date:20200822

Thank you Eric.

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 14:05:59 UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 7:49:26 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>>
>> Of late when I follow your links to tiddlytools, I get something like 
>> this below
>> I am then at a loss what to do?
>>
>
> In this particular instance, the "history" tiddler (actually 
> TiddlyTools/History) is just an internal component of the InsideTW 
> documentation framework, so it only displays the actual button as content.  
> In my previous post, where I linked to this tiddler, I also said: *Drag 
> the title ("history") to your open TW and import it.*  Other than that, 
> there is nothing for you to do with this specific tiddler. To see it in 
> action, click on the "clock" icon in the toolbar.  That will show you the 
> History popup interface.
>
> ... and yes, InsideTW has a highly-customized interface, as it is intended 
> as a "documentation delivery system", rather than a general-purpose 
> TiddlyWiki resource.  If you really want to look at the "innards", you can 
> access the standard TW SideBar:
>
> 1) Unlock the document by clicking the "padlock" button (upper right page 
> toolbar)
> 2) This will reveal additional toolbar buttons, including the standard 
> "toggle sidebar" (double arrow) button
> 3) Click this button and you will see the standard SideBar.
>
> In addition, there are "page toolbars" (upper left and upper right)
>
> The upper left page toolbar shows the following buttons (from left to 
> right)
> * Toggle left side TableOf Contents panel
> * Home: clears history, locks document, opens CoverPage
> * Favorites: show list of tiddlers marked as "Favorite" (star in tiddler 
> titlebar)
> * Search This Book: search title, caption, text (limited to InsideTW 
> content tiddlers)
> * Print: Prints entire book with full page breaks and formatting
>
> The upper right page toolbar shows the following buttons (from right to 
> left):
> * Settings: various theme-like display options
> * Themes: pre-defined groups of settings
> * Toggle "stretch-to-fit": adjusts "page" margins (landscape vs portrait)
> * Toggle "lock/unlock": shows/hides "author mode" interface elements
> If "author mode" is enabled:
> * Recent changes: the SideBar "recent" tab, shown in a popup
> * Search: "Goto tiddler" custom search/navigator, plus TWCore 
> $:/AdvancedSearch, plus a link to "PowerSearch" filter constructor
> * Save: custom "Save changes" popup with optional logging of changes (see 
> "view log" button for previous changes)
> * Sidebar toggle (as described above)
>
> The Tiddler itself display shows navigation icons in the corners:
> * Top Left: view "previous" tiddler (based on TOC structure)
> * Top Right: view "next" tiddler (based on TOC structure)
> * Lower Left: popup with links to "Chapter" tiddlers
> * Lower Right: popup with links to "Appendix" tiddlers
>
> The Tiddler "titlebar" area shows:
> Left side:
> * Breadcrumbs: path from CoverPage to current tiddler (based on TOC 
> structure).  Click items in the breadcrumbs for popup list of other 
> tiddlers in that branch.
> * Tiddler icon/title: if tiddler is not a "leaf node" in the TOC, click to 
> view links to child tiddlers
> * Favorite toggle: filled/empty star.  Click to add/remove the tiddler 
> from the "Favorites" list
> Right side:
> * History/Previous button
> * History/Next button
> * History popup button
> * Print Page: prints just the current tiddler
> * if document is "unlocked", additional TWCore standard toolbar items 
> appear in a floating bubble: More, Info, Edit, Close
>
> The bottom center of the tiddler show:
> * previous/current/next links (based on *flattened* TOC tree)
> * clicking previous goes back/up one tiddler
> * clicking current or next goes to the next/down one tiddler
> * you can use these buttons to traverse the entire TOC tree
>
> That should give you plenty of way to navigate around the document 
> framework.
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD Slice'n Dice

Charlie,

Intertiddlywikiingularity

*On your thoughts of context,* I did something that was context related 
that may be worth extending and adding to your conceptual tools. 

It goes like this, lets us say you are somewhere in a wiki, in fact at a 
particular tiddler, and you decide to add a related fact you thought of, or 
you found expressed in the content of the tiddler in front of you. In a 
rather simple case this tiddler may be in a particular domain, Work Vs 
Personal, in a particular project "gardening" or for a particular person 
(Grand ma). That is this tiddlers has a context of Personal/Gardening/Grand 
Ma. These context values can be maintained in the domain/project/person 
fields on the current tiddler.

Now you can have a new tiddler button (not simply "new here" that tags the 
new with the current), its quite simple really; to create a new tiddler in 
the current context

<$action-createtiddler $basetitle="New tiddler" tags=<> 
domain={{!!domain}} project={{!!project}} person={{!!person}}/>

The new tiddler inherits the context of the first.

The idea is when adding information always do it with the appropriate 
context, because this is like providing the separate context values 
explicitly, they are now implicit. Of course you have the option to change 
any or all of these context values on your new tiddler, and that will move 
it to a new context.

You could have a current context setting, which once set, all you code 
responds to that context, unless you choose to use the context from where 
you create the next piece of information, a relationship or generate a list.

One final comment (for now) on the way the mind works. Most "mental health" 
issues are usually just somewhat an uncommon place on a spectrum of of 
"normal" behaviours". Developing strategies for Asperger's, ADHD, bi-polar, 
depression etc... which is very important to the person with such 
conditions, may also be helpful, if not essential to everyone. If for 
example you find ways to focus in the storm of information in you mind, I 
expect a version would help me stop my focus wandering into fanciful 
places, that I may take tiddlywiki (when I have work to do).

*On Planning*
You said, 

> To me, the great thing about any good wiki, you don't need a plan at all.

I was thinking recently that "planning" is only projections for future 
events, they are not facts, we quite often confuse the two, although time 
often sorts them out eventually. Perhaps we should differentiate these more 
perhaps even understand the difference between the level of certainty of 
anything.

No big requirements up front.   Kind of a Rapid Application Development 
> approach

Add evolutionary and re-iterative or continuous improvement.

I read once of an obscure language, that demands within it's grammar, not 
masculine and feminine,  or other "artefacts" of language that adds a 
degree of redundancy and error checking, but it demands the grammar alter 
depending on how the information being exchanged was obtained. For example 
the words and grammar alter if;

   - An event was 
  - both seen and heard by the speaker
  - both seen and heard by another person (hearsay)
  - Only heard but not seen, presumed to have occurred
  - Considered having occurred due to clues found after the event 
  - by whom, 1st 2nd third person or more removed and further. Eg seen 
  on TV

You can see in this language, there is less room for misrepresentation of 
the "facts" of a matter, allowing for scepticism of someones account, if 
the information was not as certain as it may sound. It could be quite easy 
to support the adoption of similar practices in TiddlyWiki.

I am confident there are plenty of common sense methods by which to improve 
the way we think, learn and discover we can encode support for with 
tiddlywiki, not an external brain but brain tools.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:17:15 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
> Blog entry:  An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD 
> Slice'n Dice 
> 
>
> I went on sick leave back in late January.  Since being diagnosed with 
> ADHD (attention deficiency) last May, I've been really eager to have a 
> dialog at work about very small and simple changes that could help make me 
> successful in my job ( a job I've been successfully since 1995, but was 
> finding impossibly challenging over the last two years because of 
> overwhelming increase in communications/meetings.)
>
> That turned into my job position being eliminated, me being demoted and 
> put into a newly created job position.  Although I think it will all 
> workout as being a good thing, it is still a pretty traumatizing surprise 
> when I went into a return to work meeting thinking we'd be having a dialog 
> about making my previous job work, and starting the meeting off with a 
> "your position has bee

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Playground Broken (only for me)

Birthe,

Thanks, That is new, and for me too now. Thanks.

Perhaps GItHub has a problem, I can download and open the file from here 

  
download/r-click save link as, and it loads. 

Perhaps there is something wrong with the GitHub server process, perhaps 
the best is to try later.

Regards
TW Tones

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 13:22:12 UTC+10, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TW Tones,
> I get the 404 file not found message.
>  
>
> Birthe
>

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[tw5] Re: "Preserving Information Context" ??? Help: I need a vocabulary lesson!

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 7:49:26 PM UTC-7, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Of late when I follow your links to tiddlytools, I get something like this 
> below
> I am then at a loss what to do?
>

In this particular instance, the "history" tiddler (actually 
TiddlyTools/History) is just an internal component of the InsideTW 
documentation framework, so it only displays the actual button as content.  
In my previous post, where I linked to this tiddler, I also said: *Drag the 
title ("history") to your open TW and import it.*  Other than that, there 
is nothing for you to do with this specific tiddler. To see it in action, 
click on the "clock" icon in the toolbar.  That will show you the History 
popup interface.

... and yes, InsideTW has a highly-customized interface, as it is intended 
as a "documentation delivery system", rather than a general-purpose 
TiddlyWiki resource.  If you really want to look at the "innards", you can 
access the standard TW SideBar:

1) Unlock the document by clicking the "padlock" button (upper right page 
toolbar)
2) This will reveal additional toolbar buttons, including the standard 
"toggle sidebar" (double arrow) button
3) Click this button and you will see the standard SideBar.

