Thank you very much for this elaborate comment, Watt, aka Marie Kondo :–D
Did you really write all this on a phone? I am impressed! I will not answer everything nor will I be able to invent the ultimate TW reader application you are dreaming of – sorry. So just some short statements from Mr. Picky here. Read with a ;–) Am Sa., 19. Jan. 2019 um 13:42 Uhr schrieb Watt <[email protected]>: > I had another look Thomas, and your explanations helped, but you need many > more explanatory signposts up on the site. I really like the complex > functionality you are working towards. It is a complicated beast though, a > bit like a powerful sports car with all the engine and mechanics on the > outside and the sleek, polished bodywork hidden underneath. It may not be > ready for the luxury showroom yet but when the mechanics are tuned and > hidden away Reader/Writer could be a classic vehicle. > I guess it will become a classic skateboard. I'm using a phone to look at it so that makes navigation harder. If I sound > negative it's because I'm trying to drive this baby manually, with one > thumb and one eye on the road. You need more 'driverless' options on it! > Do you use text to speach for writing such long comments? The short version for Reader; I want kindle style interaction, but with > super-charged annotation/clipping options and easy import. > > The over long version; > > I'm going to go Marie Kondo on your visuals Thomas. They don't spark joy. > First up is the landing screen. Where is it? I'm an idiot and a phone > zombie, so when I open an app (I'm calling it an app) I need to see a blank > screen with 2, maybe 3 buttons. That's all I can handle. > I like Marie Kondo without knowing her. And I like your explanations about her. On this app I'd like the buttons to be 'Reader', 'Writer', 'Settings'. I > don't want to see a sidebar, obscure tabs or any TW mechanics buttons, I > don't want to know about config options (yet). I'd prefer not to have any > text, just icons. > > The reader mode icon that you have at the moment doesn't say 'Read' to me > Thomas. Here's an alternative from the Noun Project on WikiMedia <a > title="OCHA Visual Information Unit [CC0], via Wikimedia Commons" href=" > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg";><img > width="512" alt="Education - The Noun Project" src=" > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg/512px-Education_-_The_Noun_Project.svg.png";></a> > (I hope that link works on GGs). > I will think about it. Guess you are right, my icons could be better. > You don't have a Writer icon yet, but you need one. Here's an e.g. from > the same source <a title="OCHA Visual Information Unit [CC0], via Wikimedia > Commons" href=" > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg";><img > width="512" alt="Learning - The Noun Project" src=" > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg/512px-Learning_-_The_Noun_Project.svg.png > "></a> > > imo, on startup these 2 (or similar) should be all I can see, plus a > Settings Cog icon. No sidebar, no title - nothing. If I want to know what > the app does I go to Setttings, then 'About'. > The sidebar is still standard TiddlyWiki. Not sure if I want to change that for my purpose. But I think there are solutions around to do what you want ... so you could add that yourself. Ah no – remove that yourself. Marie Kondo is very big on boxes. She says every object should have a home, > use smaller, open top boxes within larger containers to categorise objects > by size or function and fold/store everything in a way that allows it to be > seen once the biggest container is opened. > > 'Reader', 'Writer', 'Settings' are your 3 top level containers. Everything > else should fold away in progressively smaller boxes beneath them. You use > MyStory as a box label. I think you need to change that everywhere to > 'Writer'. > Well, MyStory is the name of one of my plugins. You are welcome to use that for your Writer app and re-label it to whatever you like. I like out of the box thinking. > You know how Marie Kondo takes all the clothes out of the cupboards and > piles them up in a mountain on the bed? First of all the owners are amazed > at how much stuff they've got. Next they have to go through each item, > discarding the ones that don't spark joy, and then categorising the others, > folding them in a special way, before putting them in smaller boxes > according to type. > > I think that's what you need to do with your sidebar tab 'containers'. > You've got everything in there, jumbled together, very difficult to find, > not obviously labelled by function or findable for a newcomer. Clear > instructions are difficult to find. If you threw it all into a pile you'd > be amazed at how