Re: [tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

That's useful information. Thanks for the the heads up. Unfortunately I 
don't have a single device near me running iOS so I can't help there lol.

Someone with iPhone, help please?

On Monday, December 4, 2017 at 12:24:11 PM UTC+3, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> Hi Abraham
>
> I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've 
>> experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write 
>> something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error 
>> (setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?
>>
>
> I've just run into this issue as well. It's pretty disconcerting: on 
> Chrome iOS, clicking in the tiddler editor textarea for the text field of a 
> tiddler triggers a JavaScript error every time.
>
> The good news is that you can work around it by disabling the rich editor 
> toolbar in Control Panel settings.
>
> The bad news is that I have been unable to find a way to debug it. You can 
> attach an iOS device to a Mac via USB to remotely debug pages in Mobile 
> Safari, but the problem does not occur in Mobile Safari.
>
> That in itself is pretty weird, and highlights something that not 
> everybody realises: not all WebViews on iOS are the same. Over the life of 
> iOS there have been two different architectures for embedding webviews 
> within an app, with different characteristics (the newer approach is 
> generally much more secure but often less convenient for developers). I 
> strongly suspect that Chrome is still using the older approach in order to 
> be able to offer their signature features like automatic translation.
>
> One can notice the difference with sites like https://federatial.com — 
> the funky scroll effect doesn't work in browsers that use the older 
> embedding engine. 
>
> For me personally, all of this is a compelling reason to use Safari as my 
> primary browser on iOS.
>
> Anyhow, the situation is currently that I cannot find a way to debug the 
> problem, even to find out the line number of the error. Any help with this 
> is of course much appreciated.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems 
>>> to be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something. 
>>>
>>> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself 
>>> and tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This 
>>> problem seems to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle 
>>> ground, the Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop 
>>> shadows disappearing)
>>>
>>> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>>>
>>> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:

 Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to 
 auto-hide the sidebar as well. 

 My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 

 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
 margin.

 The behavior can be seen in this gif:

 https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif


 An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
 window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
 my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
 I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
 in". 


 On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is 
> what happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
> restore.
>
> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey JD,
>>
>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing 
>> strange rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and 
>> ends 
>> up taking over everything. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
>>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on 
>>> using / 
>>> discovering TW5.)
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>>>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>>>- Added options to 

Re: [tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Abraham

>> I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've 
>> experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write 
>> something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error 
>> (setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?

I've just run into this issue as well. It's pretty disconcerting: on Chrome 
iOS, clicking in the tiddler editor textarea for the text field of a tiddler 
triggers a JavaScript error every time.

The good news is that you can work around it by disabling the rich editor 
toolbar in Control Panel settings.

The bad news is that I have been unable to find a way to debug it. You can 
attach an iOS device to a Mac via USB to remotely debug pages in Mobile Safari, 
but the problem does not occur in Mobile Safari.

That in itself is pretty weird, and highlights something that not everybody 
realises: not all WebViews on iOS are the same. Over the life of iOS there have 
been two different architectures for embedding webviews within an app, with 
different characteristics (the newer approach is generally much more secure but 
often less convenient for developers). I strongly suspect that Chrome is still 
using the older approach in order to be able to offer their signature features 
like automatic translation.

One can notice the difference with sites like https://federatial.com — the 
funky scroll effect doesn't work in browsers that use the older embedding 
engine. 

For me personally, all of this is a compelling reason to use Safari as my 
primary browser on iOS.

Anyhow, the situation is currently that I cannot find a way to debug the 
problem, even to find out the line number of the error. Any help with this is 
of course much appreciated.

Best wishes

Jeremy

>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems to 
>>> be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something. 
>>> 
>>> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself and 
>>> tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This problem seems 
>>> to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle ground, the 
>>> Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop shadows 
>>> disappearing)
>>> 
>>> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>>> 
>>> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
 Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to auto-hide 
 the sidebar as well. 
 
 My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 
 
 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
 margin.
 
 The behavior can be seen in this gif:
 
 https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
 
 
 An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
 window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
 my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
 I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
 in". 
 