In addition, there are "page toolbars" (upper left and upper right)

The upper left page toolbar shows the following buttons (from left to right)
* Toggle left side TableOf Contents panel
* Home: clears history, locks document, opens CoverPage
* Favorites: show list of tiddlers marked as "Favorite" (star in tiddler 
titlebar)
* Search This Book: search title, caption, text (limited to InsideTW 
content tiddlers)
* Print: Prints entire book with full page breaks and formatting

The upper right page toolbar shows the following buttons (from right to 
left):
* Settings: various theme-like display options
* Themes: pre-defined groups of settings
* Toggle "stretch-to-fit": adjusts "page" margins (landscape vs portrait)
* Toggle "lock/unlock": shows/hides "author mode" interface elements
If "author mode" is enabled:
* Recent changes: the SideBar "recent" tab, shown in a popup
* Search: "Goto tiddler" custom search/navigator, plus TWCore 
$:/AdvancedSearch, plus a link to "PowerSearch" filter constructor
* Save: custom "Save changes" popup with optional logging of changes (see 
"view log" button for previous changes)
* Sidebar toggle (as described above)

The Tiddler itself display shows navigation icons in the corners:
* Top Left: view "previous" tiddler (based on TOC structure)
* Top Right: view "next" tiddler (based on TOC structure)
* Lower Left: popup with links to "Chapter" tiddlers
* Lower Right: popup with links to "Appendix" tiddlers

The Tiddler "titlebar" area shows:
Left side:
* Breadcrumbs: path from CoverPage to current tiddler (based on TOC 
structure).  Click items in the breadcrumbs for popup list of other 
tiddlers in that branch.
* Tiddler icon/title: if tiddler is not a "leaf node" in the TOC, click to 
view links to child tiddlers
* Favorite toggle: filled/empty star.  Click to add/remove the tiddler from 
the "Favorites" list
Right side:
* History/Previous button
* History/Next button
* History popup button
* Print Page: prints just the current tiddler
* if document is "unlocked", additional TWCore standard toolbar items 
appear in a floating bubble: More, Info, Edit, Close

The bottom center of the tiddler show:
* previous/current/next links (based on *flattened* TOC tree)
* clicking previous goes back/up one tiddler
* clicking current or next goes to the next/down one tiddler
* you can use these buttons to traverse the entire TOC tree

That should give you plenty of way to navigate around the document 
framework.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD Slice'n Dice

In reverse:

Just because I get the oddest thoughts that are sometimes worth chewing on 
for the giggles:  when one can muster up the courage to raise a topic 
without confidence in that topic, then the learning of the topic begets 
growth of the confidence.  Just a random thought, nowhere near as eloquent 
as I'd wish, but fun (to me) nonetheless...

It is the oddest thing.  Recently, I've found myself envious of folk in 
wheelchairs because needs are (and rightfully should always be without 
question) addressed no-fuss-no-muss.  Anything having to do with cognitive 
disorders seems to not get the same empathy.  Seems stigmatized.  Lately, 
I've been thinking: who knew ADHD-shaming was a thing?

I can't see me ever asking anybody to pull his/her head in.  I have a 
pretty happy philosophy:  it doesn't matter if I disagree with what you are 
saying, it doesn't matter if I'm not relating to what you are saying, or if 
we are talking past each other, or I'm not clear, or you're not clear, or 
if I think you're answering a question that isn't the question I'm asking, 
etc. etc. etc.  Everything, every thought, every word, is no more than six 
degrees of separation from something really awesome, whatever it is.  
Especially when I see any time/effort anybody takes/puts into writing 
something: I gotta soak it in.

Cheers !

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 11:08:21 PM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> Do tell me to "pull  my head in" if I don't know what I am talking about, 
> but I have come to be concerned with these issues.
>
> Our world is still quite ignorant of the mind. We have friends and family 
> with various conditions and in Australia the last few years have being 
> served well with a mental health week that out Public Broadcaster has 
> embraced. For anything we don't experience our-self, or have  someone close 
> to use experiencing, we tend towards ignorance that drives confusion and 
> distance from things we don't understand. The world is slowly learning and 
> I expect their will be a day in which there is far more understanding. This 
> understanding depends on those living their different experiences, to come 
> out, lest we never learn from them.
>
> The mind is so intimately linked with agency, intent and motivation, 
> people find it hard to understand how to separate conditions (even 
> personalities) from what motivates us behind their eyes.  Directing 
> compassion towards those who do not understand, although sometimes 
> difficult, is healthy for our self, but also for them. 
>
> *In response to your original post, *
>
> if anybody has any ideas/questions/comments/anything you want to lob my 
>> way related to any of this
>
>
> I think as a community we need to "curate" the various and wonder full 
> tools to some extent that people can find what they are looking for. I for 
> one have dozens of macros and tools to publish that before I wrote them I 
> wish someone else had, so I feel duty bound to share. But there is also the 
> wealth of solutions from others, and being able to choose what and when to 
> use them does need to be more public.
>
> So if you feel confident consider raising a topic to address an area you 
> are confident in.
>
> Thanks for your contributions
> Tones
>  
>
> On Sunday, 23 August 2020 03:56:44 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Oh man, just when I think everything will be fine, and about to embark in 
>> a healing/healthy (and wildly interesting project) as part of ripping that 
>> band-aid quickly, I read your message and realize the pinball that is my 
>> stage of grief is still bouncing all over the place.
>>
>> Thanks!  Without realizing it (I'm fiercely independent and not one to 
>> ask for help, other than from doctors and very close family), I guess I 
>> really needed a friendly message (that's a serious dose of good medicine.)  
>>
>> Of course, my old sponge goes all over the place like a herd of cats and 
>> puppies: why is it I can get a compassionate pat on the back from somebody 
>> I don't know at all (well, other than via a few exchanges in a fine 
>> discussion group), yet am not getting that at all in a work environment and 
>> fine enough folk I want to have dialogue with, but don't want to have any 
>> dialogue with me at all.
>>
>> I chalk it up to my naive view of people in a work setting.  Not upset 
>> about it.  Just don't quite understand it, so it takes up brain cycles: 
>> something that keeps tugging at my attention.  Hence a deep dive into this 
>> fun project, a good TiddlyWiki use case built as I keep digging deeper into 
>> the intertwingled rabbit hole.
>>
>> *Thanks much, Tones.*
>>
>> And all of this aside, please keep blowing my mind with all of them 
>> really meaty posts/comments on wildly interesting topics.  Everyone of them 
>> are like running into a polar plunge (totally immersed and fully engaged in 
>> it), and it is exciting every time.
>>
>> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 3:52:13 AM UTC-3 TW Tones w

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Playground Broken (only for me)

TW Tones,
I get the 404 file not found message.
 

Birthe

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[tw5] TiddlyWiki Playground Broken (only for me)

Folks,

Have you seen my TiddlyEWiki playground?

https://anthonymuscio.github.io/playground.htm

It has access to 4 plugin libraries and a good place to experiment as ii 
has the local storage plugin, reload without needing to save to file, to 
get your plugins working.

*My Problem,*
I broke something and I get an error when I load it in my browser instance. 

Internal JavaScript Error
Well, this is embarrassing. It is recommended that you restart TiddlyWiki 
by refreshing your browser
Script error.

Using the developer tools I can't find a way to delete the storage, can't 
enter safe mode etc...

Its fine in another browser/incognito so I believe the error is trapped in 
local storage, but I can't get in to the wiki to clear local storage. And 
cant find it in the developer tools (Chrome)

*Any ideas please?*

Tones

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[tw5] Re: An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD Slice'n Dice

G'day Birthe,

Plans for that site?  I'm thinking links to general ADHD resources, my own 
ADHD experience/journey, using the writing process to, in parallel, define 
this thing I call Intertwingularity Mapping, how I'm using TiddlyWiki to 
support Intertwingularity Mapping.  That's the thing: I have a general 
idea, but not quite sure how to plan ahead for content and structure.  To 
me, the great thing about any good wiki, you don't need a plan at all.  Let 
it all organically emerge/evolve from a stating point of just a simple list 
of things.  No big requirements up front.   Kind of a Rapid Application 
Development approach.  Incrementally and iteratively tweak/adjust.  Things 
like componentization of information, emerging/evolutionary structuring of 
information, testing this  "agile malleability of information" theory in my 
head, all while putting together this huge intertwingled mess of ADHD 
things in my head.

Without going to far into my ADHD experience:  I have a hard time with 
verbal communications that involves more than one person and more than one 
topic.  It boils down to over-stimulation when there is too much going on 
at once because everything/anything grabs my attention.  I can stay focused 
much more easily when dissecting one thing to pieces, so a one-on-one 
dialog about the simple things I need for communications/meetings, that I 
could handle, even better if via skype (just audio) to eliminate visual 
distractions.  Let's just say it is all pretty bat-poop-crazy complicated 
to explain, but the solutions to keeping me focused are ridiculously easy 
(if the other side, from my perspective, didn't treat it as some kind of 
power struggle: I want to do everything they ask, I just need a way of 
doing those things in a way I can manage.)

