date:20190120

Everybody like Quinoid

Please star it at
 https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases/tag/v0.0.03alpha

It is good to give a star to these projects, so developer knows how many 
people interested in and will be encouraged to keep it maintained!
Also this will bring its rank up in the list.

Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid

Hi Mark,
 Many thanks for your excellent app.
Work with TW on Gdrive like a charm.


My Experiment:

System: Android 9
  4 GB RAM, Quad Core Snapdragon

   1. Uninstall previous version
   2. install the new alpha release
   3. NO PERMISSION granted
   4. Tap on system explorer
   5. From left menu select Drive
   6. In Drive navigate and select my index.html stored in my Gogle Drive 
   under TW folder
   7. The file is added to wiki list in Quinoid, tap and open it
   8. Create a new tiddler and put text and save it

*Finding: Quinoid without requiring any grants opens my wikis stored on 
Google Drive for read/write.*

See below the steps using screenshots

[image: p01.jpg]

[image: P02.jpg]

[image: P03.jpg]

[image: P04.jpg]

[image: P05.jpeg]


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Re: [tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread Suzanne McHale

Yes, I am having the same issue! (Asking to confirm each tiddler.)

On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 4:11:23 PM UTC+11, Mohammad wrote:
>
> Thanks Riz,
> Okay give a try when you are at desktop.
>
> Note:
> I gonna to export say tens of tiddlers! The plugin ask to confirm each 
> tiddler export!
> I am on Chrome 71 Win10.
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>
>

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[tw5] Comments Plugin

2019-01-20 Thread Damon Pritchett

Hi All,

I've got a tiddler that is tagged with $:/tags/ViewTemplate that I use to 
append text to the bottom of all tiddlers with a certain tag. I've started 
playing with the new comments plugin, which I like a lot, but it shows up 
before the text that I'm appending on those certain tiddlers. I'd actually 
like the comments to be at the bottom with my appended text just above the 
comments. How would I go about doing this or is it even possible?

Thanks once again,

Damon

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[tw5] Re: Quinoid

2019-01-20 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Latest release here at a new place:

https://github.com/Marxsal/Quinoid01/releases/tag/v0.0.03alpha

Experimental support for system files including GDrive.

The two buttons are now called Local Explorer and System Explorer

As Android ratchets up security, accessing files as ordinary files becomes
more difficult. Instead, they provide a different mechanism that works
through their own "file" explorer. The 2nd button launches this feature. If
you have GDrive files pinned (they have to be pinned) then you should be
able to load them up (behind the scenes, Quinoid is making them into temp
files that can be edited).

Pinch/zoom added. If you swipe through the pages and then go back to the
list, the list will have been (temporarily) updated with the TW title. The
titles don't persist yet, but may be helpful for understanding which file
you are launching.

Be careful! Don't depend on GDrive to do backing up for you! Treat as alpha.

I don't know yet which Android versions will support the system explorer. I
*think* it's version 6 through 9, but it takes time to test.

Have fun,
-- Mark

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Re: [tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

Thanks Riz,
Okay give a try when you are at desktop.

Note:
I gonna to export say tens of tiddlers! The plugin ask to confirm each 
tiddler export!
I am on Chrome 71 Win10.

Cheers
Mohammad


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Re: [tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread Rizwan Ishak

As Tony pointed out.

1. Copy the button code given in my previous post to a tiddler in your wiki.
2. Change the filter from [tag[HelloThere]] to whatever you want. 
3. Save the tiddler. 
4. Press the resulting button.

@Mohammed.
I am on phone now. So I can't test in desktop browsers. Curiously, the 
confirmation dialogue doesn't appear in android phone. It just goes on to 
download html files.

Sincerely,
Riz.

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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread TonyM

Post Script

I want to use TiddlyWiki again?, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

Take the red Pill!

On Monday, 21 January 2019 14:58:15 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>
> Suzanne,
>
> In your own tiddler, Change the filter in the example above to obtain the 
> list of tiddlers to export, then click to export. Try one tiddler to start 
> with.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 21 January 2019 13:20:33 UTC+11, Suzanne McHale wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, thanks for the script! I imported the script OK, but I'm a bit 
>> embarrassed to say that I can't figure out exactly how to use it! Is there 
>> supposed to be a button somewhere to activate it?
>>
>> On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 2:54:30 AM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Still seems to be no way to generate single static pages for each Tiddly 
 aside from the convoluted Node.js method via the command line

>>>
>>> If I understand correctly, you want to export multiple tiddlers from 
>>> your standalone Tiddlywiki to separate Html files, the same way static site 
>>> generators do. 
>>>  I am attaching a plugin called staticExporter macro. Drag and drop it 
>>> to your standalone Tiddlywiki, refresh the wiki. Now use it like this.
>>>
>>> <$button actions=<>> 
>>> Export all tiddlers tagged HelloThere to separate HTML files. 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can read more about it in the readme section of the plugin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread TonyM

Suzanne,

In your own tiddler, Change the filter in the example above to obtain the 
list of tiddlers to export, then click to export. Try one tiddler to start 
with.

Regards
Tony





On Monday, 21 January 2019 13:20:33 UTC+11, Suzanne McHale wrote:
>
>
> Hi, thanks for the script! I imported the script OK, but I'm a bit 
> embarrassed to say that I can't figure out exactly how to use it! Is there 
> supposed to be a button somewhere to activate it?
>
> On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 2:54:30 AM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Still seems to be no way to generate single static pages for each Tiddly 
>>> aside from the convoluted Node.js method via the command line
>>>
>>
>> If I understand correctly, you want to export multiple tiddlers from your 
>> standalone Tiddlywiki to separate Html files, the same way static site 
>> generators do. 
>>  I am attaching a plugin called staticExporter macro. Drag and drop it to 
>> your standalone Tiddlywiki, refresh the wiki. Now use it like this.
>>
>> <$button actions=<>> 
>> Export all tiddlers tagged HelloThere to separate HTML files. 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You can read more about it in the readme section of the plugin.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

Thanks Thomas.
I will do that.

Cheers
Mohammad

On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 11:59:59 PM UTC+3:30, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> You would write a tiddler like e.g. this 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#%22TiddlyWiki%20Toolmap%22%20by%20David%20Gifford 
> – see more examples via the next link – and submit it either as a pull 
> request on github or as an attachment to a post here in the group (in hope 
> for help from e Github pro). 
>
> When it has been accepted (and tiddlywiki.com has been updated) it will 
> be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/#Resources
>
> Good luck!
> Thomas
>

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[tw5] Re: Notes on experimenting with external content

2019-01-20 Thread barrowgloom

You're welcome.  You know the cool thing about this post?  The initial post 
with all the ordered and unordered formatting was a direct copy and paste 
from the tiddler-- Firefox kept the frmatting during the paste-- I didn't 
have to compose anything in the post edit window, just paste and hit 
submit.  The beauty of TW being browser based.

On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 2:29:26 PM UTC-5, Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Barro,
>  Thank you! Added to TW-Scripts.
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: So overwhelmed...node.js on a godaddy shared hosting site?

Jennifer,

The fact that the tiddlywiki server is receiving a url like "
path":"/public_html/index.html.var" means the issue is likely on the you
have apache configured or the way the hosting provider has apache
configured. So you might find better help on some forum related to your
hosting provider.

Do you have any reference to /public_html/index.html.var in your .htaccess
file? I'm not sure where that would be coming from.

One thing to try just as an experiment. Add 'path-prefix=/public_html/index.
html.var' to your tiddlywiki command line (
https://tiddlywiki.com/#WebServer%20Parameter%3A%20path-prefix). If that
prefix is always added by apache to the url, then it might help you get a
non-404 response from tiddlywiki. Better would be to prevent apache from
sending that prefix, but at least this would tell you if there are any
additional problems once you resolve that.

