Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[David Myers]

Or maybee if they could be selected by their tags.

When I import my 'references and bibliography' I have about 30 tiddlers to
import... and it keeps growing.

however they all have the same 'tag' on the tiddlers.

clearly I don't want any of the system tiddlers etc, and the plugin
tiddlers I only need to install the first time I do it.

There would be an obvious problem in attempting to import tiddlers that
allready exist, so I guess an 'overwrite or ignore' option would be
appropriate.

... hmm it seems this is becoming more complicated ?

I guess we need to create a 'specification' for the process.

@Jeremy.
Do you have a system in place for designing the spec for new functionality ?
Is this a function that you think you may like to have ?

I would really love to help with this, but I'm fairly charged with my
thesis at the moment (implementing a new data integration / visualisation /
sharing / analysis system for a distributed teams of medical researchers
trying to find a new HIV vaccine).

David


D

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Hegart Dmishiv 
wrote:

> Bit of a bump here. I haven't gotten any further with this yet, and I'd
> really like to. Here's a screenshot of what I'd like to achieve. If anyone
> can help make it happen, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
>
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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Bit of a bump here. I haven't gotten any further with this yet, and I'd 
really like to. Here's a screenshot of what I'd like to achieve. If anyone 
can help make it happen, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.




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Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

This is Firefox 43.0.1 on Win 7.


On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 12:00:59 PM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> What browser and operating system are you using?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeremy
>
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> On 13 Apr 2016, at 19:24, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
> tiddl...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jeremy,
>
> This is the message I see in the tiddler:
>
>
>
>> Loading external text from *./test.tid*
>>
>> If this message doesn't disappear you may be using a browser that doesn't 
>> support external text in this configuration. See http:
>> //tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText
>>
>>
>>
>>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:46:34 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mark
>>
>> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
>> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
>> where it does work. I notice that the link to 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was 
>> dropped..
>>
>>
>> The documentation is missing, but the feature is present. There are some 
>> notes in the release tiddler for the version when the feature was released:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.10
>>
>> To test it, try visiting this link:
>>
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Alice%20in%20Wonderland
>>
>> If you see the full text of “Alice in Wonderland”, then it is working. 
>> Basically, the tiddler has a _canonical_uri field pointing to a .tid file.
>>
>> The only browser-specific limitation I’m aware of is that Chrome won’t 
>> display external tiddlers when the TiddlyWiki is loaded from a file:// URI. 
>> But there are many other gotchas that make external tiddlers pretty tricky 
>> to work with if one is only working in the standalone configuration.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy.
>>
>>
>> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want 
>> you want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All.
>>>
>>> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on 
>>> TiddlyWiki ~ suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
>>>
>>> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
>>> include them into one another.
>>>
>>> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > 
>>> Import menu in the side bar.
>>>
>>> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
>>> current one.
>>>
>>> My use case:
>>>
>>> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
>>> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import 
>>> (one at a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin 
>>> 
>>> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then 
>>> simply import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
>>>
>>> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
>>> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
>>> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
>>> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
>>> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
>>> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in 
>>> TW5 (or have I missed something ?)
>>>
>>> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this 
>>> automatically with this specified file.
>>>
>>> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call 
>>> it directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the 
>>> local references tiddler that could point to the external file.
>>>
>>> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new 
>>> to working on TW.
>>>
>>>
>>> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki 
>>> file, but I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' 
>>> or 'import'
>>>
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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Hegart Dmishiv]

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 05:43:58 UTC+12, David Myers wrote:

> Much like the current import tiddler, but with the location of the 
> external tiddler already available
>

That's precisely what I'm trying to achieve.  I don't think the 
*_canonical_uri* field will help me here, as I'll be attempting to import 
multiple different "packages / bundles" of tiddlers from a single tiddler 
"interface", so I'd need multiple *_canonical_uri* fields, I think. I'm not 
sure. If anyone can suggest a way to make this work, so that I can simply 
add buttons to import these "packages / bundles" of tiddlers from given 
URLs, that would be awesome.

Hegart.

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Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

What browser and operating system are you using?