All of that, an attempt to give a simple answer, has turned into something 
akin to a whole bunch of spaghetti and meatballs flung at a wall (i.e. a 
disorganized mess), kind of a reflection of my head.  Eventually, I hope my 
TiddlyWiki-centered Intertwingularity Mapping process will turn the mess of 
ADHD stuff in my sponge into something coherent.

Before getting into ADHD content, the first thing I want to do is blog 
about (Intertwingularity Mapping) Preserving "Information Context" via 
"Information Folding", and applying that concept with the DetailsWidget.  
I'm just not crazy about calling it "preserving information context" (i.e. 
keeping information I'm looking at still visible while viewing some other 
detail midstream).  That's got my whole focus right now.

There I go, all wordy as per my nature ...

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 4:04:45 PM UTC-3 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> You wrote: given lemons you would make lemonade. Well that takes some time 
> too, because that will be quite an acidic mixture until you find some sugar 
> to put into it.
> You are on your way, working with what you have got - and you will get 
> there.
>
> I have a tendency to take words too literal at times - I think you may 
> know that one too.  
> It happened when you wrote about all the meetings and communication - but 
> still you want a dialogue. I kind of stumbled over the word communication 
> (in a one way street). Never mind that helps me laugh sometimes.
>
> What are your plans for your site? 
>
> Birthe
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: "Preserving Information Context" ??? Help: I need a vocabulary lesson!

Eric,

Friendly observation and my experience.

Of late when I follow your links to tiddlytools, I get something like this 
below.

[image: Snag_1a5d9753.png]

I am then at a loss what to do?

I know this site is heavily customised as a documentation resource, but I 
find it hard to find my way around without learning you specific 
implementation.

Otherwise it looks great. 

Best wishes
Tony


On Sunday, 23 August 2020 06:36:28 UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:00:00 PM UTC-7, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>> All of that rambling to ask:  this thing I like (preserving infomation 
>> context), does anybody have any alternative expression(s) that might make 
>> more sense, or (to not reinvent the wheel) an already existing expression?
>>
>
> Give my "History" toolbar button a try:
> http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory
>
> The TiddlyTools/History tiddler adds a toolbar button to the tiddler's 
> ViewToolbar.  When clicked, it presents a drop-down panel that shows a list 
> of all tiddlers that have been viewed during the current TiddlyWiki 
> "session" (i.e., since you loaded the file in the browser).  The currently 
> viewed tiddler is indicated by the text, "You are here".   The panel also 
> provides a "delete history" button (trashcan) to clear the history list 
> (except for the currently viewed tiddler and any DefaultTiddlers).  There 
> is also a "show details" button (double down arrow) that displays internal 
> details about how the history list has been computed, which combines the 
> contents of the $:/HistoryList, the $:/StoryList, and the DefaultTiddlers.
>
> To install:
> 1) visit http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory
> 2) Drag the title ("history") to your open TW and import it
>
> Similarly, for faster navigation, you can also install 
> TiddlyTools/History/Previous and TiddlyTools/History/Next:
> 1) visit http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory%2FPrevious
> 2) Drag the title ("previous") to your open TW and import it
> 3) visit http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory%2FNext
> 4) Drag the title ("next") to your open TW and import it
>
> Note: You can adjust the placement of the buttons within the tiddler 
> ViewToolbar:
> 1) Open TiddlyTools/History (or TiddlyTools/Previous or TiddlyTools/Next)
> 2) Click the "tag pill" for $:/tags/ViewToolbar
> 3) Use drag-and-drop to change the order of the ViewToolbar items
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: File in directory

Also, Wiki's running under TiddlyDesktop have local file rights, can access 
a local file in the wiki

eg
 

But no one has helped me work out how to "parse" this once included.

Regards
Tones


On Sunday, 23 August 2020 00:45:15 UTC+10, Man GuyDude wrote:
>
>
> is it possible for tiddly-wiki to get a list of files in a directory i 
> know you can embed files on the local system but is there a way to get a 
> list of files in a folder or is there a way to reference local files in a 
> relative sense? 
>
> another alternative i could do would be if i could keep the list of files 
> in a text file that a separate program updates and then tiddly wiki parses 
> that info somehow so i can reference the files in the folders i don't know 
> how to parse the data into tiddler only how to embed the file i want the 
> actual data
>
> an answer to anyone of these would solve my problem
>

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[tw5] Re: Sync Value Tiddler Wiki

GuyDude?

If you use a Node Implementation each tiddler is stored this way, but we do 
need a little improvement in this area. Bob also allows you to serve a 
files folder, perhaps you can write to that?. To export you need a trigger, 
typically a button, but there are ways to make use of an existing trigger 
like startup actions or even the save button itself. Where it gets a little 
complex is to get this to work in the different saver/browsers because 
writing to files (Especially local)  is limited by browser security. There 
are way I can foresee but they are all a little complex and I would need 
research further to answer.

Anyone else?

Regards
Tones

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 00:54:10 UTC+10, Man GuyDude wrote:
>
>
> is there a way to auto sync certain values with tiddlywiki like for 
> instance syncing the names of tiddlers to a text file i know you can export 
> stuff butt i was wondering if this could be done automatically
>

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[tw5] Re: Google Groups Forum Changes

On mobile,

I find the new Forum on Mobile almost useless, I can't star conversations 
for later and get a link and more - very disappointing so far.

Regards
Tony

On Saturday, 22 August 2020 16:55:41 UTC+10, TW Tones wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Have you seen the message, at least on the online forum?, where I live, I 
> tend not to subscribe to emails
>
>> The new Google Groups offers all your favourite features with a fresh 
>> look and will replace classic Groups soon
>
>
> I urge you to look and complain, where it does not at least provide 
> equivalence. Google Groups is not perfect but many of us depend on it, so 
> please do not wait until it is too late.
>
> Thanks
> Tones
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[tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Moe,

Bullets support indent as does blockquotes.

Do look at using codemirror, it provides indenting/tabs, but I have not 
tried the first line only indent (Not a style I like). Recently Saq Made 
indenting for bullets automatic with the tab, and I have often used the 
combination of ";" and ":" especially one or more ":" to indent.

You could also use css to define a class, that has first line indent, and 
you can build an Editor Toolbar button for it.

Regards
Tony

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>   Just a simple indent, for the love of football! Seriously, why is 
> something so simple so hard to find? 

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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Eric,

You have almost got it. Australia Shares Rugby internationally with quite a 
few countries, Rugby Union, internally however we have two other "codes" 
AFL (Which some call aerial ping pong)  and rugby league NRL, not to 
mention Soccer. American Football is a total mystery to me.

All four codes are team sports. Australia is home to four professional 
football codes: *Australian Football League* (*AFL*), Australian *Rugby 
Union* (ARU), *National Rugby League* (*NRL*), and Football Federation 
Australia (FFA). *AFL* is the national competition of *Australian Rules 
football* and was formed in 1897 in Victoria. 

Yes, football was over used, so yes Soccer is the "no hands allowed" 
(Except for Goalie)  football.

All this is from someone who's youth in Papua New Guinea (Rugby) and New 
Zealand (Soccer) means I do not follow Australian football much. Actually 
team sports on the whole.

Regards
Tony

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 06:45:55 UTC+10, Eric Shulman wrote:
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps I'm not expressing myself clearly enough.
>>
>
> Indeed.  There is a difference between "paragraph indentation" and "block 
> indentation".  In your OP, you said "a simple indent", so it was not clear 
> which kind of indentation you meant.  My solution is for "block 
> indentation".
>
> -e
>
> P.S.  There's also a difference between "American Football" (Football), 
> "Australian Football" (Rugby), and "Football" everywhere else (which is 
> called "Soccer" in the US).  :)
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[tw5] Re: An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD Slice'n Dice

Charlie,

Do tell me to "pull  my head in" if I don't know what I am talking about, 
but I have come to be concerned with these issues.

Our world is still quite ignorant of the mind. We have friends and family 
with various conditions and in Australia the last few years have being 
served well with a mental health week that out Public Broadcaster has 
embraced. For anything we don't experience our-self, or have  someone close 
to use experiencing, we tend towards ignorance that drives confusion and 
distance from things we don't understand. The world is slowly learning and 
I expect their will be a day in which there is far more understanding. This 
understanding depends on those living their different experiences, to come 
out, lest we never learn from them.

The mind is so intimately linked with agency, intent and motivation, people 
find it hard to understand how to separate conditions (even personalities) 
from what motivates us behind their eyes.  Directing compassion towards 
those who do not understand, although sometimes difficult, is healthy for 
our self, but also for them. 

*In response to your original post, *

if anybody has any ideas/questions/comments/anything you want to lob my way 
> related to any of this

I think as a community we need to "curate" the various and wonder full 
tools to some extent that people can find what they are looking for. I for 
one have dozens of macros and tools to publish that before I wrote them I 
wish someone else had, so I feel duty bound to share. But there is also the 
wealth of solutions from others, and being able to choose what and when to 
use them does need to be more public.

So if you feel confident consider raising a topic to address an area you 
are confident in.

