[tw5] Re: Notes from the Coalface: Pasting URL's with pretty title

[The Islander]

Although the link text looks nice, hover over it and look at the URL. Yuck!

On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 6:12:40 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I just stumbled upon something helpful. You may know how to copy a 
> permalink to a tiddler, this results in URL, and using the to clipboard 
> option is help full. the only problem is the result is an ugly URL with 
> encoding.
>
> I discovered today however if you have Control Panel > Settings > Tiddler 
> Titles 
> 
>  set 
> to Display tiddler titles as links, there is a a better choice. Or where 
> every you see a link in a tiddler eg  Learning 
>  [[Learning  |
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Learning]] copt that with you mouse.
>
> If the titles are displayed as links highlight and copy the title with 
> your mouse. The result if pasted is well formatted link eg; Navigation 
> History 
> .
>  
> It is not helpful pasting into tiddlywiki,  I will raise an issue on this. 
> But it is helpful pasting links into email and forum posts. As I have done 
> here.
>
> Regards
> Tones
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: NoteTaking in Streams - hierarchy-preserving flattening in wikitext

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There might be a problem with the text splitter, or maybe relink or relink 
with the text splitter.  I was looking at my sample Streams file and found 
I couldn't see any of the notes I had made previously. But all the tiddlers 
were still in the TW. After some examination, I found that several Streams 
configuration tiddlers had swapped titles (or swapped contents, depending 
on your perspective) There were at least a half dozen such configuration 
tiddlers. So Maximum node width 
<#%24%3A%2Fconfig%2Fsq%2Fstreams%2Fnode-max-width>
 had \n\n in it and so forth. 

I don't see how that could have happened without code that actually changes 
things. So either relink got something messed up, or the text splitter 
moved titles around. None of the code I've added (my own search section) 
changes tiddler's names or contents. The only other code I've used is the 
command palette, which I've now disabled.

I know this isn't very helpful, but in case someone else encounters similar 
problems it may help narrow things down. 

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[tw5] Re: Dragable items in List Tab?

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 6:35:09 PM UTC-7 Eric Shulman wrote:

> This is actually quite easy to do, using the *list-links-draggable* macro
>

errata: my previous solution omitted the display of the "List/Empty" 
message when the list field is empty.

Here's a corrected version that includes the "List/Empty" message:
<$list filter="[list{!!title}limit[1]]" emptyMessage=<> 
variable="has_list_items">
   <$macrocall $name="list-links-draggable" type="span" subtype="div" 
itemTemplate="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/>


Note:
* The outer $list widget checks to see if the list field has at least 1 
item. If it doesn't, the fallback emptyMessage content is displayed.
* Using variable="has_list_items" preserves the currentTiddler context for 
use by the $macrocall contained within the $list widget.

-e

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[tw5] Re: Dragable items in List Tab?

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 5:55:52 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:

> The tabs are effectively a list of buttons anyway. It would perhaps be 
> easier to build your own tab macro with the extended features on each 
> button.
> Alternatively you could have a tab in which you list the tab titles with 
> the draggable macro in which you can drag and drop the order.
>

Amreus' request is to be able to drag "*items in the List tab"*, not to 
drag the tabs themselves.

This is actually very easy to do, using the *list-links-draggable* macro.  
See my solution posted separately

-e

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[tw5] Re: Dragable items in List Tab?

[Eric Shulman]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 3:31:17 AM UTC-7 amreus wrote:

> Is there some reason items in the List tab could not be made draggable for 
> re-ordering?
>

This is actually quite easy to do, using the *list-links-draggable* macro

1) Edit the shadow tiddler: *$:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/List*
2) Replace this line:
<$list filter="[list{!!title}]" emptyMessage=<> 
template="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/>
with this line:
<$macrocall $name="list-links-draggable" type="span" subtype="div" 
itemTemplate="$:/core/ui/ListItemTemplate"/>

That's it.  After doing the above, the contents of each tiddler's Info>List 
tab will now be draggable.

Note:
By default, the list-links-draggable macro displays its output as a bullet 
list.
By using type="span" and subtype="div", the bullets are suppressed
and the output is just a simple list of links, one per line.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw5] Re: Dragable items in List Tab?

[TW Tones]

amreus,

The tabs are effectively a list of buttons anyway. It would perhaps be 
easier to build your own tab macro with the extended features on each 
button.

Alternatively you could have a tab in which you list the tab titles with 
the draggable macro in which you can drag and drop the order.