much is there but you have to go through it, discard some, > re-categorise some and break it all down into smaller units, each with > their own 'box'. A 'help' pop-up for each box might be necessary. > Then you need easy, clearly labelled navigation between each box. > Personally I hate the sidebar in TW, imo everything you have in the sidebar > should go under 'Settings' and that should have a page of its own. > Well, TW has kind of a standard settings page called control panel <https://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FControlPanel> which is already cluttered enogh. As well as the sidebar, especially the *More* tab ... that has got nothing to do with my plugins, but you are right. So I draftet a slightly better solution (possibly removing the *More* tab) and filed an issue on Github: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3716 You could do the same: Develop/Design a better solution and suggest to integrate that into the core. And TW would become slicker and cleaner tab by tab ... Ok, imagine we've got a 3 button landing screen. When I click on the Reader > icon I don't want another tiddler to open below. Scrolling on a phone is > out for me. (Sidebars are out too. Scrolling through a paragraph list in a > sidebar or getting dropped back to the end of a book long story river, with > a sidebar on top is really out! (A 'return to top' button is essential if > you're determined to keep the scrolling). > > On clicking Reader I'd like the 3 icon landing screen to disappear and a > simple Library page with these options to appear; > 'List of Titles' > 'Import New title' > 'Writer' icon > 'Settings' icon. > Back and Forward arrow heads for navigation. > > We're in standard kindlish e-reader territory now. > And the functionality will stay there as far as it concerns Mr. Picky. If I click on the 'Writer' icon it should take me to the top level of the > writer mode. It shouldn't toggle the 'reader library' into a 'writer > library'. The exit from one function to the other has to be clear. Again, > no story river, no sidebar, no headings. Each new page/screen replaces the > last. > Maybe no TW would be the best solution for you then. ('View in Writer' is a different thing and needs a different icon.) > > If I click on a title in the library for the first time I'd expect it to > just open the book at a toc, maybe at page 1 if there is no toc. (Maybe at > a 'last read point' if I've started the book already). > > When reading I would like you to extend your pop-up bookmarker and change > it to a pop-up with these selectable options; > 'bookmark here' > 'my bookmarks for this title' > 'make clipping' ** > 'my clippings from this title' > 'go to..' > page number > 'go to toc' > 'go to library' > 'Open in Write mode' > and 'home'. (Home being the first landing page). > 'Settings' > Hm, I don’t have a pop-up bookmarker at the moment, just marks on tiddlers. I like the idea of options, but I also like simplicity. I'd like to turn pages like an e-reader does. Moving backwards and forwards > a page at a time, no scrolling for me, but it should be configurable in > settings. > How do you use Facebook or Twitter or Google or your news Websites without scrolling? Scrolling on small screens is awesome! A pop-up with navigation options should always be near to hand. > > ** How you would make a clipping from within Reader I don't know, but for > me this is what could make your Reader indispensible. > If I'm reading an article or factual material I want to make annotations > with notes. Not many e-readers do this well. TW should be able to do it in > theory, but I'd like to be able to just highlight text and click 'make > clipping', without going into edit mode or leaving the text I'm reading. > BJ's tiddlyclip works on desktop but not on mobile. > > Well, having written all that I've just realised that Import is going to > be quite import-ant. How do I do it? > > I'm going to try Writer another time Thomas. How do I install? > I’m not sure my plugins are what you are looking for ... you would be able to find them on my plugins page: https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html – I just updated *MyStory* (including bookmarks), *Reader Mode* is also present. StoryAdmin <https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2FJR-telmiger%2FStoryAdmin> is a bit hidden and not up-to date I think. More updates will follow. Make a copy/backup first, then drag the links over to your test wiki. Thanks again for your work! > Thank you again for taking so much time and for writing such entertaining comments. You made my day! Cheers, Thomas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. 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