[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Atul Grover]

PS: 

1. A separate html-form edition would be great.
2. I wanted to use a simple  $:/plugins/tgrosinger/tw5-checklist 

 except 
the functionality would vanish in case all items from the list are deleted. 
3. I am presently using a combination of 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Todolist/ and ERIC's text-area (tiddler field) 
to help users store/save data.


On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 7:29:10 AM UTC+5:30 Atul Grover wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> In my case I want to allow the users to input and store data (in a 
> predefined structured way) without giving them the tiddler edit 
> functionality,
> So an HTML form which saves data either in the tiddler fields or in a data 
> tiddler (whichever is easier) was desired.
>
> I tried using JSON EDITOR, except (as a lay person) I found it difficult 
> to use. More ready to use schema for basic form types or Links to online 
> schema creation tool could have helped.
>
> I would love to see a separate section in TW5 dedicated to HTML FORM 
> functionality, with 2/3 ready to use/copy forms. 
> I my case even something as simple as a textarea tag (thanks Eric) has 
> sufficed (for now). 
> This is a basic functionality could be at par with the basic "Note-Taking" 
> or " Task-Management" and would propel faster adoption of TW5 by masses.
>
> Regards
> AG
> On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:09:03 AM UTC+5:30 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> TT,
>>
>> At least with the data dictionary format key:value you can parse the data 
>> tiddler and extract each row using [[datatiddler]get[text]spitregexp[\n]] 
>> and retain the order. There is a similar method for JSON to parse and 
>> extract titles only which I used to list the contents of the history 
>> tiddler - 
>>
>> Here is a partial snipit of listing the contents of the history tiddler, 
>> a json of tiddler titles, pasted in a tiddler tagged for the sidebar tabs 
>> you could call this a session history tab.
>>
>> \define title-string() "title": "
>> \define end-title() "
>> \define hasdrafts() {{{ [list[$:/StoryList]get[draft.of]] }}}
>>
>> <$list 
>> filter="[{$:/HistoryList}splitsplitbeforeremovesuffixreverse[]is[tiddler]limit[20]]">
>><$wikify name=hasdrafts text="""<>""">
>><$list filter="[all[current]] -[subfilter]">
>><>  <$link/>
>><>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> The buttons are not defined.
>>
>> Regards
>> Tones
>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 20:37:53 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>>> Small query; since this thread has *experts* involved :-)
>>>
>>> HOW  do I NOT SORT a data dictionary?
>>>
>>> I use dictionaries a lot for some tasks. I'd like to render the 
>>> following exactly in the order of the dictionary records. 
>>> But it all goes alpha on default.
>>>
>>>Bank - Fideuram : 
>>> https://www.fideuramonline.it/script/ServiceLogin/ib/login 
>>>Bank - Deutsche : https://lamiabanca.db.com/apigw/wb/login 
>>>Bank - NatWest : https://DUMMY.html 
>>>Bank - PayPal : https://www.paypal.com/it 
>>>Amazon - IT : https://www.amazon.it 
>>>Amazon - UK : https://www.amazon.co.uk 
>>>Amazon - USA : https://www.amazon.com 
>>>Amazon - DE : https://www.amazon.de 
>>>Amazon - FR : https://www.amazon.fr
>>>
>>> In render Amazon goes top, Bank after. That is NOT what I need!
>>>
>>> *   Q: Is there any way to present dictionary entries ordered 
>>> exactly as entered?*
>>>
>>> Just asking! Trying to understand this ...
>>> TT
>>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 12:13:18 UTC+2 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 *Thanks Eric,  *
 Worked like a charm. 
 What other tags (tag="textarea") can we use? 
 I will try using textbox/checkbox/date etc. 
 *AG*

 On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values 
>>> entered in the form, into a data tiddler? 
>>>
>>
> My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a 
> field in the *current* tiddler.
> However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save 
> the values "into a data tiddler"
>
> This is actually quite simple:
> <$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
> class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>
>
> Notes:
> * The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
> type="application/json" and will contain
> * any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
> * any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>


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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Atul Grover]

Dear All,

In my case I want to allow the users to input and store data (in a 
predefined structured way) without giving them the tiddler edit 
functionality,
So an HTML form which saves data either in the tiddler fields or in a data 
tiddler (whichever is easier) was desired.

I tried using JSON EDITOR, except (as a lay person) I found it difficult to 
use. More ready to use schema for basic form types or Links to online 
schema creation tool could have helped.

I would love to see a separate section in TW5 dedicated to HTML FORM 
functionality, with 2/3 ready to use/copy forms. 
I my case even something as simple as a textarea tag (thanks Eric) has 
sufficed (for now). 
This is a basic functionality could be at par with the basic "Note-Taking" 
or " Task-Management" and would propel faster adoption of TW5 by masses.

Regards
AG
On Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 5:09:03 AM UTC+5:30 TW Tones wrote:

> TT,
>
> At least with the data dictionary format key:value you can parse the data 
> tiddler and extract each row using [[datatiddler]get[text]spitregexp[\n]] 
> and retain the order. There is a similar method for JSON to parse and 
> extract titles only which I used to list the contents of the history 
> tiddler - 
>
> Here is a partial snipit of listing the contents of the history tiddler, a 
> json of tiddler titles, pasted in a tiddler tagged for the sidebar tabs you 
> could call this a session history tab.
>
> \define title-string() "title": "
> \define end-title() "
> \define hasdrafts() {{{ [list[$:/StoryList]get[draft.of]] }}}
>
> <$list 
> filter="[{$:/HistoryList}splitsplitbeforeremovesuffixreverse[]is[tiddler]limit[20]]">
><$wikify name=hasdrafts text="""<>""">
><$list filter="[all[current]] -[subfilter]">
><>  <$link/>
><>
>
>
> 
>
> The buttons are not defined.
>
> Regards
> Tones
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 20:37:53 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>> Small query; since this thread has *experts* involved :-)
>>
>> HOW  do I NOT SORT a data dictionary?
>>
>> I use dictionaries a lot for some tasks. I'd like to render the following 
>> exactly in the order of the dictionary records. 
>> But it all goes alpha on default.
>>
>>Bank - Fideuram : 
>> https://www.fideuramonline.it/script/ServiceLogin/ib/login 
>>Bank - Deutsche : https://lamiabanca.db.com/apigw/wb/login 
>>Bank - NatWest : https://DUMMY.html 
>>Bank - PayPal : https://www.paypal.com/it 
>>Amazon - IT : https://www.amazon.it 
>>Amazon - UK : https://www.amazon.co.uk 
>>Amazon - USA : https://www.amazon.com 
>>Amazon - DE : https://www.amazon.de 
>>Amazon - FR : https://www.amazon.fr
>>
>> In render Amazon goes top, Bank after. That is NOT what I need!
>>
>> *   Q: Is there any way to present dictionary entries ordered exactly 
>> as entered?*
>>
>> Just asking! Trying to understand this ...
>> TT
>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 12:13:18 UTC+2 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> *Thanks Eric,  *
>>> Worked like a charm. 
>>> What other tags (tag="textarea") can we use? 
>>> I will try using textbox/checkbox/date etc. 
>>> *AG*
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered 
>> in the form, into a data tiddler? 
>>
>
 My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a 
 field in the *current* tiddler.
 However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save the 
 values "into a data tiddler"

