[tw5] Re: An Outliner StoryView Prototype

[Mohammad]

One more question:
 How Alt+O works? Does chat set/unset some stylesheet tiddlers (i.e tagged 
a tiddler with $:/tags/Stylesheet) or use a macro to activate the outliner 
view?



On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 9:15:31 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
>
> here's an outliner storyview I'm working on:
>
> http://outlineproto.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's not perfect - I'd just like to hear what you think what's good and 
> what needs to be sorted out
>
>
> all the best, BurningTreeC
>

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[tw5] Re: An Outliner StoryView Prototype

[Mohammad]

Great piece of work!
For me Alt+Right and Alt+Left does not work!
(Windows 10 + Chrome 66)




On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 9:15:31 PM UTC+4:30, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
>
> here's an outliner storyview I'm working on:
>
> http://outlineproto.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's not perfect - I'd just like to hear what you think what's good and 
> what needs to be sorted out
>
>
> all the best, BurningTreeC
>

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[tw5] Re: How to use nested styles or CSS classes?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

CSS always drives me up the wall. I guess that's why I just concentrate on 
functionality and leave the appearance to someone else.

One approach, that sometimes works, is to right click on the element you 
are interested in and "Inspect Element" (different but similar terms on 
different browsers). Then navigate up and down the structure in the 
developer window, noting what tc- classes are used. Then manually try 
over-riding the classes to see what you can change. When you get something 
to work, you can try it in a stylesheet tiddler. If that doesn't work, it 
usually means you have to notch up the specificity, so that your custom 
style gets applied.

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-7, Fadel M wrote:
>
> I can't figure out how to change color for tiddler links in table cell, 
> though.
>
> EDIT: I figured that out as well. 
> .class a{
> color: red;
> }
> I guess this whole thread got made because frustration got the better of 
> me.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:24:17 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>>
>> Okay, never mind. I was doing it outside the table cell like this 
>> @@.class |Table cell | @@
>> Once I placed the tags inside the table cell it worked |@@.class Table 
>> cell @@ |
>>
>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:55:14 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a table which I have enclosed in:
>>> @@font-size: 80%; @@
>>>
>>> I would like to assign a class to some of the table cells to e.g. change 
>>> color. How can I go about doing that?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[TonyM]

TiddlyWiki is like science and the universe, the more you learn about it 
the the greater the possibilities and every question answered results in 
more possibilities.

On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 10:41:21 PM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> This thread is a continuation from Positive Assertions In One Sentence ... 
> 
>  
> Here is a start ...
>
> I love #TiddlyWiki  because 
> ... of, in two words:  Radical #transclusion 
> .
>
> @TiddlyTweeter
>

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[tw5] Re: How to use nested styles or CSS classes?

[TonyM]

Fadel,

You can also define tables using html code in WiddlyWiki such as 
here https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_tables.asp

You can even wrap table rows, even table details with list widgets, but you 
can also place style= or class= against most of the elements as well.

However I am still trying to determine all the possibilities and 
limitations.

Regards
Tony
 

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 6:50:18 AM UTC+10, Fadel M wrote:
>
> I can't figure out how to change color for tiddler links in table cell, 
> though.
>
> EDIT: I figured that out as well. 
> .class a{
> color: red;
> }
> I guess this whole thread got made because frustration got the better of 
> me.
>
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:24:17 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>>
>> Okay, never mind. I was doing it outside the table cell like this 
>> @@.class |Table cell | @@
>> Once I placed the tags inside the table cell it worked |@@.class Table 
>> cell @@ |
>>
>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:55:14 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a table which I have enclosed in:
>>> @@font-size: 80%; @@
>>>
>>> I would like to assign a class to some of the table cells to e.g. change 
>>> color. How can I go about doing that?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[TonyM]

Josiah,

I see no reference in this discussion to using the wikify widget rather 
than set to lock the text value into the wikify defined variable.

Perhaps that would help

Regards
Tony


On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 12:28:28 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I need to get the literal text of a Tiddler into a simple macro/variable. 
> I have studied the documentation (like 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Concatenating%20text%20and%20variables%20using%20macro%20substitution)
>  
> but still can't see how to do it ...
>
> *Use Case*
>
> tiddler title: "$:/PerryMason"
> text content: "Paul Drake"
>
> All I want to do is get the *literal plain text* "Paul Drake" in to a 
> variable \defined perry().
>
> Anyone know an easy way to do that?
>
> Help much appreciated
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: An Outliner StoryView Prototype

[TonyM]

Hi Burning Tree,

I seems great for brainstorming or rapid capture of structures.

