[tw5] Re: Navigation Issue: Small tiddlers all on the screen

[Mohammad]

Mario,
 Based on the Jeremy announcement 
here: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywikidev/X7pZkPLc_Xg/OWMovlRTAgAJ
It seems TW 5.1.20 soon will be released. I am asking to see if it is 
possible to have the exclude parameter working for TOC macro
as explained here: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3975

--Mohammad

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:42:57 PM UTC+4:30, PMario wrote:
>
> Hi Mohammad, 
>
> I did add a "fix toc" pull request [1], last week. This PR also contains a 
> very little (but extremely powerful) new feature, that will let us 
> highlight a so called "focused-tiddler". .. 
>
> This focused tiddler can be different to the current-tiddler element of 
> the $:/HistoryList. It will allow us to eg: style the focused tiddler 
> border. In the future, it will be easy to make focus changes visible. ... 
>
> With the PR the focused tiddler status is used to highlight the "current" 
> element in the sidebar TOC. .. With a plugin, this behaviour can be 
> extended. So if an open tiddler reaches the eg: upper 1/3 of the screen, 
> the focused-tiddler field will be updated, in the TOC. So you can see, 
> which tiddler is "active" at the moment. 
>
> I did release a video about the TOC refactoring some time ago. .. The 
> behaviour described above can be seen  
> from about: 3:20 - 4:40.  
>
> The plugin _is not_ part of the PR. It will be published at wikilabs, once 
> the PR is merged. I hope, it will be merged and published with 5.1.20. ... 
>
> The PR still contains a glitch, that I have to fix, this week, since I've 
> been on holidays last week :)
>
> The full video [2] also demonstrates some functions, that I did remove 
> from the PR, to increase the chance to get the PR merged. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
> [1] the PR: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/3975
> [2] the full Video about TOC refactoring status: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaevaODdKyA
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mohammad]

Great job!
Creating table in wiki text when table has many entries is always a tedious 
task!
This work simplifies the task.

I think it may simply extended to cover data-tiddlers

Thank you
Mohammad

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 6:55:12 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[TonyM]

Mat,

While fields2table is fresh in your mind, perhaps you could build a 
data2table that does the same for key value pairs in a data tiddler?

With the fields issue, I have also identified there will always be more 
fields than there are field types, in fields2table you are using the same 
field type of text for every field. But we could have say a data field type 
that we assign to one or more date fields.

Thus to handle fields well we need to provide a set of field types which 
can be assigned to one or more fields when they are defined. Field type 
will define how to view or edit fields with that type.

Regards
Tony

On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:24:17 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Mat,
>>
>> Nice share. I have build something similar but more complex, I like this 
>> straightforward solution.
>>
>> I note that if we add 
>> <> 
>> next to your demo table we can change the order of items with the tag 
>> pill.
>>
>
> Yes, that should work if the table is in the demo tiddler where the list 
> field is.
>
>
>
>>- If we had an equivalent to the tag macro that operated like a tag 
>>pill but to control the order of a named field (list by default) it would 
>>be very helpful
>>
>> Yes, that is a very nice idea. I find the DnD mechanism in TW tricky to 
> work with so if we had a ready made macro to apply it to any field, that'd 
> be useful. An even neater idea would be if the items in the 
> to-be-manipulated field could be arbitrary. Instead of a string in a list, 
> it could be whatever is between two markers like a div with a certain class 
> or ID or so. Instead of <> it'd be <> where foo is the 
> identifying mark for all the segments. In contrast to <>, I'm not sure 
> if that construct should display show something beyond the items being 
> DnD'able. 
>
>  
>
>> In my grander designs I am working to define fields such that they are 
>> handled differently according to read-only, view, edit and update modes for 
>> the whole wiki or individual tiddler.
>>
>
> Yes, I think we both feel that fields are still way under-exploited. 
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

TonyM wrote:
>
> Mat,
>
> Nice share. I have build something similar but more complex, I like this 
> straightforward solution.
>
> I note that if we add 
> <> 
> next to your demo table we can change the order of items with the tag pill.
>

Yes, that should work if the table is in the demo tiddler where the list 
field is.



