Re: [tw5] Re: Filtering an "or" condition

[Damon Pritchett]

Hey all,

I've given up trying to figure out what's wrong, so I want to start afresh 
with a new blank Tiddlywiki file. What is the best way to make sure I get 
all of my content over to the new file without the plugins & 
customizations?  Can I just export everything from the old file and import 
all into the new file? Is bundler better suited for this?

Many thanks,

Damon

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 2:11:09 PM UTC-7, Damon Pritchett wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mat
>
> Did that and reverted a shadow tiddler that $:/config/manager/filter which 
> was the most obvious one to try and that didn't change anything. From the 
> search, there are 54 modified shadow tiddlers, but none of the others are 
> obvious ones to try. Here's the list:
>
>
> $:/config/AnimationDuration
> $:/config/DefaultMoreSidebarTab
> $:/config/DefaultSidebarTab
>
> $:/config/EditorToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/heading-4
>
> $:/config/EditorToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/heading-5
>
> $:/config/EditorToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/EditorToolbar/heading-6
> $:/config/EditorTypeMappings/text/vnd.tiddlywiki
> $:/config/Manager/System
> $:/config/Navigation/openLinkFromInsideRiver
> $:/config/Navigation/openLinkFromOutsideRiver
> $:/config/Navigation/UpdateAddressBar
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/advanced-search
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/fold-all
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/home
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/refresh
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/storyview
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/tag-manager
> $:/config/PageControlButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/unfold-all
> $:/config/Performance/Instrumentation
> $:/config/Tiddlers/TitleLinks
> $:/config/Toolbar/ButtonClass
> $:/config/Toolbar/Icons
> $:/config/Toolbar/Text
> $:/config/ViewToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-here
> $:/config/WikiParserRules/Inline/wikilink
> $:/core/ui/TextEditorToolbar/indent
> $:/DefaultTiddlers
> $:/palette
> $:/palettes/Blanca
> $:/plugins/snowgoon88/edit-comptext/config
> $:/plugins/snowgoon88/edit-comptext/examples
> $:/plugins/snowgoon88/edit-comptext/usage
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/footer-view-template-segment
> $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/header-view-template-segment
> $:/SiteSubtitle
> $:/SiteTitle
> $:/state/showeditpreview
> $:/tags/SideBar
> $:/tags/ViewTemplate
> $:/temp/advancedsearch
> $:/temp/search
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/base
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/bodyfontsize
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/bodylineheight
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/fontsize
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/lineheight
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarbreakpoint
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/metrics/sidebarwidth
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/options/codewrapping
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/options/sidebarlayout
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/options/stickytitles
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/settings/codefontfamily
> $:/themes/tiddlywiki/vanilla/settings/fontfamily
> $:/view
>
> On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 2:00:08 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> search for shadow tiddlers that have been modified?
>>>
>>
>> Ctrlpanel > first tab > first tab - at very bottom, klick search icon 
>> seen there
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] How does one use Bricks?

[passingby]

Can someone give a simple walk-through for using Bricks for creating 
different themes? https://tid.li/tw5/test/bricks.html 

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[tw5] Using $:/core/save/lazy-all seems to break list filters

[Alfalfa Scout]

I have a lot of lists based on filters. I have defined many of my own 
fields to filter through for these lists. I have megabytes upon megabytes 
of text in the bodies of tiddlers.

To save time loading the front page, I switched to lazy loading using 
$:/core/save/lazy-all. But now, my carefully arranged lists based on 
filters no longer work. For just one example, the missing page list no 
longer shows what pages are missing.

Is there any way I could
A. generate these lists server-side, or
B. tell the lazy loader to load a few more fields I have defined, so my 
filters actually show results again?

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[tw5] Re: Best strategy for documenting TiddlyMap links/edges?

[TonyM]

Antony,

I am not a big user of tiddlymap yet. But to get you started on my reading 
the edges are recorded in a json data tiddler. Such a tiddler should be 
accessible as with any other data tiddler using the index and ## notation.
As long as you add a prefix it should be trivial to make an independent 
tiddler for each edge on which to allow comments, using a batch button.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Filter for all tiddlers whose title does not appear in the 'list' field of another tiddler?