How do we create siblings rather than children and is there  way to outline 
from an existing tiddler already tagging other tiddlers?

I would love to see this somewhat independent so at can be used for any 
hierarchical tagged list.   I am in fact building my own outliner that is 
more a viewer of the tiddlers in a hierarchy but allowing custom tiddler 
footers, headers and features inspired by TWOutlier. I could see using your 
solution for the initial brainstorm or new subtrees.

It seems to me if your tool can be synergistic rather than an alternative 
outliner where it is somewhat standalone, all the better, because it could 
be used along side other solutions.

Outliners seem all the rage in the community of late.

Regards
Tony



On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 2:45:31 AM UTC+10, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
>
> here's an outliner storyview I'm working on:
>
> http://outlineproto.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's not perfect - I'd just like to hear what you think what's good and 
> what needs to be sorted out
>
>
> all the best, BurningTreeC
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

So does

\define sfTo() ..\..\pages\tw\tw_$(twName)$\


<$set name=twName value={{$:/PerryMason}}> 
<$button>
  Make a ''<>'' single file
  <$action-websocketmessage $type='buildHTMLWiki' outputFolder=<> 
outputName="index.html" />



Not work?

-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 12:50:49 PM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> It is in a single tiddler with several other buttons that just vary 
> slightly. Its a Tiddler from which I "Automate" the wiki using Bob commands.
>
> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:35:05 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Where does this button appear? In a template, or a single launch tiddler?
>>
>> More importantly, why not wrap a <$set name=twName 
>> value={{$:/PerryMason}}>  around the button (deleting macro twName 
>> of course) ?
>>
>> Good luck!
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah its to do with Bob automation. 
>>>
>>> It works perfectly if I give it a defined literal string like this ...
>>>
>>> \define twName() Paul Drake
>>> \define sfTo() ..\..\pages\tw\tw_$(twName)$\
>>>
>>> And then click command to make a wiki ...
>>>
>>> <$button>
>>>   Make a ''<>'' single file
>>>   <$action-websocketmessage $type='buildHTMLWiki' outputFolder=<> 
>>> outputName="index.html" />
>>> 
>>>
>>> Console report ... works fine ...
>>>
>>> Build Wiki
>>> Built Wiki:  C:\bag\PortableApps\twMU\pages\tw\tw_Paul Drake\index.html
>>>
>>> My idea was NOT to have to hard code the name of every output wiki, but 
>>> rather use the text field of "$:/WikiName" since that is built in. When Bob 
>>> creates a wiki that Tiddler is created. 
>>>
>>> I never envisaged that getting the plain text into a global variable 
>>> could be so complex! I thought the issue was just me :-). Apparently its a 
>>> bit more complicated.
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:39:21 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:

 I imagine this relates to invoking commands from Bob, which I haven't 
 studied. Where is this "path: 'c:\\'" structure located? Is it in a 
 regular tiddler? 

 If it really needs to be hard-coded text, then I think you would need a 
 button that would trigger actions that would create the actual text. It 
 would be something you need to do whenever updating your configuration, I 
 suppose.

 -- Mark

 On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:28:25 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I think you need to explain more about your use case.
>>
>
> You are right. The difficulty *IS* explaining it.
>
> Transclusion is so sophisticated in TW many don't realise that when 
> you create macro/variables you are transferring the "transclusion code" 
> into it, not the value, most of the time.
>  
>
>>  You could just create a global macro:
>>
>> \define perry() {{HelloThere!!text}}
>>
>
> Works perfectly in most transclusion contexts. But you can see the 
> issue with that is if you use the macro in a context like a command 
> processor that only accepts literal text... the macro/variable isn't 
> holding the value, but the transclusion code to display it.
>
> path: 'C:\\bag\\PortableApps\\twMU\\pages\\tw\\tw_
> {{$:\\HelloThere!!text}}\\index.html'
>  
> I will try layout a more detailed example and be as clear as I can. 
> But I think this starts to illustrates the issue I hope.
>
> Thanks
> Josiah
>


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[tw5] Re: I love TiddlyWiki because...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

"Today I discovered @TiddlyWiki , I really 
wish I discovered it sooner."
-- @Oriol Jimenez  

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[tw5] Re: How to use nested styles or CSS classes?

[Fadel M]

I can't figure out how to change color for tiddler links in table cell, 
though.