Brian

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:20 PM Jennifer Pritchard 
wrote:

> Ok, here's what it gave:
>
> asariel1977@a2plcpnl0868 [~/public_html]$ tiddlywiki notes --listen
> port=3000 debug-level=full
> Serving on http://127.0.0.1:3000
> (press ctrl-C to exit)
>  syncer-server-filesystem: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
>  filesystem: Saved file
> /home/asariel1977/public_html/notes/tiddlers/$__StoryList.tid
> Request path:
> {"protocol":null,"slashes":null,"auth":null,"host":null,"port":null,"hostname":null,"hash":null,"search":null,"query":null,"pathname":"/public_html/index.html.var","path":"/public_html/index.html.var","href":"/public_html/index.html.var"}
> Request headers:
> {"host":"localhost:3000","cache-control":"max-age=0","upgrade-insecure-requests":"1","user-agent":"Mozilla/5.0
> (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko)
> Chrome/71.0.3578.98
> Safari/537.36","accept":"text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8","accept-encoding":"gzip,
> deflate","accept-language":"en-US,en;q=0.9","cookie":"i3115022_mw1_mw_UserID=1;
> i3115022_mw1_mw_UserName=Jen;
> i3115022_mw1_mw_Token=eb09507694eff820f432248f7e6e696a;
> i3115022_mw1_mw__session=2son1isnk2tphjpa5e3qiod1kadacji3;
> txtMainTab=Timeline;
> chkBackstage=false","x-forwarded-for":"71.231.120.115","x-forwarded-host":"
> www.datajen.com","x-forwarded-server":"datajen.com","connection":"close"}
> authenticatedUsername: undefined
>
>
> So...I guess that's a clue, but I haven't yet figured out what exactly
> it's telling me.  I wonder why it's adding a ".var" at the end of
> index.html.  Where is it getting that idea?
>
>
> On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 8:21:07 AM UTC-8, Brian Theado wrote:
>>
>> Jennifer,
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:36 PM Jennifer Pritchard 
>> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Next, I run the "tiddlywiki folderwhereiwanttokeepmyTW --listen
>>> port=3000"  (that's another thing, I figured out that godaddy wants
>>> everything to listen on port 3000.  This requires that I put a .htaccess
>>> file in /home/myusername with a "RewriteEngine on" and "RewriteRule (.*)
>>> http://localhost:3000/$1 [P,L]" in it).
>>>
>>
>>
>>> It spits out confirmation that it's serving correctly on port 3000...
>>>
>> That's a good sign
>>
>>
>>> but then I go to view it and I just get a 404 page.
>>>
>> 404 page could be coming from the apache server or from the tiddlywiki
>> nodejs
>>
>>
>>>   Interestingly enough, when I kill the session, the page changes to a
>>> "server is temporarily unavailable to service your request" message, so
>>> it's like *something* is happening *somewhere*.
>>>
>> Based on this clue it is more likely the 404 is coming from the
>> tiddlywiki nodejs than from Apache.
>>
>> If a request like http://localhost:3000/somejunkhere were to go to the
>> tiddlywiki, then it would return a 404 not found. It could be the $1 in
>> your apache rewrite rule is passing something unexpected.
>>
>> I recommend adding debug-level=full to your tiddlywiki command line (see
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#WebServer%20Parameter%3A%20debug-level). From
>> the tiddlywiki server code, it looks like that option will display (among
>> other things) information about the requested url. See the console.log
>> calls below:
>>
>> // Find the route that matches this path
>> var route = self.findMatchingRoute(request,state);
>> // Optionally output debug info
>> if(self.get("debug-level") !== "none") {
>> console.log("Request
>> path:",JSON.stringify(state.urlInfo));
>> console.log("Request
>> headers:",JSON.stringify(request.headers));
>>
>> console.log("authenticatedUsername:",state.authenticatedUsername);
>> }
>> // Return a 404 if we didn't find a route
>> if(!route) {
>> response.writeHead(404);
>> response.end();
>> return;
>> }
>>
>> Then after you get the 404 in your browser, you should see the above
>> console.log output from the tiddlywiki process (i.e. in your putty
>> session).

Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Locator: Discover and search by context (tags)

Ok, I think I get it now. The new behavior you describe would show all the
tiddlers which are tagged with the tag you click, which would serve the
same purpose as my request of displaying those same tiddlers in the tag
pill popup.  It seems reasonable to me if you implement it that way.

One other suggestion I thought of while looking at it. The tags which are
part of the tag hierarchy are initially displayed with a right arrow and as
gray links. Then when you click on them and they become a "breadcrumb" of
the tag hierarchy, they are displayed as tag pills. I think it would be
better if there is some visual consistency in order to give the user extra
clues about the breadcrumbs being the same "thing" before and after they
are clicked.  You already have the tag icon to help differentiate between
the tags in the tag hierarchy and the tags which are just extra filters.
This is good, but I think also keeping the tag hierarchy items visually
consistent would help that much more.

If you hadn't included the picture of the Ford Family tree along with the
example, I don't think I would have been able to really understand the
functionality. Maybe my suggestion would have helped, but I'm not sure.

Brian

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 1:11 PM bimlas  wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear. Yes, the current behaviour is really
> what you described. What I said above (and illustrated with pictures) would
> be a new behavior. Please read it again and tell me if you think it would
> be useful.
>
> In a nutshell: currently clicking on the tag (1) opens the tiddler (2), in
> its toolbar by clicking on the button (3) lists the tagged tiddlers in the
> sidebar (4).
> Only 1 and 4 would be in the new behavior.
>
> The advantage over the built-in drop-down is that you see the related tags.
>
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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread Suzanne McHale

Yes, I guess finding that one perfect software is realistically impossible! 

On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 5:16:38 PM UTC+11, barro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> All difficult questions, but like you, I like browser based aspect, so I 
> say go with TW till you find *Ash durbatulûk* (BlackSpeech for one to 
> rule them all, also the name of one of my TW's).  Jeremy created something 
> I was trying with frames so TW serves me well but I'm used to modding 
> things to fit my purposes but I can understand people not wanting to take 
> time away from their creative pursuits to do so.  It's hard to find 
> software tailored to everyone's unique needs or to provide everything 
> desired.
>

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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread Suzanne McHale


Hi, I imported the script OK, but I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I can't 
figure out exactly how to use it!  Is there supposed to be a button 
somewhere to activate it?

On Monday, January 21, 2019 at 2:54:30 AM UTC+11, Riz wrote:
>
> Still seems to be no way to generate single static pages for each Tiddly 
>> aside from the convoluted Node.js method via the command line
>>
>
> If I understand correctly, you want to export multiple tiddlers from your 
> standalone Tiddlywiki to separate Html files, the same way static site 
> generators do. 
>  I am attaching a plugin called staticExporter macro. Drag and drop it to 
> your standalone Tiddlywiki, refresh the wiki. Now use it like this.
>
> <$button actions=<>> 
> Export all tiddlers tagged HelloThere to separate HTML files. 
> 
>
>
>
>
> You can read more about it in the readme section of the plugin.
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: So overwhelmed...node.js on a godaddy shared hosting site?

2019-01-20 Thread Jennifer Pritchard

Ok, here's what it gave:

asariel1977@a2plcpnl0868 [~/public_html]$ tiddlywiki notes --listen 
port=3000 debug-level=full
Serving on http://127.0.0.1:3000
(press ctrl-C to exit)
 syncer-server-filesystem: Dispatching 'save' task: $:/StoryList
 filesystem: Saved file 
/home/asariel1977/public_html/notes/tiddlers/$__StoryList.tid
Request path: 
{"protocol":null,"slashes":null,"auth":null,"host":null,"port":null,"hostname":null,"hash":null,"search":null,"query":null,"pathname":"/public_html/index.html.var","path":"/public_html/index.html.var","href":"/public_html/index.html.var"}
Request headers: 
{"host":"localhost:3000","cache-control":"max-age=0","upgrade-insecure-requests":"1","user-agent":"Mozilla/5.0
 
(Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) 
Chrome/71.0.3578.98 
Safari/537.36","accept":"text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8","accept-encoding":"gzip,
 
deflate","accept-language":"en-US,en;q=0.9","cookie":"i3115022_mw1_mw_UserID=1; 
i3115022_mw1_mw_UserName=Jen; 
i3115022_mw1_mw_Token=eb09507694eff820f432248f7e6e696a; 
i3115022_mw1_mw__session=2son1isnk2tphjpa5e3qiod1kadacji3; 
txtMainTab=Timeline; 
chkBackstage=false","x-forwarded-for":"71.231.120.115","x-forwarded-host":"www.datajen.com","x-forwarded-server":"datajen.com","connection":"close"}
authenticatedUsername: undefined


So...I guess that's a clue, but I haven't yet figured out what exactly it's 
telling me.  I wonder why it's adding a ".var" at the end of index.html.  
Where is it getting that idea?