 This is actually quite simple:
 <$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
 class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>

 Notes:
 * The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
 type="application/json" and will contain
 * any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
 * any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"

 enjoy,
 -e

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Clear Form Fields After Submit

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much! Works like a charm now! Much much much appreciated!

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 9:00:23 PM UTC-4 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 5:20:24 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> ... by deleting the temp tiddler the form would be cleared... However, 
>> that functionality isn't occurring
>>
>
>> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>>
>> |  Label:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="label"/>|
>> |   From Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="fromtag"/>  |
>> | Target:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="target"/>   |
>> | Target Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="targettag"/>|
>>
>> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
>> <$button> <$view field="label">join tiddlers 
>><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
>> [tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
>><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
>> 
>> 
>>
>
> Let's suppose the containing tiddler is named "MyForm".  Then the value of 
> <>, as defined in the macro, will be *$:/temp/input/MyForm*.  
> However, once you use <$tiddler tiddler=<>> to surround the $button 
> code, the value of <> *within* the $button code will be 
> *$:/temp/input/$:temp/input/MyForm*, so the $action-deletetiddler refers 
> to the wrong tiddler title and does nothing.
>
> The solution is to move the <$tiddler tiddler=<>> so it only 
> affects the $action-setfield.  Here's a button definition that will work as 
> you intend:
>
> <$button> <$view tiddler=<> field="label">join tiddlers 
><$tiddler tiddler=<>>
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
> [tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
>
><$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />
> 
>
> Notes:
> * The $view widget uses both tiddler=... and field=... to show the 
> correct label text without being inside the <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> * The $action-setfield is still surrounded by the $tiddler widget, so that 
> the field references, {{!!target}}, {!!fromtag} and {{!!targettag}} still 
> get their values from the temp tiddler
> * However, the $action-deletetiddler is no longer within the $tiddler 
> widget, so the <> value referenced there uses the original 
> $(currentTiddler)$ value (i.e., "MyForm") to construct the correct temp 
> tiddler name
> * Also note that the parameter for $action-deletetiddler is $tiddler=... 
> not tiddler=...
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: Clear Form Fields After Submit

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 5:20:24 PM UTC-7 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> ... by deleting the temp tiddler the form would be cleared... However, 
> that functionality isn't occurring
>
> \define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$
>
> |  Label:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="label"/>|
> |   From Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="fromtag"/>  |
> | Target:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="target"/>   |
> | Target Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="targettag"/>|
>
> <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
> <$button> <$view field="label">join tiddlers 
><$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
> [tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
><$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />
> 
> 
>

Let's suppose the containing tiddler is named "MyForm".  Then the value of 
<>, as defined in the macro, will be *$:/temp/input/MyForm*.  
However, once you use <$tiddler tiddler=<>> to surround the $button 
code, the value of <> *within* the $button code will be 
*$:/temp/input/$:temp/input/MyForm*, so the $action-deletetiddler refers to 
the wrong tiddler title and does nothing.

The solution is to move the <$tiddler tiddler=<>> so it only affects 
the $action-setfield.  Here's a button definition that will work as you 
intend:

<$button> <$view tiddler=<> field="label">join tiddlers 
   <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
[tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
   
   <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />


Notes:
* The $view widget uses both tiddler=... and field=... to show the correct 
label text without being inside the <$tiddler tiddler=<>>
* The $action-setfield is still surrounded by the $tiddler widget, so that 
the field references, {{!!target}}, {!!fromtag} and {{!!targettag}} still 
get their values from the temp tiddler
* However, the $action-deletetiddler is no longer within the $tiddler 
widget, so the <> value referenced there uses the original 
$(currentTiddler)$ value (i.e., "MyForm") to construct the correct temp 
tiddler name
* Also note that the parameter for $action-deletetiddler is $tiddler=... 
not tiddler=...

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Clear Form Fields After Submit

[Darth Mole]

Hello,

Is there a command that can be included with a button to clear the form 
fields after the button has been hit?

In one of my previous threads 
 it 
was mentioned, at least how I took it, that by deleting the temp tiddler 
the form would be cleared. 

However, that functionality isn't occurring and instead a full refresh of 
the TiddlyWiki file needs to be done before the fields clear (just closing 
and reopening the Tiddler isn't enough either). 

Is there another action that is required to clear the fields without a 
refresh? Thanks!

Code in question:

\define temp() $:/temp/input/$(currentTiddler)$

|  Label:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="label"/>|
|   From Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="fromtag"/>  |
| Target:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="target"/>   |
| Target Tag:|<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="targettag"/>|

<$tiddler tiddler=<>>
<$button> <$view field="label">join tiddlers 
   <$action-setfield $tiddler={{!!target}} text={{{ 
[tag{!!fromtag}get[text]join[]] }}} tags={{!!targettag}} />
   <$action-deletetiddler tiddler=<> />






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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

[Patrick RB]

That's brilliant, thanks so much. It works, but (weirdly?) not if I have 
the date sorting, and not if the tiddler is put into the sidebar (the 
search field field doesn't get filled!) 