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:24:17 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>
> Okay, never mind. I was doing it outside the table cell like this @@.class 
> |Table cell | @@
> Once I placed the tags inside the table cell it worked |@@.class Table 
> cell @@ |
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:55:14 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a table which I have enclosed in:
>> @@font-size: 80%; @@
>>
>> I would like to assign a class to some of the table cells to e.g. change 
>> color. How can I go about doing that?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to use nested styles or CSS classes?

[Fadel M]

Okay, never mind. I was doing it outside the table cell like this @@.class 
|Table cell | @@
Once I placed the tags inside the table cell it worked |@@.class Table cell 
@@ |

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:55:14 PM UTC+3, Fadel M wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a table which I have enclosed in:
> @@font-size: 80%; @@
>
> I would like to assign a class to some of the table cells to e.g. change 
> color. How can I go about doing that?
>

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[tw5] How to use nested styles or CSS classes?

[Fadel M]

Hi,

I have a table which I have enclosed in:
@@font-size: 80%; @@

I would like to assign a class to some of the table cells to e.g. change 
color. How can I go about doing that?

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

It is in a single tiddler with several other buttons that just vary 
slightly. Its a Tiddler from which I "Automate" the wiki using Bob commands.

On Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:35:05 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Where does this button appear? In a template, or a single launch tiddler?
>
> More importantly, why not wrap a <$set name=twName 
> value={{$:/PerryMason}}>  around the button (deleting macro twName 
> of course) ?
>
> Good luck!
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Yeah its to do with Bob automation. 
>>
>> It works perfectly if I give it a defined literal string like this ...
>>
>> \define twName() Paul Drake
>> \define sfTo() ..\..\pages\tw\tw_$(twName)$\
>>
>> And then click command to make a wiki ...
>>
>> <$button>
>>   Make a ''<>'' single file
>>   <$action-websocketmessage $type='buildHTMLWiki' outputFolder=<> 
>> outputName="index.html" />
>> 
>>
>> Console report ... works fine ...
>>
>> Build Wiki
>> Built Wiki:  C:\bag\PortableApps\twMU\pages\tw\tw_Paul Drake\index.html
>>
>> My idea was NOT to have to hard code the name of every output wiki, but 
>> rather use the text field of "$:/WikiName" since that is built in. When Bob 
>> creates a wiki that Tiddler is created. 
>>
>> I never envisaged that getting the plain text into a global variable 
>> could be so complex! I thought the issue was just me :-). Apparently its a 
>> bit more complicated.
>>
>> J.
>>
>> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:39:21 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> I imagine this relates to invoking commands from Bob, which I haven't 
>>> studied. Where is this "path: 'c:\\'" structure located? Is it in a 
>>> regular tiddler? 
>>>
>>> If it really needs to be hard-coded text, then I think you would need a 
>>> button that would trigger actions that would create the actual text. It 
>>> would be something you need to do whenever updating your configuration, I 
>>> suppose.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:28:25 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think you need to explain more about your use case.
>

 You are right. The difficulty *IS* explaining it.

 Transclusion is so sophisticated in TW many don't realise that when you 
 create macro/variables you are transferring the "transclusion code" into 
 it, not the value, most of the time.
  

>  You could just create a global macro:
>
> \define perry() {{HelloThere!!text}}
>

 Works perfectly in most transclusion contexts. But you can see the 
 issue with that is if you use the macro in a context like a command 
 processor that only accepts literal text... the macro/variable isn't 
 holding the value, but the transclusion code to display it.

 path: 'C:\\bag\\PortableApps\\twMU\\pages\\tw\\tw_
 {{$:\\HelloThere!!text}}\\index.html'
  
 I will try layout a more detailed example and be as clear as I can. But 
 I think this starts to illustrates the issue I hope.

 Thanks
 Josiah

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Where does this button appear? In a template, or a single launch tiddler?

More importantly, why not wrap a <$set name=twName value={{$:/PerryMason}}> 
 around the button (deleting macro twName of course) ?