On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 8:21:07 AM UTC-8, Brian Theado wrote:
>
> Jennifer,
>
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:36 PM Jennifer Pritchard  > wrote:
> [...] 
>
>> Next, I run the "tiddlywiki folderwhereiwanttokeepmyTW --listen 
>> port=3000"  (that's another thing, I figured out that godaddy wants 
>> everything to listen on port 3000.  This requires that I put a .htaccess 
>> file in /home/myusername with a "RewriteEngine on" and "RewriteRule (.*) 
>> http://localhost:3000/$1 [P,L]" in it). 
>>
>  
>
>> It spits out confirmation that it's serving correctly on port 3000...
>>
> That's a good sign
>  
>
>> but then I go to view it and I just get a 404 page.
>>
> 404 page could be coming from the apache server or from the tiddlywiki 
> nodejs
>  
>
>>   Interestingly enough, when I kill the session, the page changes to a 
>> "server is temporarily unavailable to service your request" message, so 
>> it's like *something* is happening *somewhere*.
>>
> Based on this clue it is more likely the 404 is coming from the tiddlywiki 
> nodejs than from Apache.
>
> If a request like http://localhost:3000/somejunkhere were to go to the 
> tiddlywiki, then it would return a 404 not found. It could be the $1 in 
> your apache rewrite rule is passing something unexpected.
>
> I recommend adding debug-level=full to your tiddlywiki command line (see 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#WebServer%20Parameter%3A%20debug-level). From the 
> tiddlywiki server code, it looks like that option will display (among other 
> things) information about the requested url. See the console.log calls 
> below:
>
> // Find the route that matches this path
> var route = self.findMatchingRoute(request,state);
> // Optionally output debug info
> if(self.get("debug-level") !== "none") {
> console.log("Request path:",JSON.stringify(state.urlInfo));
> console.log("Request 
> headers:",JSON.stringify(request.headers));
> 
> console.log("authenticatedUsername:",state.authenticatedUsername);
> }
> // Return a 404 if we didn't find a route
> if(!route) {
> response.writeHead(404);
> response.end();
> return;
> }
>
> Then after you get the 404 in your browser, you should see the above 
> console.log output from the tiddlywiki process (i.e. in your putty 
> session). If you don't see output, then maybe apache is the one returning 
> the 404 after all. If you do see output, hopefully it gives you a clue on 
> what apache is passing in the $1 part of the rewrite url.
>
> Brian
>

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[tw5] Re: <$wikify> needs <$text> to honour tilde-based wikilink suppression

2019-01-20 Thread David Nebauer

Here is the actual use case where I concatenate a number of tiddlers 
describing plugins. For each tiddler I am using the concatenated content of 
a tiddler field as a heading, prefixing it with a '! ' heading token.

<$list filter="[tag[InstalledPlugin]sort[title]]">
  <$setvars pluginNames="[input[][][, ]]" _input={{!!plugin.names}}>
<$wikify name="pluginsHeading" text="""! <$text 
text=<>/>""" output="html">
  <>

  
  <$transclude mode="block" tiddler=<>/>


Here is where I needed the to use <$text> to ensure tildes in the field 
content are honoured.
Can the above snippet be simplified?

On Sunday, 20 January 2019 22:42:28 UTC+9:30, David Nebauer wrote:
>
> In playing about with listing tiddlers I discovered that passing a value 
> like "~WikiLink" to <$wikify> resulted in it being rendered as a wikilink 
> despite the tilde. However, adding a <$text> widget caused <$wikify> to 
> behave as I expected.
>
> Here is an example:
>
> <$set name="testVar" value="WikiLink ~NoWikiLink">
>
>   
>
>   <$wikify name="testOutput1" text=<> output="html">
> <>
>   
>
>   
>
>   <$wikify name="testOutput2" text="<$text text=<>/>" 
> output="html">
> <>
>   
>
> 
>
> This resulted in the following output:
>
> WikiLink  NoWikiLink 
> 
>
> 
>
> WikiLink  NoWikiLink
>
>
> I don't understand why the <$wikify> widget does not honour the tilde.
>
>
> I don't understand why adding a <$text> widget causes the <$wikify> widget 
> to behave as expected.
>
>
> I'm sure this makes sense to someone with intimate knowledge of how these 
> widgets operate, but it is counterintuitive to newbies who expect <$wikify> 
> to render wikitext, and <$text> to do the opposite, as described in 
> TextWidget  help.
>
>
> Is there a better solution than the <$text> one I stumbled across?
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Highlight in bold the dates in the Recent tab

Hi Xabriña,

Nice idea! I put this in a tiddler tagged $:/tags/Stylesheet 

/* Recent tab */

.tc-sidebar-lists .tc-timeline {
   font-weight: bold;
}


Happy styling!
Thomas

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

You would write a tiddler like e.g. this 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#%22TiddlyWiki%20Toolmap%22%20by%20David%20Gifford – 
see more examples via the next link – and submit it either as a pull 
request on github or as an attachment to a post here in the group (in hope 
for help from e Github pro). 

When it has been accepted (and tiddlywiki.com has been updated) it will be 
available on https://tiddlywiki.com/#Resources

Good luck!
Thomas

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

2019-01-20 Thread Watt

"Do you use text to speech for writing such long comments?"

3 thumbs Thomas, on each hand ;)

I'm going to try installing the plugins and see if I can contribute something 
constructive back to you. It may take some time but you've done all the hard 
work. I think my suggestions are mainly about layout and appearance, from one 
mobile zombie's perspective. 

Marie Kondo is on Netflix now. She's should be required viewing for app 
designers!

Thanks again for the great work! 

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[tw5] Re: Notes on experimenting with external content

Hi Barro,
 Thank you! Added to TW-Scripts.

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On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 3:29:50 PM UTC+3:30, barro...@gmail.com 
wrote:
>
> attaching tid file for importing into TW Scripts for testing the 
> submission process
>

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

Thank you Thomas!
No, I did not! how can I do that?

Cheers
Mohammad

On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 9:45:26 PM UTC+3:30, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Thank you, Mohammad, great job!
>
> Did you already submit your site to include in resources on tiddlywiki.com? 
>
>
> Kind regards, 
> Thomas 
>
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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

Nice plugin Riz,

 It shows a confirmation window to export every tiddler, how to restrict 
this to only one time confirmation window?