Thanks

Jeremy

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> On 13 Apr 2016, at 19:24, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Jeremy,
> 
> This is the message I see in the tiddler:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Loading external text from ./test.tid
>> 
>> If this message doesn't disappear you may be using a browser that doesn't 
>> support external text in this configuration. See 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:46:34 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Hi Mark
>> 
>>> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
>>> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
>>> where it does work. I notice that the link to 
>>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was 
>>> dropped..
>> 
>> The documentation is missing, but the feature is present. There are some 
>> notes in the release tiddler for the version when the feature was released:
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.10
>> 
>> To test it, try visiting this link:
>> 
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Alice%20in%20Wonderland
>> 
>> If you see the full text of “Alice in Wonderland”, then it is working. 
>> Basically, the tiddler has a _canonical_uri field pointing to a .tid file.
>> 
>> The only browser-specific limitation I’m aware of is that Chrome won’t 
>> display external tiddlers when the TiddlyWiki is loaded from a file:// URI. 
>> But there are many other gotchas that make external tiddlers pretty tricky 
>> to work with if one is only working in the standalone configuration.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Jeremy.
>> 
>>> 
>>> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want 
>>> you want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
 Hello All.
 
 First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on TiddlyWiki 
 ~ suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
 
 Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
 include them into one another.
 
 I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > Import 
 menu in the side bar.
 
 However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
 current one.
 
 My use case:
 
 I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
 I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import (one 
 at a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin
 However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then 
 simply import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
 
 This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
 references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
 (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
 and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
 This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
 ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in 
 TW5 (or have I missed something ?)
 
 Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this 
 automatically with this specified file.
 
 I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call it 
 directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the 
 local references tiddler that could point to the external file.
 
 If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new to 
 working on TW.
 
 
 to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki file, 
 but I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' or 
 'import'
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Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hi Jeremy,

This is the message I see in the tiddler:



> Loading external text from *./test.tid*
>
> If this message doesn't disappear you may be using a browser that doesn't 
> support external text in this configuration. See http:
> //tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText
>
>
>
>
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 10:46:34 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Mark
>
> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
> where it does work. I notice that the link to 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was 
> dropped..
>
>
> The documentation is missing, but the feature is present. There are some 
> notes in the release tiddler for the version when the feature was released:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.10
>
> To test it, try visiting this link:
>
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#Alice%20in%20Wonderland
>
> If you see the full text of “Alice in Wonderland”, then it is working. 
> Basically, the tiddler has a _canonical_uri field pointing to a .tid file.
>
> The only browser-specific limitation I’m aware of is that Chrome won’t 
> display external tiddlers when the TiddlyWiki is loaded from a file:// URI. 
> But there are many other gotchas that make external tiddlers pretty tricky 
> to work with if one is only working in the standalone configuration.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want 
> you want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
>>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on 
>> TiddlyWiki ~ suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
>>
>> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
>> include them into one another.
>>
>> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > 
>> Import menu in the side bar.
>>
>> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
>> current one.
>>
>> My use case:
>>
>> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
>> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import 
>> (one at a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin 
>> 
>> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then 
>> simply import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
>>
>> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
>> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
>> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
>> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
>> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
>> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in 
>> TW5 (or have I missed something ?)
>>
>> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this 
>> automatically with this specified file.
>>
>> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call 
>> it directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the 
>> local references tiddler that could point to the external file.
>>
>> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new to 
>> working on TW.
>>
>>
>> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki file, 
>> but I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' or 
>> 'import'
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[David Myers]

Jeremy,

yes I had noticed that my FF beta on my android tablet suddenly didn't work
with the Android equivalent of tiddlyfox for editing.
some crazy thing about 'unsigned extensions'

But hey, I guess reducing functionality for the end user is a good thing


Everyone seems to be doing the 'apple thing' and adding in new strange and
silly restrictions becuase 'we the devs no best'.

The exception seems to be TW, I much prefer 5 over classic. lots of extra
things that are really cool (like SVG editing).