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Yeah its to do with Bob automation. 
>
> It works perfectly if I give it a defined literal string like this ...
>
> \define twName() Paul Drake
> \define sfTo() ..\..\pages\tw\tw_$(twName)$\
>
> And then click command to make a wiki ...
>
> <$button>
>   Make a ''<>'' single file
>   <$action-websocketmessage $type='buildHTMLWiki' outputFolder=<> 
> outputName="index.html" />
> 
>
> Console report ... works fine ...
>
> Build Wiki
> Built Wiki:  C:\bag\PortableApps\twMU\pages\tw\tw_Paul Drake\index.html
>
> My idea was NOT to have to hard code the name of every output wiki, but 
> rather use the text field of "$:/WikiName" since that is built in. When Bob 
> creates a wiki that Tiddler is created. 
>
> I never envisaged that getting the plain text into a global variable could 
> be so complex! I thought the issue was just me :-). Apparently its a bit 
> more complicated.
>
> J.
>
> On Sunday, 3 June 2018 19:39:21 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I imagine this relates to invoking commands from Bob, which I haven't 
>> studied. Where is this "path: 'c:\\'" structure located? Is it in a 
>> regular tiddler? 
>>
>> If it really needs to be hard-coded text, then I think you would need a 
>> button that would trigger actions that would create the actual text. It 
>> would be something you need to do whenever updating your configuration, I 
>> suppose.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:28:25 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark S. wrote:

 I think you need to explain more about your use case.

>>>
>>> You are right. The difficulty *IS* explaining it.
>>>
>>> Transclusion is so sophisticated in TW many don't realise that when you 
>>> create macro/variables you are transferring the "transclusion code" into 
>>> it, not the value, most of the time.
>>>  
>>>
  You could just create a global macro:

 \define perry() {{HelloThere!!text}}

>>>
>>> Works perfectly in most transclusion contexts. But you can see the issue 
>>> with that is if you use the macro in a context like a command processor 
>>> that only accepts literal text... the macro/variable isn't holding the 
>>> value, but the transclusion code to display it.
>>>
>>> path: 'C:\\bag\\PortableApps\\twMU\\pages\\tw\\tw_
>>> {{$:\\HelloThere!!text}}\\index.html'
>>>  
>>> I will try layout a more detailed example and be as clear as I can. But 
>>> I think this starts to illustrates the issue I hope.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Josiah
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Calling action widgets from within the Select Widget

['c pa' via TiddlyWiki]

To do what I wanted to do I decided to fake the Select. I wanted to select 
from a list to "Not a list" - In this case tagged tiddlers. So I could have 
a source list of tiddlers that are eligible to be tagged, and then turn 
those tags on and off from a multi-select. This is a UI option that I 
wanted available. Way easier to do using other UI options but . . .

Here's how I did it.

\define Select-To-Tags-From-List()
From $(sourceTiddler)$!!$(sourceField)$ To $(targetTag)$
<$list filter="[list[$(sourceTiddler)$!!$(sourceField)$]]" 
variable="curItem">
<$list filter="[] -[tag[$(targetTag)$]]" variable="xx"
emptyMessage=
"""

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible Selected">
<>
<>

"""
>

<$button class="tc-btn-invisible DeSelected">
<>
<>



\end

\define Action-Toggle-Tag()
<$list filter="[[$(sourceTag)$]] -[list[$(curItem)$!!tags]]" 
variable="xx"
emptyMessage=
"""
<$action-listops 
$tiddler="$(curItem)$"
$field="tags" 
$subfilter="-[[$(sourceTag)$]]" 
/>
"""
>
<$action-listops 
$tiddler="$(curItem)$"
$field="tags" 
$subfilter="[[$(sourceTag)$]]" 
/>

\end

Stylesheet
.Selected {
background-color:#3399FF;
color:white;
width:98%;
text-align:left;
}
.DeSelected {
background-color:white;
color:black;
width:98%;
text-align:left;
}

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao wjam

How would I get the output of that into a global macro/variable ?

Any tips appreciated
Josiah

On Sunday, 3 June 2018 17:59:34 UTC+2, wjam wrote:
>
> you can use the wikify widget where
>
> text='<$view tiddler="your tiddler" field="text"/>'
>
> wjam
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark

Footnote ... the "c:\\ is" an apport of error checking in node/Bob. Its not 
actually the console achieving anything.

Internally I think node based systems use "\\" to "escape" in paths. When 
things run well you never see it.

J.

Mark S. wrote:
>
> Where is this "path: 'c:\\'" structure located?
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I imagine this relates to invoking commands from Bob, which I haven't 
studied. Where is this "path: 'c:\\'" structure located? Is it in a 
regular tiddler? 

If it really needs to be hard-coded text, then I think you would need a 
button that would trigger actions that would create the actual text. It 
would be something you need to do whenever updating your configuration, I 
suppose.