[TonyM]

Ed,

Not an answer but a possible approach. Have a look at using the subfilter 
operator. A subfilter that lists the set of tiddlers, another that lists 
the items to exclude.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[TonyM]

Post script

You could also delete any particularly private info in a copy of your wiki 
before sending it someone.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 9:22:42 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Ittay,
>
> This could be difficult because you are doing it in retrospect, had you 
> planned to identify the difference between the system and the content from 
> the beginning it would be simpler. I would have no problem with my wikis 
> because I take steps to keep content separate from solutions using naming 
> standards, bundles of tiddlers etc...
>
>
>
>
>- Someone with a lot of experience in tiddlywiki could do a quick job 
>of *some of this* by identifying macro and template tags, overwritten 
>shadow tiddlers so if you are prepared to share your wiki, they could help 
>get you started (Contact me privately if you want me to have a look, I 
> will 
>respect your privacy, I am a registered business, and well known here) No 
>charge to community members unless it needs too many hours.
>- However If you start with a new empty file (then install the bundler 
>plugin with the import bundle activated) , drag the plugins over save and 
>reload and make a copy of this and start to locate some of your 
>customisations and replicate them on the new site it may not take as long 
>as you think. 
>- The Bunddler plugin will keep a record of the tiddlers you import.
>- If you make copies of your wiki as you try something new if it 
>breaks just go back to the previous version.
>- You could use the filter [!is[system]] to list all non system 
>tiddlers and start to make inroads as to what you need to remove.
>- In the end you have have your own tiddlywiki edition "template" 
>without content you could use for making new Wikis.
>
>
> This will be a learning process for you as you revisit old customisations 
> but it will give you the opportunity to review them, understand them better 
> and tweek them. The fact is new features and plugins often make customising 
> easier than before so you may find it quicker than you think. I would try 
> and understand what you do rather than just move everything, as tempting as 
> it may be.
>
> Just writing a list of the features you want to keep or see in your new 
> wiki would be a great start because you can ask for help here.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 12:13:06 AM UTC+10, Ittay Dror wrote:
>>
>> So I have a TiddlyWiki file with tons of tiddlers, plugins and 
>> customizations. I want to start a new one and retain the plugins and 
>> customizations, but not the tiddlers. How can I do that? 
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[TonyM]

Ittay,

This could be difficult because you are doing it in retrospect, had you 
planned to identify the difference between the system and the content from 
the beginning it would be simpler. I would have no problem with my wikis 
because I take steps to keep content separate from solutions using naming 
standards, bundles of tiddlers etc...




   - Someone with a lot of experience in tiddlywiki could do a quick job of 
*some 
   of this* by identifying macro and template tags, overwritten shadow 
   tiddlers so if you are prepared to share your wiki, they could help get you 
   started (Contact me privately if you want me to have a look, I will respect 
   your privacy, I am a registered business, and well known here) No charge to 
   community members unless it needs too many hours.
   - However If you start with a new empty file (then install the bundler 
   plugin with the import bundle activated) , drag the plugins over save and 
   reload and make a copy of this and start to locate some of your 
   customisations and replicate them on the new site it may not take as long 
   as you think. 
   - The Bunddler plugin will keep a record of the tiddlers you import.
   - If you make copies of your wiki as you try something new if it breaks 
   just go back to the previous version.
   - You could use the filter [!is[system]] to list all non system tiddlers 
   and start to make inroads as to what you need to remove.
   - In the end you have have your own tiddlywiki edition "template" 
   without content you could use for making new Wikis.


This will be a learning process for you as you revisit old customisations 
but it will give you the opportunity to review them, understand them better 
and tweek them. The fact is new features and plugins often make customising 
easier than before so you may find it quicker than you think. I would try 
and understand what you do rather than just move everything, as tempting as 
it may be.

Just writing a list of the features you want to keep or see in your new 
wiki would be a great start because you can ask for help here.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 at 12:13:06 AM UTC+10, Ittay Dror wrote:
>
> So I have a TiddlyWiki file with tons of tiddlers, plugins and 
> customizations. I want to start a new one and retain the plugins and 
> customizations, but not the tiddlers. How can I do that? 
>

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[tw5] Filter for all tiddlers whose title does not appear in the 'list' field of another tiddler?

[Ed]

Hi there

As in the title, I am trying to filter for all tiddlers whose title does 
not appear in the 'list' field of another tiddler, and I can't seem to 
figure it out.