Thanks for your contributions
Tones

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 03:56:44 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
> Oh man, just when I think everything will be fine, and about to embark in 
> a healing/healthy (and wildly interesting project) as part of ripping that 
> band-aid quickly, I read your message and realize the pinball that is my 
> stage of grief is still bouncing all over the place.
>
> Thanks!  Without realizing it (I'm fiercely independent and not one to ask 
> for help, other than from doctors and very close family), I guess I really 
> needed a friendly message (that's a serious dose of good medicine.)  
>
> Of course, my old sponge goes all over the place like a herd of cats and 
> puppies: why is it I can get a compassionate pat on the back from somebody 
> I don't know at all (well, other than via a few exchanges in a fine 
> discussion group), yet am not getting that at all in a work environment and 
> fine enough folk I want to have dialogue with, but don't want to have any 
> dialogue with me at all.
>
> I chalk it up to my naive view of people in a work setting.  Not upset 
> about it.  Just don't quite understand it, so it takes up brain cycles: 
> something that keeps tugging at my attention.  Hence a deep dive into this 
> fun project, a good TiddlyWiki use case built as I keep digging deeper into 
> the intertwingled rabbit hole.
>
> *Thanks much, Tones.*
>
> And all of this aside, please keep blowing my mind with all of them really 
> meaty posts/comments on wildly interesting topics.  Everyone of them are 
> like running into a polar plunge (totally immersed and fully engaged in 
> it), and it is exciting every time.
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 3:52:13 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, and best of luck with these challenges, although 
>> often different, we all face challenges, with a big one time to time, but 
>> most only make us stronger. 
>>
>> I think writing is a good idea, but even more so if you work to build a 
>> larger resource, if not only for yourself. I am looking at writing my first 
>> book, only considering it at the moment, but I too plan to make use of 
>> tiddlywiki as a platform on which to build a knowledge network. 
>>
>> I too have faced retrenchment due to business changing, twice actually, 
>> sad to hear for you it coincided with these other issues in your life. 
>> There is no reason to thank your former employer, but it is an opportunity 
>> for the new, and perhaps even better, it forces you out of your comfort 
>> zone and opens so many new possibilities. This will all be your own effort 
>> and you can take full responsibility for your successes, when they come.
>>
>> Please do remain connected and sharing with the community, for support 
>> and input.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:17:15 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>>
>>> Blog entry:  An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD 
>>> Slice'n Dice 
>>> 
>>>
>>> I went on sick leave back in late January.  Since bei

Re: [tw5] Re: Can this be toggled just like the feature in Notion?

2020-08-22 Thread Keelan Cook

I love it. It's completely changed the way I go about research and 
notetaking.

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 6:49:39 AM UTC-4 justinehe...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thank you for recommending this plugin! I'll save it for future purposes 
> haha.
>
> On Saturday, 22 August 2020 at 18:40:06 UTC+8 keela...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Streams plugin is also pretty handy for collapsible lists, as long as 
>> you don't mind each node being a separate tiddler.
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
>> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 6:07:43 AM UTC-4 justinehe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank u for giving some resources! I'll use this :DD
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  Virus-free. 
>>> www.avast.com 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> <#m_5477709299226779138_m_-6039637183770711903_m_-229444915624166306_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 17:16, Eric Shulman  wrote:
>>>
 On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 1:12:05 AM UTC-7, jin wrote:
>
> I believe its called sliders here in tw5. I wanted to toggle the 2018 
> link as shown above in my tiddler so I can expand the other tiddlers 
> inside 
> 2018 or not 
>

 "sliders" is old terminology from the original TiddlyWiki Classic (TWC) 
 version,
 and "Nested Sliders" was a TWC plugin I created that could produce a 
 wide variety of 
 multi-level collapsible "outline-like" content (see 
 http://www.tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPluginInfo)
 However, the TWC "slider" and TiddlyTools NestedSlidersPlugin cannot be 
 use with TW5.

 Instead, a similar ability is provided in TW5 by using a combination of 
 <$button> and <$reveal>
 (see https://tiddlywiki.com/#RevealWidget), but to create a 
 multi-level "tree view" as you
 have shown would be fairly complex and involve a lot of syntax.

 Fortunately, there is another approach that you can use in TW5 that is 
 likely to be much more
 amenable to your needs.  The "Table of Contents" (TOC) macros provide a 
 way to automatically
 generate several types of "tree views" (see 
 https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros)

 Based on the appearance of the bullets in your example, my initial 
 guess is that you might have created this list by hand, using syntax like 
 this:
 * 2018
 ** 2018.01
 *** 2018.01.05 ...
 *** 2018.01.06 ...
 *** 2018.01.08 ...
 *** 2018.01.12 ...
 ** 2018.02
 *** 2018.01.05 ...
 *** 2018.01.08 ...
 *** 2018.01.14 ...
 *** 2018.01.16 ...

 To convert this "bullet list" to use a TOC macro, start by creating 
 separate tiddlers for each of the levels above.
 Based on your posted example, you might already have done this.

 Thus, there would be tiddlers titled "2018", "2018.01", "2018.02", 
 etc., and of course, tiddlers titled
 "2018.01.05 ...", "2018.01.06 ...", etc.

 Next, to connect these tiddlers in a TOC "tree", you will add *tags* to 
 each of the tiddlers, so that
 the "month" tiddlers (e.g., "2018.01", "2018.02", etc.) would be tagged 
 with "2018", and the "daily"
 tiddlers (e.g., "2018.01.05...", "2018.01.06...", etc.) would be tagged 
 with the corresponding
 "month" tiddler name (e.g. "2018.01"), while "2018.02.05...", 
 2018.02.08...", etc. would be tagged
 with "2018.02"... and so on.

 Then, to show these tiddlers as a tree that you can expand/collapse, 
 you would use the following TOC macro:
 <>

 While the above might seem to be a lot of work, once it is set up, the 
 process for adding to the tree is
 relatively simple.  For example, to add another entry under the 
 "2018.02" branch, just view the "2018.02"
 tiddler and choose the "New Here" command from that tiddler's menu.  
 This will create a new tiddler
 that is automatically tagged with "2018.02" and will be listed in that 
 branch of the tree.

 You can also just create a new tiddler using the "+" command from the 
 sidebar and then add the desired tag
 by hand to place it wherever you want in the tree.

 Let me know how it goes...  good luck!

 -e

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

2020-08-22 Thread Keelan Cook

Yes, that makes sense. If I rename a sub-node, then it will also show up 
separate. If I rename the root, then they would all show up.

Do you happen to know of a plugin that allows for batch renaming in a 
sequence, in the event that I did want to change the root node? If not, the 
benefits of this search outweigh the cons, I believe.

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 3:08:18 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Keelan,
>
> Glad it seems useful. One thing to keep in mind is that for the search 
> results, the logic is now dependent on the name of the sub-node tiddler 
> starting with the name of the root-node. So if you rename the root, all the 
> sub-nodes will turn up as separate results in search.
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 12:13:59 AM UTC+2 keela...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I know not what magic you have worked here, but I like it! 
>>
>> No errors this time. This is a great improvement on the search. Having 
>> that second tab dedicated to streams allows both a regular search and the 
>> option to filter out the chaff in a stream and focus on the main tiddler. 
>> That's perfect. And, it's unobtrusive too. 
>>
>> In fact, it's already allowed me to locate some dangling tiddlers with no 
>> content that had somehow been removed from my streams. So, I was able to 
>> tidy up a bit. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 2:44:53 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Keelan,
>>>
>>> Apologies, I may not have been diligent enough with error handling.
>>>
>>> Try the following steps please:
>>> 1) try using the search at 
>>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2Fstreams-search
>>>  and 
>>> see if there is an error
>>>
>>> 2) If there isn't an error, try grabbing the updated plugin and try it 
>>> on your wiki.
>>>
>>> If either steps gives the same error, in your browser press Ctrl+Shift+I 
>>> to open the developer console. In the "Console" tab, if there is an error 
>>> message in red, click on it to expand and post a screenshot please.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 8:27:58 PM UTC+2, Keelan Cook wrote:

 Well, I may have done something wrong in installation, but it's kicking 
 an error back at me.

 The error comes as soon as I click into the search bar to type 
 something. I've attempted a refresh to no avail. When I disable the new 
 plugin and refresh, the error is gone. 

 [image: Screenshot 2020-08-21 at 2.25.16 PM.png]

 On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Keelan, install this and let me know if it gets us in the ballpark of 
> helpful search behaviour:
>
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2Fstreams-search
>
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Sweet.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 4:57 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> You'll find, I think, that other mark-up languages also lack simple
> indenting. Indenting goes beyond the original intent of mark-up languages.
> But I digress.
>
> This is a variation of Eric's solution, using the text-indent propery
> instead. Now every paragraph will start with an indent.
>
> @@text-indent:2em;
> This is some text
> that appears on several lines
> so we can demonstrate indentation
> how things can be wrapped around and then
>
> This is some text
> that appears on several lines
> so we can demonstrate indentation
> how things can be wrapped around and then
>
> @@
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but I don't see any indentation there. I take it there's not a
>> more practical method? Doing that over and over again for each paragraph is
>> simply not reasonable.
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:51:46 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
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> Oh, for the love of hockey.
>

Is that *Ice* Hockey or *Field* Hockey?  :)

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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

2020-08-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

You'll find, I think, that other mark-up languages also lack simple 
indenting. Indenting goes beyond the original intent of mark-up languages. 
But I digress.

