[tw5] Re: negative numbers in RevealWidget comparison not ... mathematically accurate?

[TW Tones]

My Guess is its only problem is with Negatives as charlie suggested;

1 lt 10: <$reveal type="lt" default=1 text=10>yes

So adding to the documentation "compares positive numbers only" is 
sufficient to correct it, until perhaps it is improved!

It should be quite easy to swap the negatives for positives to make it 
work, even if you need to convert them for display as negative numbers, and 
reverse the conditions eg lt for gt.

Tones

On Monday, 22 November 2021 at 13:45:58 UTC+11 andres@gmail.com wrote:

> I might be missing something, but given this demo here:
>
>   0 gt -5: <$reveal type="gt" default=0  text=-5>yes
> -1 gt -5: <$reveal type="gt" default=-1 text=-5>yes
> 
> -5 gt -1: <$reveal type="gt" default=-5 text=-1>yes
> 
>  0 lt -5: <$reveal type="lt" default=0  text=-5>yes
> 
> -5 lt  0: <$reveal type="lt" default=-5 text=0>yes
> 
> -1 lt -5: <$reveal type="lt" default=-1 text=-5>yes
> 
> -5 lt -1: <$reveal type="lt" default=-5 text=-1>yes 
>
> I get the following output:
>
>  0 gt -5: yes
> -1 gt -5: 
> -5 gt -1: yes  <-- -5 is less than -1, not greater
>  0 lt -5: 
> -5 lt  0: yes
> -1 lt -5: yes  <-- -1 is greater than -5, not less
> -5 lt -1: 
>
> Is this a known issue?
>
>

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[tw5] Portal Prototype: added Change Request and Bug Report forms

[Charlie Veniot]

For lack of interest, going forward, I'm not sure it makes much sense me 
reporting updates on this little prototyping project of mine.

If anybody is interested in keeping track of updates, let me know 
where/how/when would be useful to you.

*Latest Updates*

I'm not a fan of Github as a way to do/get anything for a user of software.

Although a post in TiddlyTalk or TiddlyWiki Google Group is an easy way to 
go, I think it is nice to have a nice and simple form that can be filled 
out and submitted.

For demonstration/prototyping purposes, I created some Google Forms that 
feed into a Google Sheet.  In an ideal world, the Form would feed Github 
directly, but having submissions go somewhere that allows notifications (to 
relevant folk) is a pretty cool second-place option.

Embedded in the portal:

   - Change Requests Form 
   

   - Bug Reports Form 
   

   - Current Change Requests and Bug Reports 
   

   - so folk can see what's on the radar
   
Comments / feedback / suggestions always welcome.

Look & Feel stuff tucked aside for later.  All about content and content 
organization right now.


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[tw5] Re: TW 5.2.0 + CouchDB ?

[Charlie Veniot]

That would be very cool.

*Comments*

Other than technical coolness, what would be the advantage of it?  From 
just a user perspective (i.e. forget technical stuff) what reason would I 
have to want that?

You're talking technological "wowness", but bring it back to "in the 
trenches" "daily usage" terms for a typical user: why should he/she care?

To investigate how people use TiddlyWiki, what choices they make, and why,  
you will get more responses over at TiddlyTalk.  It has become the 
fan-favourite.

Me, I much prefer Google Groups, so I am very happy to reply here:

*My use cases*

*Personal TiddlyWiki*

I store all of my personal TiddlyWiki instances on Google Drive.  
TiddlyWiki aside, if I have no access to the internet, any computer is 
useless to me.

However, since I have offline access to my files on Google Drive, my 
Chromebook isn't quite the brick folk would think it is ...

Most important to me is to have access to all of my things in Google Drive 
from any connected device anywhere.

Having my TiddlyWiki instances tied to databases of a web browser on some 
machine?  Nope, not for me.  Unless whatever you come up with has auto-syn 
with the cloud, I won't be using it.

A big draw to single-file TiddlyWiki: 10 years from now, however long a 
TiddlyWiki has gathered dust, I can open it and everything will be right 
thre.

*Multi-User TiddlyWik*

In this case, TiddlyWiki instances I've setup in virtual machines using 
cloud services.

So that I can take advantage of all the goodness that is nodejs 
TiddlyWiki.  All of them tiddlers sitting in individual text files, right 
where I want them.

Although what you describe would be, I think, of no interest to me here, 
the ability to have these TiddlyWiki instances able to access databases on 
these servers, so that the TiddlyWiki instances could have access to data 
coming from other systems?  That would get my attention.