My specific case: I am using TiddlyMap, with edges generated using 
tw-list:list. I want to apply custom node styling to all nodes that don't 
have any edges going into them.

Any help would be much appreciated!

Thank you. Ed

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[tw5] Re: Type "Jeremy Ruston 1983" into YouTube ... our leader

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Repeat for email users ...

On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 20:55:56 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Some time ago Mr Ruston was very proactive with 3 books for the BBC micro 
> computer
>
> "I failed my A-levels in the summer because of it." (Involvement with 
> computers)
>
>
> "That's just a quarter of an hours work or something, for amusement ..." 
> (about what looks like a complex fractal pattern)
>
>
> "... old age pensioners, and people of any age, have been writing to me 
> with comments about the books, and suggestions and so on. So there must be 
> lots of people of all ages interested."
>
>
> Here he is, our leader, in 1983: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auyIhw8MTmQ
>
> Archival Josiah
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there any way to download TiddlyWiki documentation as a PDF?

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Sylvain

> I did hack the toc macro to make a book macro. freezes the browser tab when 
> using the whole wiki (<>)... But not if I uses book 
> macro for each first level chapter (see TiddlyWiki-Book.tid). I don't know 
> why…

It would be interesting if you could try your hacked doc macro on the latest 
prerelease that incorporates a number of performance optimisations to the 
indexing performed by the core:

https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ 

The indexing optimisations are described in more detail here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3951 


It’ll be interesting to see if you get any improvements, and to use the recent 
improvements to the performance instrumentation to help identify the specific 
filters that need improvement:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/3941 


Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> It's a bit raw out of the box and needs a lot polishing but works (see 
> example attached - note i'm behind a proxy firewall so a lot of external 
> ressources are blocked) - nearly 900 pages!!! Had to put this on a sharing 
> partner (available only 7 days and 100 downloads. Be fast! ;-) : 
> https://send.firefox.com/download/285dc36d71cf93d7/#Gj_WNWkdrRULJb6HUkOe5A
> 
> You may play with it by yourself : get the "book.tid" macro and the 
> "TiddlyWiki-Book.tid" tiddlers in your own copy.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Sylvain
> @sycom
> 
> Le mardi 28 mai 2019 09:24:11 UTC+2, TonyM a écrit :
> Folks,
> 
> I have built a Linear Table Of Contents that appears in a single tiddlywiki, 
> such as it would create a single tiddler with the content from the Table Of 
> Contents. Its working well, but It fails due to the size of tiddlywiki.com 
>  (offline copy).
> 
> I can list all the titles but if I transclude the content for each tiddler on 
> clicking "done, the result is never displayed. The Wiki seems to freezes, and 
> closing the browser the only option.
> 
> I wonder if there are some settings that would allow it to work.
> 
> Regards
> Tony
> 
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 11:13:24 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
> Hi Tam,
> 
> It is interesting to read your request. Tell us more how/where you will use 
> the resulting PDF?
> 
> As Mat points out TiddlyWiki.com is non-linear, it is not a book, it makes 
> full use of an interactive table of contents, search and optional paths. This 
> is better organised that any PDF can be. I have actually built a version of 
> TiddlyWiki.com for the new user but it includes the ability to take notes and 
> more.
> 
> Unless you plan to print your PDF can I ask where will you read your PDF that 
> you can't instead open the tiddlywiki itself? If you want to read everything 
> in a wiki, perhaps a button to tag each read tiddler with a "read" tag.
> 
> Sticking to your original request.
> If we come up with a good solution, perhaps others will also use this, not 
> just for tiddlywiki.com .
> 
> Ideally if we could export it to pdf with the chapter headings in the 
> contents of the pdf and then use the search within pdf it may be almost as 
> easy to read it in pdf. This may actually be possible by generating a HTML 
> tiddler/file with the correct use of headings and sections etc... and feeding 
> this into a good html to PDF converter.
> 
> But this could need lots of work, but it could be a worthwhile investment as 
> it would be a way to publish the content of TiddlyWiki as a book, and some 
> authors may want this. With careful design the one wiki could contain both 
> the draft and revised versions of a book.
> 
> Quick and easy
> The quick and easy way is to create a tiddler which transcludes all the 
> content you want to package in your PDF, open that tiddler in a new window 
> and use the browsers print function to print to PDF (assuming you have 
> installed a "print to pdf" printer). Note however to do the whole 
> TableOfContents can be a disaster. see Transcluding the content you want to 
> package in your PDF
> 
> Transcluding the content you want to package in your PDF
> Mark and Sylvain address this in this thread, but the idea of say using the 
> TableOfContents to generate this view may be compromised by some loops, ie a 
> lower tiddler referencing a higher tiddler, resulting in a loop.
> 
> I have a design pattern I am keen to explore that iterates the whole Table of 
> Contents (TOC) adding a branch field to each tiddler, that contains the path 
> from the Top of the TOC to the current tiddler. If you come to the same 
> tiddler and it already contains a branch then a reference to the tiddler in 
> its branch is given to stop any infinite loops, and repeating content. The 
> Branch could be use as bread crumbs as well. We could also use the kin 
> operator to list all tiddlers not in the TOC as appendices.
> 
> So I am working on this now.
> 
> 