This is a variation of Eric's solution, using the text-indent propery 
instead. Now every paragraph will start with an indent.

@@text-indent:2em;
This is some text
that appears on several lines
so we can demonstrate indentation
how things can be wrapped around and then

This is some text
that appears on several lines
so we can demonstrate indentation
how things can be wrapped around and then

@@





On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
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> Thanks, but I don't see any indentation there. I take it there's not a 
> more practical method? Doing that over and over again for each paragraph is 
> simply not reasonable.
>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Please excuse me while I go completely off track here.

"OH MYLANTA!", that's something a couple of clients would often say, and I 
find myself now reminiscing about some good old times.

I also rather like "For the love o' Pete!"  (The "o'" pronounced like the 
"o" in "love".)  I'm not sure who Pete is ...

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 5:06:45 PM UTC-3 5pcm1...@gmail.com wrote:

>   It's just an exclamation, like "OH MYLANTA!"
>
>   I don't think that tiddly wiki does indents for actual paragraphs. It 
> doesn't do them at all within hard line breaks. Bizarre. It will indent one 
> line, however. Shoving the entire paragraph to the right is not an indent.
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:53 PM Birthe C  wrote:
>
>> Take a look at http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ lots of goodies to be 
>> found and also indent.
>>
>> Out of curiosity what has football got to do with indent?
>>
>> Birthe
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Oh, for the love of hockey.

j/k,

Thanks again, Alcon.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 4:46 PM Eric Shulman  wrote:

> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps I'm not expressing myself clearly enough.
>>
>
> Indeed.  There is a difference between "paragraph indentation" and "block
> indentation".  In your OP, you said "a simple indent", so it was not clear
> which kind of indentation you meant.  My solution is for "block
> indentation".
>
> -e
>
> P.S.  There's also a difference between "American Football" (Football),
> "Australian Football" (Rugby), and "Football" everywhere else (which is
> called "Soccer" in the US).  :)
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:24:41 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
>
> Perhaps I'm not expressing myself clearly enough.
>

Indeed.  There is a difference between "paragraph indentation" and "block 
indentation".  In your OP, you said "a simple indent", so it was not clear 
which kind of indentation you meant.  My solution is for "block 
indentation".

-e

P.S.  There's also a difference between "American Football" (Football), 
"Australian Football" (Rugby), and "Football" everywhere else (which is 
called "Soccer" in the US).  :)

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[tw5] Re: "Preserving Information Context" ??? Help: I need a vocabulary lesson!

2020-08-22 Thread Mat

Keeping context? Context-keep(ing)?

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: "Preserving Information Context" ??? Help: I need a vocabulary lesson!

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:00:00 PM UTC-7, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>
> All of that rambling to ask:  this thing I like (preserving infomation 
> context), does anybody have any alternative expression(s) that might make 
> more sense, or (to not reinvent the wheel) an already existing expression?
>

Give my "History" toolbar button a try:
http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory

The TiddlyTools/History tiddler adds a toolbar button to the tiddler's 
ViewToolbar.  When clicked, it presents a drop-down panel that shows a list 
of all tiddlers that have been viewed during the current TiddlyWiki 
"session" (i.e., since you loaded opened the file in the browser).  The 
currently viewed tiddler is indicated by the text, "You are here".   The 
panel also provides a "delete history" button (trashcan) to clear the 
history list (except for the currently viewed tiddler and any 
DefaultTiddlers).  There is also a "show details" button that displays 
internal details about how the history list has been computed, which 
combines the contents of the $:/HistoryList, the $:/StoryList, and the 
DefaultTiddlers.

To install:
1) visit http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory
2) Drag the title ("history") to your open TW and import it

Similarly, for faster navigation, you can also install 
TiddlyTools/History/Previous and TiddlyTools/History/Next:
1) visit http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory%2FPrevious
2) Drag the title ("previous") to your open TW and import it
3) visit http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#TiddlyTools%2FHistory%2FNext
4) Drag the title ("next") to your open TW and import it

Note: You can adjust the placement of the buttons within the tiddler 
ViewToolbar:
1) Open TiddlyTools/History (or TiddlyTools/Previous or TiddlyTools/Next)
2) Click the "tag pill" for $:/tags/ViewToolbar
3) Use drag-and-drop to change the order of the ViewToolbar items

enjoy,
-e

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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Thank you. That's more like it. Still a bit cumbersome, but workable.
Thanks, again.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 4:26 PM Mat  wrote:

> I agree we ought have some simple wikitext for this.
> You can use
>
>  
>
> which will create a space four space characters wide. E.g use it like so:
>
>  Indented as intended.
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[tw5] Re: How do I indent?

2020-08-22 Thread Mat

I agree we ought have some simple wikitext for this.
You can use

 

which will create a space four space characters wide. E.g use it like so:

 Indented as intended.

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Thanks, but I don't see any indentation there. I take it there's not a more
practical method? Doing that over and over again for each paragraph is
simply not reasonable.

Again, I appreciate the effort, either way. Perhaps I'm not expressing
myself clearly enough.

The following is an example of what I mean by a paragraph/indentation.

 The beginning of this paragraph
>  is
> indented. Standard paragraph indentation is about five spaces
> or one-quarter to one-half of an inch, depending on which style guide
>  you
> follow. In online writing
> , if your
> software doesn't allow indentation, insert a line space to indicate a new
> paragraph.

 https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-an-indentation-1691157

Thanks, again.

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> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 12:36:45 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>   Just a simple indent, for the love of football! Seriously, why is
>> something so simple so hard to find?
>
>
> To indent, use CSS "margin-left" or "padding-left", like this:
> @@margin-left:1em;
> This is some text
> that appears on several lines
> so we can demonstrate indentation
> @@
> or
> @@padding-left:1em;
> This is some text
> that appears on several lines
> so we can demonstrate indentation
> @@
>
> However, the TW "@@" syntax does not "nest.
>
> Thus, if you want to indent content within an indent,
> you can use HTML syntax instead of "@@", like this:
>
> 
> This is some text
> that appears on several lines
> so we can demonstrate indentation
> 
> This is some MORE text
> that appears on several lines
> so we can demonstrate multi-level indentation
> 
> 
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> enjoy,
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[tw5] Re: How do I indent?

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 12:36:45 PM UTC-7, Moe Gibbs wrote:
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>   Just a simple indent, for the love of football! Seriously, why is 
> something so simple so hard to find? 


To indent, use CSS "margin-left" or "padding-left", like this:
@@margin-left:1em;
This is some text
that appears on several lines
so we can demonstrate indentation
@@
or
@@padding-left:1em;
This is some text
that appears on several lines
so we can demonstrate indentation
@@

However, the TW "@@" syntax does not "nest.

Thus, if you want to indent content within an indent,
you can use HTML syntax instead of "@@", like this:


This is some text
that appears on several lines
so we can demonstrate indentation

This is some MORE text
that appears on several lines
so we can demonstrate multi-level indentation



enjoy,
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Oh, thanks, regardless.

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:53 PM Birthe C  wrote:

> Take a look at http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ lots of goodies to be
> found and also indent.
>
> Out of curiosity what has football got to do with indent?
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Re: [tw5] Re: How do I indent?

  It's just an exclamation, like "OH MYLANTA!"

  I don't think that tiddly wiki does indents for actual paragraphs. It
doesn't do them at all within hard line breaks. Bizarre. It will indent one
line, however. Shoving the entire paragraph to the right is not an indent.

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[tw5] "Preserving Information Context" ??? Help: I need a vocabulary lesson!

Trucking along with my intertwingled
ADHD/IntertwingularityMapping/TiddlyWikiUsage project, I want my first
topic to be about "Preserving Information Context", but I'm not quite sure
I'm in love with that title.

One of my greatest annoyances is to be looking at information on a web page
(or a tiddler), wanting to see some details of some kind, which leads to
moving away from the web page (or tiddler) I was focused on, and my focus
now on a new page or tiddler.

Same thing when looking something up in a dictionary: I look up a word, and
the definition of that word has me looking up some other word, bouncing
around the pages in the dictionary. Ugh.

The "information context", or the view, or this watcha-ma-callit has
changed, and I'm now looking at something no longer within the focus I had.

That kind of annoyance of mine gets easily solved in TiddlyWiki with my
favorite solutions thus far: the DetailsWidget and/or modals.

All of that rambling to ask: this thing I like (preserving infomation
context), does anybody have any alternative expression(s) that might make
more sense, or (to not reinvent the wheel) an already existing expression?

Thanks in advance to all you tiddlywiki / hyperlink thinking / non-linear
thinking brains !

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[tw5] Re: How do I indent?

Take a look at http://skplugins.tiddlyspot.com/ lots of goodies to be found 
and also indent.

Out of curiosity what has football got to do with indent?

Birthe

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[tw5] How do I indent?

  Just a simple indent, for the love of football! Seriously, why is 
something so simple so hard to find? 