<$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
tag="input"/> 

search is {{!!search}}

*<>*


However, this is nearly there and I'm very grateful  ;-)
On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 16:34:25 UTC+1 clutterstack wrote:

> Or I should specify "you can *transclude* a text reference using curly 
> brackets" since this can be a bit messy to keep straight. 
>
> Docs: https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> Sorry if I'm misinterpreting. You can use a text reference in a filter 
>> with curly brackets.
>>
>> It looks as though you're using Mohammad's timeline macros. I went to 
>> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Timelines/ and made a new tiddler to test 
>> your example. Adding the following gave me a timeline:
>>
>> <>
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Chris
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:47:05 AM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Matybe I wasn't clear enough
>>>
>>> I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.
>>>
>>> \define thisList()
>>> <$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
>>> \end
>>> <$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
>>> TestVariable is <>
>>> This list is <>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
>>> tag="input"/> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"
>>>
>>> but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing 
>>> macro as a filter such as
>>>
>>> <> 
>>>
>>> or 
>>>
>>> <>> search:"$(search)$" date:"date">>
>>>  
>>> any ideas please?
>>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:
>>>
 It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using 
 timelines plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case 
 "snippet")

 <>>>
 To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a 
 text box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a custom 
 date field

 I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, but 
 cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, though the 
 date field works fine.

 can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 




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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[TW Tones]

TT,

At least with the data dictionary format key:value you can parse the data 
tiddler and extract each row using [[datatiddler]get[text]spitregexp[\n]] 
and retain the order. There is a similar method for JSON to parse and 
extract titles only which I used to list the contents of the history 
tiddler - 

Here is a partial snipit of listing the contents of the history tiddler, a 
json of tiddler titles, pasted in a tiddler tagged for the sidebar tabs you 
could call this a session history tab.

\define title-string() "title": "
\define end-title() "
\define hasdrafts() {{{ [list[$:/StoryList]get[draft.of]] }}}

<$list 
filter="[{$:/HistoryList}splitsplitbeforeremovesuffixreverse[]is[tiddler]limit[20]]">
   <$wikify name=hasdrafts text="""<>""">
   <$list filter="[all[current]] -[subfilter]">
   <>  <$link/>
   <>
   
   


The buttons are not defined.

Regards
Tones
On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 20:37:53 UTC+10 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Small query; since this thread has *experts* involved :-)
>
> HOW  do I NOT SORT a data dictionary?
>
> I use dictionaries a lot for some tasks. I'd like to render the following 
> exactly in the order of the dictionary records. 
> But it all goes alpha on default.
>
>Bank - Fideuram : 
> https://www.fideuramonline.it/script/ServiceLogin/ib/login 
>Bank - Deutsche : https://lamiabanca.db.com/apigw/wb/login 
>Bank - NatWest : https://DUMMY.html 
>Bank - PayPal : https://www.paypal.com/it 
>Amazon - IT : https://www.amazon.it 
>Amazon - UK : https://www.amazon.co.uk 
>Amazon - USA : https://www.amazon.com 
>Amazon - DE : https://www.amazon.de 
>Amazon - FR : https://www.amazon.fr
>
> In render Amazon goes top, Bank after. That is NOT what I need!
>
> *   Q: Is there any way to present dictionary entries ordered exactly 
> as entered?*
>
> Just asking! Trying to understand this ...
> TT
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 12:13:18 UTC+2 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> *Thanks Eric,  *
>> Worked like a charm. 
>> What other tags (tag="textarea") can we use? 
>> I will try using textbox/checkbox/date etc. 
>> *AG*
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:

> How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered 
> in the form, into a data tiddler? 
>

>>> My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a 
>>> field in the *current* tiddler.
>>> However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save the 
>>> values "into a data tiddler"
>>>
>>> This is actually quite simple:
>>> <$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
>>> class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>
>>>
>>> Notes:
>>> * The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
>>> type="application/json" and will contain
>>> * any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
>>> * any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"
>>>
>>> enjoy,
>>> -e
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Comment] We should do multi-lingo better. ¿Lo entiendes?

[PMario]

Hi,
TW is translated into 29 languages. ...Not all are up to date, but still -- 
I think that's not bad. 
-m

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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[TW Tones]

atulg,

Many, though not all of the other html input tags work with the edit-text 
widget. Date/time work but do not convert dates to the TiddlyWiki full 
date/time serial which is ideal, but you can use actions to reformat to 
this serial number. Number email etc... do restrict entry somewhat as 
desired.

Regards
Tones

On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 20:13:18 UTC+10 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Thanks Eric,  *
> Worked like a charm. 
> What other tags (tag="textarea") can we use? 
> I will try using textbox/checkbox/date etc. 
> *AG*
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered 
 in the form, into a data tiddler? 

>>>
>> My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a 
>> field in the *current* tiddler.
>> However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save the 
>> values "into a data tiddler"
>>
>> This is actually quite simple:
>> <$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
>> class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>
>>
>> Notes:
>> * The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
>> type="application/json" and will contain
>> * any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
>> * any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[TW Tones]

Saq,

Just a heads up that this should no longer be an issue as of TW 5.2.0 for 
> most use cases. The refresh handling is more specific and checks for 
> changes in the transcluded field before triggering a re-rendering. So 
> changes to field "myfield" of tiddler A, wont cause a refresh for any 
> transclusions of the "text" field (or any field other than "myfield") for 
> tiddler A.
>

This is awfully exciting and will make the use of forms and custom views of 
tiddlers much easier. This limitation has always felt like unnecessary 
complexity for users, not withstanding the technical reasons,  I hope this 
will inspire more solutions, however the truth is this constraint has taken 
me down some interesting paths. So it does demonstrate how constraints can 
cause innovation.

However it seems to me the ability to readily (as opposed to with 
difficulty) construct forms for the editing of tiddlers will unleash the 
possibilities and encourage more users. Once again I can see value in 
providing the tools through de facto standards will help, these include;

   - The way to implement modes eg view and edit - ie toggle a form to 
   accept input or simply display.
   - Using a field to indicate an "object type" so tiddlers can identify 
   the relevant form to present.
   - A suit of tools to populate a fields value from existing values, set 
   lists and other lookups, or add a new value when permitted.
   - Additional field definition and field-type handling tools.

Finally, a default form that allows editing of all existing fields from 
which the designer can rearrange and customise a form would be a good start.