[tw5] Re: Innovation on NCR Paper ... Are you using it? (OT)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Mark S.

Its interesting to note that historical accounting of dates in the past was 
extremely accurate manually--and despite different date systems that were 
common until Julian dates converged with Gregorian. Social historians can 
largely rely they are accurate.

The idea of "the copy" is fascinating. Now its a doddle. *Then* is was a 
serious project. 

... From scribe to mimeograph to photocopy to scan to* its never analogue*.

Side note
Josiah


On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 19:05:16 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Carbon paper gave (gives, no technology ever goes away completely*) better 
> results, was re-usable, and correctable.
>
> * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7954936-what-technology-wants
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 8:52:38 AM UTC-7, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvTxutSuw-I=youtu.be
>>
>> I sit in the dark waiting for a tall handsome PDF for NCR paper.
>>
>> Abreast of the latest Teape ideas
>> @TiddlyTweeter 
>>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Innovation on NCR Paper ... Are you using it? (OT)

[@TiddlyTweeter]

repeat for email ...

On Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:52:38 UTC+2, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvTxutSuw-I=youtu.be
>
> I sit in the dark waiting for a tall handsome PDF for NCR paper.
>
> Abreast of the latest Teape ideas
> @TiddlyTweeter 
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to download TiddlyWiki documentation as a PDF?

[SylvainComte]

Mmmhhh

sorry, I discovered a very annoying typo in previous send. I did edit the 
post, but for those using email here is the good versions for the .tid's 
and .pdf (only140 pages now...)
https://send.firefox.com/download/f2b11c6f0dcc233b/#bL4F1OBL1gib8gYiQnbnaA