I just discovered https://tiddlywiki.com/#list-tagged-draggable%20Macro

Eg;
<>

See attached on tiddlywiki.com

Regards
Tones


On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 20:31:17 UTC+10 amreus wrote:

>
> Good morning,
>
> Is there some reason items in the List tab could not be made draggable for 
> re-ordering? It seems like this would be a more accessible way to re-order 
> toolbars, as an example.
>
>
>   [image: 2021-08-05_062420.png]
>

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tab-order.json
Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[arun babu]

Hi Tones,

I tried the new windows button shared by you for opening a tiddler in edit 
and view modes in a separate window. Hope you can develop it further to 
open multiple tiddlers in a modal window in edit and view modes based on 
the searched keyword. Best wishes.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 6:59:59 PM UTC+5:30 arun babu wrote:

> Thanks Saq for the reply. I tried NValt and the workflow seemed nice. Your 
> notation editor gives a rapid overview of tiddlers based on the searched 
> keyword and allow simultaneously editing also. This can reduce unnecessary 
> time wastage and increase our productivity. My intention for posting the 
> video link was to introduce this workflow with notation editor to people 
> who haven't seen that video, especially the new users of tiddlywiki. Incase 
> someone with enough knowledge in wikitext gets inspired to create a similar 
> one, that would be a bonus.
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 3:27:58 PM UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Arun,
>>
>> While I use Notation every day, I haven't had the chance to update it for 
>> the current core version even for myself since the time of that video. So a 
>> public release is extremely unlikely. Furthermore I will not be posting a 
>> demo of the existing code. My experience with sharing public demos has been 
>> very disappointing in that there are always user who will ignore all 
>> warnings and disclaimers and try to use the code, run into issues and 
>> create support work for myself and/or the community that there is never a 
>> good way to resolve, and I personally feel this reflects poorly on 
>> TiddlyWiki as a whole. This is why all recent demos I have shared have been 
>> via videos even though I find that a suboptimal medium.
>>
>> I have spent whatever time I could spare since the time of that demo on 
>> slowly introducing to the TiddlyWiki core all of the custom (JavaScript) 
>> solutions that I had developed for Notation, as well as filters etc that 
>> make the implementation a lot easier than it was originally. 
>>
>> *As a result, today anyone experienced with wikitext coding can create a 
>> similar UX entirely in wikitext.*
>>
>> A while back before the 5.1.23 release I also posted a demo of a similar 
>> but simpler UX that used the keyboard-driven-input macro. It displayed the 
>> editor using my Floats prototype, but could just as easily be shown in a 
>> modal. That might be a starting point.
>>
>> I have to say that I still don't think that particular UX and workflow 
>> would be of interest to most TiddlyWiki users... I use it essentially like 
>> a text editor with very little usage of other TiddlyWiki features.
>>
>> If you just want to get an idea of what the user experience is like, it 
>> modelled after the free OSX application Notational Velocity,  which has a 
>> newer fork called NValt and a windows clone called ResophNotes. Perhaps 
>> give one of them a whirl and see if it even makes sense for your workflow.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Saq
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:09:28 PM UTC+2 arunn...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
>>> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
>>> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
>>> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
>>> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
>>> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
>>> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
>>> use as he had told here 
>>> . 
>>> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
>>> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
>>> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 
>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Macro editor for KaTeX plugin

['8d1h' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi,

Personally I'd prefer the KaTeX macro since I'm more used to them, and they 
can be reused if you ever want to copy them to a LaTeX file.

And with the new improvement, the macro defined are available globally so 
you don't need to worry if they are in the scope or not.

Also I mapped \bA-Z, \cA-Z, \fA-Z to \mathbf{A}, \mathcal{A}, \mathfrak{A} 
respectively, and many other operators, e.g. \Id to \operatorname{Id}, 
which is really convenient.

But based on usage, TW macro may also be very useful (e.g. you can create 
multiple equations, and even texts and other stuff, within a single TW 
macro.
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:29:24 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

> @8d1h
>
> Many thanks! I like this improvement!
> One question: how do you compare the KaTex macro with the TW macro?
> You may aware that you can call TW macro like below
>
> \define dd(a, b)  
> $$
>  \frac{$a$}{$b$}
> $$
> \end
>
>
> <>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:16 PM '8d1h' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I made a custom macro editor for the official KaTeX plugin, so one can 
>> create macros like \bZ -> \mathbf{Z} or \dd#1#2 -> \frac{d#1}{d#2} which 
>> are then available globally, without needing to edit the source code of the 
>> plugin. It can be found under the configuration tab of the plugin.
>>
>> Here is a screenshot and a demo html file if you want to try it. I hope 
>> it'd be useful for some :) Suggestions and comments are very welcome! I 
>> already submitted a pull request 
>>  on GitHub.
>> [image: katex.png]
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Macro editor for KaTeX plugin

['8d1h' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi,

Just for information, I manually updated my local KaTeX to the latest 
version (simply copy the files to the correct location) and everything 
seems to work nicely. 