Regards
Tones

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[tw5] Re: List tiddlers with title value in custom field

[paulgilbert2000]

Thanks , was not aware of this piece of info

Contains worked ,thanks again 

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 3:52:17 PM UTC+2 Si wrote:

> Hi Mohamed,
>
> >>> I am curious why does <$list filter="[tag]">   works 
> fine ,  and  <$list filter="[childof]">   doesnt ? 
>
> Because tag[] is a defined operator in TiddlyWiki, and childof[] isn't.
>
> TiddlyWiki treats any unrecognised filter operator as a suffix to the 
> field[] operator. So since childof[] is not an existing operator in 
> TiddlyWiki, it is interpreted as a shorthand for field:childof[].
>
> tag[] is an already existing filter operator, so is not interpreted in 
> this way.
>
> To answer your original question, you probably want the contains[] 
> operator: [contains:childof]
>
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 14:06:42 UTC+1 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Tones,
>>
>>  I am curious why does <$list filter="[tag]">   works 
>> fine ,  and  <$list filter="[childof]">   doesnt ?
>>
>> they are both fields , so why does one filter work and the other does not.
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:17:30 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mohamed,
>>>
>>> You are testing if the whole field value is equal to currentTiddler.
>>>
>>> Perhaps try the Search operator and name the childof field. Perhaps 
>>> child of is also parent. See TocP for some tools to help.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>>
>>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 11:07:47 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi ,

 I have a Customer filed called "childof"

 I am trying to list all tiddlers that has a value in this filed that 
 matches the title field

 <$list filter="[childof]">

 This filter is not returning any values , what am i doing wrong?

>>>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Artwork for v5.2.0

[springer]

TT, it did sot occur to me that the mask on the tv letters could look like 
an arrow. Below is a variant that shifts that effect: (at the expense of 
somewhat irregular letter-forms)...

-Springer

[image: dusk-field-alt.png],

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 10:51:07 AM UTC-4 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> springer wrote:
>
>> Since it's been a week, it may be worth seeing where things stand with 
>> graphic options:
>>
>> https://tw-logo-contest.tiddlyhost.com/
>>
>
> Small comment  on your gallery of 4 ...
>
> Best
> TT
>
>  [image: Screenshot 2021-06-21 164635.jpg]
>

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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Darth Mole]

Thank you very much!!

It is working, and I think it is working correctly. I don't see anything 
that shouldn't be created created, though if possible can someone please 
review the below code to make sure I'm not beating on a hornets nest? 
Thanks!

!Demographics
<$edit
  tiddler=<>
  tag="textarea"
  field="settlementdemographics"
  class="tc-edit-texteditor tc-edit-texteditor-body"
  placeholder={{$:/language/EditTemplate/Body/Placeholder}}
  tabindex={{$:/config/EditTabIndex}}
  focus={{{ [{$:/config/AutoFocus}match[text]then[true]] ~[[false]] }}}
  cancelPopups="yes"

><$list

  filter="[all[shadows+tiddlers]tag[$:/tags/EditorToolbar]!has[draft.of]]"

><$reveal

  type="nomatch"
  state=<>
  text="hide"
  class="tc-text-editor-toolbar-item-wrapper"

><$transclude

  tiddler="$:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/toolbar/button"
  mode="inline"

/>

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:10:34 PM UTC-4 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> To customize for your needs look at  $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor 
> tiddler to see how it transcludes the toolbar buttons.
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 8:09:43 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> {{|| $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor}}
>>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:51:04 PM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Annd I'm a complete and utter idiot!
>>>
>>> I said rich text editor and I didn't mean rich text editor >.< 
>>> Furthermore, after reading a different thread I realized that the 
>>> functionality I'm looking for isn't even a type of field, but rather the 
>>> buttons above the field.
>>>
>>> I've been trying to dissect the EditTemplate but can't seem to find the 
>>> right combination to get the formatting shortcut buttons to appear above 
>>> the textarea field. 
>>>
>>> If, instead of "rich text editor" like a moron, I ask "how do I include 
>>> the button shortcuts on a text area field inside of a tiddler?" does that 
>>> make things easier/more sense?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>>>
 Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you 
 suggested. Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body 
 field" where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have 
 multiple ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted 
 text from the beginning.

 Thanks!

 On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:

> iamdar,
>
> You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field 
> editor of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your 
> own 
> edit template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default 
> field 
> editor. 
>
> However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?
>
> Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
> some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.
>
> tones
>
> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:
>>
>> That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich 
>> text editor* input field?
>>
>> |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Saq Imtiaz]

To customize for your needs look at  $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor 
tiddler to see how it transcludes the toolbar buttons.

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 8:09:43 PM UTC+2 Saq Imtiaz wrote:

> {{|| $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor}}
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:51:04 PM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Annd I'm a complete and utter idiot!
>>
>> I said rich text editor and I didn't mean rich text editor >.< 
>> Furthermore, after reading a different thread I realized that the 
>> functionality I'm looking for isn't even a type of field, but rather the 
>> buttons above the field.
>>
>> I've been trying to dissect the EditTemplate but can't seem to find the 
>> right combination to get the formatting shortcut buttons to appear above 
>> the textarea field. 
>>
>> If, instead of "rich text editor" like a moron, I ask "how do I include 
>> the button shortcuts on a text area field inside of a tiddler?" does that 
>> make things easier/more sense?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you 
>>> suggested. Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body 
>>> field" where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have 
>>> multiple ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted 
>>> text from the beginning.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>>
 iamdar,

 You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field 
 editor of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your 
 own 
 edit template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default 
 field 
 editor. 

 However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?

 Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
 some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.

 tones

 On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:
>
> That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich 
> text editor* input field?
>
> |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |
>
> Thanks!
>


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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Saq Imtiaz]

{{|| $:/core/ui/EditTemplate/body/editor}}

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:51:04 PM UTC+2 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:

> Annd I'm a complete and utter idiot!
>
> I said rich text editor and I didn't mean rich text editor >.< 
> Furthermore, after reading a different thread I realized that the 
> functionality I'm looking for isn't even a type of field, but rather the 
> buttons above the field.
>
> I've been trying to dissect the EditTemplate but can't seem to find the 
> right combination to get the formatting shortcut buttons to appear above 
> the textarea field. 
>
> If, instead of "rich text editor" like a moron, I ask "how do I include 
> the button shortcuts on a text area field inside of a tiddler?" does that 
> make things easier/more sense?
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you 
>> suggested. Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body 
>> field" where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have 
>> multiple ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted 
>> text from the beginning.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> iamdar,
>>>
>>> You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field 
>>> editor of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your own 
>>> edit template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default field 
>>> editor. 
>>>
>>> However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?
>>>
>>> Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
>>> some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.
>>>
>>> tones
>>>
>>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello!

 I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:

 That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich text 
 editor* input field?

 |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |

 Thanks!

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Rich Text Editor Field

[Darth Mole]

Annd I'm a complete and utter idiot!