I just wish I could use it for my presentations rather than OO impress or
powerpoint. I did do so one time, and the profs where really impressed. I
think they liked the way it was so easy to link to external sites, and how
there was nice consistency between each 'slide' (or tiddler).

Just keep up the good work.

David


On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> HI David
>
> I know that this was available in TW classic, such as the inlcude plugin
> , there is a whole
> thread here in the TW group
> 
>  discssing it, and it's various offshoots.
>
> The question is how is TW5 so different that these TW classic plugins
> don't work for TW5 ? Are they relatively easy to make them TW5 compatible ?
>
>
> It’s the browsers that have changed; since TiddlyWiki Classic days all of
> the major browsers have implemented substantial restrictions on the actions
> that can be performed from a file:// URI. TWC’s includeplugin doesn’t work
> like it did in contemporary browsers.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
> Hegart,
>
> I hear what you are saying, if there was a way to create a 'permanent'
> import external TW file with a bunch of pre set fields that would work for
> me, add in the required settings a single time in that system tiddler, then
> just use a 'refresh' button when required would be a workable solution as
> far as I am concerned. Much like the current import tiddler, but with the
> location of the external tiddler already available
>
> D
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 7:17:19 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using
>> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure
>> where it does work. I notice that the link to
>> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was
>> dropped..
>>
>> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want
>> you want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All.
>>>
>>> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on
>>> TiddlyWiki ~ suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
>>>
>>> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to
>>> include them into one another.
>>>
>>> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools >
>>> Import menu in the side bar.
>>>
>>> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my
>>> current one.
>>>
>>> My use case:
>>>
>>> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
>>> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import
>>> (one at a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin
>>> 
>>> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then
>>> simply import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
>>>
>>> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the
>>> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file
>>> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it
>>> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
>>> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or
>>> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in
>>> TW5 (or have I missed something ?)
>>>
>>> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this
>>> automatically with this specified file.
>>>
>>> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call
>>> it directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the
>>> local references tiddler that could point to the external file.
>>>
>>> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new
>>> to working on TW.
>>>
>>>
>>> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki
>>> file, but I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load'
>>> or 'import'
>>>
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

HI David

> I know that this was available in TW classic, such as the inlcude plugin 
> , there is a whole thread 
> here in the TW group 
> 
>  discssing it, and it's various offshoots.
> 
> The question is how is TW5 so different that these TW classic plugins don't 
> work for TW5 ? Are they relatively easy to make them TW5 compatible ?

It’s the browsers that have changed; since TiddlyWiki Classic days all of the 
major browsers have implemented substantial restrictions on the actions that 
can be performed from a file:// URI. TWC’s includeplugin doesn’t work like it 
did in contemporary browsers.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


> 
> Hegart,
> 
> I hear what you are saying, if there was a way to create a 'permanent' import 
> external TW file with a bunch of pre set fields that would work for me, add 
> in the required settings a single time in that system tiddler, then just use 
> a 'refresh' button when required would be a workable solution as far as I am 
> concerned. Much like the current import tiddler, but with the location of the 
> external tiddler already available
> 
> D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 7:17:19 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
> where it does work. I notice that the link to 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText  
> doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was dropped..
> 
> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want you 
> want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
> Hello All.
> 
> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on TiddlyWiki ~ 
> suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
> 
> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
> include them into one another.
> 
> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > Import 
> menu in the side bar.
> 
> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
> current one.
> 
> My use case:
> 
> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import (one at 
> a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin 
> 
> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then simply 
> import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
> 
> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in TW5 
> (or have I missed something ?)
> 
> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this automatically 
> with this specified file.
> 
> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call it 
> directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the local 
> references tiddler that could point to the external file.
> 
> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new to 
> working on TW.
> 
> 
> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki file, but 
> I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' or 'import'
> 
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Re: [tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mark

> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
> where it does work. I notice that the link to 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText  
> doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was dropped..

The documentation is missing, but the feature is present. There are some notes 
in the release tiddler for the version when the feature was released:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#Release%205.1.10

To test it, try visiting this link:

http://tiddlywiki.com/#Alice%20in%20Wonderland

If you see the full text of “Alice in Wonderland”, then it is working. 
Basically, the tiddler has a _canonical_uri field pointing to a .tid file.

