So, for anybody 
> who wants to try this out, there's that info for you. I'll probably cut 
> those overwritten portions away in an update... 
>
> Oh. Please try out the palettes under Control Panel > Appearance > 
> Material Tweaks, they're specifically designed for this theme...
>
> ***
>
> I've been testing this with the v.v. amazing Noteself fork with a Cloudant 
> account (and the android app! So freaking cool)... The 
> setup just made my life easier (I've been meaning to send some feedback 
> but I've recently been very busy I'm sorry). 
>
> So, thanks, everyone. I've been enjoying my visits here in Google Groups. 
> You guys are awesome innovators! I get shy just thinking about how little I 
> can contribute... Y'all are some of the coolest forum-goers around. 
>
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing File Uploads - TiddlyServer 2.0.12

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks,

I'm using the latest (49.0.2) Firefox ( Linux).

I had to do a draconian clean-out of all recent logins before it would 
work. Apparently this is one of those problems that have been allowed to 
simmer for more than a decade.

I was not able to upload image files. I assume that you browse to the file 
and then "Submit Query" ?? It failed silently with no error message other 
than the end of the browser URL  changing to "?error=upload" .

Making a directory and making a directory as a data directory both worked.

Thanks!
Mark

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 1:18:58 AM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> That sounds like a browser problem. Search "clear basic auth credentials 
> in [your browser]".
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:23 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Next problem. If you make a mistake entering your name password, you will 
>> get the "Wrong user or password" message. You will get this even if you 
>> stop and start the server. You get it even if you clear out the cookies. 
>> You get it even if you go into the settings file and set a new user name. 
>> There's apparently no forgiveness built in. What do I do to get it to reset?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -- Mark 
>>
>> On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 7:44:10 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>>
>>> Make sure you are running Node version 6 minimum. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm trying this on linux, but getting this error:

 SyntaxError: Unexpected token =
 at exports.runInThisContext (vm.js:53:16)
 at Module._compile (module.js:374:25)
 at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:417:10)
 at Module.load (module.js:344:32)
 at Function.Module._load (module.js:301:12)
 at Module.require (module.js:354:17)
 at require (internal/module.js:12:17)
 at Object. (/home/mint/Downloads/TiddlyServer-2.0.12/src
 /server.js:6:24)
 at Module._compile (module.js:410:26)
 at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:417:10)

 With this settings file:

 {
 "tree": {
 "TW2014": "/media/mint/Acer/D/data/TW2014/",
 "test": "test/",
 "relative": "../relative_to_settings_file",
 "linux": "/home/ubuntu/",
 "branch": {
 "twig1": "C:/Some Folder",
 "twig2": "C:/Some Other Folder"
 }
 },
 "types":{
 "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
 },
 "username": "MAS",
 "password": "",
 "host": "127.0.0.1",
 "port": 8080,
 "backupDirectory": "", 
 "etagWindow": 0,
 "etag": "",
 "useTW5path" : false
 }

 What am I doing wrong?

 Thanks!
 Mark


 On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 6:09:51 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone, 
>
> I'm pleased to announce a new release of TiddlyServer that now 
> supports file uploads to the directory you are currently browsing. Scroll 
> to the bottom of the directory index page and you will see an upload area.
>
> Beware that uploading a tiddlywiki.info file to any directory will 
> immediately make it inaccessible and turn it into a TiddlyWiki data 
> folder. 
> The only way to fix this is to delete or rename the tiddlywiki.info 
> file. The folder should not be affected otherwise, except it will 
> probably 
> have a tiddlers folder created inside it. 
>
> So if you want to make a data folder using a custom tiddlywiki.info 
> file, just create the directory, enter it, then upload a 
> tiddlywiki.info file.
>
> As always, you can download the latest release from 
> https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases
>
> Enjoy!
> Arlen
>
> All praise to Jesus. 
>
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[tw] Re: Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[David Gifford]

Lovely! I love the palettes and palette names. Lumpy space princess?