I said rich text editor and I didn't mean rich text editor >.< Furthermore, 
after reading a different thread I realized that the functionality I'm 
looking for isn't even a type of field, but rather the buttons above the 
field.

I've been trying to dissect the EditTemplate but can't seem to find the 
right combination to get the formatting shortcut buttons to appear above 
the textarea field. 

If, instead of "rich text editor" like a moron, I ask "how do I include the 
button shortcuts on a text area field inside of a tiddler?" does that make 
things easier/more sense?

Thank you!

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 10:24:31 PM UTC-4 Darth Mole wrote:

> Thank you very much for your reply! I'll take a look at what you 
> suggested. Basically I was trying to replicate the "edit tiddler text/body 
> field" where you write the main tiddler details. I was hoping to have 
> multiple ones of those in the form so that someone could submit formatted 
> text from the beginning.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 9:18:54 PM UTC-4 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> iamdar,
>>
>> You can create multi-line fields but if you edit them in the field editor 
>> of edit mode, they will loose the line breaks. You can make your own edit 
>> template, editor for such fields, and hide them from the default field 
>> editor. 
>>
>> However there is a leap to rich text editor. What do you mean?
>>
>> Search for WYSIWYG will be informative. I think the CKEditor (requires 
>> some local install) has a  WYSIWYG editor that saves in HTML.
>>
>> tones
>>
>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 12:47:35 UTC+10 iamdar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I just want to confirm what I think I found in my search, which is:
>>>
>>> That there isn't a way to display the below form field as a *rich text 
>>> editor* input field?
>>>
>>> |<$edit-text tiddler=<> field="test" tag=textarea rows=10 /> |
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

[clutterstack]

Or I should specify "you can *transclude* a text reference using curly 
brackets" since this can be a bit messy to keep straight. 

Docs: https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:28:33 AM UTC-4 clutterstack wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
>
> Sorry if I'm misinterpreting. You can use a text reference in a filter 
> with curly brackets.
>
> It looks as though you're using Mohammad's timeline macros. I went to 
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Timelines/ and made a new tiddler to test 
> your example. Adding the following gave me a timeline:
>
> <>
>
> Hope that helps,
> Chris
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:47:05 AM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Matybe I wasn't clear enough
>>
>> I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.
>>
>> \define thisList()
>> <$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
>> \end
>> <$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
>> TestVariable is <>
>> This list is <>
>> 
>> 
>>
>> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
>> tag="input"/> 
>> 
>>
>> this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"
>>
>> but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing 
>> macro as a filter such as
>>
>> <> 
>>
>> or 
>>
>> <> date:"date">>
>>  
>> any ideas please?
>> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:
>>
>>> It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using 
>>> timelines plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case 
>>> "snippet")
>>>
>>> <>>
>>> To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a 
>>> text box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a custom 
>>> date field
>>>
>>> I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, but 
>>> cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, though the 
>>> date field works fine.
>>>
>>> can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

[clutterstack]

Hi Patrick,

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting. You can use a text reference in a filter with 
curly brackets.

It looks as though you're using Mohammad's timeline macros. I went to 
https://kookma.github.io/TW-Timelines/ and made a new tiddler to test your 
example. Adding the following gave me a timeline:

<>

Hope that helps,
Chris
On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 7:47:05 AM UTC-4 prbru...@gmail.com wrote:

> Matybe I wasn't clear enough
>
> I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.
>
> \define thisList()
> <$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
> \end
> <$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
> TestVariable is <>
> This list is <>
> 
> 
>
> <$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
> tag="input"/> 
> 
>
> this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"
>
> but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing macro 
> as a filter such as
>
> <> 
>
> or 
>
> < date:"date">>
>  
> any ideas please?
> On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:
>
>> It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using 
>> timelines plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case 
>> "snippet")
>>
>> <>
>> To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a text 
>> box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a custom date 
>> field
>>
>> I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, but 
>> cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, though the 
>> date field works fine.
>>
>> can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: List tiddlers with title value in custom field

[Si]

Hi Mohamed,

>>> I am curious why does <$list filter="[tag]">   works 
fine ,  and  <$list filter="[childof]">   doesnt ? 

Because tag[] is a defined operator in TiddlyWiki, and childof[] isn't.

TiddlyWiki treats any unrecognised filter operator as a suffix to the 
field[] operator. So since childof[] is not an existing operator in 
TiddlyWiki, it is interpreted as a shorthand for field:childof[].

tag[] is an already existing filter operator, so is not interpreted in this 
way.

To answer your original question, you probably want the contains[] operator: 
[contains:childof]

On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 14:06:42 UTC+1 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Tones,
>
>  I am curious why does <$list filter="[tag]">   works fine 
> ,  and  <$list filter="[childof]">   doesnt ?
>
> they are both fields , so why does one filter work and the other does not.
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:17:30 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mohamed,
>>
>> You are testing if the whole field value is equal to currentTiddler.
>>
>> Perhaps try the Search operator and name the childof field. Perhaps child 
>> of is also parent. See TocP for some tools to help.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 11:07:47 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> I have a Customer filed called "childof"
>>>
>>> I am trying to list all tiddlers that has a value in this filed that 
>>> matches the title field
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[childof]">
>>>
>>> This filter is not returning any values , what am i doing wrong?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: List tiddlers with title value in custom field

[Si]

I think because they are different operators.

tag[] is its own operator, whereas childof[] is really a shorthand for 
field:childof[].

I think you want the contains[] operator:

<$list filter="[contains:childof]"> 

On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 14:06:42 UTC+1 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Tones,
>
>  I am curious why does <$list filter="[tag]">   works fine 
> ,  and  <$list filter="[childof]">   doesnt ?
>
> they are both fields , so why does one filter work and the other does not.
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:17:30 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mohamed,
>>
>> You are testing if the whole field value is equal to currentTiddler.
>>
>> Perhaps try the Search operator and name the childof field. Perhaps child 
>> of is also parent. See TocP for some tools to help.
>>
>> Tones
>>
>> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 11:07:47 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> I have a Customer filed called "childof"
>>>
>>> I am trying to list all tiddlers that has a value in this filed that 
>>> matches the title field
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[childof]">
>>>
>>> This filter is not returning any values , what am i doing wrong?
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: List tiddlers with title value in custom field

[paulgilbert2000]

Thanks Tones,

 I am curious why does <$list filter="[tag]">   works fine 
,  and  <$list filter="[childof]">   doesnt ?

they are both fields , so why does one filter work and the other does not.