The only browser-specific limitation I’m aware of is that Chrome won’t display 
external tiddlers when the TiddlyWiki is loaded from a file:// URI. But there 
are many other gotchas that make external tiddlers pretty tricky to work with 
if one is only working in the standalone configuration.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

> 
> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want you 
> want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
> Hello All.
> 
> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on TiddlyWiki ~ 
> suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
> 
> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
> include them into one another.
> 
> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > Import 
> menu in the side bar.
> 
> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
> current one.
> 
> My use case:
> 
> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import (one at 
> a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin 
> 
> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then simply 
> import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
> 
> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in TW5 
> (or have I missed something ?)
> 
> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this automatically 
> with this specified file.
> 
> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call it 
> directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the local 
> references tiddler that could point to the external file.
> 
> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new to 
> working on TW.
> 
> 
> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki file, but 
> I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' or 'import'
> 
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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[David Myers]

Mark,

That seems interesting, but I would really like to be able to link to the 
tiddlers in the included file, not sure if that is possible in Tobias' 
plugin... I need a better look.

I know that this was available in TW classic, such as the inlcude plugin 
, there is a whole 
thread here in the TW group 

 
discssing it, and it's various offshoots.

The question is how is TW5 so different that these TW classic plugins don't 
work for TW5 ? Are they relatively easy to make them TW5 compatible ?

Hegart,

I hear what you are saying, if there was a way to create a 'permanent' 
import external TW file with a bunch of pre set fields that would work for 
me, add in the required settings a single time in that system tiddler, then 
just use a 'refresh' button when required would be a workable solution as 
far as I am concerned. Much like the current import tiddler, but with the 
location of the external tiddler already available

D




On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 7:17:19 PM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
> _canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
> where it does work. I notice that the link to 
> http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was 
> dropped..
>
> You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want 
> you want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
>>
>> Hello All.
>>
>> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on 
>> TiddlyWiki ~ suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
>>
>> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
>> include them into one another.
>>
>> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > 
>> Import menu in the side bar.
>>
>> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
>> current one.
>>
>> My use case:
>>
>> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
>> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import 
>> (one at a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin 
>> 
>> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then 
>> simply import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
>>
>> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
>> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
>> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
>> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
>> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
>> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in 
>> TW5 (or have I missed something ?)
>>
>> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this 
>> automatically with this specified file.
>>
>> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call 
>> it directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the 
>> local references tiddler that could point to the external file.
>>
>> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new to 
>> working on TW.
>>
>>
>> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki file, 
>> but I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' or 
>> 'import'
>>
>

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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

There's supposed to be the ability to link to external tid files using 
_canonical_uri. However, it doesn't work on my very latest FF, so not sure 
where it does work. I notice that the link to 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#ExternalText doesn't exist, so maybe the idea was 
dropped..

You might look at Tobias Beer's <> plugin and see if it's want 
you want: http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#external



On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 3:16:36 AM UTC-7, David Myers wrote:
>
> Hello All.
>
> First of all I would like to thank all those who have worked on TiddlyWiki 
> ~ suffice to say I love it lots and lots.
>
> Recently I've started a number of TiddlyWiki files and I often want to 
> include them into one another.
>
> I know that I can 'import' and external TiddlyWiki from the Tools > Import 
> menu in the side bar.
>
> However  would like to be able to 'transclude' an external wiki into my 
> current one.
>
> My use case:
>
> I am writing my thesis, and use TW to take notes.
> I use zotero and BibTex for storing my references. Whic I then import (one 
> at a time) using inmysocks Citations Plugin 
> 
> However I keep all my citations in a single tiddlywiki file, and then 
> simply import this file into each of my other TiddlyWiki notebooks.
>
> This works fine, but I would really appreciate a way for the TW with the 
> references / citations in to auto update into the currently open TW file 
> (much like how transcluding a tiddler mean I only need a single copy of it 
> and any updates I make are seen wherever it is transcluded.
> This functionality exists in TW classic using the SharedTiddlerPlugin or 
> ExternalTiddlersPlugin etc, but currently doesn't seem to be availabe in 
> TW5 (or have I missed something ?)
>
> Another option would be to add in an 'import' button to do this 
> automatically with this specified file.
>
> I found the loadTiddlersFromFile function, but I'm not sure how to call it 
> directly from within the a tiddler. I could place a 'button' within the 
> local references tiddler that could point to the external file.
>
> If anyone can give me any pointers that would be great, I'm fairly new to 
> working on TW.
>
>
> to this end I attemtped to find the JS code in the empty tiddlywiki file, 
> but I can't seem to find it, as it doesn't seem to be called 'load' or 
> 'import'
>