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 6:26:58 AM UTC-4 V wrote:

> Hi. 
>
> I have been following the TW project for years and I am still very 
> surprised that the community continues to actively support super strange, 
> inconvenient and limited ways of saving and synchronizing – but at the same 
> time all developments using normal technologies on which synchronization 
> could be easy, seamless and safe, such as CouchDB, are not supported in 
> official release and abandoned by community.
>
> Especially considering the new data storage format in JSON, with which 
> synchronization with object databases has never been easier. It's even 
> easier than maintaining the current server solution on files, which in 
> principle cannot work offline, unlike a solution based on 
> IndexedDB+PouchDB→CouchDB or IndexedDB→Mongo/Posrgres.
>
> I have used PouchDB adapter from NoteSelf, but it's outdated and contains 
> a lot of bugs. Other solutions were outdated even earlier.
>
> If IndexedDB/CouchDB solution were supported out of the box, there would 
> be no reason at all to use paid solutions like Evernote or Notion for 
> personal notes.
>
> Based on discussions & repo, it seems that no movement in this direction 
> is planned.
>
> I have only one question – why? 
> Is it really more convenient for everyone to save files in Dropbox using 
> crutches, constantly losing changes between devices and merging conflicts? 
>
> Are these some kind of ideological reasons?
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.2.0 + CouchDB ?

[Jan]

Hi V,
this is a very important topic... 
I also would like to have the browser storage plugin play a more important 
role, because for some first-time users it is a deception that their 
changes are not saved when they return - couchDB could heal this. 
One setback for noteself was that the service proposed there - cloudant - 
was bought by ...IBM? and it became more complicated to obtain it. 

Another problem is that browser storage is great for personal notetaking 
but not if your wiki is meant for others (like students and so on).
If you are working on various machines and basically saving to a server, it 
can have unwanted side effects like Zombi-Tiddlers reappearing after they 
have been deleted and then saved are back by accident.
So I never really used browser storage, and so I cannot say whether the 
idea is weird:

I would like to have a sort of browser storage-on-demand, where you are 
either asked whether you want to recover from the  browser storage in the 
beginning if there is saved content that is not in the server-version. 

Best wishes Jan

P.S. It would be great to continue this discussion on 
https://talk.tiddlywiki.org/ It took me some time to find out why I could 
not reply in the there. 




mcdermott...@gmail.com schrieb am Montag, 22. November 2021 um 17:26:29 
UTC+1:

> I can't speak for everyone, only myself. When I picked TiddlyWiki several 
> years ago, I imposed the following constraints on myself (brief reason in 
> square brackets):
>
> * Lightweight text markup that included hyperlinking [these are among the 
> things that separate the solution from text-only]
> * Searchable
> * Open source [the content I generate for myself is too important to me 
> for it to go dark if a startup shutters]
> * Offline-first [travel or an internet outage shouldn't completely 
> separate me from my "second brain"]
>
> The first two are basic notetaking sorts of things, but the other two are 
> why I use the default file saver with TiddlyDesktop. A single file + 
> synchronization happens to be among the easier ways (to me) of 
> accomplishing offline first. Everything is a trade-off.
>
> I will say that document databases are a dime a dozen. Plain text and HTML 
> are probably the two most stable interfaces in technology today. I (and, I 
> suspect, a great deal of TiddlyWiki's user base) value that sort of 
> stability.
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 4:26:58 AM UTC-6 V wrote:
>
>> Hi. 
>>
>> I have been following the TW project for years and I am still very 
>> surprised that the community continues to actively support super strange, 
>> inconvenient and limited ways of saving and synchronizing – but at the same 
>> time all developments using normal technologies on which synchronization 
>> could be easy, seamless and safe, such as CouchDB, are not supported in 
>> official release and abandoned by community.
>>
>> Especially considering the new data storage format in JSON, with which 
>> synchronization with object databases has never been easier. It's even 
>> easier than maintaining the current server solution on files, which in 
>> principle cannot work offline, unlike a solution based on 
>> IndexedDB+PouchDB→CouchDB or IndexedDB→Mongo/Posrgres.
>>
>> I have used PouchDB adapter from NoteSelf, but it's outdated and contains 
>> a lot of bugs. Other solutions were outdated even earlier.
>>
>> If IndexedDB/CouchDB solution were supported out of the box, there would 
>> be no reason at all to use paid solutions like Evernote or Notion for 
>> personal notes.
>>
>> Based on discussions & repo, it seems that no movement in this direction 
>> is planned.
>>
>> I have only one question – why? 
>> Is it really more convenient for everyone to save files in Dropbox using 
>> crutches, constantly losing changes between devices and merging conflicts? 
>>
>> Are these some kind of ideological reasons?
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [Theme] Zacht - A clean and soft theme for TiddlyWiki

[Eric Shulman]

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 8:32:04 AM UTC-8 ale...@gmail.com wrote:

> Looks very nice! When I try and drag and drop it into my TW, the import 
> page just shows download.url and not the theme itself?