Cheers
Mohammad

On Sunday, January 20, 2019 at 7:24:30 PM UTC+3:30, Riz wrote:
>
> Still seems to be no way to generate single static pages for each Tiddly 
>> aside from the convoluted Node.js method via the command line
>>
>
> If I understand correctly, you want to export multiple tiddlers from your 
> standalone Tiddlywiki to separate Html files, the same way static site 
> generators do. 
>  I am attaching a plugin called staticExporter macro. Drag and drop it to 
> your standalone Tiddlywiki, refresh the wiki. Now use it like this.
>
> <$button actions=<>> 
> Export all tiddlers tagged HelloThere to separate HTML files. 
> 
>
>
>
>
> You can read more about it in the readme section of the plugin.
>
>
>
> Javascript-based tag pills do not work in exported static HTML page.
>>
>
> You mean, if you click on it, the drop-down showing "other tiddlers with 
> same tag" is not appearing? I haven't done it myself either, but I have an 
> inkling that this is also possible. Of course you'll have to tweak the 
> template and link to a copy of external-js of Tiddlywiki, and create a 
> static list. Difficult, probably time consuming, but possible I guess. 
>
> "Feature creep" – TW is getting more and more features added to it, 
>> which is adding to the basic file size.
>>
>
> I understand this and voice the same opinion. A number of things in the 
> recent editions should have been official plugins. What I usually do is, 
> when a new version come out, I git clone it to a local folder, remove the 
> unnecessary things, add the stuff I use regularly, build it to an empty 
> standalone file and use that thereafter, instead of downloading standalone 
> html from Tiddlywiki.com
>
>
>
> I want to use TW as simply as possible, in its original intent – as a 
>> browser-based program. I have my browser open all the time when on my PC, 
>> and it is very convenient to switch a tab to my TW, rather than the other 
>> methods of using it via a server, or a stand-alone program such as 
>> Tiddlydesktop. Will TW be able to be used like this into the future?
>>
>
>
> Have you met Timimi  ?
>
> 
>
>
>
> Despite my trepidations, I still like the program and want to be able to 
>> use it (have to admit that I spend a bit of time "playing" with it!). I 
>> still have not found the "one program to rule them all" when it comes to 
>> writing and recording my data and creative work, but TW has a lot of 
>> elements I like. (Dokuwiki is another wiki I like, but it is more complex 
>> and requires a server to function.) The community around it is also 
>> welcoming and friendly!
>>
>
> I have tried out dozens of softwares out there in search of a perfect tool 
> for building my personal knowledge base. I set the following criteria.
>
> - FOSS
> - Offline first 
> - Tweakable
> - Scalable
> - Cross platform.
>
> In my experience, Tiddlywiki is second only to org mode for the purpose. 
> But then, there will be always org mode. It is unfair to any note taking 
> software to be  compared to  org-freakin-mode,  which enjoys the full 
> hearted support of an ecosystem build by Richard St. Ignucious Stallman 
> himself in C, and is extensible by the language of gods. I heard that they 
> are even porting it to rust to enable multi threading. My point is, the 
> apples and oranges comparison aside, Tiddlywiki is your best bet if you are 
> not an org mode fan. 
>
> sincerely,
> Riz
>

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[tw5] Mobile done/ save tiddler button

2019-01-20 Thread Ste Wilson

Always double tap

https://youtu.be/JmA2WYyw-_A

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

Thank you, Mohammad, great job!

Did you already submit your site to include in resources on tiddlywiki.com? 

Kind regards, 
Thomas 

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Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Locator: Discover and search by context (tags)

2019-01-20 Thread bimlas

Brian,

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear. Yes, the current behaviour is really what 
you described. What I said above (and illustrated with pictures) would be a new 
behavior. Please read it again and tell me if you think it would be useful.

In a nutshell: currently clicking on the tag (1) opens the tiddler (2), in its 
toolbar by clicking on the button (3) lists the tagged tiddlers in the sidebar 
(4). 
Only 1 and 4 would be in the new behavior.

The advantage over the built-in drop-down is that you see the related tags.

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Demo] TW5 for Readers and Writers

Thank you very much for this elaborate comment, Watt, aka Marie Kondo :–D

Did you really write all this on a phone? I am impressed! I will not answer
everything nor will I be able to invent the ultimate TW reader application
you are dreaming of – sorry.

So just some short statements from Mr. Picky here. Read with a ;–)

Am Sa., 19. Jan. 2019 um 13:42 Uhr schrieb Watt :

> I had another look Thomas, and your explanations helped, but you need many
> more explanatory signposts up on the site. I really like the complex
> functionality you are working towards. It is a complicated beast though, a
> bit like a powerful sports car with all the engine and mechanics on the
> outside and the sleek, polished bodywork hidden underneath. It may not be
> ready for the luxury showroom yet but when the mechanics are tuned and
> hidden away Reader/Writer could be a classic vehicle.
>
I guess it will become a classic skateboard.

I'm using a phone to look at it so that makes navigation harder. If I sound
> negative it's because I'm trying to drive this baby manually, with one
> thumb and one eye on the road. You need more 'driverless' options on it!
>
Do you use text to speach for writing such long comments?

The short version for Reader; I want kindle style interaction, but with
> super-charged annotation/clipping options and easy import.
>
> The over long version;
>
> I'm going to go Marie Kondo on your visuals Thomas. They don't spark joy.
> First up is the landing screen. Where is it? I'm an idiot and a phone
> zombie, so when I open an app (I'm calling it an app) I need to see a blank
> screen with 2, maybe 3 buttons. That's all I can handle.
>
I like Marie Kondo without knowing her. And I like your explanations about
her.

On this app I'd like the buttons to be 'Reader', 'Writer', 'Settings'. I
> don't want to see a sidebar, obscure tabs or any TW mechanics buttons, I
> don't want to know about config options (yet). I'd prefer not to have any
> text, just icons.
>
> The reader mode icon that you have at the moment doesn't say 'Read' to me
> Thomas. Here's an alternative from the Noun Project on WikiMedia  title="OCHA Visual Information Unit [CC0], via Wikimedia Commons" href="
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg;> width="512" alt="Education - The Noun Project" src="
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg/512px-Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg.png;>
> (I hope that link works on GGs).
>
I will think about it. Guess you are right, my icons could be better.


> You don't have a Writer icon yet, but you need one. Here's an e.g. from
> the same source https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg;> width="512" alt="Learning - The Noun Project" src="
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg/512px-Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg.png
> ">
>
> imo, on startup these 2 (or similar) should be all I can see, plus a
> Settings Cog icon. No sidebar, no title - nothing. If I want to know what
> the app does I go to Setttings, then 'About'.
>
The sidebar is still standard TiddlyWiki. Not sure if I want to change that
for my purpose. But I think there are solutions around to do what you want
... so you could add that yourself. Ah no – remove that yourself.

Marie Kondo is very big on boxes. She says every object should have a home,
> use smaller, open top boxes within larger containers to categorise objects
> by size or function and fold/store everything in a way that allows it to be
> seen once the biggest container is opened.
>
> 'Reader', 'Writer', 'Settings' are your 3 top level containers. Everything
> else should fold away in progressively smaller boxes beneath them. You use
> MyStory as a box label. I think you need to change that everywhere to
> 'Writer'.
>
Well, MyStory is the name of one of my plugins. You are welcome to use that
for your Writer app and re-label it to whatever you like. I like out of the
box thinking.


> You know how Marie Kondo takes all the clothes out of the cupboards and
> piles them up in a mountain on the bed? First of all the owners are amazed
> at how much stuff they've got. Next they have to go through each item,
> discarding the ones that don't spark joy, and then categorising the others,
> folding them in a special way, before putting them in smaller boxes
> according to type.
>
> I think that's what you need to do with your sidebar tab 'containers'.
> You've got everything in there, jumbled together, very difficult to find,
> not obviously labelled by function or findable for a newcomer. Clear
> instructions are difficult to find. If you threw it all into a pile you'd
> be amazed at how much is there but you have to go through it, discard some,
> re-categorise some and break it all down into smaller units, each with
> their own 'box'. A 'help' pop-up for each box might be necessary.
> Then you need easy, clearly labelled

[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

Thanks Hans.

On Saturday, January 19, 2019 at 10:14:11 PM UTC+3:30, HansWobbe wrote:
>
> Indeed a nice piece of work.  Thanks for sharing, Mohammad.  Regards ~Hans
>

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

Many thanks Josiah!

Actually it would be great if we could search these stuff from
tiddlywiki.com.
When we make a search in tiddlywiki.com it can show results in two colors:
for example black for those found in tiddlywiki.com itself and blue for
those are found in external resources. What I did for Dave Gifford Toolmap
can be done in Tiddlywiki.com.

By the way I am happy you found this resource useful. As you said there are
very clever solutions buried in this forum.
I am still wondering if there is a way to let people have write access so
they can contribute.

Regarding your question in the first pots, I hope I can create one to be
able to search this resource from your own wiki.