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[tw5] Re: [ Streams ] : feedback and issues

2020-08-22 Thread Saq Imtiaz

Keelan,

Glad it seems useful. One thing to keep in mind is that for the search 
results, the logic is now dependent on the name of the sub-node tiddler 
starting with the name of the root-node. So if you rename the root, all the 
sub-nodes will turn up as separate results in search.

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 12:13:59 AM UTC+2 keela...@gmail.com wrote:

> I know not what magic you have worked here, but I like it! 
>
> No errors this time. This is a great improvement on the search. Having 
> that second tab dedicated to streams allows both a regular search and the 
> option to filter out the chaff in a stream and focus on the main tiddler. 
> That's perfect. And, it's unobtrusive too. 
>
> In fact, it's already allowed me to locate some dangling tiddlers with no 
> content that had somehow been removed from my streams. So, I was able to 
> tidy up a bit. 
>
> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 2:44:53 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Keelan,
>>
>> Apologies, I may not have been diligent enough with error handling.
>>
>> Try the following steps please:
>> 1) try using the search at 
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2Fstreams-search
>>  and 
>> see if there is an error
>>
>> 2) If there isn't an error, try grabbing the updated plugin and try it on 
>> your wiki.
>>
>> If either steps gives the same error, in your browser press Ctrl+Shift+I 
>> to open the developer console. In the "Console" tab, if there is an error 
>> message in red, click on it to expand and post a screenshot please.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 8:27:58 PM UTC+2, Keelan Cook wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I may have done something wrong in installation, but it's kicking 
>>> an error back at me.
>>>
>>> The error comes as soon as I click into the search bar to type 
>>> something. I've attempted a refresh to no avail. When I disable the new 
>>> plugin and refresh, the error is gone. 
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot 2020-08-21 at 2.25.16 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 2:15:23 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Keelan, install this and let me know if it gets us in the ballpark of 
 helpful search behaviour:


 https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fsq%2Fstreams-search




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[tw5] Re: File in directory

2020-08-22 Thread amreus

Just throwing the Timimi browser extension in the ring since it also has 
the ability to launch scripts, although I have not experimented nor had a 
need for it. 

https://ibnishak.github.io/Timimi/#Launching%20scripts%20using%20timimi



On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 10:45:15 AM UTC-4, Man GuyDude wrote:
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>
> is it possible for tiddly-wiki to get a list of files in a directory i 
> know you can embed files on the local system but is there a way to get a 
> list of files in a folder or is there a way to reference local files in a 
> relative sense? 
>
> another alternative i could do would be if i could keep the list of files 
> in a text file that a separate program updates and then tiddly wiki parses 
> that info somehow so i can reference the files in the folders i don't know 
> how to parse the data into tiddler only how to embed the file i want the 
> actual data
>
> an answer to anyone of these would solve my problem
>

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[tw5] Re: An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD Slice'n Dice

Charlie,

You wrote: given lemons you would make lemonade. Well that takes some time 
too, because that will be quite an acidic mixture until you find some sugar 
to put into it.
You are on your way, working with what you have got - and you will get 
there.

I have a tendency to take words too literal at times - I think you may know 
that one too.  
It happened when you wrote about all the meetings and communication - but 
still you want a dialogue. I kind of stumbled over the word communication 
(in a one way street). Never mind that helps me laugh sometimes.

What are your plans for your site? 

Birthe



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[tw5] Re: An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD Slice'n Dice

Oh man, just when I think everything will be fine, and about to embark in a 
healing/healthy (and wildly interesting project) as part of ripping that 
band-aid quickly, I read your message and realize the pinball that is my 
stage of grief is still bouncing all over the place.

Thanks!  Without realizing it (I'm fiercely independent and not one to ask 
for help, other than from doctors and very close family), I guess I really 
needed a friendly message (that's a serious dose of good medicine.)  

Of course, my old sponge goes all over the place like a herd of cats and 
puppies: why is it I can get a compassionate pat on the back from somebody 
I don't know at all (well, other than via a few exchanges in a fine 
discussion group), yet am not getting that at all in a work environment and 
fine enough folk I want to have dialogue with, but don't want to have any 
dialogue with me at all.

I chalk it up to my naive view of people in a work setting.  Not upset 
about it.  Just don't quite understand it, so it takes up brain cycles: 
something that keeps tugging at my attention.  Hence a deep dive into this 
fun project, a good TiddlyWiki use case built as I keep digging deeper into 
the intertwingled rabbit hole.

*Thanks much, Tones.*

And all of this aside, please keep blowing my mind with all of them really 
meaty posts/comments on wildly interesting topics.  Everyone of them are 
like running into a polar plunge (totally immersed and fully engaged in 
it), and it is exciting every time.

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 3:52:13 AM UTC-3 TW Tones wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> Thanks for sharing, and best of luck with these challenges, although often 
> different, we all face challenges, with a big one time to time, but most 
> only make us stronger. 
>
> I think writing is a good idea, but even more so if you work to build a 
> larger resource, if not only for yourself. I am looking at writing my first 
> book, only considering it at the moment, but I too plan to make use of 
> tiddlywiki as a platform on which to build a knowledge network. 
>
> I too have faced retrenchment due to business changing, twice actually, 
> sad to hear for you it coincided with these other issues in your life. 
> There is no reason to thank your former employer, but it is an opportunity 
> for the new, and perhaps even better, it forces you out of your comfort 
> zone and opens so many new possibilities. This will all be your own effort 
> and you can take full responsibility for your successes, when they come.
>
> Please do remain connected and sharing with the community, for support and 
> input.
>
> Regards
> Tones.
>
>
> On Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:17:15 UTC+10, Charlie Veniot wrote:
>>
>> Blog entry:  An Intertwingularity Mapping Project with TiddlyWiki: ADHD 
>> Slice'n Dice 
>> 
>>
>> I went on sick leave back in late January.  Since being diagnosed with 
>> ADHD (attention deficiency) last May, I've been really eager to have a 
>> dialog at work about very small and simple changes that could help make me 
>> successful in my job ( a job I've been successfully since 1995, but was 
>> finding impossibly challenging over the last two years because of 
>> overwhelming increase in communications/meetings.)
>>
>> That turned into my job position being eliminated, me being demoted and 
>> put into a newly created job position.  Although I think it will all 
>> workout as being a good thing, it is still a pretty traumatizing surprise 
>> when I went into a return to work meeting thinking we'd be having a dialog 
>> about making my previous job work, and starting the meeting off with a 
>> "your position has been eliminated."
>>
>> All that said: don't cry for me Argentina!  I take lemons and make 
>> lemonade.  Work will be awesome once I get through all the stages of grief.
>>
>> To me, the greatest way to process things is to write.  So what a great 
>> time to tie a whole bunch of things in this old sponge of mine together.
>>
>> As I truck along, if anybody has any ideas/questions/comments/anything 
>> you want to lob my way related to any of this (TiddlyWiki setup/tweaks to 
>> organize content; ADHD resources/questions; "Intertwingularity Mapping"; 
>> anything at all!) , please gimme gimme gimme anytime !
>>
>> Cheers, best regards, and Happy Friday/Saturday !
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: File in directory

2020-08-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

You can't do this with a standalone wiki, because the browser won't give 
permission for that action. You could use a server based solution, in 
particular Bob , to launch a script 
that could send that information back to you.

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>
> is it possible for tiddly-wiki to get a list of files in a directory i 
> know you can embed files on the local system but is there a way to get a 
> list of files in a folder or is there a way to reference local files in a 
> relative sense? 
>
> another alternative i could do would be if i could keep the list of files 
> in a text file that a separate program updates and then tiddly wiki parses 
> that info somehow so i can reference the files in the folders i don't know 
> how to parse the data into tiddler only how to embed the file i want the 
> actual data
>
> an answer to anyone of these would solve my problem
>

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[tw5] Re: Google Groups Forum Changes

Mark S,

That sure looks like a very good idea. 
My groups continued in Facebook groups as soon as we got some young 
members. They insisted constantly and ended up with a group 1/10 of the 
original members, but a much younger profile. All the old members were 
welcome but did not want to join Facebook then, This year a lot of the 
young ones are leaving, strangely enough for the same reasons given.

Facebook and the use of mobile phones has changed a lot.

Birthe

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[tw5] Sync Value Tiddler Wiki

2020-08-22 Thread Man GuyDude


is there a way to auto sync certain values with tiddlywiki like for 
instance syncing the names of tiddlers to a text file i know you can export 
stuff butt i was wondering if this could be done automatically

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[tw5] File in directory

2020-08-22 Thread Man GuyDude


is it possible for tiddly-wiki to get a list of files in a directory i know 
you can embed files on the local system but is there a way to get a list of 
files in a folder or is there a way to reference local files in a relative 
sense? 

another alternative i could do would be if i could keep the list of files 
in a text file that a separate program updates and then tiddly wiki parses 
that info somehow so i can reference the files in the folders i don't know 
how to parse the data into tiddler only how to embed the file i want the 
actual data

an answer to anyone of these would solve my problem

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[tw5] Re: Google Groups Forum Changes

2020-08-22 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki



On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 1:12:45 AM UTC-7, Birthe C wrote:
>
> TW Tones,
>
> It kind of reminds me of the time, when yahoo groups changed...a couple of 
> years before disappearing completely. It got unusable. How I missed my old 
> hobby groups, 
>
>
>
Your groups didn't switch up to groups.io ? That's what the forum I 
moderate did, as did several others.