This is a problem that started with the most recent update to Google Chrome 
(v96.0.4664.45 ) and MS-Edge (v96.0.1054.29).

The cause has already been identified and a fix has been implemented (see 
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/6254)
and will be included in TW v5.2.1, which will be released shortly (note: 
the scheduled release date has not yet been announced).

If you can't wait, you can download the pre-release build here:
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#GettingStarted

Alternatively, you can upgrade your current TW to TW5.2.1-prerelease, here:
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/upgrade

IMPORTANT:
*As always, make sure to backup your current version first, and take note 
that the pre-release version should not be relied upon for production use.*

The TWCore shadow tiddlers containing the fix for this bug are here:
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Futils%2Fdom%2Fdragndrop.js
https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fmodules%2Fwidgets%2Fdropzone.js

-e

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[tw5] Re: [Theme] Zacht - A clean and soft theme for TiddlyWiki

[ale...@gmail.com]

Looks very nice! When I try and drag and drop it into my TW, the import 
page just shows download.url and not the theme itself?

[image: import.png]

On Tuesday, 18 May 2021 at 20:23:10 UTC+1 Odin wrote:

> Hello everyone!
>
> I am proud to share my latest creation: Zacht - a clean and soft theme 
> for TiddlyWiki.  
>
> Zacht is the Dutch word for soft. With soft colors and roundings, I found 
> it a fitting name. The theme also embeds two fonts that really adds a fresh 
> look while staying true to the feel of the vanilla theme.
>
> The stylesheets are split up in small stylesheets to keep it easy to look 
> up any CSS to change it to your likings even further.
>
> This was also the first time I worked with Node.js. So I am also hosting 
> the individual files on GitHub for proper installation for those who use 
> TiddlyWiki on Node.js. It was a fun project : )
>
> I hope this theme finds some use for someone. I am open to feedback, 
> either in this thread or on GitHub. 
> 
>
> Also, thanks to Saqimtiaz for the last-minute troubleshooting on discord!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Odin
>
>

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[tw5] Re: TW 5.2.0 + CouchDB ?

[Michael McDermott]

I can't speak for everyone, only myself. When I picked TiddlyWiki several 
years ago, I imposed the following constraints on myself (brief reason in 
square brackets):

* Lightweight text markup that included hyperlinking [these are among the 
things that separate the solution from text-only]
* Searchable
* Open source [the content I generate for myself is too important to me for 
it to go dark if a startup shutters]
* Offline-first [travel or an internet outage shouldn't completely separate 
me from my "second brain"]

The first two are basic notetaking sorts of things, but the other two are 
why I use the default file saver with TiddlyDesktop. A single file + 
synchronization happens to be among the easier ways (to me) of 
accomplishing offline first. Everything is a trade-off.

I will say that document databases are a dime a dozen. Plain text and HTML 
are probably the two most stable interfaces in technology today. I (and, I 
suspect, a great deal of TiddlyWiki's user base) value that sort of 
stability.
On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 4:26:58 AM UTC-6 V wrote:

> Hi. 
>
> I have been following the TW project for years and I am still very 
> surprised that the community continues to actively support super strange, 
> inconvenient and limited ways of saving and synchronizing – but at the same 
> time all developments using normal technologies on which synchronization 
> could be easy, seamless and safe, such as CouchDB, are not supported in 
> official release and abandoned by community.
>
> Especially considering the new data storage format in JSON, with which 
> synchronization with object databases has never been easier. It's even 
> easier than maintaining the current server solution on files, which in 
> principle cannot work offline, unlike a solution based on 
> IndexedDB+PouchDB→CouchDB or IndexedDB→Mongo/Posrgres.
>
> I have used PouchDB adapter from NoteSelf, but it's outdated and contains 
> a lot of bugs. Other solutions were outdated even earlier.
>
> If IndexedDB/CouchDB solution were supported out of the box, there would 
> be no reason at all to use paid solutions like Evernote or Notion for 
> personal notes.
>
> Based on discussions & repo, it seems that no movement in this direction 
> is planned.
>
> I have only one question – why? 
> Is it really more convenient for everyone to save files in Dropbox using 
> crutches, constantly losing changes between devices and merging conflicts? 
>
> Are these some kind of ideological reasons?
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: appending to a 'list variable' through cycles

[PMario]

On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:28:32 PM UTC+1 CarloGgi wrote:

> it is indeed! I updated to TW 5.2.0 and it is gone now.
>

There is an open PR at GitHub, ... I'm not sure, if the corresponding 
problem could hit us in a different way. We'll see
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/6164

-m

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[tw5] Re: negative numbers in RevealWidget comparison not ... mathematically accurate?