Finally credits of that TW-Scripts are belong to the great people in this
forum. I tried to give a link with name of responder, developer, or
contributor.
I used the same name as people use in this forum (if I don't know their
real name).

Thank you all.

Cheers
Mohammad

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[tw5] Highlight in bold the dates in the Recent tab

2019-01-20 Thread Xabriña


Hi all.
How can I make it so that in the Recent tab the dates in which the tiddlers 
are ordered appear highlighted in bold???
Thanks in advance.

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Re: [tw5] A beginners question about nested macros

2019-01-20 Thread Joe Armstrong

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Joe
>
> As you've discovered macro calls don't nest. It's intentional: for the
> shorthand syntax we prefer conciseness over flexibility.
>
> <>
>
> is actually sugar for
>
> <$macrocall $name="macroname" param-one="alpha" param-two="beta"/>
>

Now you tell me :-)

>
> With the full widget syntax you can then do things like this:
>
> <$macrocall $name="macroname" param-one=<>
> param-two="beta"/>
>
> If you want to pass the wikified output of one macro to another then you'd
> need to use the wikify widget.
>
>
I'd wondered why.

I think this point needs emphasising - coming from virtually
any programming langage one expects that function calls
to be nestable the BIG surprise was that "<<" ">>" didn't have to be
properly balanced and that the scope of the macro was not what I thought it
was.

I guess this is not changable now - since it would break
all old macros.

Actually to make macros composable it would be
very nice to pipe the output of the first macro into a second.

This is done in the language 'elixir' using the notatation '|>'
to represent a pipe operator.

In TW you could think of writing:

<> |> <>

which means take the output of <>
stick it into a temporary variable (say t1) then evaluate
<>

The pipe operator injects the result of the first macro into the
first argument of the second macro.

This is actually very nice - since it eliminates nested function calls.

So things like:

f(g(h(i(X))) become pipes like this:

i(X) |> h |> g |> f

And I guess it would not break old code - since old code would
never have used a |> symbol :-)

I'm not sure if this is possble - but a pipe notation often beats
nested function calls for simplicity :-)

And pipes are nice as abstractions for different reasons.

Cheers

/Joe










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>
> Jeremy
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> On 19 Jan 2019, at 19:59, Joe Armstrong  wrote:
>
>
> I have two macros
>
> \define text()
> A line of text
> \end
>
> \define foo(x)
> fooStart $x$ fooStop
> \end
>
> So
>
> <> is replaced by  "A line of text"
>
> and
>
> <> is replaced by "Start abc fooStop"
>
> But <> >>
>
> is replaced by "fooStart <>"
>
> And NOT "fooStart A line of text fooStop" as I had expected.
>
> After a lot of head scratching I realised that this means that the
> argument (x) to foo is the
> string "<>" to the left
> of the start "<<" of the macro and not the second occurrence.
>
> ie. "<<" and ">>" do not properly nest as I had expected.
>
> This seems like a pretty big pothole for a beginner to fall into ...
>
> So what is the accepted idiom for using a macro result
> as the input argument to another macro - how does one chain macro calls
> together?
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
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Re: [tw5] Re: So overwhelmed...node.js on a godaddy shared hosting site?

Jennifer,

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:36 PM Jennifer Pritchard 
wrote:
[...]

> Next, I run the "tiddlywiki folderwhereiwanttokeepmyTW --listen
> port=3000"  (that's another thing, I figured out that godaddy wants
> everything to listen on port 3000.  This requires that I put a .htaccess
> file in /home/myusername with a "RewriteEngine on" and "RewriteRule (.*)
> http://localhost:3000/$1 [P,L]" in it).
>


> It spits out confirmation that it's serving correctly on port 3000...
>
That's a good sign


> but then I go to view it and I just get a 404 page.
>
404 page could be coming from the apache server or from the tiddlywiki
nodejs


>   Interestingly enough, when I kill the session, the page changes to a
> "server is temporarily unavailable to service your request" message, so
> it's like *something* is happening *somewhere*.
>
Based on this clue it is more likely the 404 is coming from the tiddlywiki
nodejs than from Apache.

If a request like http://localhost:3000/somejunkhere were to go to the
tiddlywiki, then it would return a 404 not found. It could be the $1 in
your apache rewrite rule is passing something unexpected.

I recommend adding debug-level=full to your tiddlywiki command line (see
https://tiddlywiki.com/#WebServer%20Parameter%3A%20debug-level). From the
tiddlywiki server code, it looks like that option will display (among other
things) information about the requested url. See the console.log calls
below:

// Find the route that matches this path
var route = self.findMatchingRoute(request,state);
// Optionally output debug info
if(self.get("debug-level") !== "none") {
console.log("Request path:",JSON.stringify(state.urlInfo));
console.log("Request
headers:",JSON.stringify(request.headers));

console.log("authenticatedUsername:",state.authenticatedUsername);
}
// Return a 404 if we didn't find a route
if(!route) {
response.writeHead(404);
response.end();
return;
}

Then after you get the 404 in your browser, you should see the above
console.log output from the tiddlywiki process (i.e. in your putty
session). If you don't see output, then maybe apache is the one returning
the 404 after all. If you do see output, hopefully it gives you a clue on
what apache is passing in the $1 part of the rewrite url.

Brian

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[tw5] Re: I want to use TiddlyWiki again, but have some doubts, and thoughts.

2019-01-20 Thread Riz


>
> Still seems to be no way to generate single static pages for each Tiddly 
> aside from the convoluted Node.js method via the command line
>

If I understand correctly, you want to export multiple tiddlers from your 
standalone Tiddlywiki to separate Html files, the same way static site 
generators do. 
 I am attaching a plugin called staticExporter macro. Drag and drop it to 
your standalone Tiddlywiki, refresh the wiki. Now use it like this.

<$button actions=<>> 
Export all tiddlers tagged HelloThere to separate HTML files. 





You can read more about it in the readme section of the plugin.



Javascript-based tag pills do not work in exported static HTML page.
>

You mean, if you click on it, the drop-down showing "other tiddlers with 
same tag" is not appearing? I haven't done it myself either, but I have an 
inkling that this is also possible. Of course you'll have to tweak the 
template and link to a copy of external-js of Tiddlywiki, and create a 
static list. Difficult, probably time consuming, but possible I guess. 

"Feature creep" – TW is getting more and more features added to it, 
> which is adding to the basic file size.
>

I understand this and voice the same opinion. A number of things in the 
recent editions should have been official plugins. What I usually do is, 
when a new version come out, I git clone it to a local folder, remove the 
unnecessary things, add the stuff I use regularly, build it to an empty 
standalone file and use that thereafter, instead of downloading standalone 
html from Tiddlywiki.com



I want to use TW as simply as possible, in its original intent – as a 
> browser-based program. I have my browser open all the time when on my PC, 
> and it is very convenient to switch a tab to my TW, rather than the other 
> methods of using it via a server, or a stand-alone program such as 
> Tiddlydesktop. Will TW be able to be used like this into the future?
>


Have you met Timimi  ?





Despite my trepidations, I still like the program and want to be able to 
> use it (have to admit that I spend a bit of time "playing" with it!). I 
> still have not found the "one program to rule them all" when it comes to 
> writing and recording my data and creative work, but TW has a lot of 
> elements I like. (Dokuwiki is another wiki I like, but it is more complex 
> and requires a server to function.) The community around it is also 
> welcoming and friendly!
>

I have tried out dozens of softwares out there in search of a perfect tool 
for building my personal knowledge base. I set the following criteria.

- FOSS
- Offline first 
- Tweakable
- Scalable
- Cross platform.

In my experience, Tiddlywiki is second only to org mode for the purpose. 
But then, there will be always org mode. It is unfair to any note taking 
software to be  compared to  org-freakin-mode,  which enjoys the full 
hearted support of an ecosystem build by Richard St. Ignucious Stallman 
himself in C, and is extensible by the language of gods. I heard that they 
are even porting it to rust to enable multi threading. My point is, the 
apples and oranges comparison aside, Tiddlywiki is your best bet if you are 
not an org mode fan. 

sincerely,
Riz

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Re: [tw5] Re: Railroad Diagram plugin

The Railroad Plugin uses this library:

https://github.com/tabatkins/railroad-diagrams/

I notice that it has been updated quite recently, and we haven't updated the 
version integrated in TW for several years. If there's any new features/bug 
fixes that are useful we should look at updating it.