cheers

Sylvain
@sycom

Le mardi 28 mai 2019 16:28:25 UTC+2, SylvainComte a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
> Maybe spliting it in sub-chapters ?
>
> I did hack the toc macro to make a book macro. freezes the browser tab 
> when using the whole wiki (<>)... But not if I uses 
> book macro for each first level chapter (see TiddlyWiki-Book.tid). I don't 
> know why...
>
> It's a bit raw out of the box and needs a lot polishing but works (see 
> example attached - note i'm behind a proxy firewall so a lot of external 
> ressources are blocked) - nearly 900 pages!!! Had to put this on a sharing 
> partner (available only 7 days and 100 downloads. Be fast! ;-) 
> : https://send.firefox.com/download/f2b11c6f0dcc233b/#bL4F1OBL1gib8gYiQnbnaA
>
> You may play with it by yourself : get the "book.tid" macro and the 
> "TiddlyWiki-Book.tid" tiddlers in your own copy.
>
> cheers
>
> Sylvain
> @sycom
>
> Le mardi 28 mai 2019 09:24:11 UTC+2, TonyM a écrit :
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have built a Linear Table Of Contents that appears in a single 
>> tiddlywiki, such as it would create a single tiddler with the content from 
>> the Table Of Contents. Its working well, but It fails due to the size of 
>> tiddlywiki.com (offline copy).
>>
>> I can list all the titles but if I transclude the content for each 
>> tiddler on clicking "done, the result is never displayed. The Wiki seems to 
>> freezes, and closing the browser the only option.
>>
>> I wonder if there are some settings that would allow it to work.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 11:13:24 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Tam,
>>>
>>> It is interesting to read your request. Tell us more how/where you will 
>>> use the resulting PDF?
>>>
>>> As Mat points out TiddlyWiki.com is non-linear, it is not a book, it 
>>> makes full use of an interactive table of contents, search and optional 
>>> paths. This is better organised that any PDF can be. I have actually built 
>>> a version of TiddlyWiki.com for the new user but it includes the ability to 
>>> take notes and more.
>>>
>>> Unless you plan to print your PDF can I ask where will you read your PDF 
>>> that you can't instead open the tiddlywiki itself? If you want to read 
>>> everything in a wiki, perhaps a button to tag each read tiddler with a 
>>> "read" tag.
>>>
>>> *Sticking to your original request.*
>>> If we come up with a good solution, perhaps others will also use this, 
>>> not just for tiddlywiki.com.
>>>
>>> Ideally if we could export it to pdf with the chapter headings in the 
>>> contents of the pdf and then use the search within pdf it may be almost as 
>>> easy to read it in pdf. This may actually be possible by generating a HTML 
>>> tiddler/file with the correct use of headings and sections etc... and 
>>> feeding this into a good html to PDF converter.
>>>
>>> But this could need lots of work, but it could be a worthwhile 
>>> investment as it would be a way to publish the content of TiddlyWiki as a 
>>> book, and some authors may want this. With careful design the one wiki 
>>> could contain both the draft and revised versions of a book.
>>>
>>> *Quick and easy*
>>> The quick and easy way is to create a tiddler which transcludes all the 
>>> content you want to package in your PDF, open that tiddler in a new window 
>>> and use the browsers print function to print to PDF (assuming you have 
>>> installed a "print to pdf" printer). Note however to do the whole 
>>> TableOfContents can be a disaster. see *Transcluding the content you 
>>> want to package in your PDF*
>>>
>>> *Transcluding the content you want to package in your PDF*
>>> Mark and Sylvain address this in this thread, but the idea of say using 
>>> the TableOfContents to generate this view may be compromised by some loops, 
>>> ie a lower tiddler referencing a higher tiddler, resulting in a loop.
>>>
>>> I have a design pattern I am keen to explore that iterates the whole 
>>> Table of Contents (TOC) adding a branch field to each tiddler, that 
>>> contains the path from the Top of the TOC to the current tiddler. If you 
>>> come to the same tiddler and it already contains a branch then a reference 
>>> to the tiddler in its branch is given to stop any infinite loops, and 
>>> repeating content. The Branch could be use as bread crumbs as well. We 
>>> could also use the kin operator to list all tiddlers not in the TOC as 
>>> appendices.
>>>
>>> So I am working on this now.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 2:52:11 AM UTC+10, tam wrote:

 I am planning to spend a bit of time learning how to use TiddlyWiki in 
 more depth and I have tried to get the documentation 
 in a PDF format.

 At 

[tw5] Re: Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[Ittay Dror]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 5:36:42 PM UTC+3, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:26:03 PM UTC+2, Ittay Dror wrote:
>>
>> I want to retain no tiddlers, just plugins and settings
>>
>
> I know. But most settings are tiddlers too!. That's why I wanted to know, 
> if your settings are ControlPanel only?
> -m
>

I don't know. I've been customizing it over the years whenever I had a need 
( getting a plugin or copy from somewhere).  Isn't there a way to 
just delete the "normal" tiddlers?

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[tw5] Re: Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[PMario]

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:26:03 PM UTC+2, Ittay Dror wrote:
>
> I want to retain no tiddlers, just plugins and settings
>

I know. But most settings are tiddlers too!. That's why I wanted to know, 
if your settings are ControlPanel only?
-m

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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to download TiddlyWiki documentation as a PDF?

[SylvainComte]

Hello,

Maybe spliting it in sub-chapters ?

I did hack the toc macro to make a book macro. freezes the browser tab when 
using the whole wiki (<>)... But not if I uses book 
macro for each first level chapter (see TiddlyWiki-Book.tid). I don't know 
why...