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 4:17:30 AM UTC+2 TW Tones wrote:

> Mohamed,
>
> You are testing if the whole field value is equal to currentTiddler.
>
> Perhaps try the Search operator and name the childof field. Perhaps child 
> of is also parent. See TocP for some tools to help.
>
> Tones
>
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 11:07:47 UTC+10 mohamed...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> I have a Customer filed called "childof"
>>
>> I am trying to list all tiddlers that has a value in this filed that 
>> matches the title field
>>
>> <$list filter="[childof]">
>>
>> This filter is not returning any values , what am i doing wrong?
>>
>

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[tw5] [Comment] We should do multi-lingo better. ¿Lo entiendes?

[TiddlyTweeter]

ENGLISH (https://youtu.be/ssDtj1uL1Go)

ITALIANO (https://youtu.be/ssDtj1uL1Go?t=178)

SLOVENŠČINA ... Maturantski Ples (the Slovenian "graduation") is one of the 
most amazing things ... https://youtu.be/-Y8imFR94gk

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[tw5] [Comment] I'd like we were more multi-lingual ,,, ¿Lo entiendes?

[TiddlyTweeter]

ENGLISH (https://youtu.be/ssDtj1uL1Go)
  I wanna be your slave
 I wanna be your master
 I wanna make your heart beat
 Run like rollercoasters
 I wanna be a good boy
 I wanna be a gangster

ITALIANO (https://youtu.be/ssDtj1uL1Go?t=178)
 Loro non sanno di che parlo
 Voi siete sporchi, fra', di fango 
 Giallo di siga fra le dita
 Io con la siga camminando
 Scusami, ma ci credo tanto

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[tw5] Re: Using field value as macro input?

[Patrick RB]

Matybe I wasn't clear enough

I can get input into a field ("search") and assign it to a variable eg.

\define thisList()
<$list filter="[tag[$(TestVariable)$]]">
\end
<$set name=TestVariable value={{!!search}}>
TestVariable is <>
This list is <>



<$edit-text field="search" default="" placeholder="enter text to search" 
tag="input"/> 


this will list all tiddlers tagged with the value of the field "search"

but I can't work out how to use that search term in another existing macro 
as a filter such as

<> 

or 

<>
 
any ideas please?
On Friday, 18 June 2021 at 00:11:12 UTC+1 Patrick RB wrote:

> It look's like this is a common issue for newbies, but I'm using timelines 
> plugin to display tiddler filtered by tags (in this case "snippet")
>
> <
> To aid quick searches and avoid editing the tiddler I have created a text 
> box input to set a field to inject input into tag[.] and a custom date 
> field
>
> I can create, set and check the search field has the expected text, but 
> cannot get the timelines macro to accept the search field text, though the 
> date field works fine.
>
> can any of you real developers help? Thanks! 
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[Saq Imtiaz]

That plugin is by Jan. That version needs updating to work with the latest 
Streams. I know that he has an update in the works. I have never used it so 
I can't comment on how well it works.

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 12:47:48 PM UTC+2 ludwa6 wrote:

> Ok @Saq: will start another thread on this specific topic, soon as I get 
> back to my desk.
>
> Meanwhile: browsing related threads, i have come across this Streams to 
> Text plugin  ; can’t install on this mobile 
> instance i am running, but would like to know if anyone has experience to 
> share, and if it can accomplish something along the lines of what I’ve 
> described.   
> ?
>
> /walt 
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:21:51 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @walt 
>>
>> You’ve really gone the extra mile, Saq, to make this software 
>>> customizable. That FAQ should be held up as an example of best practice for 
>>> TW devs.  I am no developer myself, but these docs are so good, I feel 
>>> myself compelled to start hacking on this, soon as i get home to my 
>>> computer. :-)
>>
>>  
>> To be honest I feel the docs are still pretty slapdash, but I am trying 
>> to fill them out when I can and contributions to the docs are very welcome 
>> from all Streams users.
>>
>> Before i do tho, i guess i will do best to clarify the intention.  The 
>>> essential need- much as @Si has already described 
>>>  
>>> -is to convert a select (sub)set from one stream of “fleeting notes” to a 
>>> set of “evergreen notes” (i.e. appropriately named tiddlers), each one with 
>>> a backlink to the source tiddler that spawned those child tiddlers.  Then 
>>> that source tiddler could be flattened into one note with links to all its 
>>> children.
>>>
>>
>> The reason there is no in-built mechanism for flattening a stream is 
>> simply because I don't think there is a one size fits all export format. 
>> Depending on the content of your streams tiddlers, you may want anything 
>> from a simple concatenation to a hierarchical structure. It is important to 
>> remember that all the components of a stream are just tiddlers with their 
>> relationships maintained via fields. So you can manipulate them just as you 
>> would any other tiddlers.
>>
>> I think this is also an area where input from other Streams users would 
>> probably be helpful for you and it might be worth starting a new thread 
>> asking for input. Note that I don't actually use Streams myself apart from 
>> on the odd occasion and neither do I have much detailed feedback on user 
>> workflows, so it is difficult for me to provide guidance. Once you know  
>> how you want things set up, it is then easier for me to provide input on 
>> the implementation part if you run into difficulties.
>>
>> Some examples of exporting/flattening a stream are provided in the FAQ. 
>> Also some extra filter operators have been introduced to make it easier to 
>> work with the streams tiddlers. 
>>
>> See:
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/#Working%20with%20streams%20tiddlers
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[ludwa6]

Ok @Saq: will start another thread on this specific topic, soon as I get 
back to my desk.

Meanwhile: browsing related threads, i have come across this Streams to 
Text plugin  ; can’t install on this mobile 
instance i am running, but would like to know if anyone has experience to 
share, and if it can accomplish something along the lines of what I’ve 
described.   
?