Best wishes

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> On 19 Jan 2019, at 23:50, TonyM  wrote:
> 
> My last Post edited to include 
> https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=R__-lKgsGMWylDEUAGhbJZ_X
> 
>> On Sunday, 20 January 2019 10:48:59 UTC+11, TonyM wrote:
>> Damon,
>> 
>> Given the nature of railroad diagrams as Thomas and Mario say, it may not 
>> illustrate what you want, however there are a number of visualisations 
>> available in tiddly-wiki. Also if you have something that is available in 
>> CSS you can include it at tag the tiddler $:/tags/Stylesheet save and reload 
>> and you can use the CSS.
>> 
>> See here for some of these, I expect you may find something suitable, also 
>> look as tiddlymap to more sophisticated ones
>> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> Tony
>> 
>>> On Sunday, 20 January 2019 08:00:30 UTC+11, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Has anyone played with the railroad plugin very much yet? I've spent a 
>>> couple of hours on learning it today and so far so good. One thing I'm 
>>> wondering it can it do two branches on the left combining into one on the 
>>> right. Hopefully, the stuff below will illustrate what I mean.
>>> 
>>> So here one diagram I generated:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What I haven't been able to figure out is how to do something like this:
>>> 
>>> --start1---|
>>>|nextend---
>>> --start2---|
>>> 
>>> Is it possible with the current plugin?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Damon
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Re: [tw5] A beginners question about nested macros

Hi Joe

As you've discovered macro calls don't nest. It's intentional: for the 
shorthand syntax we prefer conciseness over flexibility.

<>

is actually sugar for

<$macrocall $name="macroname" param-one="alpha" param-two="beta"/>

With the full widget syntax you can then do things like this:

<$macrocall $name="macroname" param-one=<> 
param-two="beta"/>

If you want to pass the wikified output of one macro to another then you'd need 
to use the wikify widget.

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> On 19 Jan 2019, at 19:59, Joe Armstrong  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have two macros 
> 
> \define text()
> A line of text
> \end
> 
> \define foo(x)
> fooStart $x$ fooStop
> \end
> 
> So
> 
> <> is replaced by  "A line of text"
> 
> and 
> 
> <> is replaced by "Start abc fooStop"
> 
> But <> >>
> 
> is replaced by "fooStart <>"
> 
> And NOT "fooStart A line of text fooStop" as I had expected.
> 
> After a lot of head scratching I realised that this means that the argument 
> (x) to foo is the
> string "<>" to the left
> of the start "<<" of the macro and not the second occurrence. 
> 
> ie. "<<" and ">>" do not properly nest as I had expected.
> 
> This seems like a pretty big pothole for a beginner to fall into ...
> 
> So what is the accepted idiom for using a macro result
> as the input argument to another macro - how does one chain macro calls 
> together?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> /Joe
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Re: [tw5] Sanitizing JS

Hi Adam

> Thanks for the info. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a convenient way 
> to filter out some features of JS and allow others to go through. I see lots 
> of plugins that provide atomized functionality of simple capabilities of 
> javascript. It just seems to me that if it were possible to build an 
> effective filter, one might be able to have all that functionality in the 
> core without bloating tw.
> 
> The Secure EcmaScript is really interesting. Though I wonder if there is a 
> simpler way to do this without executing the code in a sandbox environment. 
> Is it possible to, in the parsing stage, identify blacklisted keywords, and 
> if those words appear, don't make a script tag out of the code? Or maybe (if 
> a blacklist would be too large) just have a list of whitelisted words and 
> symbols (including a set of allotted variable names). If the code is built 
> only of these parts, then a script tag is made of it. Else, it doesn't run. 
> Or it throws an error or something.
> 
> I'm fairly new to JS and programming generally; so this may all be hopelessly 
> naive of me. I just wonder if the bloat of multiple (and sometimes 
> overlapping) plugins to perform string, numerical, JSON, or array 
> manipulation could be reduced. 

Your questions are exactly the right ones if you are interested in digging into 
this area.  My understanding is that it is only possible to use static analysis 
to sanitise a language like JS in very restricted situations. So I think most 
tools are actually transpilers that use a JavaScript parser to make an abstract 
syntax tree for the source code, and then to transliterate that back into 
JavaScript with the addition of guard functions that check the safety of 
operations dynamically.

Best wishes

Jeremy






> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Adam
> 
>> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 9:16:31 PM UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Hi Adam
>> 
>> As others have said, the primary goal of the current arrangement is to make 
>> it easier to detect/filter JS content by requiring it to be in a module 
>> tiddler. A secondary benefit of excluding inline JS is that it discourages 
>> blindly copying and pasting the kind of old-style DOM-based JS snippets that 
>> don’t work in TW5.
>> 
>> Funnily enough, I’ve just come across Secure EcmaScript which seems a good 
>> snapshot of the state of the art of safely executing untrusted JavaScript:
>> 
>> https://github.com/Agoric/SES
>> 
>> Here’s a demo:
>> 
>> https://github.com/jimpick/cabal-ses-bot
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy
>> 
>>> On 16 Jan 2019, at 23:25, AdamS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you all. That's a lot of good information for my to look through and 
>>> cogitate on!
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Adam
>>> 
 On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 5:01:07 PM UTC, Matthew Lauber wrote:
 Another issue with inline javascript specific to TW is that it interferes 
 with the parse/render/update loop.  Let's say you include some inline 
 javascript in your tiddler.  When is it supposed to execute?  When 
 rendered?  How often?  Keep in mind that TW rerenders tiddlers if any of 
 the state they depend on changes (like the React Virtual DOM).  These 
 renders may not be visible to you the user.  And what happens when your 
 javascript is executed twice?  Overall, it is a lot simpler to reason 
 about, and less bug prone, to require all javascript calls to be part of 
 the parse/render/update loop.  
 
> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 8:09:46 PM UTC-5, AdamS wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I know it has been discussed a few times, but I keep coming back to the 
> idea of inline javascript. Or at least something javascript-ish 
> (javascript-esque?). I know the reason this capability isn't standard is 
> because of security issues. I don't have much experience with this sort 
> of thing, but I'm wondering how significant are the barriers to 
> sanitizing inline javascript. What would need to be stripped out of a 
> script tag to ensure that it would be safe? I'm guessing any DOM 
> manipulation would be right out, as well as access to the window object. 
> But even if we could just get a safe inline javascript for control flow, 
> array, string, and number manipulation, that could be pretty cool. Could 
> this be securely done?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Adam
>>> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Locator: Discover and search by context (tags)

Bimlas,

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 8:07 AM bimlas  wrote:

> I agree with the first point and just implemented it,
>
[...]
Thanks, looks good.

I don't quite agree with the second point:
>
> This is different, more limited behavior compared to clicking a standard
>> TW tag pill
>
>
>  Yes, it's different, but not necessarily more limited: When you open the
> tag, there is an icon in the tiddler toolbar, which shows the hierarchy of
> the tag in the sidebar, so you get more information about the tag than the
> "built-in" solution. The drawback of this is that the context you have seen
> so far disappears (reseting the Locator).
>

I spent a long time reading the above and play with your demo and I still
can't find the extra functionality your tag clicking functionality gives.
>From what I can see, clicking the tag in your demo opens the tiddler for
that tag. The standard tag macros does the same (albeit with two clicks
instead of one). No matter how I open the tiddler for the tag, I still see
the icon in the tiddler toolbar.

For example, open the "Henry Ford" tiddler. Then in that tiddler, click on
the President tag and a popup will appear. Click on the President link from
that popup and it will open the President tiddler. The icon you mention is
there in the toolbar of the President tiddler. Is there some difference I'm
still missing?