-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 10:28:25 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> I think you need to explain more about your use case.
>>
>
> You are right. The difficulty *IS* explaining it.
>
> Transclusion is so sophisticated in TW many don't realise that when you 
> create macro/variables you are transferring the "transclusion code" into 
> it, not the value, most of the time.
>  
>
>>  You could just create a global macro:
>>
>> \define perry() {{HelloThere!!text}}
>>
>
> Works perfectly in most transclusion contexts. But you can see the issue 
> with that is if you use the macro in a context like a command processor 
> that only accepts literal text... the macro/variable isn't holding the 
> value, but the transclusion code to display it.
>
> path: 'C:\\bag\\PortableApps\\twMU\\pages\\tw\\tw_{{$:\\HelloThere!!text}}
> \\index.html'
>  
> I will try layout a more detailed example and be as clear as I can. But I 
> think this starts to illustrates the issue I hope.
>
> Thanks
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:
>
> I think you need to explain more about your use case.
>

You are right. The difficulty *IS* explaining it.

Transclusion is so sophisticated in TW many don't realise that that when 
you create macro/variables you are transferring the "transclusion code" 
into it, not the value, most of the time.
 

>  You could just create a global macro:
>
> \define perry() {{HelloThere!!text}}
>

Works perfectly in most transclusion contexts. But you can see the issue 
with that is if you use the macro in a context like a command processor 
that only accepts literal text... the macro/variable isn't holding the 
value, but the transclusion code to display it.

path: 'C:\\bag\\PortableApps\\twMU\\pages\\tw\\tw_{{$:\\HelloThere!!text}}
\\index.html'
 
I will try layout a more detailed example and be as clear as I can. But I 
think this starts to illustrates the issue I hope.

Thanks
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I was wondering that too. It would have to be a "Saves TWC" column just to 
indicate the "Save" functionality, but not necessarily the other 
functionality.

-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 8:54:14 AM UTC-7, Yakov wrote:
>
> Hi Josiah,
>
> I have to note that marking which of those support TWc is ambivalent if 
> other tools, that are for TWc only, are not listed, but if it's ok to add 
> those than I'd vote for it. Still, this can be confusing: like if 
> "encryption" is marked green it won't mean it is supported for TWc without 
> a separate plugin; and with a separate plugin, the support may be different 
> from that for TW5.
>
> Perhaps TiddlyChrome should be mentioned in the same section as TiddlyFox 
> ("Potential candidates").
>
> This is a single-editor project, isn't it? Or some collaborators can be 
> added?
>
> Best regards,
> Yakov.
>
> воскресенье, 3 июня 2018 г., 16:09:14 UTC+3 пользователь @TiddlyTweeter 
> написал:
>>
>> Ciao Mat
>>
>> Like Neo , you are 
>> developing a near total Setup Matrix ...
>>
>> Then ... I wondered why is there no column for "TWClassic??" ... Some of 
>> the options DO support TW Classic.
>>
>> Could that be added? The overhead seems small. The user-info. benefit 
>> significant.
>>
>> Just thoughts
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: An Outliner StoryView Prototype

[BurningTreeC]

Am Sonntag, 3. Juni 2018 18:56:12 UTC+2 schrieb Mark S.:
>
> Looks promising!
>
> How to you change the order?
>

Changing the order is currently only possible for the first level through 
the open tab in the sidebar.
Subtiddlers are tagged with their parent tiddler and so they may be 
sortable by clicking their tagpill, but I'd like to have buttons for that 
and to have them draggable 

>
> Why do you need to save to a TOC? Is the structure not saved otherwise?
>

The structure is saved -> the created tiddlers are tagged with their parent 
tiddlers
Saving it to a toc just shows what can be done.
Because in outline view all tiddlers are in edit mode I think one may want 
to switch to the normal view and have the toc there.

Currently the 1-level tiddlers get their tag through the save outline 
dialog. But i think I'll make it automatically tag all outline tiddlers 
with a tag that identifies them being part of this outline

BTC 

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[tw5] Re: An Outliner StoryView Prototype

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Looks promising!

How to you change the order?

Why do you need to save to a TOC? Is the structure not saved otherwise?