On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 18:19:24 UTC+2 Mohammad wrote:

> @Mario,
>
>  Is it possible to update KaTex to 0.13.13! I am not sure if this PR is 
> affected by the update or not! but TW KaTex needs to be updated from 0.12 
> (Jul 2020) to 0.13.13 (Jun 2021)
>
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 8:26 PM PMario  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks, 
>>
>> I want to add, that this is _NOT PRODUCTION READY_ at the moment. The PR 
>> at github looks good, but there is still some discussion going on. 
>>
>> So it will be nice to get your feedback here or at github!
>>
>> -mario
>>
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[tw5] Re: The synergy of TiddlyWiki + { ??? }

[Charlie Veniot]

G'day g'day TT,

Yup, Zim installed in "Crostini" (i.e. the virtual machine, aka container, 
running Linux).

Although I prefer having Zim and TiddlyWiki open side-by-side to copy 
content from Zim to TiddlyWiki, I'm sure some skilled and enterprising 
person could create some fancy gizmo to sync a node.js version of 
TiddlyWiki with Zim.  Each page in Zim is saved as a text file with Zim's 
Wiki formatting.  Just a matter of said gizmo comparing individual Zim page 
files to individual TiddlyWiki tiddler (*.tid's just being text) files.  

Aside: gizmo would need to know how to convert Zim's wikitext to 
TiddlyWiki's wikitext.  (why I like the markup scenario, as a way for Zim 
and TiddlyWiki to talk a very similar language.)

I'm pretty sure "optimal" very much depends on individual preferences.  
Optimal for you could be the exact opposite for me.

Although there are some info/knowledge/content capturing circumstances in 
which I'd prefer Zim over TiddlyWiki, there are other circumstances in 
which I'd prefer Google Keep, or even just Google Mail or Calendar.  So 
whatever is the best tool for the job at the moment.

In scenarios in which I do want to quickly capture a lot of content that 
needs some wiki-esque good-enough organization and formatting, Zim would be 
my go to, for later serious work in TiddlyWiki, knowing that if needed, I 
can copy the markup formatting from Zim and it will work in TiddlyWiki 
(with markup plugin).

Other small and quick things might go in my Google Calendar (or Google 
whatever) with reminders to add to TiddlyWiki later.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want an import process (with prep or without) 
just hauling everything from Zim (or whatever) to TiddlyWiki.  Copy/paste 
from Zim to TiddlyWiki, one thing at a time, along with whatever 
decision-making and/or considerations each time would be more my cup of 
tea, manually fitting each thing in a wysiwyg (connecting all of the 
intertwingled TiddlyWiki things) type of process.

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 11:10:38 AM UTC-3 TiddlyTweeter wrote:

> Ciao cj.v...,
>
> *Very nice post. *Couple of things ... 
>
> First, questions ...
>
> *-- Am I right that you using Zim via Linux on Chromebook?*
> *-- I also wondered a bit about if we could create for  TW easier import 
> gizmos to de-Zim Markdown to full WikiText? (Just a thought!)*
>
> Second, comments on the AIM ...
>
> *-- I was kinda wondering what the optimal COMMON cross-browser and 
> cross-platform way might be nowadays?*
> *-- What I find INTERESTING is that, longer-term, we tend to gravitate to 
> what we (a) know reasonably well [i.e. produces least cock-ups on the 
> practicals]; and (b) the ENVIRONS of work matter [e.g. Chromebooks are 
> really neat in that getting the cat-to-fly either works or it doesn't. At 
> least you know where you are with it.]*
>
> *-- Just FYI I tend to write/copy-paste notes into any text file and then 
> process that for TW import prep using Powershell scripts with a lot of 
> Regex.*
> *This reflects my background as they about the only two things I'd say I'm 
> good at.*
>
> Signing off from the far side,
> TT x 
> On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 05:05:23 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> *A "Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection) 
>> " 
>> offshoot ...*
>>
>> I've been really thinking about it a lot lately: although TiddlyWiki is 
>> my goto tool for serious information/knowledge/content management, it isn't 
>> my preferred tool when I do want to quickly want to write something down 
>> for later TiddlyWiki-ing.
>>
>> So I was thinking, whatever tool(s) I prefer use in particular 
>> circumstance(s), I'd want some real synergy (?) between TiddlyWiki and the 
>> other tool(s): i.e. they compliment each other, and it is easy for me to 
>> copy content from one to the other, with TiddlyWiki being the central tool 
>> for that serious information/knowledge/content management.
>>
>> Although gmail, google calendar and google keep tend to be my goto tools 
>> for quick jotting things down, I've been looking into the business of 
>> quickly writing more elaborate content on my chromebook (my goto machine 
>> for digital whatever, since I don't have a tablet and hate using 
>> smartphones unless I really have to.)
>>
>> So after a lot of looking around (I still have some more experimenting to 
>> do), I think my star candidate is Zim Wiki for quick writing of things for 
>> later inclusion in a TiddlyWiki for some serious work.
>>
>>- To me, a wiki is not a wiki unless it can do transclusion, so a 
>>consider Zim Wiki "wiki-esque"
>>- So TiddlyWiki is the real workhorse because of transclusion and the 
>>muscle of filtering
>>
>> Early-going, I'm finding TiddlyWiki + Zim pretty sweet with "markdown" 
>> being the cross-copying glue between the two.
>>
>> Some notes about Zim: 
>>
>>- really fast *(because not all content is loaded up in memory 