Yahoo shut down its groups because it wanted to save money. Google is 
changing groups because  who knows why? It can't be cheaper. Suits! 

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[tw5] Re: What is the best approach for renaming a field that is used by multiple tiddlers?

2020-08-22 Thread si

Thanks a lot to you both!

On Wednesday, 19 August 2020 at 23:59:47 UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Si,
>
> I think it fair to say for each occurrence of filedname1 you create 
> fieldname2 and populate it with the value of fieldname1 then delete 
> fieldname1
>
> <$action-setfield filename2={{!!fieldname1}}/>
>
> <$action-deletefield fieldname1/>
>
>
> The above can go in a list that locates tiddlers containing fieldname1 and 
> wrapped by a button to trigger the action(s) on each tiddler.
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
> On Thursday, 20 August 2020 03:45:59 UTC+10, si wrote:
>>
>> This has probably been asked before but I can't find any info.
>>
>> For example changing the field "original-field-name" to "new-field-name" 
>> in every tiddler, without changing any of the values.
>>
>> Thanks for your help!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Google Groups Forum Changes

2020-08-22 Thread TiddlyTweeter

Is SEARCH better on revised?

Search is awful on EXISTING GG.

That is a deal maker/breaker too.

Never forget our existing system ALSO sucks. On search especially.

TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Can this be toggled just like the feature in Notion?

2020-08-22 Thread justinehe...@gmail.com

Thank you for recommending this plugin! I'll save it for future purposes 
haha.

On Saturday, 22 August 2020 at 18:40:06 UTC+8 keela...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Streams plugin is also pretty handy for collapsible lists, as long as 
> you don't mind each node being a separate tiddler.
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 6:07:43 AM UTC-4 justinehe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank u for giving some resources! I'll use this :DD
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free. 
>> www.avast.com 
>> 
>>  
>> <#m_-6039637183770711903_m_-229444915624166306_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 17:16, Eric Shulman  wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 1:12:05 AM UTC-7, jin wrote:

 I believe its called sliders here in tw5. I wanted to toggle the 2018 
 link as shown above in my tiddler so I can expand the other tiddlers 
 inside 
 2018 or not 

>>>
>>> "sliders" is old terminology from the original TiddlyWiki Classic (TWC) 
>>> version,
>>> and "Nested Sliders" was a TWC plugin I created that could produce a 
>>> wide variety of 
>>> multi-level collapsible "outline-like" content (see 
>>> http://www.tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPluginInfo)
>>> However, the TWC "slider" and TiddlyTools NestedSlidersPlugin cannot be 
>>> use with TW5.
>>>
>>> Instead, a similar ability is provided in TW5 by using a combination of 
>>> <$button> and <$reveal>
>>> (see https://tiddlywiki.com/#RevealWidget), but to create a multi-level 
>>> "tree view" as you
>>> have shown would be fairly complex and involve a lot of syntax.
>>>
>>> Fortunately, there is another approach that you can use in TW5 that is 
>>> likely to be much more
>>> amenable to your needs.  The "Table of Contents" (TOC) macros provide a 
>>> way to automatically
>>> generate several types of "tree views" (see 
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros)
>>>
>>> Based on the appearance of the bullets in your example, my initial guess 
>>> is that you might have created this list by hand, using syntax like this:
>>> * 2018
>>> ** 2018.01
>>> *** 2018.01.05 ...
>>> *** 2018.01.06 ...
>>> *** 2018.01.08 ...
>>> *** 2018.01.12 ...
>>> ** 2018.02
>>> *** 2018.01.05 ...
>>> *** 2018.01.08 ...
>>> *** 2018.01.14 ...
>>> *** 2018.01.16 ...
>>>
>>> To convert this "bullet list" to use a TOC macro, start by creating 
>>> separate tiddlers for each of the levels above.
>>> Based on your posted example, you might already have done this.
>>>
>>> Thus, there would be tiddlers titled "2018", "2018.01", "2018.02", etc., 
>>> and of course, tiddlers titled
>>> "2018.01.05 ...", "2018.01.06 ...", etc.
>>>
>>> Next, to connect these tiddlers in a TOC "tree", you will add *tags* to 
>>> each of the tiddlers, so that
>>> the "month" tiddlers (e.g., "2018.01", "2018.02", etc.) would be tagged 
>>> with "2018", and the "daily"
>>> tiddlers (e.g., "2018.01.05...", "2018.01.06...", etc.) would be tagged 
>>> with the corresponding
>>> "month" tiddler name (e.g. "2018.01"), while "2018.02.05...", 
>>> 2018.02.08...", etc. would be tagged
>>> with "2018.02"... and so on.
>>>
>>> Then, to show these tiddlers as a tree that you can expand/collapse, you 
>>> would use the following TOC macro:
>>> <>
>>>
>>> While the above might seem to be a lot of work, once it is set up, the 
>>> process for adding to the tree is
>>> relatively simple.  For example, to add another entry under the 
>>> "2018.02" branch, just view the "2018.02"
>>> tiddler and choose the "New Here" command from that tiddler's menu.  
>>> This will create a new tiddler
>>> that is automatically tagged with "2018.02" and will be listed in that 
>>> branch of the tree.
>>>
>>> You can also just create a new tiddler using the "+" command from the 
>>> sidebar and then add the desired tag
>>> by hand to place it wherever you want in the tree.
>>>
>>> Let me know how it goes...  good luck!
>>>
>>> -e
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Can this be toggled just like the feature in Notion?

2020-08-22 Thread Keelan Cook

The Streams plugin is also pretty handy for collapsible lists, as long as 
you don't mind each node being a separate tiddler.

https://saqimtiaz.github.io/sq-tw/streams.html
On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 6:07:43 AM UTC-4 justinehe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank u for giving some resources! I'll use this :DD
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free. 
> www.avast.com 
> 
>  
> <#m_-229444915624166306_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Fri, 21 Aug 2020 at 17:16, Eric Shulman  wrote:
>
>> On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 1:12:05 AM UTC-7, jin wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe its called sliders here in tw5. I wanted to toggle the 2018 
>>> link as shown above in my tiddler so I can expand the other tiddlers inside 
>>> 2018 or not 
>>>
>>
>> "sliders" is old terminology from the original TiddlyWiki Classic (TWC) 
>> version,
>> and "Nested Sliders" was a TWC plugin I created that could produce a wide 
>> variety of 
>> multi-level collapsible "outline-like" content (see 
>> http://www.tiddlytools.com/#NestedSlidersPluginInfo)
>> However, the TWC "slider" and TiddlyTools NestedSlidersPlugin cannot be 
>> use with TW5.
>>
>> Instead, a similar ability is provided in TW5 by using a combination of 
>> <$button> and <$reveal>
>> (see https://tiddlywiki.com/#RevealWidget), but to create a multi-level 
>> "tree view" as you
>> have shown would be fairly complex and involve a lot of syntax.
>>
>> Fortunately, there is another approach that you can use in TW5 that is 
>> likely to be much more
>> amenable to your needs.  The "Table of Contents" (TOC) macros provide a 
>> way to automatically
>> generate several types of "tree views" (see 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Table-of-Contents%20Macros)
>>
>> Based on the appearance of the bullets in your example, my initial guess 
>> is that you might have created this list by hand, using syntax like this:
>> * 2018
>> ** 2018.01
>> *** 2018.01.05 ...
>> *** 2018.01.06 ...
>> *** 2018.01.08 ...
>> *** 2018.01.12 ...
>> ** 2018.02
>> *** 2018.01.05 ...
>> *** 2018.01.08 ...
>> *** 2018.01.14 ...
>> *** 2018.01.16 ...
>>
>> To convert this "bullet list" to use a TOC macro, start by creating 
>> separate tiddlers for each of the levels above.
>> Based on your posted example, you might already have done this.
>>
>> Thus, there would be tiddlers titled "2018", "2018.01", "2018.02", etc., 
>> and of course, tiddlers titled
>> "2018.01.05 ...", "2018.01.06 ...", etc.
>>
>> Next, to connect these tiddlers in a TOC "tree", you will add *tags* to 
>> each of the tiddlers, so that
>> the "month" tiddlers (e.g., "2018.01", "2018.02", etc.) would be tagged 
>> with "2018", and the "daily"
>> tiddlers (e.g., "2018.01.05...", "2018.01.06...", etc.) would be tagged 
>> with the corresponding
>> "month" tiddler name (e.g. "2018.01"), while "2018.02.05...", 
>> 2018.02.08...", etc. would be tagged
>> with "2018.02"... and so on.
>>
>> Then, to show these tiddlers as a tree that you can expand/collapse, you 
>> would use the following TOC macro:
>> <>
>>
>> While the above might seem to be a lot of work, once it is set up, the 
>> process for adding to the tree is
>> relatively simple.  For example, to add another entry under the "2018.02" 
>> branch, just view the "2018.02"
>> tiddler and choose the "New Here" command from that tiddler's menu.  This 
>> will create a new tiddler
>> that is automatically tagged with "2018.02" and will be listed in that 
>> branch of the tree.
>>
>> You can also just create a new tiddler using the "+" command from the 
>> sidebar and then add the desired tag
>> by hand to place it wherever you want in the tree.
>>
>> Let me know how it goes...  good luck!
>>
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: Effective ways to use Tiddlywiki?