It's a bit raw out of the box and needs a lot polishing but works (see 
example attached - note i'm behind a proxy firewall so a lot of external 
ressources are blocked) - nearly 900 pages!!! Had to put this on a sharing 
partner (available only 7 days and 100 downloads. Be fast! ;-) 
: https://send.firefox.com/download/285dc36d71cf93d7/#Gj_WNWkdrRULJb6HUkOe5A

You may play with it by yourself : get the "book.tid" macro and the 
"TiddlyWiki-Book.tid" tiddlers in your own copy.

cheers

Sylvain
@sycom

Le mardi 28 mai 2019 09:24:11 UTC+2, TonyM a écrit :
>
> Folks,
>
> I have built a Linear Table Of Contents that appears in a single 
> tiddlywiki, such as it would create a single tiddler with the content from 
> the Table Of Contents. Its working well, but It fails due to the size of 
> tiddlywiki.com (offline copy).
>
> I can list all the titles but if I transclude the content for each tiddler 
> on clicking "done, the result is never displayed. The Wiki seems to 
> freezes, and closing the browser the only option.
>
> I wonder if there are some settings that would allow it to work.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 11:13:24 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tam,
>>
>> It is interesting to read your request. Tell us more how/where you will 
>> use the resulting PDF?
>>
>> As Mat points out TiddlyWiki.com is non-linear, it is not a book, it 
>> makes full use of an interactive table of contents, search and optional 
>> paths. This is better organised that any PDF can be. I have actually built 
>> a version of TiddlyWiki.com for the new user but it includes the ability to 
>> take notes and more.
>>
>> Unless you plan to print your PDF can I ask where will you read your PDF 
>> that you can't instead open the tiddlywiki itself? If you want to read 
>> everything in a wiki, perhaps a button to tag each read tiddler with a 
>> "read" tag.
>>
>> *Sticking to your original request.*
>> If we come up with a good solution, perhaps others will also use this, 
>> not just for tiddlywiki.com.
>>
>> Ideally if we could export it to pdf with the chapter headings in the 
>> contents of the pdf and then use the search within pdf it may be almost as 
>> easy to read it in pdf. This may actually be possible by generating a HTML 
>> tiddler/file with the correct use of headings and sections etc... and 
>> feeding this into a good html to PDF converter.
>>
>> But this could need lots of work, but it could be a worthwhile investment 
>> as it would be a way to publish the content of TiddlyWiki as a book, and 
>> some authors may want this. With careful design the one wiki could contain 
>> both the draft and revised versions of a book.
>>
>> *Quick and easy*
>> The quick and easy way is to create a tiddler which transcludes all the 
>> content you want to package in your PDF, open that tiddler in a new window 
>> and use the browsers print function to print to PDF (assuming you have 
>> installed a "print to pdf" printer). Note however to do the whole 
>> TableOfContents can be a disaster. see *Transcluding the content you 
>> want to package in your PDF*
>>
>> *Transcluding the content you want to package in your PDF*
>> Mark and Sylvain address this in this thread, but the idea of say using 
>> the TableOfContents to generate this view may be compromised by some loops, 
>> ie a lower tiddler referencing a higher tiddler, resulting in a loop.
>>
>> I have a design pattern I am keen to explore that iterates the whole 
>> Table of Contents (TOC) adding a branch field to each tiddler, that 
>> contains the path from the Top of the TOC to the current tiddler. If you 
>> come to the same tiddler and it already contains a branch then a reference 
>> to the tiddler in its branch is given to stop any infinite loops, and 
>> repeating content. The Branch could be use as bread crumbs as well. We 
>> could also use the kin operator to list all tiddlers not in the TOC as 
>> appendices.
>>
>> So I am working on this now.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 2:52:11 AM UTC+10, tam wrote:
>>>
>>> I am planning to spend a bit of time learning how to use TiddlyWiki in 
>>> more depth and I have tried to get the documentation 
>>> in a PDF format.
>>>
>>> At first I thought it would be easy - just "Export all" as static HTML 
>>> then convert to a PDF. Of course this gives me all the tiddlers in 
>>> alphabetical order. This is not much good to me, ideally I would need them 
>>> to be in *roughly* the order they appear in the contents menu of 
>>> tiddlywiki.com.
>>>
>>> Is there anyway to do this? (I'm guessing probably not).
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[Ittay Dror]

I want to retain no tiddlers, just plugins and settings

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 5:23:10 PM UTC+3, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Ittay Dror wrote:
>>
>> So I have a TiddlyWiki file with tons of tiddlers, plugins and 
>> customizations. I want to start a new one and retain the plugins and 
>> customizations, but not the tiddlers. How can I do that? 
>>
>
> How did you do your "customizations" ... Are this settings in the 
> control-panel or eg: ViewTemplate ... ?
>
> You could use my bundler-plugin, to specify all tiddlers, that you want to 
> save. see: 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Fbundler:%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Fbundler%20tiddlerlist-plus-plugin.bundle
>
> tiddlerlist-plus-plugin.bundle ... Is just a list of tiddlers. 
>
> In the right sidebar, there is also a "filtered bundles", that you can 
> enable. 
> eg: 
> https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#export-this-to-get-it-all.bundle
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[PMario]