/walt 
On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 11:21:51 AM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @walt 
>
> You’ve really gone the extra mile, Saq, to make this software 
>> customizable. That FAQ should be held up as an example of best practice for 
>> TW devs.  I am no developer myself, but these docs are so good, I feel 
>> myself compelled to start hacking on this, soon as i get home to my 
>> computer. :-)
>
>  
> To be honest I feel the docs are still pretty slapdash, but I am trying to 
> fill them out when I can and contributions to the docs are very welcome 
> from all Streams users.
>
> Before i do tho, i guess i will do best to clarify the intention.  The 
>> essential need- much as @Si has already described 
>>  
>> -is to convert a select (sub)set from one stream of “fleeting notes” to a 
>> set of “evergreen notes” (i.e. appropriately named tiddlers), each one with 
>> a backlink to the source tiddler that spawned those child tiddlers.  Then 
>> that source tiddler could be flattened into one note with links to all its 
>> children.
>>
>
> The reason there is no in-built mechanism for flattening a stream is 
> simply because I don't think there is a one size fits all export format. 
> Depending on the content of your streams tiddlers, you may want anything 
> from a simple concatenation to a hierarchical structure. It is important to 
> remember that all the components of a stream are just tiddlers with their 
> relationships maintained via fields. So you can manipulate them just as you 
> would any other tiddlers.
>
> I think this is also an area where input from other Streams users would 
> probably be helpful for you and it might be worth starting a new thread 
> asking for input. Note that I don't actually use Streams myself apart from 
> on the odd occasion and neither do I have much detailed feedback on user 
> workflows, so it is difficult for me to provide guidance. Once you know  
> how you want things set up, it is then easier for me to provide input on 
> the implementation part if you run into difficulties.
>
> Some examples of exporting/flattening a stream are provided in the FAQ. 
> Also some extra filter operators have been introduced to make it easier to 
> work with the streams tiddlers. 
>
> See:
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/#Working%20with%20streams%20tiddlers
>

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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[TiddlyTweeter]

Small query; since this thread has *experts* involved :-)

HOW  do I NOT SORT a data dictionary?

I use dictionaries a lot for some tasks. I'd like to render the following 
exactly in the order of the dictionary records. 
But it all goes alpha on default.

   Bank - Fideuram : 
https://www.fideuramonline.it/script/ServiceLogin/ib/login 
   Bank - Deutsche : https://lamiabanca.db.com/apigw/wb/login 
   Bank - NatWest : https://DUMMY.html 
   Bank - PayPal : https://www.paypal.com/it 
   Amazon - IT : https://www.amazon.it 
   Amazon - UK : https://www.amazon.co.uk 
   Amazon - USA : https://www.amazon.com 
   Amazon - DE : https://www.amazon.de 
   Amazon - FR : https://www.amazon.fr

In render Amazon goes top, Bank after. That is NOT what I need!

*   Q: Is there any way to present dictionary entries ordered exactly 
as entered?*

Just asking! Trying to understand this ...
TT
On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 12:13:18 UTC+2 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:

> *Thanks Eric,  *
> Worked like a charm. 
> What other tags (tag="textarea") can we use? 
> I will try using textbox/checkbox/date etc. 
> *AG*
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:
>
>> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered 
 in the form, into a data tiddler? 

>>>
>> My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a 
>> field in the *current* tiddler.
>> However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save the 
>> values "into a data tiddler"
>>
>> This is actually quite simple:
>> <$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
>> class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>
>>
>> Notes:
>> * The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
>> type="application/json" and will contain
>> * any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
>> * any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[Saq Imtiaz]

@walt 

You’ve really gone the extra mile, Saq, to make this software customizable. 
> That FAQ should be held up as an example of best practice for TW devs.  I 
> am no developer myself, but these docs are so good, I feel myself compelled 
> to start hacking on this, soon as i get home to my computer. :-)

 
To be honest I feel the docs are still pretty slapdash, but I am trying to 
fill them out when I can and contributions to the docs are very welcome 
from all Streams users.

Before i do tho, i guess i will do best to clarify the intention.  The 
> essential need- much as @Si has already described 
>  -is 
> to convert a select (sub)set from one stream of “fleeting notes” to a set 
> of “evergreen notes” (i.e. appropriately named tiddlers), each one with a 
> backlink to the source tiddler that spawned those child tiddlers.  Then 
> that source tiddler could be flattened into one note with links to all its 
> children.
>

The reason there is no in-built mechanism for flattening a stream is simply 
because I don't think there is a one size fits all export format. Depending 
on the content of your streams tiddlers, you may want anything from a 
simple concatenation to a hierarchical structure. It is important to 
remember that all the components of a stream are just tiddlers with their 
relationships maintained via fields. So you can manipulate them just as you 
would any other tiddlers.

I think this is also an area where input from other Streams users would 
probably be helpful for you and it might be worth starting a new thread 
asking for input. Note that I don't actually use Streams myself apart from 
on the odd occasion and neither do I have much detailed feedback on user 
workflows, so it is difficult for me to provide guidance. Once you know  
how you want things set up, it is then easier for me to provide input on 
the implementation part if you run into difficulties.

Some examples of exporting/flattening a stream are provided in the FAQ. 
Also some extra filter operators have been introduced to make it easier to 
work with the streams tiddlers. 

See:
https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/#Working%20with%20streams%20tiddlers

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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Atul Grover]

*Thanks Eric,  *
Worked like a charm. 
What other tags (tag="textarea") can we use? 
I will try using textbox/checkbox/date etc. 
*AG*

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:36:54 PM UTC+5:30 Eric Shulman wrote:

> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered in 
>>> the form, into a data tiddler? 
>>>
>>
> My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a field 
> in the *current* tiddler.
> However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save the 
> values "into a data tiddler"
>
> This is actually quite simple:
> <$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
> class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>
>
> Notes:
> * The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
> type="application/json" and will contain
> * any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
> * any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Saq Imtiaz]

> To store the input in a field, you will need to use the $edit-text widget, 
> like this:
> <$edit-text field="somefield" tag="textarea" class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>
>
> *Unfortunately, this won't work quite right. * The problem is that as you 
> type each character of input, the TWCore refresh handling will be triggered 
> for the current tiddler which will, in turn, cause the $edit-text widget to 
> be re-rendered and, as a side effect, the widget will lose the input 
> focus.  The result is that you can only type one character at a time, and 
> then you will have to click inside the textarea to restore the focus.  This 
> is, of course, completely impractical.
>

Just a heads up that this should no longer be an issue as of TW 5.2.0 for 
most use cases. The refresh handling is more specific and checks for 
changes in the transcluded field before triggering a re-rendering. So 
changes to field "myfield" of tiddler A, wont cause a refresh for any 
transclusions of the "text" field (or any field other than "myfield") for 
tiddler A.