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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Hegart Dmishiv]

Hi all,

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 23:42:39 UTC+12, David Myers wrote:
>
> I would be happy if I could pass it a 'default' location to pick up the 
> external references file
>

I would also like to find an answer to this, as I have a similar use case 
in mind, for my TiddlyCRM semester project  for the *{{DesignWrite}}* 
course. I've been generating data sets, or batches, of tiddlers from a 
spreadsheet 
,
 
which I import regularly via the JSON importing as *Evolena* described 
earlier. I can bulk delete this SampleData using this interface 

 
(which is transcluded as part of my main navigational system). I'd like to 
add an extra column to this table, in order to be able to bulk import the 
respective JSON files, using the same idea that *David Myers* has 
elucidated here, of being able to pass a URL (which I could specify in my 
constants 

 
interface) to import a specific JSON file.  I see the *tm-import-tiddlers* 
 widget 
message and the BrowseWidget , but 
neither of these seem to help me achieve what I want to be able to do.

Thanks in advance for any advice offered,

Hegart.

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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[David Myers]

@Devin.

I like the sound of your idea, but I worry it will add to my workflow, and 
I'll end up 'not bothering'  with the exporting, hence leaving my 
colleagues with a node.js version of my TW file(s). That doesn't mean I 
won't look to implement this, but I'll need to wait for when I have a bit 
more time on my hands (and the truth is the 'import' button works 
remarkably wekk, I just need to remember to do it on a semi regular basis.

@ Evolena.

As I say for Devin, this sound interesting. I hope to find time to 
incorporation what you both propose into my workflow... 

Unfortunately right now I have more pressing things to do, I thought it 
would be simply a case of finding a way to call the import macro with a 
pre-set file name, and a grep to exclude all the shadow tiddlers.

however the node.js version is interesting, and I guess I'll look into it 
in the future...