Re: [tw5] Macro editor for KaTeX plugin

[Mohammad Rahmani]

@8d1h

Many thanks! I like this improvement!
One question: how do you compare the KaTex macro with the TW macro?
You may aware that you can call TW macro like below

\define dd(a, b)
$$
 \frac{$a$}{$b$}
$$
\end


<>



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 5:16 PM '8d1h' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I made a custom macro editor for the official KaTeX plugin, so one can
> create macros like \bZ -> \mathbf{Z} or \dd#1#2 -> \frac{d#1}{d#2} which
> are then available globally, without needing to edit the source code of the
> plugin. It can be found under the configuration tab of the plugin.
>
> Here is a screenshot and a demo html file if you want to try it. I hope
> it'd be useful for some :) Suggestions and comments are very welcome! I
> already submitted a pull request
>  on GitHub.
> [image: katex.png]
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Macro editor for KaTeX plugin

[Mohammad Rahmani]

@Mario,

 Is it possible to update KaTex to 0.13.13! I am not sure if this PR is
affected by the update or not! but TW KaTex needs to be updated from 0.12
(Jul 2020) to 0.13.13 (Jun 2021)



Best wishes
Mohammad


On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 8:26 PM PMario  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I want to add, that this is _NOT PRODUCTION READY_ at the moment. The PR
> at github looks good, but there is still some discussion going on.
>
> So it will be nice to get your feedback here or at github!
>
> -mario
>
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Re: [tw5] How do I store fields inside *.md files? As if it were a .tid file, without separating fields to the .meta file

[Jeremy Ruston]

We actually have a similar situation with .js files. As you know, they can 
contain front matter like this:

/*\
title: $:/core/modules/commands/build.js
type: application/javascript
module-type: command

Command to build a build target

\*/
(function(){

But one can also include a .meta file. Any fields specified there are processed 
before the front matter fields, so the values there take precedence.

We should therefore be able to follow the same approach with .md files

Best wishes

Jeremy


> On 5 Aug 2021, at 16:53, PMario  wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 2:56:28 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> ...
> I certainly would draw the line at integrating a full YAML parser, but 
> there’s no reason why we couldn’t parse a simple subset of YAML fields from 
> MD files. 
> 
> I do agree here. The only thing we would need to implement, would be to 
> search for the --- markers, strip them out and convert the rest using the TW 
> parser. ... 
> 
> There is still the problem with the default nodejs behaviour, that it splits  
>  type: text/markdown  files into 2 elements. We would need to change that 
> back to write a single .md file with the "front-matter" stuff at the top. 
> 
> So we will need to support 2 versions. The problem is that it seems they 
> didn't change the file extension. So we do have no real indicator if a file 
> contains front-matter content or not. ... 
> 
> -mario
> 
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[tw5] Re: Macro editor for KaTeX plugin

[PMario]

Hi folks, 

I want to add, that this is _NOT PRODUCTION READY_ at the moment. The PR at 
github looks good, but there is still some discussion going on. 

So it will be nice to get your feedback here or at github!

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Re: [tw5] How do I store fields inside *.md files? As if it were a .tid file, without separating fields to the .meta file

[PMario]

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 2:56:28 PM UTC+2 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
...

> I certainly would draw the line at integrating a full YAML parser, but 
> there’s no reason why we couldn’t parse a simple subset of YAML fields from 
> MD files. 
>

I do agree here. The only thing we would need to implement, would be to 
search for the --- markers, strip them out and convert the rest using the 
TW parser. ... 

There is still the problem with the default nodejs behaviour, that it 
splits   type: text/markdown  files into 2 elements. We would need to 
change that back to write a single .md file with the "front-matter" stuff 
at the top. 

So we will need to support 2 versions. The problem is that it seems they 
didn't change the file extension. So we do have no real indicator if a file 
contains front-matter content or not. ... 