>- If we had an equivalent to the tag macro that operated like a tag 
>pill but to control the order of a named field (list by default) it would 
>be very helpful
>
> Yes, that is a very nice idea. I find the DnD mechanism in TW tricky to 
work with so if we had a ready made macro to apply it to any field, that'd 
be useful. An even neater idea would be if the items in the 
to-be-manipulated field could be arbitrary. Instead of a string in a list, 
it could be whatever is between two markers like a div with a certain class 
or ID or so. Instead of <> it'd be <> where foo is the 
identifying mark for all the segments. In contrast to <>, I'm not sure 
if that construct should display show something beyond the items being 
DnD'able. 

 

> In my grander designs I am working to define fields such that they are 
> handled differently according to read-only, view, edit and update modes for 
> the whole wiki or individual tiddler.
>

Yes, I think we both feel that fields are still way under-exploited. 

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[TonyM]

Mat,

Nice share. I have build something similar but more complex, I like this 
straightforward solution.

I note that if we add 
<> 
next to your demo table we can change the order of items with the tag pill.

I have done similar presenting a drag and drop to change column order as 
well, which is simply reordering the list field. This has made me think

   - If we had an equivalent to the tag macro that operated like a tag pill 
   but to control the order of a named field (list by default) it would be 
   very helpful

In my grander designs I am working to define fields such that they are 
handled differently according to read-only, view, edit and update modes for 
the whole wiki or individual tiddler.

Thanks
Tony




On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 12:25:12 AM UTC+10, Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Ste Wilson]

Ooohhh.. That's cool.. 
This might be the thing for a materials database... Hmmm

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Watt wrote:
>
> Working! Thanks very much Mat, it's very useful!


Good to hear.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Watt]

Working! Thanks very much Mat, it's very useful!

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

@Watt

OK, now please test again, if you'd be so kind.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

Watt - darn, wait with the testing.

>
<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

K500 and David, thanks for your kind words!

Watt, thanks for reporting. Could you please try it now again. (I have 
changed the action/uncheckactions arguments.)

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[Watt]

Thanks for this Mat, 
Got a problem on edit though. I'm losing the contents of my list field after 
clicking on the edit pen (top left on the table), then clicking it again to 
save.

Field names look correct and I get the same result on your demo site.

I used <> in a tiddler with a list field containing 
'event url' and another tiddler with fields event and url, populated.

The table appears fine but clicking the edit pen twice empties the list field 
for me.

Anybody else with the same experience?

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[tw5] Re: Presenting: fields2table

[David Gifford]

Great! Added to the Tables, charts and graphs section of the Toolmap - 
https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 9:25:12 AM UTC-5, Mat wrote:
>
> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Presenting: fields2table

[K500 L501]

"smallish macro", like the man who said:
I invented this smallish thing, I'll call it "screw driver"

Our Gratitude shall cast gloden rays on the paths of you life,
Oh Great Imperial Highness!!

Kilo

PS: this will become standard in my TWs as of this evening!


On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 4:25 PM Mat  wrote:

> The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
> ...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:
>
> fields2table 
>
> This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers
> field values.
> It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table
> and to manually edit the values.
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Presenting: fields2table

[Mat]

The chief tiddleur of TWaddle Imperial proudly presents...
...an oh' so elegantly titled little macro:

fields2table 

This is a smallish macro to create a table, based on filtered tiddlers 
field values.
It is particularly simple to specify what fields to show in the table 
and to manually edit the values.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: [meta] WikiText - what type of language is it?

[TonyM]

Josiah,

very interesting. I did not know about Monad but a brief review suggests you 
may be right.

Interestingly I was about to extend my last argument about how the tiddler is 
the uniquely keyed object in the centre of tiddlywiki with the fact that this 
rule is cast into stone, yet one can immediately code a solution to shield the 
logic from this rule.

Tiddlywiki provides excellent rules then gives you the tools to bend them.

In recent decades we discovered the human brain was much more adaptable or 
plastic than we imagined. I think tiddlywiki is a very plastic software 
solution that works well with our plastic minds. Reminding me of one of my 
first metaphors for tiddlywiki that it is like plasticine from which you can 
build almost anything.

I would be happy if twx was named with inspiration from moldable plastic, clay 
or a version there of. Dough, Lego or macarno also comes to mind but with Quine 
Monad and self referential qualities it is hard to find a common analogy.

Tiddlywiki stands alone but connected to everything.