 
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
> restore.
> 
> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
> 
> -- Mark
> 
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>> Hey JD,
>> 
>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
>> rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up 
>> taking over everything. 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to 1.0.2, what is possibly the last 
>>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on 
>>> using / discovering TW5.)
>>> 
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>> 
>>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>> 
>>> Changelog:
>>> Added Larger, Largest, and Smallest options to font sizes
>>> Added Mobbuttons option to topbar and bottombar
>>> Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>>> Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>>> Cleaned up config tiddler
>>> Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>>> Versions 0.9.9 and 1.0.0 are attached to my previous announcer post 
>>> (for backup)
>>> Version 1.0.2 is attached to this post
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thursday, 

Re: [tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

Update: wrt my previous question, this problem seems to be more due to the
Codemirror plugin and not due to TW5's editor per se.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Abraham Samma 
wrote:

> Hi JD,
>
> I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've
> experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write
> something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error
> (setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?
>
> Regards.
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems to
>> be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something.
>>
>> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself and
>> tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This problem
>> seems to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle ground, the
>> Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop shadows
>> disappearing)
>>
>> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>>
>> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to
>>> auto-hide the sidebar as well.
>>>
>>> My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states:
>>>
>>> 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
>>> 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
>>> 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small
>>> margin.
>>>
>>> The behavior can be seen in this gif:
>>>
>>> https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
>>>
>>>
>>> An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a
>>> window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize
>>> my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update.
>>> I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick
>>> in".
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:

 On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what
 happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to
 restore.

 Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.

 -- Mark

 On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey JD,
>
> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing
> strange rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends
> up taking over everything.
>
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last
>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using 
>> /
>> discovering TW5.)
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>>
>> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer
>> post (for backup)
>> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've
>>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related
>>> things) remains unrealized.
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is
>>> now exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs 
>>> or
>>> if anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always 
>>> welcome.
>>>
>>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW
>>> itself was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>>
>>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls
>>>   area*, or hidden
>>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at
>>>topbar *controls 

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

Hi JD,

I was wondering if your plugin's latest version solves a problem that I've 
experienced when using TW via the mobile browser (chrome). Trying to write 
something in the editor on mobile usually brings up a javascript error 
(setting data to null). Is this experienced by others or is it just me?

Regards.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:49:23 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems to 
> be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something. 
>
> Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself and 
> tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This problem 
> seems to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle ground, the 
> Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop shadows 
> disappearing)
>
> I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.
>
> If there are ideas, please let me know :)
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to 
>> auto-hide the sidebar as well. 
>>
>> My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 
>>
>> 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
>> 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
>> 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
>> margin.
>>
>> The behavior can be seen in this gif:
>>
>> https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
>>
>>
>> An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
>> window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
>> my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
>> I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
>> in". 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
>>> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
>>> restore.
>>>
>>> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>>>
>>> -- Mark
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:

 Hey JD,

 Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
 rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up 
 taking 
 over everything. 

 On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>
> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using 
> / 
> discovering TW5.)
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>
> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer 
> post (for backup)
> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is 
>> now exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs 
>> or 
>> if anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always 
>> welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW 
>> itself was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls 
>>   area*, or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at 
>>topbar *controls area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the 
>>first tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>>stylesheet option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler 

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hello, I tried slowly resizing my browser window, and yep, there seems to 
be a completely different "Sidebar break point" or something. 

Interesting to note that I tried doing this on tiddlywiki.com itself and 
tiddlywiki.com/empty.html without installing the plugin. This problem seems 
to be a core one (I noticed that at this strange, middle ground, the 
Vanilla theme isn't applied, evidenced by the tiddler drop shadows 
disappearing)

I wonder what this middle breakpoint is, and how to properly style it.

If there are ideas, please let me know :)


On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to auto-hide 
> the sidebar as well. 
>
> My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 
>
> 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
> 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
> 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
> margin.
>
> The behavior can be seen in this gif:
>
> https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
>
>
> An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
> window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
> my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
> I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
> in". 
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
>> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
>> restore.
>>
>> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey JD,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
>>> rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up taking 
>>> over everything. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:

 Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
 update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using / 
 discovering TW5.)

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)

 *Changelog:*

- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
- Cleaned up config tiddler
- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes

 Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer 
 post (for backup)
 Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post



 On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
> things) remains unrealized. 
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is 
> now exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or 
> if anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always 
> welcome. 
>
> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>
> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls 
>   area*, or hidden
>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at 
>topbar *controls area* and *titlebar*
>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the 
>first tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>stylesheet option)
>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>- 
>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>
> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
>> here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android 

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Oh my. That small, white one is totally new to me, I can only guess where 
that came from. If it's not too bothersome, can you post another gif where 
there are also open tiddlers in the story river, empty, or drafts? I'd like 
to know how open tiddlers look like when this problem occurs.