-mario

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[tw5] Re: Table-of-Contents Macros

[S²]

Hi Mario,

I use 'Twilight ' color palette.

Stefan

PMario schrieb am Donnerstag, 5. August 2021 um 17:11:32 UTC+2:

> Hi, 
> Which theme and which palette do you use in the screenshot?
> -mario
>
> On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:27:46 PM UTC+2 S² wrote:
>
>> Hello forum,
>>
>> for the TOC I use the macro "toc-tabbed-internal-nav".
>> 1. Is it possible to sort the list?
>> 2. where are the colors defined for the selected tiddler (hover)?
>> [image: toc-tabbed.png]
>>
>> Thanks
>> Stefan
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: MS Teams / one drive

[Adam Stobbe]

Yea, Windows has made this (renaming extensions) a little harder over the
years... There is probably a better way to do it, but I use command line to
do it. So for instance, I usually save the empty.html to my desktop so
c:\users\stobot\desktop\empty.html

So, my steps are (replace stobot with your username):

   1. Open command prompt (type cmd after clicking windows start button)
   2. Navigate to where your file is via cd so cd c:\users\stobot\desktop
   3. Do the rename here so rename empty.html empty.aspx


On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 9:52 AM st...@sunypoly.edu 
wrote:

> Hi folks, this is a helpful thread .
>
> When I try  to rename my file "empty.html" to "empty.aspx" my onedrive
> renames it to "empty.aspx.html" which doesn't really help.
>
> I realize this is more Microsoft365 than TiddlyWiki . but having just
> been required to make the move from Google to M365, I'm trying to see if I
> can use onedrive / sharepoint to host/serve TW files. So far, no
> success :(
>
> Thanks,
>
> //steve.
>
>
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:33:57 AM UTC-4 tony wrote:
>
>> Tones is spot on with simply renaming the empty.html to empty.aspx
>>
>> It  just works, years on, Office 365 OneDrive complete with version
>> history and tw encryption.  Kind of magical!
>>
>> Best,
>> tony
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>>
>>> Mohamed,
>>>
>>> I have not tried teams/one drive, but I have used it in SharePoint so
>>> some of the techniques may help. Rename the single file wiki html to .aspx
>>> and use the check in and out facilities in SharePoint to ensure serial
>>> editing only. You can make it until checked in users see the previous
>>> version.
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Table-of-Contents Macros

[PMario]

Hi, 
Which theme and which palette do you use in the screenshot?
-mario

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 4:27:46 PM UTC+2 S² wrote:

> Hello forum,
>
> for the TOC I use the macro "toc-tabbed-internal-nav".
> 1. Is it possible to sort the list?
> 2. where are the colors defined for the selected tiddler (hover)?
> [image: toc-tabbed.png]
>
> Thanks
> Stefan
>

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[tw5] Table-of-Contents Macros

[S²]

Hello forum,

for the TOC I use the macro "toc-tabbed-internal-nav".
1. Is it possible to sort the list?
2. where are the colors defined for the selected tiddler (hover)?
[image: toc-tabbed.png]

Thanks
Stefan

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[tw5] Re: The synergy of TiddlyWiki + { ??? }

[TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao cj.v...,

*Very nice post. *Couple of things ... 

First, questions ...

*-- Am I right that you using Zim via Linux on Chromebook?*
*-- I also wondered a bit about if we could create for  TW easier import 
gizmos to de-Zim Markdown to full WikiText? (Just a thought!)*

Second, comments on the AIM ...

*-- I was kinda wondering what the optimal COMMON cross-browser and 
cross-platform way might be nowadays?*
*-- What I find INTERESTING is that, longer-term, we tend to gravitate to 
what we (a) know reasonably well [i.e. produces least cock-ups on the 
practicals]; and (b) the ENVIRONS of work matter [e.g. Chromebooks are 
really neat in that getting the cat-to-fly either works or it doesn't. At 
least you know where you are with it.]*

*-- Just FYI I tend to write/copy-paste notes into any text file and then 
process that for TW import prep using Powershell scripts with a lot of 
Regex.*
*This reflects my background as they about the only two things I'd say I'm 
good at.*