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 12:37:26 PM UTC-5, JD wrote:
>
> Hello folks, I've been playing around with Google's Material design and 
> would like to share what I created so far... 
>
> http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com
>
> ...in hindsight, I think overwriting core image tiddlers (and "more 
> tiddler actions" button) might not be the best way to go... So, for anybody 
> who wants to try this out, there's that info for you. I'll probably cut 
> those overwritten portions away in an update... 
>
> Oh. Please try out the palettes under Control Panel > Appearance > 
> Material Tweaks, they're specifically designed for this theme...
>
> ***
>
> I've been testing this with the v.v. amazing Noteself fork with a Cloudant 
> account (and the android app! So freaking cool)... The 
> setup just made my life easier (I've been meaning to send some feedback 
> but I've recently been very busy I'm sorry). 
>
> So, thanks, everyone. I've been enjoying my visits here in Google Groups. 
> You guys are awesome innovators! I get shy just thinking about how little I 
> can contribute... Y'all are some of the coolest forum-goers around. 
>
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[tw] Re: TW WebDAV Failing Status 412 - but not curl

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

I dumped the headers.  The key difference is that TW sends an "If-Match" 
header, and curl doesn't.

So Apache is saying that the file doesn't match the digest sent by TW.  
This happens whether I use Safari, Chrome, or IE.

I reloaded the page, and I tried to save it again.  The value in the 
If-Match was the same before/after the page reload.  I think that's 
evidence that the file did not change.

I'm using the latest (just downloaded today) TW.

Any ideas for how to make TW WebDav work?
TIA

On Monday, April 2, 2018 at 2:20:25 PM UTC-4, Kevin Kleinfelter wrote:
>
> I'm trying TW from an Apache WebDAV server.  I'm getting
> Error while saving:
> XMLHttpRequest error code: 412
>
> All I did was to load a brand new TW file into my browser via 
> http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html, add a new tiddler, and let the 
> auto-save do its thing.  I did no concurrent updating from another browser 
> or on the server.  I tried 3 times (starting with a new browser each time).
>
> I *think* my WebDAV is configured correctly:
>
>- I connected to it via Mac Finder, and added/deleted/renamed files 
>without error.
>- I was able to retrieve a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
>http://myserver/webdav/testfile.html --digest -o testfile.html
>- I was able to put a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
>http://myserver/webdav/ --upload-file testfile.html --digest
>
> When I look at the Apache access log I notice these two PUTs (first is the 
> TW put; second is the curl put):
>
>- "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 412 558 "
>http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html; "Mozilla/5.0 blah-blah"
>- "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 204 289 "-" "curl/7.54.0"
>
> Clearly, the difference in the PUT request formats triggers a 412 error 
> when TW PUTs the data.
>
> The Apache webdav and DavLock folders are owned and writable by www-data.  
> The DavLock db and the document files are owned and writable by www-data.
>
> What am I doing wrong?  
> TIA
>
>

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[tw] TW WebDAV Failing Status 412 - but not curl

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

I'm trying TW from an Apache WebDAV server.  I'm getting
Error while saving:
XMLHttpRequest error code: 412

All I did was to load a brand new TW file into my browser via 
http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html, add a new tiddler, and let the 
auto-save do its thing.  I did no concurrent updating from another browser 
or on the server.  I tried 3 times (starting with a new browser each time).

I *think* my WebDAV is configured correctly:

   - I connected to it via Mac Finder, and added/deleted/renamed files 
   without error.
   - I was able to retrieve a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
   http://myserver/webdav/testfile.html --digest -o testfile.html
   - I was able to put a file via: curl --user "userid:password" 
   http://myserver/webdav/ --upload-file testfile.html --digest

When I look at the Apache access log I notice these two PUTs (first is the 
TW put; second is the curl put):

   - "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 412 558 
   "http://192.168.1.2/webdav/testfile.html; "Mozilla/5.0 blah-blah"
   - "PUT /webdav/testfile.html HTTP/1.1" 204 289 "-" "curl/7.54.0"
   
Clearly, the difference in the PUT request formats triggers a 412 error 
when TW PUTs the data.