David



On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 2:20:05 PM UTC+2, Devin Weaver wrote:
>
> You're asking for two very different things. On one hand you want the 
> "single page" version and on the other you want "more than one" page 
> version. The two are mutually exclusive.
>
> That said I understand what you want to do and I have two conclusions. 
> First it is not possible in the current setup you are asking for. This is 
> for a few reasons. The single page version is a full HTML page. It would 
> have to download the entire HTML, Parse it, And then selectively import 
> what you need. To do this auto-magically would require a good deal of 
> custom code specific to just your needs. This is why the current 
> implementation relies on a drag and drop from the user and an import 
> confirmation dialog. The manual process is the best general solution to 
> this.
>
> I then did an experiment to see of I could externally include a tid file 
> using _canonical_uri Turns out this method attempts to embed the content 
> not import and so obviously a tid file is something the browser doesn't 
> natively support.
>
> This brought me to the final conclusion: Node.js with includeWikis 
> option. By structuring your content as a few Node.js tiddlywiki directories 
> you could (on your Node.JS dev machine) edit any one wiki in isolation. 
> Then when finish use the download button or the tiddlywiki --rendertiddler 
> command to build the final single page wiki which would include what you 
> want in a single HTML that could be emailed around.
>
> I use the later solution for my home page (and several other single page 
> static sites). https://tritarget.org/ (source 
> https://github.com/sukima/dev-tritarget-org/) My work flow is simple. I 
> execute the node server (tiddlywiki --server) and then open my site in my 
> browser (http://localhost:8080/). Then in the browser I add/delete/edit 
> content to my hearts desire. Then I shutdown the Node.js server, clean up 
> the tiddlers directory, and save the changes to my version control 
> software. Then I simple run a build command which creates my main HTML file 
> (index.html), all the static versions of the pages (
> https://tritarget.org/static.html), and any external images. Then I 
> simply upload the output (compiled) content to my web server. With this 
> setup you could separate content by multiple wikis or simply separate them 
> in directories since each tiddler is represented as a tid file instead of 
> embedded in a HTML document for storage.
>  
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 7:42:39 AM UTC-4, David Myers wrote:
>>
>> I wasn't aware that the Node.js version gave this functionality. However 
>> I personally like the 'all in a single file' that is TW's main strong point 
>> for me. This means I can send a sigle TW file to a colleague (or post it to 
>> a web page) and it will function in place, as it does on my local pc. I now 
>> my colleagues will copy the main file around, and break all the links !
>>
>> I did some more reading, and found the import button is actually a macro 
>> call, but can't find any details on the macro.
>>
>> I would be happy if I could pass it a 'default' location to pick up the 
>> external references file, this would be a reasonable work around for my 
>> problem, even better if I could get it to select only a certain tiddlers (I 
>> clearly don't want to import the titile and subtitle, and a bunch of the 
>> other shadow tiddlers, I could add the button and perform the import all in 
>> a single mouse click...
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 1:21:03 PM UTC+2, Evolena wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know how to do that for the standalone version of Tiddlywiki.
>>>
>>> But, if you want to give a try to Tiddlywiki on Node.js 
>>> , you could then 
>>> define inclusion of your citation wiki into each notes wiki (cf 
>>> includeWikis ). For an 
>>> example of the configuration, see the tiddlywiki.info 
>>> 

[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Devin Weaver]

You're asking for two very different things. On one hand you want the 
"single page" version and on the other you want "more than one" page 
version. The two are mutually exclusive.

That said I understand what you want to do and I have two conclusions. 
First it is not possible in the current setup you are asking for. This is 
for a few reasons. The single page version is a full HTML page. It would 
have to download the entire HTML, Parse it, And then selectively import 
what you need. To do this auto-magically would require a good deal of 
custom code specific to just your needs. This is why the current 
implementation relies on a drag and drop from the user and an import 
confirmation dialog. The manual process is the best general solution to 
this.

I then did an experiment to see of I could externally include a tid file 
using _canonical_uri Turns out this method attempts to embed the content 
not import and so obviously a tid file is something the browser doesn't 
natively support.

This brought me to the final conclusion: Node.js with includeWikis option. 
By structuring your content as a few Node.js tiddlywiki directories you 
could (on your Node.JS dev machine) edit any one wiki in isolation. Then 
when finish use the download button or the tiddlywiki --rendertiddler 
command to build the final single page wiki which would include what you 
want in a single HTML that could be emailed around.

I use the later solution for my home page (and several other single page 
static sites). https://tritarget.org/ (source 
https://github.com/sukima/dev-tritarget-org/) My work flow is simple. I 
execute the node server (tiddlywiki --server) and then open my site in my 
browser (http://localhost:8080/). Then in the browser I add/delete/edit 
content to my hearts desire. Then I shutdown the Node.js server, clean up 
the tiddlers directory, and save the changes to my version control 
software. Then I simple run a build command which creates my main HTML file 
(index.html), all the static versions of the pages (
https://tritarget.org/static.html), and any external images. Then I simply 
upload the output (compiled) content to my web server. With this setup you 
could separate content by multiple wikis or simply separate them in 
directories since each tiddler is represented as a tid file instead of 
embedded in a HTML document for storage.
 