Brian

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Re: [tw5] strange behaviour in $list

2019-01-20 Thread Joe Armstrong

You mean like this :-)


<$list filter="[tag[chandler]tag[now]]">

<$link>
<$text text=<>/>





This now works - thanks Jeremy

/Joe

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 3:32 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Joe
>
> 
> <$list filter="[tag[book]]">
> 
> <$link>
> <>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> The problem here is that the double angle brackets cause the text of the
> currentTiddler variable to be wikified. That will cause problems for
> tiddler titles that incorporate wikitext (e.g. CamelCase like "My
> InterestingTiddler") because that wikitext will be rendered within the link.
>
> It's better to use <$text text=<>/> to render the variable
> as plain text without wikification.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> Makes an incorrect link - the tiddler is found but displayed in a cursive
> font and
> does not open the correct tiddler when clicked.
>
> Seems like titles with camel case words get a bad link generated inside
> $link
>
> Cheers
>
> /Joe
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Re: [tw5] Sanitizing JS

2019-01-20 Thread admls

Hi Jeremy,

Thanks for the info. I guess I'm just wondering if there is a convenient 
way to filter out some features of JS and allow others to go through. I see 
lots of plugins that provide atomized functionality of simple capabilities 
of javascript. It just seems to me that if it were possible to build an 
effective filter, one might be able to have all that functionality in the 
core without bloating tw.

The Secure EcmaScript is really interesting. Though I wonder if there is a 
simpler way to do this without executing the code in a sandbox environment. 
Is it possible to, in the parsing stage, identify blacklisted keywords, and 
if those words appear, don't make a script tag out of the code? Or maybe 
(if a blacklist would be too large) just have a list of whitelisted words 
and symbols (including a set of allotted variable names). If the code is 
built only of these parts, then a script tag is made of it. Else, it 
doesn't run. Or it throws an error or something.

I'm fairly new to JS and programming generally; so this may all be 
hopelessly naive of me. I just wonder if the bloat of multiple (and 
sometimes overlapping) plugins to perform string, numerical, JSON, or array 
manipulation could be reduced. 

Best wishes,

Adam

On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 9:16:31 PM UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Adam
>
> As others have said, the primary goal of the current arrangement is to 
> make it easier to detect/filter JS content by requiring it to be in a 
> module tiddler. A secondary benefit of excluding inline JS is that it 
> discourages blindly copying and pasting the kind of old-style DOM-based JS 
> snippets that don’t work in TW5.
>
> Funnily enough, I’ve just come across Secure EcmaScript which seems a good 
> snapshot of the state of the art of safely executing untrusted JavaScript:
>
> https://github.com/Agoric/SES
>
> Here’s a demo:
>
> https://github.com/jimpick/cabal-ses-bot
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 16 Jan 2019, at 23:25, AdamS > 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you all. That's a lot of good information for my to look through and 
> cogitate on!
>
> Best wishes,
> Adam
>
> On Wednesday, January 16, 2019 at 5:01:07 PM UTC, Matthew Lauber wrote:
>>
>> Another issue with inline javascript specific to TW is that it interferes 
>> with the parse/render/update loop.  Let's say you include some inline 
>> javascript in your tiddler.  When is it supposed to execute?  When 
>> rendered?  How often?  Keep in mind that TW rerenders tiddlers if any of 
>> the state they depend on changes (like the React Virtual DOM).  These 
>> renders may not be visible to you the user.  And what happens when your 
>> javascript is executed twice?  Overall, it is a lot simpler to reason 
>> about, and less bug prone, to require all javascript calls to be part of 
>> the parse/render/update loop.  
>>
>> On Monday, January 14, 2019 at 8:09:46 PM UTC-5, AdamS wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I know it has been discussed a few times, but I keep coming back to the 
>>> idea of inline javascript. Or at least something javascript-ish 
>>> (javascript-esque?). I know the reason this capability isn't standard is 
>>> because of security issues. I don't have much experience with this sort of 
>>> thing, but I'm wondering how significant are the barriers to sanitizing 
>>> inline javascript. What would need to be stripped out of a script tag to 
>>> ensure that it would be safe? I'm guessing any DOM manipulation would be 
>>> right out, as well as access to the window object. But even if we could 
>>> just get a safe inline javascript for control flow, array, string, and 
>>> number manipulation, that could be pretty cool. Could this be securely done?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] <$wikify> needs <$text> to honour tilde-based wikilink suppression

I think that the problem here may be the use of double angle brackets to render 
<> and <> which causes the content of those variables 
to be wikified. In this case, you've already wikified the content of the 
variable, so you'll be wikifying it twice.

A modified version of your example with the addition of a couple of text 
widgets to render the variables as raw text lets you see what's going on:

<$set name="testVar" value="WikiLink ~NoWikiLink">

  

  <$wikify name="testOutput1" text=<> output="html">
<$text text=<>/>
<>
  

  

  <$wikify name="testOutput2" text="<$text text=<>/>" output="html">

<$text text=<>/>
<>
  



The output is:

WikiLink 
NoWikiLink
WikiLink NoWikiLink

WikiLink ~NoWikiLink

WikiLink NoWikiLink

You can see how the displayed HTML is rendered as the output immediately 
following it.

Best wishes

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> On 20 Jan 2019, at 13:12, David Nebauer  wrote:
> 
> In playing about with listing tiddlers I discovered that passing a value like 
> "~WikiLink" to <$wikify> resulted in it being rendered as a wikilink despite 
> the tilde. However, adding a <$text> widget caused <$wikify> to behave as I 
> expected.
> 
> Here is an example:
> 
> <$set name="testVar" value="WikiLink ~NoWikiLink">
> 
>   
> 
>   <$wikify name="testOutput1" text=<> output="html">
> <>
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   <$wikify name="testOutput2" text="<$text text=<>/>" output="html">
> <>
>   
> 
> 
> 
> This resulted in the following output:
> 
> WikiLink NoWikiLink
> WikiLink NoWikiLink
> 
> 
> 
> I don't understand why the <$wikify> widget does not honour the tilde.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't understand why adding a <$text> widget causes the <$wikify> widget to 
> behave as expected.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sure this makes sense to someone with intimate knowledge of how these 
> widgets operate, but it is counterintuitive to newbies who expect <$wikify> 
> to render wikitext, and <$text> to do the opposite, as described in 
> TextWidget help.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a better solution than the <$text> one I stumbled across?
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Re: [tw5] strange behaviour in $list

Hi Joe

> 
> <$list filter="[tag[book]]">
> 
> <$link>
> <>
> 
> 
> 
> 

The problem here is that the double angle brackets cause the text of the 
currentTiddler variable to be wikified. That will cause problems for tiddler 
titles that incorporate wikitext (e.g. CamelCase like "My InterestingTiddler") 
because that wikitext will be rendered within the link.

It's better to use <$text text=<>/> to render the variable as 
plain text without wikification.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> 
> Makes an incorrect link - the tiddler is found but displayed in a cursive 
> font and
> does not open the correct tiddler when clicked.
> 
> Seems like titles with camel case words get a bad link generated inside $link
> 
> Cheers
> 
> /Joe
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[tw5] Re: strange behaviour in $list

2019-01-20 Thread Mat

I think this is the same case as raised in #1880 
 i.e nested links.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Logistics 101 -- Do you use Telegram?

Thanks PLATO. Am on it.

On Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:21:31 UTC+1, PLATO wrote:
>
> Telegram   Tiddlywiki Group :
> https://t.me/Tiddlywikier
>
> 在 2019年1月11日星期五 UTC+8下午9:34:15，@TiddlyTweeter写道：
>>
>> I'm thinking that the pretty good #Twitter for #Tiddlywiki, @Tiddlywiki 
>>  and @Jermolene 
>>  could be matched by a Telegram 
>>  channel.
>>
>> I'm interested if any Telegram users here feel the same?
>>
>> @TiddlyTweeter
>>
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[tw5] <$wikify> needs <$text> to honour tilde-based wikilink suppression

2019-01-20 Thread David Nebauer

In playing about with listing tiddlers I discovered that passing a value 
like "~WikiLink" to <$wikify> resulted in it being rendered as a wikilink 
despite the tilde. However, adding a <$text> widget caused <$wikify> to 
behave as I expected.