The Apache webdav and DavLock folders are owned and writable by www-data.  
The DavLock db and the document files are owned and writable by www-data.

What am I doing wrong?  
TIA

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[tw] Material Theme for TW5 (sort of)

[JD]

Hello folks, I've been playing around with Google's Material design and would 
like to share what I created so far... 

http://j.d.material.tiddlyspot.com

...in hindsight, I think overwriting core image tiddlers (and "more tiddler 
actions" button) might not be the best way to go... So, for anybody who wants 
to try this out, there's that info for you. I'll probably cut those overwritten 
portions away in an update... 

Oh. Please try out the palettes under Control Panel > Appearance > Material 
Tweaks, they're specifically designed for this theme...

***

I've been testing this with the v.v. amazing Noteself fork with a Cloudant 
account (and the android app! So freaking cool)... The 
setup just made my life easier (I've been meaning to send some feedback but 
I've recently been very busy I'm sorry). 

So, thanks, everyone. I've been enjoying my visits here in Google Groups. You 
guys are awesome innovators! I get shy just thinking about how little I can 
contribute... Y'all are some of the coolest forum-goers around. 

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[tw] Re: History: Is TiddlyWiki A Card-Index System?

[Tristan Kohl]

Great recap Josiah, thank you for that :)

I want to drop my two cents as well: Before I came to TW I was just looking 
for a note taking application and tried many (DokuWiki, Zim, 
CherryTree,...) and mentioned Zettelkasten. Since I live in Germany it was 
pretty easy for me to get into the mostly german community as there was no 
language barrier for me to overcome. However after some months and dozens 
of cards I came to the conclusion that "finding emerging interconnections" 
is not the same as "note taking".

I then stumbled on TW and gave it a try as I did with all the others. Back 
then I did not expect that I would fall in love with it and TW bringing me 
an exciting new hobby waking the urge to learn programming. Today, looking 
back at my odyssey I see TW as a general purpose database which provides 
the (boring but necessary) backend (storing, linking, searching, saving, 
... )  to build any imaginable application on top. So I would second Tony's 
observation and state that TW can be used as the database to implement a 
full blown Zettelkasten. But you could not use Zettelkasten for everything 
TW can do (see my experiences above).

Nowadays I use TW as a tool to keep track of my bees, my honey wine 
production, home automation and many other things which I could not do on 
top of many other software other than a real DBM - but than I would have to 
recreate the frontend over and over again instead of just using a bunch of 
widgets and wikitext.

I just noticed that the author dropped the original Zettelkasten 
application in favour of his new app - TW still exists so I would say that 
is another win for us users :)