Universal software or like the invention of the general purpose computer, the 
universal client the browser do we have general purpose software?

my imagination is sparked.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: menu item linking directly to a tiddler

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Eric

I have used Ton Gerner's excellent plugins to create a menubar with several 
> drop-down menus linking to tiddlers of interest. 
>

Glad to hear you like them. 

Assuming you are using my Top menu plugin which contains for the top menu 
(to be adjusted):


{{tagpill1||$:/plugins/tongerner/topmenu/menu-template}}
{{tagpill2||$:/plugins/tongerner/topmenu/menu-template}}


You can add to the top menu:


   - links (e.g. GettingStarted)
   - images (e.g. $:/core/images/right-arrow)
   - symbols (e.g. )
   - ...


in the following manner:


{{$:/core/ui/Buttons/home}}
[[GettingStarted]]
{{$:/core/images/right-arrow}}

{{tagpill1||$:/plugins/tongerner/topmenu/menu-template}}
{{tagpill2||$:/plugins/tongerner/topmenu/menu-template}}


For sure it needs some CSS tweaking.

Hope that helps,

Cheers,

Ton

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Re: [tw5] Re: [meta] WikiText - what type of language is it?

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Jeremy

I slept on it.

Joe's insight about The Monad is incredibly succinct and to the point about TW.

I know about monads from philosophy rather than CS. But it's the same territory.

When Leibnitz wrote the "Monadology" (giving name to a philosophy that first 
evolved in ancient Greece with Pythagoras) he pointed to the  seamless nature 
of experiencing. Monad as "undivided multiplicity".

In philosophy it tends to be associated with "idealism". I don't have space to 
explain what that means. But it is not a fault, it's an orientation. 

Of more recent philosophers Gendlin (A Process Model) and Whitehead (Process & 
Reality) understand the monad. Whitehead particularly is relevant in that he 
formalised a math philosophy. It's very close to CS.

"Process" philosophy is very different than most ideas of what happens. In 
particular it's very good at understanding how we derive novelty from 
re-combination of the prior. In brief, mostly we tend to think of explaining 
before we do, whilst in practice the new is only explainable after it's 
occurred.

Back to The TiddlyWiki...

Whilst my points are not gonna make any difference to most practical issues ... 

... I'd say that The TiddlyWiki is both a MONAD & a QUINE 

In a sense they are same type of thing, almost interchangeable terms. I think 
those two overview concepts are helpful.

If TWX were renamed THE MONAD I'd be happy 

Just thought you might be interested!

Best wishes
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Global Shortcuts and action Macro defined in other tiddlers

[PMario]

Hi, 

You can create 2 tiddlers A and B

A contains: 

\import B

<>

B contains

\define b() bb



have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Global Shortcuts and action Macro defined in other tiddlers

[PMario]

On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 6:29:23 AM UTC+2, Mohammad wrote:
...

> But it does not work!
>

"it" is not specific enough. ... IMO we could help if the line ends with ?
 

> Furthermore if a macro definea in a tiddler tagged with $:/tags/Macro why 
> they should again imported using \import pragma?
> What will be happened if the $:/tags/Macro removed and only \Pragma used?
>

TW uses a lot of conventions. System tags like $:/tags/Macro is one of 
them. It is used in the PageTemplate 
tiddler. Which 
contains: 

\import [[$:/core/ui/PageMacros]] 
[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/Macro]!has[draft.of]]   in the 4th line. 

While PageTemplate is very early in the TW widget tree, there are still 
several elements outside. eg: the root-widget and the html "document" 
element, which is No 1. Global shortcuts are activated at TW startup at a 
time, where PageTemplate doesn't exist yet. .. So they are bound to the 
"document" element. 

So if you use macros, that are defined outside the "global keyboard 
shortcut" tiddler, you'll need to import them. ... BUT be aware, that the 
line above, is very heavy weight, because it reloads ALL existing macros. 
... So 

\import my-macro-tiddler 

is the better option here. 
 

> Is there any example to give a try on this?
>

"this" again not specific enough. this ... the global shortcut or this the 
\import pragma (which does work btw)

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: How do I show tags along with tiddler title in the search result?

[talha131]

I don’t know exactly where, but I seen you earlier, maybe somewhere in the 
Vim era.

I too recall you from somewhere but can’t put my finger on it. ☺️It’s 
probably from Vim, perhaps #vim irc channel. I used to be active on it 
couple of years ago. :)
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