Signing off from the far side,
TT x 
On Thursday, 5 August 2021 at 05:05:23 UTC+2 cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> *A "Note Taking in 2021 (article & reflection) 
> " 
> offshoot ...*
>
> I've been really thinking about it a lot lately: although TiddlyWiki is my 
> goto tool for serious information/knowledge/content management, it isn't my 
> preferred tool when I do want to quickly want to write something down for 
> later TiddlyWiki-ing.
>
> So I was thinking, whatever tool(s) I prefer use in particular 
> circumstance(s), I'd want some real synergy (?) between TiddlyWiki and the 
> other tool(s): i.e. they compliment each other, and it is easy for me to 
> copy content from one to the other, with TiddlyWiki being the central tool 
> for that serious information/knowledge/content management.
>
> Although gmail, google calendar and google keep tend to be my goto tools 
> for quick jotting things down, I've been looking into the business of 
> quickly writing more elaborate content on my chromebook (my goto machine 
> for digital whatever, since I don't have a tablet and hate using 
> smartphones unless I really have to.)
>
> So after a lot of looking around (I still have some more experimenting to 
> do), I think my star candidate is Zim Wiki for quick writing of things for 
> later inclusion in a TiddlyWiki for some serious work.
>
>- To me, a wiki is not a wiki unless it can do transclusion, so a 
>consider Zim Wiki "wiki-esque"
>- So TiddlyWiki is the real workhorse because of transclusion and the 
>muscle of filtering
>
> Early-going, I'm finding TiddlyWiki + Zim pretty sweet with "markdown" 
> being the cross-copying glue between the two.
>
> Some notes about Zim: 
>
>- really fast *(because not all content is loaded up in memory all at 
>   once ?)*
>  - *every page saved in its own text file*
>   - wysiwyg is nice
>   - has some nice plugins
>  - Might be nice for some things, but I'm mostly focused on just 
>  content that fits "markdown"
>   - preference option: default format for copying text to the 
>   clipboard
>  - text, Wiki (Zim's wikitext), *Markdown*, RST
>   - has some nice plugins
>   - might be nice for some things, but I'm mostly focused on just 
>  content that fits "markdown"
>  
> To copy content from Zim to TiddlyWiki, I'm pretty sure "markdown" is the 
> key to happiness:
>
>- Zim's copy page text to clipboard in markdown format
>- the TiddlyWiki Markdown plugin 
>, so that 
>markdown text can be pasted into a "text/x-markdown" tiddler
>
> This is going to be one evolving story about "The synergy of TiddlyWiki + 
> { ??? }.  Maybe a video at some point.
>
> Do you have a TiddlyWiki "synergy" story to share?
>

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[tw5] Re: MS Teams / one drive

[st...@sunypoly.edu]

Hi folks, this is a helpful thread .

When I try  to rename my file "empty.html" to "empty.aspx" my onedrive 
renames it to "empty.aspx.html" which doesn't really help.

I realize this is more Microsoft365 than TiddlyWiki . but having just 
been required to make the move from Google to M365, I'm trying to see if I 
can use onedrive / sharepoint to host/serve TW files. So far, no 
success :(

Thanks,

//steve.
 

On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:33:57 AM UTC-4 tony wrote:

> Tones is spot on with simply renaming the empty.html to empty.aspx 
>
> It  just works, years on, Office 365 OneDrive complete with version 
> history and tw encryption.  Kind of magical!
>
> Best,
> tony 
>
>
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 4:37:28 PM UTC-7 TW Tones wrote:
>
>> Mohamed,
>>
>> I have not tried teams/one drive, but I have used it in SharePoint so 
>> some of the techniques may help. Rename the single file wiki html to .aspx 
>> and use the check in and out facilities in SharePoint to ensure serial 
>> editing only. You can make it until checked in users see the previous 
>> version. 
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[arun babu]

Thanks Saq for the reply. I tried NValt and the workflow seemed nice. Your 
notation editor gives a rapid overview of tiddlers based on the searched 
keyword and allow simultaneously editing also. This can reduce unnecessary 
time wastage and increase our productivity. My intention for posting the 
video link was to introduce this workflow with notation editor to people 
who haven't seen that video, especially the new users of tiddlywiki. Incase 
someone with enough knowledge in wikitext gets inspired to create a similar 
one, that would be a bonus.
On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 3:27:58 PM UTC+5:30 saq.i...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Arun,
>
> While I use Notation every day, I haven't had the chance to update it for 
> the current core version even for myself since the time of that video. So a 
> public release is extremely unlikely. Furthermore I will not be posting a 
> demo of the existing code. My experience with sharing public demos has been 
> very disappointing in that there are always user who will ignore all 
> warnings and disclaimers and try to use the code, run into issues and 
> create support work for myself and/or the community that there is never a 
> good way to resolve, and I personally feel this reflects poorly on 
> TiddlyWiki as a whole. This is why all recent demos I have shared have been 
> via videos even though I find that a suboptimal medium.
>
> I have spent whatever time I could spare since the time of that demo on 
> slowly introducing to the TiddlyWiki core all of the custom (JavaScript) 
> solutions that I had developed for Notation, as well as filters etc that 
> make the implementation a lot easier than it was originally. 
>
> *As a result, today anyone experienced with wikitext coding can create a 
> similar UX entirely in wikitext.*
>
> A while back before the 5.1.23 release I also posted a demo of a similar 
> but simpler UX that used the keyboard-driven-input macro. It displayed the 
> editor using my Floats prototype, but could just as easily be shown in a 
> modal. That might be a starting point.
>
> I have to say that I still don't think that particular UX and workflow 
> would be of interest to most TiddlyWiki users... I use it essentially like 
> a text editor with very little usage of other TiddlyWiki features.
>
> If you just want to get an idea of what the user experience is like, it 
> modelled after the free OSX application Notational Velocity,  which has a 
> newer fork called NValt and a windows clone called ResophNotes. Perhaps 
> give one of them a whirl and see if it even makes sense for your workflow.
>
> Cheers,
> Saq
> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:09:28 PM UTC+2 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
>> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
>> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
>> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
>> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
>> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
>> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
>> use as he had told here 
>> . 
>> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
>> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
>> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 
>
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Re: [tw5] How do I store fields inside *.md files? As if it were a .tid file, without separating fields to the .meta file