-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 9:45:31 AM UTC-7, BurningTreeC wrote:
>
> Hi community,
>
> here's an outliner storyview I'm working on:
>
> http://outlineproto.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's not perfect - I'd just like to hear what you think what's good and 
> what needs to be sorted out
>
>
> all the best, BurningTreeC
>

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[tw5] An Outliner StoryView Prototype

[BurningTreeC]

Hi community,

here's an outliner storyview I'm working on:

http://outlineproto.tiddlyspot.com/

It's not perfect - I'd just like to hear what you think what's good and 
what needs to be sorted out


all the best, BurningTreeC

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyfox + Waterfox: A portable platform

[Mohammad]

I think the same! Like Tiddlydesktop, I think waterfox can be used!
By the way I hope Tiddlyfox or similar plugin could resolve their security 
issues for saving files

Best

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 8:21:27 PM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Do you need a secure browser if you only use it for TW?
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 7:08:08 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Further to my last post.
>>
>> I made significant edits. For folk on email not able to see them on the 
>> web they are ...
>>
>> UPDATE 1: I was incorrect in saying Waterfox will shift to Web 
>> Extensions. Their blog says they will go their own way when FF ESR joins 
>> alignment with the main FF releases. Whether they can be successful 
>> creating a new secure browser remains to be seen
>>
>> UPDATE 2: Lest you are tempted to look at Pale Moon, its based on Firefox 
>> 38 ESR,  launched in 2015. Its increasingly ageing. Basilisk, its 
>> replacement, is very experimental, not yet solid.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[wjam]

you can use the wikify widget where

text='<$view tiddler="your tiddler" field="text"/>'

wjam

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

I think you need to explain more about your use case.

You could just create a global macro:

\define perry() {{HelloThere!!text}}

and then use <> anywhere. But I suspect you're trying to do 
something with the text.

Good luck!
-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 7:28:28 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I need to get the literal text of a Tiddler into a simple macro/variable. 
> I have studied the documentation (like 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Concatenating%20text%20and%20variables%20using%20macro%20substitution)
>  
> but still can't see how to do it ...
>
> *Use Case*
>
> tiddler title: "$:/PerryMason"
> text content: "Paul Drake"
>
> All I want to do is get the *literal plain text* "Paul Drake" in to a 
> variable \defined perry().
>
> Anyone know an easy way to do that?
>
> Help much appreciated
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

[Yakov]

Hi Josiah,

I have to note that marking which of those support TWc is ambivalent if 
other tools, that are for TWc only, are not listed, but if it's ok to add 
those than I'd vote for it. Still, this can be confusing: like if 
"encryption" is marked green it won't mean it is supported for TWc without 
a separate plugin; and with a separate plugin, the support may be different 
from that for TW5.

Perhaps TiddlyChrome should be mentioned in the same section as TiddlyFox 
("Potential candidates").

This is a single-editor project, isn't it? Or some collaborators can be 
added?

Best regards,
Yakov.

воскресенье, 3 июня 2018 г., 16:09:14 UTC+3 пользователь @TiddlyTweeter 
написал:
>
> Ciao Mat
>
> Like Neo , you are 
> developing a near total Setup Matrix ...
>
> Then ... I wondered why is there no column for "TWClassic??" ... Some of 
> the options DO support TW Classic.
>
> Could that be added? The overhead seems small. The user-info. benefit 
> significant.
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyfox + Waterfox: A portable platform

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Do you need a secure browser if you only use it for TW?

-- Mark

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 7:08:08 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Further to my last post.
>
> I made significant edits. For folk on email not able to see them on the 
> web they are ...
>
> UPDATE 1: I was incorrect in saying Waterfox will shift to Web Extensions. 
> Their blog says they will go their own way when FF ESR joins alignment with 
> the main FF releases. Whether they can be successful creating a new secure 
> browser remains to be seen
>
> UPDATE 2: Lest you are tempted to look at Pale Moon, its based on Firefox 
> 38 ESR,  launched in 2015. Its increasingly ageing. Basilisk, its 
> replacement, is very experimental, not yet solid.
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Diego

Looks part the way there. But I need get the (literal text) value "Paul 
Drake" into a Global Macro <> for use elsewhere. As far as I grasp 
$set use is limited to its context? Excuse my ignorance if I'm wrong.

J. 

On Sunday, 3 June 2018 16:52:56 UTC+2, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hello Josiah,
>
> On Tiddlywki.com if you type:
>
> <$set name="perry" tiddler="HelloThere" field="text">
> hello! <>
> 
>
> You get the literal text of the tiddler HelloThere. Is this what you mean?
>
> On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 9:28:28 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I need to get the literal text of a Tiddler into a simple macro/variable. 
>> I have studied the documentation (like 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Concatenating%20text%20and%20variables%20using%20macro%20substitution)
>>  
>> but still can't see how to do it ...
>>
>> *Use Case*
>>
>> tiddler title: "$:/PerryMason"
>> text content: "Paul Drake"
>>
>> All I want to do is get the *literal plain text* "Paul Drake" in to a 
>> variable \defined perry().
>>
>> Anyone know an easy way to do that?
>>
>> Help much appreciated
>> Josiah
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[Diego Mesa]

Hello Josiah,

On Tiddlywki.com if you type:

<$set name="perry" tiddler="HelloThere" field="text">
hello! <>


You get the literal text of the tiddler HelloThere. Is this what you mean?