Cheers,
Tristan

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 4:07:03 PM UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S. asked ... 
>
>> Perhaps with your background you could explain Zettelkasten. There seems 
>> to be an almost cult-like culture around a system of taking notes (by 
>> software or index cards). https://zettelkasten.de/ .
>>
>
> Mark S. asked me that interesting question in another thread, started by 
> Mat, comparing TW to other "similar software". I been thinking about Mark's 
> question. I wasn't sure if people here are interested in this, but then I 
> thought well, hey, they might be ...
>
> "Zettelkästen" is just the German for "card indices" in general. 
> https://zettelkasten.de/ is a specific "Zettelkästen Methodology" derived 
> from the work done originally (on physical cards) by the brilliant prolific 
> sociologist and systems theorist Niklas Luhmann.
>
> He was one of several social scientists who prefigured issues that would 
> come up in the development of software for "soft data" and "emergent 
> structure". The point being that in the social sciences, a lot of the time, 
> theories/patterns emerge during research, so you need flexibility--its not 
> like hard science which is more driven by strict prior hypotheses that have 
> clear "data slots"--nor is it like birth & death records, nor address books 
> etc. In short, social science (especially ideographic fieldwork) needs an 
> "open" way to record information. 
>
> The PRACTICAL issue for the Luhmann style Zettelkästeners, in software, 
> was (1) how to maintain the integrity of the record (the card) AND (2) 
> relate that record to other records (the cards) in an EMERGENT way. In 
> other words NOT be a strict database that only had determined prior slots 
> (hypothesised significant). At the time of emergence of such work it was a 
> hot issue.
>
> The "Zettelkästen Methodology" is interesting and clearly is still used to 
> good effect. Not so remarked upon, but significant, is that quite a lot of 
> the sense-making in it is EXTERNAL to the computer. Its about guesses 
> external to the data itself to find pattern. 
>
> Luhmann make two Zettelkästen (manual, physical) in his life, with 
> thousands of records each, and they informed and structured most all of his 
> voluminous writing. It worked. But I'm not convinced it worked without HIM 
> doing "in head" most of the cross-connection work.
>
> Zettelkästen Methodology now looks a bit like a "blast from the past" ... 
> I mean the oft discussion of the vitality of "Tags" OVER 
> "Topics/Categories" is already a done deal on the net nowadays. So in that 
> sense its a bit like a Philosophy of Knowledge that's done it job already.
>
> ---
>
> On the comparison of TiddlyWiki and Card Indices ... which OFTEN users 
> point to and celebrate ... well it works for SOME TiddlyWiki set up that 
> way. No harm in using that analogy. BUT the analogy quickly breaks down.
>
> Card Index systems (& computer equivalents) are base on *the sacredness 
> of the record (Card)* whilst TiddlyWiki is based on the *equality of the 
> fragment (Tiddler)*. So what in the Zettelkästen Methodology is seen as a 
> "basic unit" (card), in TiddlyWiki might also be a card, but could also be 
> composed of fragments (Tiddlers), decomposed and reassembled multiple ways. 
>
> Zettelkästen 

[tw] Re: TW5-Offtopic: Private responses in this groups are not send out by googlemail

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

hmm :-(

Am Montag, 2. April 2018 13:38:34 UTC+2 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Right. The GG private email system is like a black box. You type a message 
> and then "who knows what"? Its never made sense to me. Usually it works but 
> you are never really sure till they reply.
>

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[tw] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[TonyM]

Vytas,

I totaly support Jeds points. 

Have you used the excise tool using the editor tool bar. This will help divide 
text into tiddlers while retaining a single view.

Regards
Tony

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[tw] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

['Vytas' via TiddlyWiki]

Jed, I am new to TiddlyWiki. Is there a chance you could find a link to a 
past conversation of this kind? That would be very interesting.

I see your point regarding the reinventing of "tiddlywiki within a single 
tiddler". I think automatic splitting of the whole text into different 
tiddlers would be an overkill for most purposes. Going along the lines of 
what you said, a great alternative to Mat's method would be to have 
macro/mark-up elements which would allow you to create and modify new 
tiddlers within the edit-window of some existing tiddler. For example a 
syntax of the following kind
<$NT[NewTiddler] tags[tag1,tag2]>Content of the new tiddler<$/NT>
could create a new tiddler named NewTiddler (or some automatically 
generated name if not specified) and tagged with tag1 and tag2 tags. The 
key feature would be the ability to edit the NewTiddler both from the 
edit-window of the parent tiddler, and the edit-window of the NewTiddler. 
However, I guess this is probably impossible without some core 
modifications of TiddlyWiki..

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[tw] TWC to TW5 - Substitute User Habit

[Kevin Kleinfelter]

I keep trying to move from TW Classic to TW5 and I keep running into the 
same problem.  With TWC and the right extensions, I can do a search that 
returns many tiddlers and press alt-C until I see the one I want.