[Jeremy Ruston]

> Agreed. If we do add support for meta data in markdown files it would then be 
> prudent to consider the YAML frontmatter format which is becoming quite 
> commonplace:
> https://jekyllrb.com/docs/front-matter/ 
> https://gohugo.io/content-management/front-matter/
> 
> Now I better duck before Jeremy throws something at me for mentioning YAML

I certainly would draw the line at integrating a full YAML parser, but there’s 
no reason why we couldn’t parse a simple subset of YAML fields from MD files.

Best wishes

Jeremy 

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[tw5] Re: How do I store fields inside *.md files? As if it were a .tid file, without separating fields to the .meta file

[Saq Imtiaz]

 

> I'm not sure if we can and if we should provide this functionality. ... 
> Markdown editors expect a common format if they read .md files. Using TW 
> fields at the top is not standard for markdown.
>

Agreed. If we do add support for meta data in markdown files it would then 
be prudent to consider the YAML frontmatter format which is becoming quite 
commonplace:
https://jekyllrb.com/docs/front-matter/ 
https://gohugo.io/content-management/front-matter/

Now I better duck before Jeremy throws something at me for mentioning YAML.

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[tw5] Re: How do I store fields inside *.md files? As if it were a .tid file, without separating fields to the .meta file

[PMario]

Hi Shereda, 

I think we didn't have this usecase yet. ... As I understand it, you want 
to keep the .md file extension but use the TW .tid fields section and be 
able to load the .md files into TW as if they where .tid files. ... That's 
new!

I'm not sure if we can and if we should provide this functionality. ... 
Markdown editors expect a common format if they read .md files. Using TW 
fields at the top is not standard for markdown. 

What is your reasoning behind that? What makes it impossible for you to 
have a .md.meta file which contains the field info?

-mario

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[tw5] Re: personal help?

[PMario]

Hi,
As Tones wrote. Just use your own words to describe, what you want to 
achieve. ... It doesn't need to be TW wikitext or the like. IMO it's enough 
if you use: "If this  than that  should happen" .. Or 

show us some examples what you have and tell us what you want ... 

have fun!
Mario

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[tw5] Re: Dragable items in List Tab?

[PMario]

Hi,
Here's the issue: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/5939
-m

On Thursday, August 5, 2021 at 1:18:53 PM UTC+2 PMario wrote:

> Hi,
>
> >Is there some reason items in the List tab could not be made draggable 
> for re-ordering? 
>
> No. Nobody requested it yet ... 
>
> 
>
> I think it should be easy to change the $:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/List 
> tiddler to contain a <> macro. 
>
> ... BUT ... 
>
> There is a problem. The existing code uses an emptyMessage=< List/Empty>>  ... to display some info if no "list" tiddler is present or 
> the list is empty. 
>
> We will need to extend the <> macro with an 
> emptyMessage parameter, to create a backwards compatible function. 
>
> I'll create a github issue with your proposal. 
>
> -mario
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Dragable items in List Tab?

[PMario]

Hi,

>Is there some reason items in the List tab could not be made draggable for 
re-ordering? 

No. Nobody requested it yet ... 



I think it should be easy to change the $:/core/ui/TiddlerInfo/List tiddler 
to contain a <> macro. 

... BUT ... 

There is a problem. The existing code uses an emptyMessage=<>  ... to display some info if no "list" tiddler is present or 
the list is empty. 

We will need to extend the <> macro with an 
emptyMessage parameter, to create a backwards compatible function. 

I'll create a github issue with your proposal. 

-mario

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[tw5] Dragable items in List Tab?