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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Eric Shulman]

>
> On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered in 
>> the form, into a data tiddler? 
>>
>
My first reply was assuming that you wanted to save the input into a field 
in the *current* tiddler.
However, upon re-reading your question, I see that you want to save the 
values "into a data tiddler"

This is actually quite simple:
<$edit-text tiddler="sometiddler" index="someindex" tag="textarea" 
class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>

Notes:
* The target tiddler "sometiddler" will be saved with 
type="application/json" and will contain
* any newlines you enter will be automatically encoded as \n
* any quotes you enter will be automatically encoded as \"

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 1:19:40 AM UTC-7 atulg...@gmail.com wrote:

> How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered in 
> the form, into a data tiddler? 
>

To store the input in a field, you will need to use the $edit-text widget, 
like this:
<$edit-text field="somefield" tag="textarea" class="tc-edit-texteditor"/>

*Unfortunately, this won't work quite right. * The problem is that as you 
type each character of input, the TWCore refresh handling will be triggered 
for the current tiddler which will, in turn, cause the $edit-text widget to 
be re-rendered and, as a side effect, the widget will lose the input 
focus.  The result is that you can only type one character at a time, and 
then you will have to click inside the textarea to restore the focus.  This 
is, of course, completely impractical.

However, there is a way to work around this by using a temporary tiddler to 
hold the $edit-text input *while you type*, and then press a $button to 
copy that input into the desired field of the current tiddler.  Try 
something like this:
\define temp() $:/temp/$(currentTiddler)$/somefield

<$edit-text tiddler=<> tag="textarea" class="tc-edit-texteditor" 
default={{!!somefield}}/>
<$button> ok
   <$action-setfield somefield={{{ [get[text]else{!!somefield}] }}}/>
   <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />

<$button> cancel
   <$action-deletetiddler $tiddler=<> />


Notes:
* temp() defines a temporary tiddler that includes the name of the current 
tiddler and the name of the target field
* the $edit-text gets it's starting value from "somefield" of the current 
tiddler and then, as you type, it stores the changed value in the $:/temp 
tiddler
* the "ok" button then copies the value from the $:/temp tiddler back into 
"somefield" of the current tiddler
* note that, if you haven't actually changed the contents of the $edit-text 
field, the "ok" button simply copies the previously stored value from 
"somefield" (i.e., no change in value occurs)
* the "ok" button also deletes the $:/temp tiddler so the value in the 
$edit-text widget will now show the new "default" value from "somefield" of 
the current tiddler
* an optional "cancel" button deletes the $:/temp tiddler so the value 
shown in the $edit-text automatically reverts to the previously stored 
value from "somefield" of the current tiddler

enjoy,
-e 

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[tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[ludwa6]

You’ve really gone the extra mile, Saq, to make this software customizable. 
That FAQ should be held up as an example of best practice for TW devs.  I 
am no developer myself, but these docs are so good, I feel myself compelled 
to start hacking on this, soon as i get home to my computer. :-)

Before i do tho, i guess i will do best to clarify the intention.  The 
essential need- much as @Si has already described 
 -is 
to convert a select (sub)set from one stream of “fleeting notes” to a set 
of “evergreen notes” (i.e. appropriately named tiddlers), each one with a 
backlink to the source tiddler that spawned those child tiddlers.  Then 
that source tiddler could be flattened into one note with links to all its 
children.

How this might be best done, i don’t yet have working experience with 
Streams enough to say… But i am eager for any suggestions at this point!

/walt 

On Sunday, June 20, 2021 at 8:32:53 PM UTC+1 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> @walt I assumed you had already tried Streams. Give it a go on a device 
> with a proper keyboard and see what you think.
>
>  I’m a bit freaked out right now by the number of tiddlers under my Recent 
>> tab, 
>
>
> The FAQ has guidance on how to clean up the Recent tab and the same 
> technique can be used to things like search.
>
> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/#FAQs
>  
>
>> and wondering if this will quickly blow up the Backups folder in my 
>> TiddlyDesktop instance,
>
>
> I don't think it will make a significant difference here. You will 
> probably want a keyboard shortcut to save the wiki from time to time.
>

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[tw5] HTML like forms saving information in data tiddler

[Atul Grover]

Hi everyone,
How can I make an html form in a tiddler, and save the values entered in 
the form, into a data tiddler? 
AG

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[tw5] Re: Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection)

[ludwa6]

Wow: the deeper one dives into Streams, the cooler it gets!  Love your hack 
on subtiddler titles, @Tones; thanks for clueing me in to this.  

/walt 


On Monday, June 21, 2021 at 2:09:39 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> First, the malleability of tiddlywiki promises to provide a method for 
> whatever you dream to be implemented note taking, making or both 
> simultaneously. This includes using hierarchies,  networks and time 
> delimited lists amongst others where valid.
>
> Streams is the out of the box solution to the original thread for personal 
> use. The thing is it has being developed in a very hackable form, and you 
> can deploy it in unique ways with a little customisation. I currently 
> define the "sub tiddler titles" as $:/s/< XXX">> which hides the subtiddlers yet they can be readily renamed to 
> become visible tiddlers (rename inside the Streams interface). Streams 
> makes great use of the relink tiddlers plugin. 
>
> Some of you may recall the "google wave", which was a "multi-user streams" 
> in many ways. It allowed simultaneous edit of a stream of data, in some 
> ways it allowed comments "out of band" or to the side of the "core thread", 
> a feature I am keen to develop myself because I can annotate my own content 
> over multiple generations which sounds like "note making", post "note 
> taking". 
>
> I would not be surprised if on top of bob, a multiuser implementation of 
> streams could use the username to store the subtiddler and allow 
> collaborative streams built by multiple users, or the same user over time. 
>
> Regards
> Tones
>
> On Monday, 21 June 2021 at 05:32:53 UTC+10 Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
>> @walt I assumed you had already tried Streams. Give it a go on a device 
>> with a proper keyboard and see what you think.
>>
>>  I’m a bit freaked out right now by the number of tiddlers under my 
>>> Recent tab, 
>>
>>
>> The FAQ has guidance on how to clean up the Recent tab and the same 
>> technique can be used to things like search.
>>
>> https://saqimtiaz.github.io/streams/#FAQs
>>  
>>
>>> and wondering if this will quickly blow up the Backups folder in my 
>>> TiddlyDesktop instance,
>>
>>
>> I don't think it will make a significant difference here. You will 
>> probably want a keyboard shortcut to save the wiki from time to time.
>>
>

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[tw5] HTML form in tiddler

[Atul Grover]

Hi everyone,
Is it possible to make an html  textbox in a tiddler where the value 
entered is stored in a specific field in the same tiddler?
AG

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