I have TWC configured to show only one tiddler at a time, with TiddlersBar 
showing all of the other 'open' tiddlers.  I have alt-C defined as an 
access key to close the visible tiddler.

I'm not going to be able to have exactly that in TW5.  I get it.  TW isn't 
going to change in that regard; I'll have to change.

So how can I accomplish that same task using TW5 functionality?  I need to 
be able to:

   - Do a broad search that returns many candidate-match tiddlers
   - Rapidly move through them, looking at the title and the first couple 
   of lines
   - ... using the keyboard


Scrolling through them isn't going to work for me.  I have RSI in my hands 
and wrists and extensive mousing exacerbates it.  Paging down with the 
keyboard is sub-optimal because the title and first couple of lines are at 
different vertical positions as I scroll.  (i.e. With TWC, I could look at 
the same screen position as I flipped through the tiddlers.  I don't want 
to have to scan around on the page to find my place.)

Again, I 'get it' that I can't have the same behavior from TW5 as TWC.  How 
can I meet the same functional need - rapidly scanning through a set of 
searched tiddlers using the keyboard without scrolling?

TIA

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[tw] Re: How to tag separate paragraphs in different tiddlers and then transclude them?

[Jed Carty]

This conversation has happened many times, but the conclusion has always 
been the same. The power of tiddlywiki comes from having different 
tiddlers, you can't have only one tiddler and use what is special about 
tiddlywiki.

The way to do what you are talking about in tiddlywiki is to have a bunch 
of small tiddlers that are displayed using a template. You can see an 
example of this here 
(https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/TiddlyBook/#Alice’s%20Adventures%20In%20Wonderland),
 
each paragraph is a separate tiddler but they are all displayed inside a 
single tiddler using a template. So you could gather together the first 
paragraph of each chapter, or mark the chapters or paragraphs by subject or 
however you want to do it and then see a list of them that fits whatever 
criteria you are looking for.

Anything that you do that will let you do that in a single tiddler is going 
to be equivalent to reinventing tiddlywiki with separate tiddlers inside a 
single tiddler. You will have to have the equivalent of tags and field to 
give each tiddler metadata so you can sort it, and something like a title 
if you want to be able to reference a paragraph individually, and it will 
have text.

The problem is an interface problem, we need to make a better interface so 
that we can write one tiddler and have it automatically split up based on 
markup (the text slicer plugin sort of does this already), not reinvent 
tiddlywiki inside a single tiddler.

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[tw] Re: TW5-Offtopic: Private responses in this groups are not send out by googlemail

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Right. The GG private email system is like a black box. You type a message 
and then "who knows what"? Its never made sense to me. Usually it works but 
you are never really sure till they reply.

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[tw] Re: Get TiddlyWiki Known: The Malkovich Effect

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mat wrote ...

> Maybe you could get a list of applications. You tick some preferences and 
> click "Generate my TiddlyWiki"... that way you know more what it is 
> "supposed" to do for you.
>

Right. The "generate-your-own-wiki" using clicks I think has great merit. 
Building applications on the fly for a purpose I think bridges part of the 
gap towards rich potential applications end users are interested in. This 
approach is used, FWIW, for other JS based apps you can find online. Its 
usually a way of handling their "plugins" to build "my edition".

... I tried to identify Appetizer TiddlyWikis 
>  that 
> aim to be exactly that; "I-do-want-to-try-it"-TWs. IMO it would make sense 
> to make "TW editions" - or, as I'd rather 
>  
> call them; TW Applications - that are officially presented on 
> tiddlywiki.com.
>

Right. At an obvious level we lack a decent SHOWCASE. 

There is nowhere a user can easily go shopping for examples of decent 
variety of things acheived. For instance, Gamers, who do use TiddlyWiki 
quite a lot, yet we don't have a single example Game Campaign to show off. 
Apply that to any area you can think of. We seriously lack examples.