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 9:28:28 AM UTC-5, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> I need to get the literal text of a Tiddler into a simple macro/variable. 
> I have studied the documentation (like 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Concatenating%20text%20and%20variables%20using%20macro%20substitution)
>  
> but still can't see how to do it ...
>
> *Use Case*
>
> tiddler title: "$:/PerryMason"
> text content: "Paul Drake"
>
> All I want to do is get the *literal plain text* "Paul Drake" in to a 
> variable \defined perry().
>
> Anyone know an easy way to do that?
>
> Help much appreciated
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Basic Problem -- How to get Tiddler text into a variable (NOT a transclusion)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I need to get the literal text of a Tiddler into a simple macro/variable. I 
have studied the documentation (like 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#Concatenating%20text%20and%20variables%20using%20macro%20substitution)
 
but still can't see how to do it ...

*Use Case*

tiddler title: "$:/PerryMason"
text content: "Paul Drake"

All I want to do is get the *literal plain text* "Paul Drake" in to a 
variable \defined perry().

Anyone know an easy way to do that?

Help much appreciated
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyfox + Waterfox: A portable platform

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Further to my last post.

I made significant edits. For folk on email not able to see them on the web 
they are ...

UPDATE 1: I was incorrect in saying Waterfox will shift to Web Extensions. 
Their blog says they will go their own way when FF ESR joins alignment with 
the main FF releases. Whether they can be successful creating a new secure 
browser remains to be seen

UPDATE 2: Lest you are tempted to look at Pale Moon, its based on Firefox 
38 ESR,  launched in 2015. Its increasingly ageing. Basilisk, its 
replacement, is very experimental, not yet solid.

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[tw5] Re: Use filed in filter

[TonyM]

And as Eric said


Try the "has:fieldname[]" filter operator.  This will select only tiddlers that 
have "fieldname" defined, even if the field has no value assigned.  If you 
intend to list only those tiddler that have actual values for a field, you can 
use the "has[fieldname]" form of the filter, which selects only tiddlers with 
that field having a **non-blank** value.

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[tw5] Re: Tiddlyfox + Waterfox: A portable platform

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Quick Reply ...

Recent Waterfox code is based on Firefox ESR. Firefox ESR gets more regular 
security updates than it does.

The big issue will come when Firefox shifts ESR version (that currently 
still allows old style add-ons) and retires old style add-ons. The plan for 
that is in July. Practically with ESR you should be okay till a couple of 
months after that.

Firefox forks I have looked at are still wholly dependent on the underlying 
FF code and all will, sooner, or later, have to shift to Web Extensions.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Sunday, 3 June 2018 05:03:27 UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
>
>  The latest tiddlyfox from : https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox
>
> and 
>
> The latest portable waterfox browser from: 
> http://www.softpedia.com/get/PORTABLE-SOFTWARE/Internet/Browsers/Waterfox-Portable.shtml
>
>
> can be used to edit and save Tiddlywiki single files. and the combination 
> shows great performance. 
>
>
> Main waterfox website: https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/
>
>
> If you don't linke portable version, use the desktop from the main site.
>
> Note: It seems the offiical site only releases the 64x version.
>
>
> Tested: Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 64x.
>
>
> Best
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: SetUp - a guide to set up a great TW system

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mat

Like Neo , you are developing 
a near total Setup Matrix ...

Then ... I wondered why is there no column for "TWClassic??" ... Some of 
the options DO support TW Classic.

Could that be added? The overhead seems small. The user-info. benefit 
significant.

Just thoughts
Josiah

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Re: [tw5] TW in Public -- Karl Arao's TWClassic

[Yakov]

Hi Karl,

could you clarify what Feedburner 
(http://feeds.feedburner.com/KarlAraoTiddlyWiki) helps with here? (I 
haven't tried using RSS generated by TW yet but I'm considering doing so in 
the future) Is it used because you host on github pages?

By the way, are you aware of the 
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/tiddlywikiclassic group? May be of 
interest for you.