Here is an example:

<$set name="testVar" value="WikiLink ~NoWikiLink">

  

  <$wikify name="testOutput1" text=<> output="html">
<>
  

  

  <$wikify name="testOutput2" text="<$text text=<>/>" 
output="html">
<>
  



This resulted in the following output:

WikiLink  NoWikiLink 




WikiLink  NoWikiLink


I don't understand why the <$wikify> widget does not honour the tilde.


I don't understand why adding a <$text> widget causes the <$wikify> widget 
to behave as expected.


I'm sure this makes sense to someone with intimate knowledge of how these 
widgets operate, but it is counterintuitive to newbies who expect <$wikify> 
to render wikitext, and <$text> to do the opposite, as described in 
TextWidget  help.


Is there a better solution than the <$text> one I stumbled across?

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Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Locator: Discover and search by context (tags)

2019-01-20 Thread bimlas

Brian Theado,

I agree with the first point and just implemented it, because it also fixes
an issue that I didn't see: for example, if you select Beens, Beef, Top
Secret Recipes direct tags from Larry's Cookbook -> Active list, then you
think that you are only interested in the Top Secret Recipes from the
Active list , you have to go back to the Active context and then select
this tag. It is enough to delete the irrelevant labels (Beens, Beef) with
the behaviour you describe.

I don't quite agree with the second point:

This is different, more limited behavior compared to clicking a standard TW
> tag pill

Yes, it's different, but not necessarily more limited: When you open the
tag, there is an icon in the tiddler toolbar, which shows the hierarchy of
the tag in the sidebar, so you get more information about the tag than the
"built-in" solution. The drawback of this is that the context you have seen
so far disappears (reseting the Locator).

I could imagine a solution that, when opening the tag, opens the tag in the
Locator (instead of its tiddler), and then, when closing the hierarchy of
the tag, restores the previous context.

For example clicking on Soups & Chili:

[image: vivaldi_2019-01-20_14-04-58.png]

[image: vivaldi_2019-01-20_14-06-26.png]

Clicking on X near Soups & Chili:

[image: vivaldi_2019-01-20_14-04-58.png]

What do you think?

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[tw5] strange behaviour in $list

2019-01-20 Thread Joe Armstrong

$list seems to create an unclickable link (I think this is a bug)

I have a tiddler called  "What is the TiddlyWiki?" with tag book

<>

finds this and creates a correct link to the tiddler

But


<$list filter="[tag[book]]">

<$link>
<>





Makes an incorrect link - the tiddler is found but displayed in a cursive 
font and
does not open the correct tiddler when clicked.

Seems like titles with camel case words get a bad link generated inside 
$link

Cheers

/Joe

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[tw5] Re: Don't You Think We Should Get Our Act Together???

Ciao bimlas

This was part of my point. That a "submissions" interface of some kind 
might be a good idea.. Erwan's aggregator is seriously underused. I think, 
likely, because few people know of it. And the steps to use it are not yet 
"common currency".

It may be that with David Gifford[s list we could retrofit to fill gaps in 
other places The export format of TiddlyWikiToolmap is simple OPML. The 
fact, though, is the Toolmap is currently the best overall resource base we 
have, IMO, after tiddlywiki.com.

Best wishes
Josiah

bimlas wrote:
>
> As I wrote earlier, we already have the tools to advertise new stuff (on 
> the TiddlyWiki main page, which I think is the best place for such news: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Community), I think these should be promoted 
> instead of inventing new methods.
>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/wU23kVoaVVs/7V2lui7FBwAJ
>
> Note: you said this is a list generated by Erwan's aggregator, but 
> actually it's a collection of tiddlers matching to the filter from TW.com. 
> The filter of the "Latest" tab is:
>
> <$list filter="[tag[Articles]] [tag[Examples]] [tag[Resources]] 
> [tag[Tutorials]] +[!sort[modified]limit[8]]">
>
> Erwan's aggregator: http://erwanm.github.io/tw-community-search/
>
> So, plugin makers should be informed that they can get to the title page 
> by writing a tiddler (+ pull request) about his product.
>

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[tw5] image un header side by side

2019-01-20 Thread TonyM

Gerald,

Try using css in two html divs, one float right, one float left. Or use two 
columns, or a single row two colunm table .

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: How to delete multiple tiddlers by matching on title

2019-01-20 Thread registrierungs genervter

My Hero.

Am Mittwoch, 7. Februar 2018 21:18:09 UTC+1 schrieb Diego Mesa:
>
> Note!
>
> (...) essentially already built in to TW. To do it (...)
>

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[tw5] Re: Don't You Think We Should Get Our Act Together???

David

Thank you for the detailed explanation--especially on the commit to 
longevity.

IMO your work on TiddlyWiki Toolmap is seriously helping TW development and 
traction.

Did you see the search tool in Mohammad's TW-Script for Toolmap? ... 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#Search%20Tiddlywiki%20Toolmap

Maybe that tool could be linked to at the top of the Toolmap? Its very 
useful to be able to a search of the Toolmap from within a TW.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 19 January 2019 01:12:55 UTC+1, Dave Gifford - 
http://www.giffmex.org/ wrote:
>
> My process is not time-consuming, maybe 5-6 minutes.
>
> 1) Check Google groups once every day or two. Scan titles of top ten or so 
> threads to see if potentially has a new plugin
> 2) If a new plugin, etc, open demo and copy link to demo.
> 3) Open toolmap and if there is any doubt, do a search for the plugin
> 4) Think about what category it is in
> 5) Paste link, wrap as Markdown link, and paste the description from 
> either the Google group intro or the demo page
> 6) reply to say I added it, and if the category is not obvvious, tell 
> which category I put it in
>
> So don't worry about me.
>
> Also, a couple of you have the authorization to edit the toolmap. So 
> conceivably I am not the only one doing this. While this may result in 
> slightly duplicated time for me if someone already added it, it may mean 
> others catching things I did not see. So the benefit outweighs the slight 
> possibility of a lost minute or two.
>
> I too am grateful for the explosion of new ways of doing things in TW. 
> Everyone wins. So it is a joy to be able to assist with this toolmap index. 
> Blessings.
>
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 11:12:48 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> I been amazed at the exponentiation of the rate of development of TW 
>> plugins and serious macros in the last 6 months ...
>>
>> I wish we have a decent system to keep up
>>
>> It really is NOT enough expecting Gifford to do it. That is way too much 
>> for one person.
>>
>> IMO we need a submission system of the huge works in progress that 
>> registers them.
>>
>> Josiah
>>
>>
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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW

Mohammad

I wanted to add that I am actively using your resource. 

I am not a programmer but having quick access to good examples that persist 
is invaluable. Especially to a user like me.

In practical use, for me, this IS documentation. It illustrates strongly 
that the Google Group for TW produces excellent solutions. 

What we needed was a way to sift the central solution from the surrounding 
discussion. Your solution does that. Your route is definitely needed.

Just FYI, I learned a lot from it about searching the web from TW in an 
easy way. It has enabled me to begin create precise search tools I need.

Best wishes
Josiah

On Saturday, 19 January 2019 06:35:47 UTC+1, Mohammad wrote:
>
> *TW-Scripts Updated*
>
> *Jan 19, 2019*
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/
>
> *Now you can directly search Dave Gifford Tiddlywiki Toolmap from inside 
> TW-Scripts.*
>
> Thanks to S.S for his great solution for online lookup.
>
> I am thinking interested people when propose a solution on this forum can 
> share it as a tiddler(s) attachment  
> to be directly imported into TW-Script.
>
> TW-Scripts selectively (due lack of time and contributors) collect 
> solution from this forum and document them for later references.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mohammad
>
>

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[tw5] Re: A TW Resource Announced: Scripts in TW