Hi,

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 4:13:06 PM UTC+2, Ittay Dror wrote:
>
> So I have a TiddlyWiki file with tons of tiddlers, plugins and 
> customizations. I want to start a new one and retain the plugins and 
> customizations, but not the tiddlers. How can I do that? 
>

How did you do your "customizations" ... Are this settings in the 
control-panel or eg: ViewTemplate ... ?

You could use my bundler-plugin, to specify all tiddlers, that you want to 
save. see: 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Fbundler:%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fwikilabs%2Fbundler%20tiddlerlist-plus-plugin.bundle

tiddlerlist-plus-plugin.bundle ... Is just a list of tiddlers. 

In the right sidebar, there is also a "filtered bundles", that you can 
enable. 
eg: 
https://wikilabs.github.io/editions/bundler/#export-this-to-get-it-all.bundle

have fun!
mario




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[tw5] Using an existing TW file to start a new one

[Ittay Dror]

So I have a TiddlyWiki file with tons of tiddlers, plugins and 
customizations. I want to start a new one and retain the plugins and 
customizations, but not the tiddlers. How can I do that? 

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Are we neglecting "Restore" from default "Download Saves"?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Mark S. wrote:
>
> There is the edge case where the $stem file is new, and there are no other 
> $stem (\d).html files. Probably can be ignored ...
>

Probably!

But there is the case that IF a user deleted it in Downloads their next 
save would again be  $stem , not  $stem (N) ... I think?

In practice, with regular use, of your script I think that is maybe likely 
to happen as a user does routine housekeeping to prevent Downloads becoming 
a swamp of excess saved wiki? 

I did test of Downloads in Chrome with 20 numeric versions of $stem (N). 
Then, (1) Delete $stem with no number; (2) Next save to Downloads from wiki 
-> Result: next save is  $stem not-numbered .

Just an observation on browser behaviour!

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Best strategy for documenting TiddlyMap links/edges?

[Antony Hilliard]

Hello TiddlyWiki community,

First off, thank you to all the contributors and to Felix for TiddlyMap. 
What a great platform for developing knowledge bases!  I'm trying to figure 
out how to develop typical industrial engineering task and work analyses in 
TiddlyWiki, most likely with the TiddlyMap plugin.  
(e.g. https://github.com/ahilliard/tiddlyWDA )

Documenting edge-types is very well supported 
( http://tiddlymap.org/#Edge%20types ).  But what approach have others 
found best for documenting specific instances of TiddlyMap edges? The use 
case is showing a draft analysis/wiki to an expert to ask for 
corrections/critiques. This means it should be easy for a reader to 
understand what is meant by each node/edge in the Tiddlymap.

Some options that have come to mind:

   1. Manually document each edge in the description in the origin and/or 
   destination nodes.  Works, but not very elegant especially when drafting 
   and moving edges around.
   2. Not document each edge, leave it implicit and hope that the edge-type 
   description is enough for readers ( not ideal since the whole purpose is to 
   support debating/validating the links )
   3. Try to figure out how to link WikiText to the TiddlyMap 
   auto-generated Edge IDs 
   ( http://tiddlymap.org/#Storage%20of%20Edges%20and%20their%20types ).  
   
How have others solved this issue?

-Antony

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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to download TiddlyWiki documentation as a PDF?

[TonyM]

Folks,

I have built a Linear Table Of Contents that appears in a single 
tiddlywiki, such as it would create a single tiddler with the content from 
the Table Of Contents. Its working well, but It fails due to the size of 
tiddlywiki.com (offline copy).

I can list all the titles but if I transclude the content for each tiddler 
on clicking "done, the result is never displayed. The Wiki seems to 
freezes, and closing the browser the only option.

I wonder if there are some settings that would allow it to work.