TonyM wrote...

> I and TiddlyWiki need to establish credibility in Focused offerings that 
> match peoples needs, before we start to boast it can match many needs.


... tell people how TiddlyWiki can be the best personal Note Book, ... the 
> best Personal Organiser the best ... 


... but not all at once so it looks like a Swiss army knife and makes it 
> hard to decide ...


Dead right. 

Part of this is about, I think, being orientated towards END ORDINARY USAGE 
first. As you put it ... 

... curate the different and popular areas tiddlywiki can thrive in and 
> present these in focused subject or outcome specific areas. It is not 
> important, even necessary for people to come to TiddlyWiki.com until they 
> have "drunk the cool aid".
>
  
---

Regarding the platform/saving variants that, like variations in what you 
can do with TW, are also a big part of the "Malkovich Effect", I was 
thinking, similarly, to narrow focus to only what is relevant to the users 
(visitor) at first (maybe by browser probing?).

I think this is a discussion worth having and pondering and working on.

Best wishes
Josiah 


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[tw] Re: TW5-Offtopic: Private responses in this groups are not send out by googlemail

['Surya' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello Josiah,

I know, that they are going privately to that one person.
I got already some private mails over this group from other persons.
Replying to those mails is no problem- it goes directly over googlemail.
So it seems not to be a problem with googlemail, but with googlegroups or 
especially with this googlegroup.

And I also have already written 2 mails privately to other persons in 
threads here in this google group. *Successfully*.
But: About 7 mails, written *privately* here in a thread (clicking on 
"answer the author private") haven't been sent out.

I find this really strange. I didn't change anything.

Surya




Am Montag, 2. April 2018 12:47:18 UTC+2 schrieb @TiddlyTweeter:
>
> Nothing.
>
> Private messages can only go "privately" :-) They only go that one person. 
> Also GG groups never sends you a copy of that email.
>
> Josiah
>

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[tw] Re: TW5-Offtopic: Private responses in this groups are not send out by googlemail

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Nothing.

Private messages can only go "privately" :-) They only go that one person. 
Also GG groups never sends you a copy of that email.

Josiah

On Sunday, 1 April 2018 16:36:13 UTC+2, Surya wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a (small) problem here.
> When I respond to a person here in a thread (clicking on "answer the 
> author private"), my mail is not send out by googlemail.
>
> Do you know why or what I can do about this?
>
> Thanks, Surya
>

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[tw] Re: How to click on a D3 (svg) object to open a tiddler ?

[BurningTreeC]

Hi @Silverfox 

you can invoke an action string you pass to your widget  ( <$d3widget 
actions="""<$action-navigate ... />""" /> ) with
"this.invokeActionString(actionstring,...,...,...,)" ... it's in widget.js
that would let you choose the actions you want to perform

or you can dispatch an event with "this.dispatchEvent(... .. ..)" and 
pass your actions to it 


it's very useful to search for "dispatchEvent" and "invokeActionString" or 
"invokeActions" in the tiddlywiki advanced search, to see how the other 
widgets do it

BTC

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[tw] TiddlyDesktop -- Portability Difficulties

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I would like to be able to configure TiddlyDesktop to be portable.

By "portability" I mean here both being able to get the settings into a 
subdirectory of the app. (achieved) AND the wikis addressed using RELATIVE 
addressing (failed). 

I tried several ways to do that modifying files in "user-config-tiddlywiki" 
with relative paths. None worked.

Is there a way to do this?

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: How to click on a D3 (svg) object to open a tiddler ?

[Jed Carty]

This isn't directly related to d3 but it may have something that you can 
use as an example. I used SnapSVG instead of d3 but I have navigation and 
other buttons using it, hopefully it can be a bit useful to you.