[andres....@gmail.com]

That do make sense. ListWidget will work for what I am doing as well... 
actually, not sure why I went with RevealWidget as I am using ListWidget 
for other comparisons elsewhere ...

*shrug*

Thanks for the answers!

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 9:42:36 AM UTC jeremy...@gmail.com wrote:

> The issue here is that the reveal widget only performs string comparisons, 
> and doesn't understand numbers at all.
>
> More complex comparisons including numeric operations can be performed 
> with the list widget and filter.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:56:53 AM UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> G'day, 
>>
>> I think gt and lt in reveal widgets, only works with positive integers.
>>
>> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:45:58 PM UTC-4 andres@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I might be missing something, but given this demo here:
>>>
>>>   0 gt -5: <$reveal type="gt" default=0  text=-5>yes
>>> -1 gt -5: <$reveal type="gt" default=-1 text=-5>yes
>>> 
>>> -5 gt -1: <$reveal type="gt" default=-5 text=-1>yes
>>> 
>>>  0 lt -5: <$reveal type="lt" default=0  text=-5>yes
>>> 
>>> -5 lt  0: <$reveal type="lt" default=-5 text=0>yes
>>> 
>>> -1 lt -5: <$reveal type="lt" default=-1 text=-5>yes
>>> 
>>> -5 lt -1: <$reveal type="lt" default=-5 text=-1>yes 
>>>
>>> I get the following output:
>>>
>>>  0 gt -5: yes
>>> -1 gt -5: 
>>> -5 gt -1: yes  <-- -5 is less than -1, not greater
>>>  0 lt -5: 
>>> -5 lt  0: yes
>>> -1 lt -5: yes  <-- -1 is greater than -5, not less
>>> -5 lt -1: 
>>>
>>> Is this a known issue?
>>>
>>>

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[tw5] TW 5.2.0 + CouchDB ?

[V]

Hi. 

I have been following the TW project for years and I am still very 
surprised that the community continues to actively support super strange, 
inconvenient and limited ways of saving and synchronizing – but at the same 
time all developments using normal technologies on which synchronization 
could be easy, seamless and safe, such as CouchDB, are not supported in 
official release and abandoned by community.

Especially considering the new data storage format in JSON, with which 
synchronization with object databases has never been easier. It's even 
easier than maintaining the current server solution on files, which in 
principle cannot work offline, unlike a solution based on 
IndexedDB+PouchDB→CouchDB or IndexedDB→Mongo/Posrgres.

I have used PouchDB adapter from NoteSelf, but it's outdated and contains a 
lot of bugs. Other solutions were outdated even earlier.

If IndexedDB/CouchDB solution were supported out of the box, there would be 
no reason at all to use paid solutions like Evernote or Notion for personal 
notes.

Based on discussions & repo, it seems that no movement in this direction is 
planned.

I have only one question – why? 
Is it really more convenient for everyone to save files in Dropbox using 
crutches, constantly losing changes between devices and merging conflicts? 

Are these some kind of ideological reasons?


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[tw5] Re: negative numbers in RevealWidget comparison not ... mathematically accurate?

[Jeremy Ruston]

The issue here is that the reveal widget only performs string comparisons, 
and doesn't understand numbers at all.

More complex comparisons including numeric operations can be performed with 
the list widget and filter.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:56:53 AM UTC cj.v...@gmail.com wrote:

> G'day, 
>
> I think gt and lt in reveal widgets, only works with positive integers.
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2021 at 10:45:58 PM UTC-4 andres@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I might be missing something, but given this demo here:
>>
>>   0 gt -5: <$reveal type="gt" default=0  text=-5>yes
>> -1 gt -5: <$reveal type="gt" default=-1 text=-5>yes
>> 
>> -5 gt -1: <$reveal type="gt" default=-5 text=-1>yes
>> 
>>  0 lt -5: <$reveal type="lt" default=0  text=-5>yes
>> 
>> -5 lt  0: <$reveal type="lt" default=-5 text=0>yes
>> 
>> -1 lt -5: <$reveal type="lt" default=-1 text=-5>yes
>> 
>> -5 lt -1: <$reveal type="lt" default=-5 text=-1>yes 
>>
>> I get the following output:
>>
>>  0 gt -5: yes
>> -1 gt -5: 
>> -5 gt -1: yes  <-- -5 is less than -1, not greater
>>  0 lt -5: 
>> -5 lt  0: yes
>> -1 lt -5: yes  <-- -1 is greater than -5, not less
>> -5 lt -1: 
>>
>> Is this a known issue?
>>
>>

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