On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 7:42:39 AM UTC-4, David Myers wrote:
>
> I wasn't aware that the Node.js version gave this functionality. However I 
> personally like the 'all in a single file' that is TW's main strong point 
> for me. This means I can send a sigle TW file to a colleague (or post it to 
> a web page) and it will function in place, as it does on my local pc. I now 
> my colleagues will copy the main file around, and break all the links !
>
> I did some more reading, and found the import button is actually a macro 
> call, but can't find any details on the macro.
>
> I would be happy if I could pass it a 'default' location to pick up the 
> external references file, this would be a reasonable work around for my 
> problem, even better if I could get it to select only a certain tiddlers (I 
> clearly don't want to import the titile and subtitle, and a bunch of the 
> other shadow tiddlers, I could add the button and perform the import all in 
> a single mouse click...
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 1:21:03 PM UTC+2, Evolena wrote:
>>
>> I don't know how to do that for the standalone version of Tiddlywiki.
>>
>> But, if you want to give a try to Tiddlywiki on Node.js 
>> , you could then 
>> define inclusion of your citation wiki into each notes wiki (cf 
>> includeWikis ). For an example 
>> of the configuration, see the tiddlywiki.info 
>> 
>>  
>> for the "prerelease" edition, which only has tiddlers with new 
>> functionalities, and includes the main tw5 wiki.
>>
>

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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Evolena]

Le mercredi 13 avril 2016 13:42:39 UTC+2, David Myers a écrit :
>
> I wasn't aware that the Node.js version gave this functionality. However I 
> personally like the 'all in a single file' that is TW's main strong point 
> for me. This means I can send a sigle TW file to a colleague (or post it to 
> a web page) and it will function in place, as it does on my local pc. I now 
> my colleagues will copy the main file around, and break all the links !
>

You can still generate a single-file tiddlywiki, which will include both 
the notes and the citations, and share it. It's only that on your file 
system, the citations are shared between your notes wikis, thus no 
duplication.

 

>
> I did some more reading, and found the import button is actually a macro 
> call, but can't find any details on the macro.
>
> I would be happy if I could pass it a 'default' location to pick up the 
> external references file, this would be a reasonable work around for my 
> problem, even better if I could get it to select only a certain tiddlers (I 
> clearly don't want to import the titile and subtitle, and a bunch of the 
> other shadow tiddlers, I could add the button and perform the import all in 
> a single mouse click...
>

Do you know that the "filter" advanced search allow to export the results 
of the search (in CSV, JSON or HTML file)? You can then filter which 
tiddler to export (tiddlers not system nor shadow, based on tag, ...). And 
such a file (at least CSV and JSON) can be directly imported into another 
tiddlywiki.

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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[David Myers]

I wasn't aware that the Node.js version gave this functionality. However I 
personally like the 'all in a single file' that is TW's main strong point 
for me. This means I can send a sigle TW file to a colleague (or post it to 
a web page) and it will function in place, as it does on my local pc. I now 
my colleagues will copy the main file around, and break all the links !

I did some more reading, and found the import button is actually a macro 
call, but can't find any details on the macro.

I would be happy if I could pass it a 'default' location to pick up the 
external references file, this would be a reasonable work around for my 
problem, even better if I could get it to select only a certain tiddlers (I 
clearly don't want to import the titile and subtitle, and a bunch of the 
other shadow tiddlers, I could add the button and perform the import all in 
a single mouse click...


On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 1:21:03 PM UTC+2, Evolena wrote:
>
> I don't know how to do that for the standalone version of Tiddlywiki.
>
> But, if you want to give a try to Tiddlywiki on Node.js 
> , you could then define 
> inclusion of your citation wiki into each notes wiki (cf includeWikis 
> ). For an example of the 
> configuration, see the tiddlywiki.info 
> 
>  
> for the "prerelease" edition, which only has tiddlers with new 
> functionalities, and includes the main tw5 wiki.
>

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[tw] Re: How to transclude external tiddlers in TW5

[Evolena]

I don't know how to do that for the standalone version of Tiddlywiki.

But, if you want to give a try to Tiddlywiki on Node.js 
, you could then define 
inclusion of your citation wiki into each notes wiki (cf includeWikis 
). For an example of the 
configuration, see the tiddlywiki.info 

 
for the "prerelease" edition, which only has tiddlers with new 
functionalities, and includes the main tw5 wiki.

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