Best regards,
Yakov.

понедельник, 28 мая 2018 г., 21:27:52 UTC+3 пользователь Karl Arao - 
karlarao.tiddlyspot.com написал:
>
>
> yup still using it since 2008! 
>
> I moved it from tiddlyspot to git pages 
> https://karlarao.github.io/karlaraowiki/index.html and URL redirect from 
> karlarao.wiki 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 1:10 PM, @TiddlyTweeter  > wrote:
>
>>
>> https://karlarao.github.io/karlaraowiki/index.html#%5B%5BData%20Engineering%5D%5D
>>
>> An older TW still being added to years later.
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[tw5] Re: Use filed in filter

[Mohammad]

Thank you Eric
Thank you Mark,

Yes, I got the point now! I meant the tiddler has the filed, so I have to 
use the has operator.

Cheers
Mohammad

On Sunday, June 3, 2018 at 9:13:45 AM UTC+4:30, Mark S. wrote:
>
> From TiddlyWiki.com, field operator tiddler:
>
>
> If S is empty, field will match both of the following:
>>
>>- tiddlers that don't contain field F
>>- tiddlers in which field F exists but has an empty value
>>
>> So, it returns everything because  note doesn't exist anywhere. What you 
> probably want is the "has" operator:
>
> [has[note]]
>>
>
>
> HTH
> -- Mark
>
> On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 8:41:39 PM UTC-7, Mohammad wrote:
>>
>> Consider this code:
>>
>> <$list filter="[field:note[]]">
>> <>
>> 
>>
>>
>> If you put in a tiddler in tiddlywiki.com, then it returns all tiddlers. 
>> while I expect to return all tiddlers having a filed called *note*
>>
>>
>> If you remove [] from note, TW returns an error, if you put something 
>> inside [] as input parameter, it works fine and look for note filed 
>> containing that input.
>>
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[tw5] Re: Migration from TWC to TW5

[TonyM]

Reto,

I know where you are coming from because I have a large TWC myself, but 
basically I am developing new TW5 solutions and retaining my TWC as an 
archive. I may export TWC content (rather than actual code etc...)  but 
there is more to be gained from using TW5 uncomplicated by a conversion. It 
is a learning curve I have no doubt, but it is even easier to do what we 
used to in TWC than ever. 

Personally I am building the solutions I had in TWC in TW5 at a logical 
practical level rather than migrations. I am also finding ways for TW5 
wikis to interact so now I can divide my work amongst multiple wikis. 

Unfortunately scripts do not work as they did in TWC with the Plugin, but 
fortunately most of what scripts were used for in TWC no longer need 
scripts in TW5

Regards
Tony 

On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 4:11:34 PM UTC+10, Reto wrote:
>
> I am using TWC since 10 years and it is heavily customized and contains a 
> lot of tiddlers (> 12'000 in total, about 140 with some kind of functions). 
> Nevertheless my aim is to migrate to TW5. One problem is to identify parts 
> which needs to be rewritten.
>
> I wonder if there is a way how I could make a tiddler evaluate in which 
> version of tiddly wiki it runs. Of course this mechanism should work in TWC 
> as well as TW5. In this way I could just import my TWC into TW5 and check 
> for each of my function tiddler what exactly is needed to make it run in 
> TW5.
>
> My question: is there a way how the InlineJavascript syntax 
> ... of TWC could be made working in TW5? Any other ideas 
> how to achive this?
>

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[tw5] Re: Node and Dropbox (again)

[TonyM]

Just an aside,

You say a*ccess  wiki via a phone app, so I cannot only rely on the 
standard node server. *I am not sure that is true.

I run node on my mobile using Termux, and installed node tiddlywiki

Then when at home I can use my desktop to access the mobile wiki.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 11:46:39 PM UTC+10, fallwest1 wrote:
>
> I know there have been several previous discussions about Node and Dropbox.
>
> I need to be able to access my wiki via a phone app, so I cannot only rely 
> on the standard node server.
>
> I was thinking of using npm-watch or something similar. I could set a 
> watch for changes on all .tid files and export to a html file when changes 
> occur. I could also listen for changes to the html file and export to .tid 
> files when I change the html file from my phone app.
>
> But I would of course need to avoid going into a unending loop between 
> these two.
>
> I also understand that I will need to restart the tw node server when I 
> make changes from another machine (affecting the .tid files)
>
> Does anyone have experience using such a setup?
>
> Best,
>
> James
>
>

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