Regards
Tony

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 11:13:24 AM UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> Hi Tam,
>
> It is interesting to read your request. Tell us more how/where you will 
> use the resulting PDF?
>
> As Mat points out TiddlyWiki.com is non-linear, it is not a book, it makes 
> full use of an interactive table of contents, search and optional paths. 
> This is better organised that any PDF can be. I have actually built a 
> version of TiddlyWiki.com for the new user but it includes the ability to 
> take notes and more.
>
> Unless you plan to print your PDF can I ask where will you read your PDF 
> that you can't instead open the tiddlywiki itself? If you want to read 
> everything in a wiki, perhaps a button to tag each read tiddler with a 
> "read" tag.
>
> *Sticking to your original request.*
> If we come up with a good solution, perhaps others will also use this, not 
> just for tiddlywiki.com.
>
> Ideally if we could export it to pdf with the chapter headings in the 
> contents of the pdf and then use the search within pdf it may be almost as 
> easy to read it in pdf. This may actually be possible by generating a HTML 
> tiddler/file with the correct use of headings and sections etc... and 
> feeding this into a good html to PDF converter.
>
> But this could need lots of work, but it could be a worthwhile investment 
> as it would be a way to publish the content of TiddlyWiki as a book, and 
> some authors may want this. With careful design the one wiki could contain 
> both the draft and revised versions of a book.
>
> *Quick and easy*
> The quick and easy way is to create a tiddler which transcludes all the 
> content you want to package in your PDF, open that tiddler in a new window 
> and use the browsers print function to print to PDF (assuming you have 
> installed a "print to pdf" printer). Note however to do the whole 
> TableOfContents can be a disaster. see *Transcluding the content you want 
> to package in your PDF*
>
> *Transcluding the content you want to package in your PDF*
> Mark and Sylvain address this in this thread, but the idea of say using 
> the TableOfContents to generate this view may be compromised by some loops, 
> ie a lower tiddler referencing a higher tiddler, resulting in a loop.
>
> I have a design pattern I am keen to explore that iterates the whole Table 
> of Contents (TOC) adding a branch field to each tiddler, that contains the 
> path from the Top of the TOC to the current tiddler. If you come to the 
> same tiddler and it already contains a branch then a reference to the 
> tiddler in its branch is given to stop any infinite loops, and repeating 
> content. The Branch could be use as bread crumbs as well. We could also use 
> the kin operator to list all tiddlers not in the TOC as appendices.
>
> So I am working on this now.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 2:52:11 AM UTC+10, tam wrote:
>>
>> I am planning to spend a bit of time learning how to use TiddlyWiki in 
>> more depth and I have tried to get the documentation 
>> in a PDF format.
>>
>> At first I thought it would be easy - just "Export all" as static HTML 
>> then convert to a PDF. Of course this gives me all the tiddlers in 
>> alphabetical order. This is not much good to me, ideally I would need them 
>> to be in *roughly* the order they appear in the contents menu of 
>> tiddlywiki.com.
>>
>> Is there anyway to do this? (I'm guessing probably not).
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to download TiddlyWiki documentation as a PDF?

[bimlas]

Note: If you first edit TableOfContents tiddler, the tiddlers will appear 
in the same order as they appear in the table of contents: just add the 
'sort[]' parameter:



<>



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[tw5] Re: Is there any way to download TiddlyWiki documentation as a PDF?

[bimlas]

A possible solution is to install Kin filter 
(https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-kin-filter/) on https://tiddlywiki.com/ wiki, 
create a new tiddler with the following content

<$list filter="[[TableOfContents]kin::to[]first[5]]">

  ! <$view field="title"/>

  <$transclude field="text"/>



Since the Kin filter is not used as a filter here, but as a generator 
(blank braces), it lists the tiddlers in the order of the crawl. The order 
roughly covers the order of the table of contents (It travels in depth 
first of all), for example:

TableOfContents
About
Acknowledgements
Contributors
History of TiddlyWiki
License
Releases
AlphaReleases
BetaReleases
TiddlyDesktop Releases
TiddlyWiki Releases
TiddlyWiki5 Versioning
RoadMap
Community


[image: vivaldi_2019-05-28_08-13-40.png]


Open the print dialog (usually Ctrl-P) and the destination "printer" should 
be the PDF format (available in Chrome for example).

In this example, it only export the first 5 tiddlers (because of 
`first[5]`), because displaying all the tiddlers takes a lot of time (not 
sure that it works at all). 


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