2020-08-22 Thread TiddlyTweeter

I wish we could offer full showcases. They would really help folk like you 
hone your aims with TW. It is an obvious weakness of how TW collectively 
evolved that we tend to underplay showing finished works. There is no 
central place that shows the full range of what you can do.

Its coming slowly. With the growth of interest in TW recently I think that 
pushes it along a bit.

Tip: for now: just keep asking :-). The community here are, on the whole, 
very nice responders.

Best wishes
TT

On Monday, 3 August 2020 21:07:19 UTC+2, Logan C wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I've had TW for around 10 days now, and, despite my lack of experience 
> with open-source software, I feel like I have a good understanding of its 
> functionality and UI. 
>
> Right now, I am looking to use TW in a way that organizes almost every 
> aspect of my life – school, every-day tasks, thoughts, career plans/goals, 
> etc. Does anyone have any examples or tutorials that show an effective 
> system/methodology to manage all these things? The goal is to learn what 
> different people are doing so that, eventually, I'll have enough fluency to 
> tailor my own methodology for my specific needs.
>
> Much appreciated!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: How to sort this table primarily by count? (Code based on the Tag Manager)

2020-08-22 Thread teo...@gmail.com

Thanks, that should make the TagCloud a realistic option! I'm still 
primarily interested in the table (e.g., for scrolling on a phone) though.

> Try these subfilters

Unfortunately that did not restrict the count (to within the added 
category). It also caused the table to be no longer sorted by the count, 
nor alphabetically. So I don't really understand what it did. :)

> You might even be able to do "OR" combinations like this

(OR combinations would also be cool!)

Now I also noticed that the first solution (which I said works) doesn't 
actually seem to sort alphabetically those Tiddlers with equal count. (I 
recall thinking that it did, but looking more closely, they seem random to 
me apart from the count as the primary sort.)

Thanks for your patience despite my delay - I don't always have a wiki day 
:)
Teo

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 8:20:10 PM UTC+3 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 8:37:37 AM UTC-7, Teo Piitulainen wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, that solved it!
>>
>
> YAY!
>  
>
>> (The cloud view was actually quite unusable with some of my categories 
>> containing >100 entries and their counts ranging from 1 to triple digits 
>> :-) )
>>
>
>  In TiddlyTools/FilterGenerators/TagCloud, the tag-pill-styles() macro 
> includes this line:
> font-size:calc(0.5em + (0.2em * ($(count)$ / 5) ) );
>
> The first number (0.5em) is the smallest font size to use.  The second 
> number (0.2em) is the font size increment.  The third number (5) is the tag 
> count for each group.
>
> For the default values above:
> The smallest tags will use 0.5em font size,
> increasing to 0.7em if there are 5 or more tagged items,
> increasing to 0.9em if there are 10 or more tagged items,
> increasing to 1.1em if there are 15 or more tagged items,
> etc.
>
> If you have a wide range of tag counts, you can adjust the tag pill 
> scaling calculation so the font size of the most frequent tags doesn't get 
> too big.
> In particular, if you make the tag count larger (e.g. by changing "5" to 
> "25"), this will keep the scaling from increasing too much.
> You could also make the font size increment smaller (e.g. by changing 
> 0.2em to 0.1em).
> font-size:calc(0.5em + (0.1em * ($(count)$ / 25) ) );
>
> I was further wondering if the subfilter could be an even stricter filter, 
>> e.g. do the count only for "books", "papers", or an intersection like 
>> "English" + "books"?
>>
> This way, such tables could show the count distribution of any tag 
>> category (e.g. "topics") within any intersection of categories.
>> * Of course, clicking on the tag pill would still pop-up-list all the 
>> Tiddlers with that tag, even if the subfiltered count were more restricted.
>
>
> Try these subfilters (one at a time, of course!):
> \define sub() [tagging[]tag[books]count[]]
> \define sub() [tagging[]tag[papers]count[]]
> \define sub() [tagging[]tag[English]tag[books]count[]]
>
> You might even be able to do "OR" combinations like this:
> \define sub() [tagging[]tag[English]tag[books]] [tagging[]tag[French]tag[
> books]] +[count[]]
>
> Let me know how it goes...
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Google Groups Forum Changes

2020-08-22 Thread Ste


My face feature of the new Google groups..., they say it in such a positive 
way,,, is that you can't reply on mobile from the mobile view. You have to 
check the 'desktop site' option first. Brilliant. 
On Saturday, 22 August 2020 at 09:30:35 UTC+1 PMario wrote:

> On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 8:55:41 AM UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
> ...
>
>> Have you seen the message, at least on the online forum?, where I live, I 
>> tend not to subscribe to emails
>>
>>> The new Google Groups offers all your favourite features with a fresh 
>>> look and will replace classic Groups soon
>>
>>
>> I urge you to look and complain, where it does not at least provide 
>> equivalence. Google Groups is not perfect but many of us depend on it, so 
>> please do not wait until it is too late.
>>
>
> +1
>
> You are right. Everyone should look at the new UI. ,,, *If the new UI is 
> selected, you can switch back with the "Cog icon" Settings at the top of 
> the page. Click and select: "Return to Classic Google Groups"*
>
> *You will be presented with a dialogue, that asks for feedback*. ... 
> That's the possibility to give feedback about how bad the new UI is -- From 
> my point of view!
>
>
>- The "thread" lines use way too much vertical space, so I can't get 
>an overview
>   - With classic view I can see 33 lines
>   - With new I can see: 15
>   - Browser zoom is set to 130%
>
>
>- The Group Header / Intro element in the new UI is a "scrollable" 
>which hides important information for new users
>   - Users need to scroll down to see the important stuff
>- The new group header is always visible, which is useless, since it 
>doesn't show the important content, without scrolling
>- The new group header should show the whole greeting text and it 
>should go out of the way once the user starts to scroll down
>
>
>- In the left toolbar the "Favorite Lists" are _not_ sortable!
>   - So groups, that I only visit from time to time are at the top and
>   - The important groups are hard to reach 
>   - That's a big regression
>
>
>- The thread title should be the most visible element. 
>- With the new UI a user-icon / avatar is the number 1 column, 
>- That's completely useless since most users don't provide an avatar
>   - There is no use to see the blue default icon for 90% of the posts
>- No 2 column is a list of "posters"
>   - That's not important enough to be column 2
>   - The thread title needs to be column 1 or 2
>- There is no information about how many posts and how many views a 
>thread has .. 
>- This info is IMPORTANT
>
>
> You can copy paste this list if you think I'm right. ... You can remove 
> the lines, where you think I'm wrong.
>
> have fun!
> mario
>

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[tw5] Re: Google Groups Forum Changes

2020-08-22 Thread PMario

On Saturday, August 22, 2020 at 8:55:41 AM UTC+2, TW Tones wrote:
...

> Have you seen the message, at least on the online forum?, where I live, I 
> tend not to subscribe to emails
>
>> The new Google Groups offers all your favourite features with a fresh 
>> look and will replace classic Groups soon
>
>
> I urge you to look and complain, where it does not at least provide 
> equivalence. Google Groups is not perfect but many of us depend on it, so 
> please do not wait until it is too late.
>

+1

You are right. Everyone should look at the new UI. ,,, If the new UI is 
selected, you can switch back with the "Cog icon" Settings at the top of 
the page. Click and select: "Return to Classic Google Groups"

You will be presented with a dialogue, that asks for feedback. ... That's 
the possibility to give feedback about how bad the new UI is -- From my 
point of view!


   - The "thread" lines use way too much vertical space, so I can't get an 
   overview
  - With classic view I can see 33 lines
  - With new I can see: 15
  - Browser zoom is set to 130%
   

   - The Group Header / Intro element in the new UI is a "scrollable" which 
   hides important information for new users
  - Users need to scroll down to see the important stuff
   - The new group header is always visible, which is useless, since it 
   doesn't show the important content, without scrolling
   - The new group header should show the whole greeting text and it should 
   go out of the way once the user starts to scroll down


   - In the left toolbar the "Favorite Lists" are _not_ sortable!
  - So groups, that I only visit from time to time are at the top and
  - The important groups are hard to reach 
  - That's a big regression
   

   - The thread title should be the most visible element. 
   - With the new UI a user-icon / avatar is the number 1 column, 
   - That's completely useless since most users don't provide an avatar
  - There is no use to see the blue default icon for 90% of the posts
   - No 2 column is a list of "posters"
  - That's not important enough to be column 2
  - The thread title needs to be column 1 or 2
   - There is no information about how many posts and how many views a 
   thread has .. 
   - This info is IMPORTANT
   

You can copy paste this list if you think I'm right. ... You can remove the 
lines, where you think I'm wrong.

have fun!
mario

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