[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Mat]

Answer found!

In a different matter (* 
) 
Jeremy showed how the tags:

$:/tags/AboveStory and $:/tags/BelowStory

can add stuff above and below the story river and I just realized this 
solves the issue in this thread!

Case closed!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Mat]

Tobias - thanks, then I know it's not something I did wrong. Don't spend 
time on it for my sake but if you some day do, for some other reason, then 
I'd appreciate it if you report your findings on the boards. Besides, it 
needs a real solution, not a hack. I'll try to bring up the issue again 
when Jeremy gets better and see what he says.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mat,

Playing around with the offset, I am not entirely sure on the status of 
this.
I don't believe that hack-142 is doing anything right now.
Will have to investigate if I did something else to "fix" the offset 
problem.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Mat]

Tobias, thank you for your informative answer! At least good the issue is 
officially recognized. I'm thinking maybe there should be empty 
placeholders scattered around every here and there that people can fill up 
if/as they wish - e.g document top/bottom/left and maybe even right of 
sidebar and between sidebar and river. Maybe also around the four tiddler 
sides, like for we have discussed previously.


[...] the problem is not at the beginning of the story river... the problem 
> is the location to which the story river scrolls when wanting to display a 
> given tiddler. Startup / the first tiddler is but one symptom of the 
> underlying issue.
>

Ok, so your hack takes that "scroll-to position" and slips in the offset - 
clever! Do I need something particular more than the hack to make it work? 
I hope to get it to work here .

Thank you!

<:-)
 

>
> ~
>
> As for the "jumpy editing" problem mentioned for those instructions 
> involving *hack-142*, I believe that wasn't even owed to the hack but to 
> a problem in edit-mode that seems to be fixed because I am no longer 
> observing the problematic behavior.
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
>

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Tobias Beer]

Hi Mat,
 

> Not really knowing what I'm talking about, but I'm hoping maybe some CSS 
> could squeeze in some absolute or fixed div or something that the rest of 
> the content would 'simply' have to move over to make room for. I tried to 
> make this work but was unsuccesful.
>

The problem is that when you create such a container, any tiddlers will be 
positioned wrong, i.e. covered by that container. So, what *hack-142* tries 
to achieve is to reposition tiddlers when displayed so that they are taking 
the desired / needed offset into account... which otherwise is neglected by 
the rendering / scrolling mechanism.

Unfortunately, Jeremy was opposed to configuring a simple vertical offset 
to remedy the problem. So, afaik, this is the issue that is intended to 
target the problem:

*Improve handling of toolbars/sidebars*
https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/1285

Not sure at what point it will be tackled.

Or, maybe there could be some invisible element at top, but inside the 
> story/ river column, that blocks tiddlers from reaching up to those top 
> centimeters?
>

Nope, that doesn't work because the problem is not at the beginning of the 
story river... the problem is the location to which the story river scrolls 
when wanting to display a given tiddler.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Mat]

>
> I hadn't looked at it closely, but that seems like a rather complex way to 
> do it. I just set the story top position equal to the width of my top bar. 
> Sometimes a tiddler will open and the bottom of the top bar will be even 
> with the top of the text in the tiddler title but that is it. I don't think 
> going with something as complex as he has is worth it in my case, 
> particularly if it can potentially introduce other unwanted behaviour. 
>

Well, that may be enough when the bar width (height) is very small, but I'm 
hoping to find a simple way even for those that want to add e.g background 
graphics there - a very common thing for websites. There must be a simple 
way... I mean, this should be basic stuff laying out webpages, no?

Not really knowing what I'm talking about, but I'm hoping maybe some CSS 
could squeeze in some absolute or fixed div or something that the rest of 
the content would 'simply' have to move over to make room for. I tried to 
make this work but was unsuccesful.

Or, maybe there could be some invisible element at top, but inside the 
story/ river column, that blocks tiddlers from reaching up to those top 
centimeters?

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Jed Carty]

I hadn't looked at it closely, but that seems like a rather complex way to 
do it. I just set the story top position equal to the width of my top bar. 
Sometimes a tiddler will open and the bottom of the top bar will be even 
with the top of the text in the tiddler title but that is it. I don't think 
going with something as complex as he has is worth it in my case, 
particularly if it can potentially introduce other unwanted behaviour. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Mat]

Hi Jed, I really like that TW of yours and that is actually one of the TW's 
I've studied for this. But are you actually using the hack-142 
 
he is referring to? I can't find it in your TW.


[..] The scrolling part isn't perfect though, and if you just want the top 
> menu it may be overkill.
>

What do you mean "overkill"? The scrolling part is the exact thing I want 
to get working. It is a problem that opening a tiddler from e.g the sidebar 
puts it at top so the topmenu covers the title partially. Or even all of 
the title if I wanted a wider (higher) topmenu.
 
Just like for LeftBar  I hope to make a 
TopBar  (obviously not ready yet) that is as 
simple as possible to use for less experienced users. tb5 is the only place 
I've seen with the scrolling problem solved.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TW5] @Tobias - Prevent river from going under topmenu?

[Jed Carty]

I haven't noticed any weird thing in edit mode with the one I made 
. The scrolling 
part isn't perfect though, and if you just want the top menu it may be 
overkill.

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