I did some other experiments using SnapSVG to make an interface for 
tiddlywiki a few years ago and had some success with it before getting 
distracted. Somewhere I have a draggable navigation menu using it but I am 
not sure what the URL is right now.

https://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/SnapSVG/

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[tw] How to click on a D3 (svg) object to open a tiddler ?

[Silverfox]

Hello, 

Following this discussion 
(https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/MIm5WyIZIhg) I go on 
working on using D3 plugin to navigate into TiddlyWiki.

In this basic example 
http://d3jsv5trial.tiddlyspot.com/#D3%20circle%20pack%20with%20clickable%20feature
 
when we double click on a bubble it opens an alert with the name of the 
bubble.

 I would like it to open a tiddler with the name of the bubble, and I did 
not found what could be the instruction for that.

my current code is : 

.on("dblclick",function(d){ alert("I'd like to open tiddler: "+ d.data.name
); });

I was thinking about using foreignObject instruction, but I'm not sure this 
is the best way and I don't know how to implement is.

Do you have any recommandations that could help ?

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Re: [tw] Re: Announcing File Uploads - TiddlyServer 2.0.12

[Arlen Beiler]

That sounds like a browser problem. Search "clear basic auth credentials in
[your browser]".

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 12:23 PM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> Next problem. If you make a mistake entering your name password, you will
> get the "Wrong user or password" message. You will get this even if you
> stop and start the server. You get it even if you clear out the cookies.
> You get it even if you go into the settings file and set a new user name.
> There's apparently no forgiveness built in. What do I do to get it to reset?
>
> Thanks!
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 7:44:10 PM UTC-7, Arlen Beiler wrote:
>>
>> Make sure you are running Node version 6 minimum.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
>> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying this on linux, but getting this error:
>>>
>>> SyntaxError: Unexpected token =
>>> at exports.runInThisContext (vm.js:53:16)
>>> at Module._compile (module.js:374:25)
>>> at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:417:10)
>>> at Module.load (module.js:344:32)
>>> at Function.Module._load (module.js:301:12)
>>> at Module.require (module.js:354:17)
>>> at require (internal/module.js:12:17)
>>> at Object. (/home/mint/Downloads/TiddlyServer-2.0.12/src/
>>> server.js:6:24)
>>> at Module._compile (module.js:410:26)
>>> at Object.Module._extensions..js (module.js:417:10)
>>>
>>> With this settings file:
>>>
>>> {
>>> "tree": {
>>> "TW2014": "/media/mint/Acer/D/data/TW2014/",
>>> "test": "test/",
>>> "relative": "../relative_to_settings_file",
>>> "linux": "/home/ubuntu/",
>>> "branch": {
>>> "twig1": "C:/Some Folder",
>>> "twig2": "C:/Some Other Folder"
>>> }
>>> },
>>> "types":{
>>> "htmlfile": ["htm", "html"]
>>> },
>>> "username": "MAS",
>>> "password": "",
>>> "host": "127.0.0.1",
>>> "port": 8080,
>>> "backupDirectory": "",
>>> "etagWindow": 0,
>>> "etag": "",
>>> "useTW5path" : false
>>> }
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 6:09:51 AM UTC-8, Arlen Beiler wrote:

 Hello Everyone,

 I'm pleased to announce a new release of TiddlyServer that now supports
 file uploads to the directory you are currently browsing. Scroll to the
 bottom of the directory index page and you will see an upload area.

 Beware that uploading a tiddlywiki.info file to any directory will
 immediately make it inaccessible and turn it into a TiddlyWiki data folder.
 The only way to fix this is to delete or rename the tiddlywiki.info
 file. The folder should not be affected otherwise, except it will probably
 have a tiddlers folder created inside it.

 So if you want to make a data folder using a custom tiddlywiki.info
 file, just create the directory, enter it, then upload a
 tiddlywiki.info file.

 As always, you can download the latest release from
 https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases

 Enjoy!
 Arlen

 All praise to Jesus.

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