[amreus]

Good morning,

Is there some reason items in the List tab could not be made draggable for 
re-ordering? It seems like this would be a more accessible way to re-order 
toolbars, as an example.


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[tw5] Re: personal help?

[R²]

(A huge collective thanks to all of you here by the way!! 95% of my 
problems get solved by browsing through the very helpful threads that have 
accumulated over the years.)

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[tw5] Re: personal help?

[R²]

The subreddit at https://www.reddit.com/r/TiddlyWiki5/ isn't half bad 
either but this group is indeed fabulous for tenderfoots like us.

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[tw5] Re: Notation editor

[Saq Imtiaz]

Hi Arun,

While I use Notation every day, I haven't had the chance to update it for 
the current core version even for myself since the time of that video. So a 
public release is extremely unlikely. Furthermore I will not be posting a 
demo of the existing code. My experience with sharing public demos has been 
very disappointing in that there are always user who will ignore all 
warnings and disclaimers and try to use the code, run into issues and 
create support work for myself and/or the community that there is never a 
good way to resolve, and I personally feel this reflects poorly on 
TiddlyWiki as a whole. This is why all recent demos I have shared have been 
via videos even though I find that a suboptimal medium.

I have spent whatever time I could spare since the time of that demo on 
slowly introducing to the TiddlyWiki core all of the custom (JavaScript) 
solutions that I had developed for Notation, as well as filters etc that 
make the implementation a lot easier than it was originally. 

*As a result, today anyone experienced with wikitext coding can create a 
similar UX entirely in wikitext.*

A while back before the 5.1.23 release I also posted a demo of a similar 
but simpler UX that used the keyboard-driven-input macro. It displayed the 
editor using my Floats prototype, but could just as easily be shown in a 
modal. That might be a starting point.

I have to say that I still don't think that particular UX and workflow 
would be of interest to most TiddlyWiki users... I use it essentially like 
a text editor with very little usage of other TiddlyWiki features.

If you just want to get an idea of what the user experience is like, it 
modelled after the free OSX application Notational Velocity,  which has a 
newer fork called NValt and a windows clone called ResophNotes. Perhaps 
give one of them a whirl and see if it even makes sense for your workflow.

Cheers,
Saq
On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 5:09:28 PM UTC+2 arunn...@gmail.com wrote:

> This is the link  to a 1yr old tiddlywiki 
> hangout video with Saq where he is showing his workflow using Notation 
> editor. I first saw this video one year back when I started using 
> tiddlywiki. I don't think I fully understood the implementation at that 
> point. Yesterday I thought of seeing it again. I haven't seen any other 
> similar implementation in tiddlywiki yet and I wish to use it in my wiki 
> also. But I know that Saq doesn't have enough time to release it for public 
> use as he had told here 
> . 
> May be someone else gets inspired by seeing this video and build a similar 
> plug in for tiddlywiki. Or may be one day Saq can release it at least as a 
> proof of concept, so that we can just experience what we see in that video. 

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[tw5] Re: How do I store fields inside *.md files? As if it were a .tid file, without separating fields to the .meta file

[Shareda]

Got it! 
But to do that you have to edit boot.js

After this lines

$tw.utils.registerFileType("text/vnd.tiddlywiki","utf8",".tid");

$tw.utils.registerFileType("application/x-tiddler","utf8",".tid");

Add this ones

$tw.utils.registerFileType("text/vnd.tiddlywiki","utf8",".md");

$tw.utils.registerFileType("application/x-tiddler","utf8",".md");
And change this lines 


$tw.utils.registerFileType("text/markdown","utf8",[".md",".markdown"],{deserializerType:"text/x-markdown"});

$tw.utils.registerFileType("text/x-markdown","utf8",[".md",".markdown"]);
to


$tw.utils.registerFileType("text/markdown","utf8",[".mdX",".markdown"],{deserializerType:"text/x-markdown"});

$tw.utils.registerFileType("text/x-markdown","utf8",[".mdX",".markdown"]);
среда, 4 августа 2021 г. в 17:14:22 UTC+6, Shareda: 

> Thank you for answering! I did so, but got unwanted .meta files
>
> среда, 4 августа 2021 г. в 17:10:51 UTC+6, saq.i...@gmail.com: 
>
>> Look at the section on "File System Extensions" at 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Customising%20Tiddler%20File%20Naming
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 12:53:46 PM UTC+2 Shareda wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello! I am setting up my workflow using TiddlyWiki 5.1.23 on Node.js. 
>>> I would like to store and edit all of my tiddlers within the *.md files 
>>> with all their fields.
>>>
>>> How can I switch off the generating of the separate *.meta files for MD 
>>> format and store the filds the same way as they are stored in .tid files ? 
>>>
>>> My own research is about to fail :^)
>>
>>

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