To clarify, the plugin doesn't create a separate sidebar, it just styles 
the current one via a stylesheet tiddler... So i'm guessing this is a bug 
in the plugin stylesheet, or maybe it has something to do with what your 
browser considers a mobile layout and what is actually set in the *Sidebar 
Breakpoint* of your TW5. 

...And now I'm thinking, it might be better to hide the core sidebar and 
create a completely new one instead (although this seems inefficient and 
unwise)...

If there are other ideas for the root cause of the problem, and perhaps an 
idea for a solution, let me know :)

In Japan, we call this "saihatsu boushi"



On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:58:55 AM UTC+9, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to auto-hide 
> the sidebar as well. 
>
> My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 
>
> 1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
> 2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
> 3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
> margin.
>
> The behavior can be seen in this gif:
>
> https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif
>
>
> An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a 
> window manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize 
> my windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. 
> I have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick 
> in". 
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
>> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
>> restore.
>>
>> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>>
>> -- Mark
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey JD,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
>>> rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up taking 
>>> over everything. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:

 Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
 update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using / 
 discovering TW5.)

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)

 *Changelog:*

- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
- Cleaned up config tiddler
- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes

 Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer 
 post (for backup)
 Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post



 On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
> things) remains unrealized. 
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is 
> now exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or 
> if anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always 
> welcome. 
>
> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>
> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls 
>   area*, or hidden
>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at 
>topbar *controls area* and *titlebar*
>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the 
>first tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>stylesheet option)
>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>- 
>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>
> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>
>
> On Sunday, October 

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Diego Mesa]

Thanks Mark - I did notice that, and I saw the tb5 link above to auto-hide 
the sidebar as well. 

My problem is that there seems to be 3 sidebar states: 

1. The default sidebar when my window is normal size
2. The mobile sidebar created by this plugin
3. A strange "middle state" that is white that appears for a very small 
margin.

The behavior can be seen in this gif:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLlm8SRZydLLnIA/giphy.gif


An interesting (though nonrelated?) issue I'm having is that I use a window 
manager (lua script running in hammerspoon) to automatically resize my 
windows. When I resize my TW browser window, the theme does not update. I 
have to manually wiggle the window size to get the new layout to "kick in". 


On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:53:41 PM UTC-6, Mark S. wrote:
>
> On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
> happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
> restore.
>
> Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.
>
> -- Mark
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey JD,
>>
>> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
>> rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up taking 
>> over everything. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
>>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using / 
>>> discovering TW5.)
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>>>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>>>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>>>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>>>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>>>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>>>
>>> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer post 
>>> (for backup)
>>> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:

 Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
 completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
 things) remains unrealized. 

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
 exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
 anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 

 (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
 was upgraded to 5.1.15)

 Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!

 *Changelog:*

- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
   or hidden
   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at 
topbar *controls area* and *titlebar*
- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the 
first tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
stylesheet option)
- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
- 
- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15

 I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup


 On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
> here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, 
> which is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>


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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On a small screen, if you have the double chevron clicked, that is what 
happens. Just click the double chevron again (lower right corner) to 
restore.

Apologies if this is not the problem you are describing.

-- Mark

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10:48:59 AM UTC-8, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey JD,
>
> Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
> rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up taking 
> over everything. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
>> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using / 
>> discovering TW5.)
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>>
>> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer post 
>> (for backup)
>> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>>
>>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>>
>>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>>   or hidden
>>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>>> *controls 
>>>area* and *titlebar*
>>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>>> stylesheet 
>>>option)
>>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>>- 
>>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>>
>>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:

 Hello everyone :)

 I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
 finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
 here:

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
 is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 

 I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
 things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
 I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
 tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)

 I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 

>>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Diego Mesa]

Hey JD,

Thanks for this! On my TW, Im not sure why, but this is causing strange 
rendering where basically my sidebar isn't behaving well and ends up taking 
over everything. 

On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:31:14 AM UTC-6, JD wrote:
>
> Hi, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.2*, what is possibly the last 
> update for a long while (I will now return to my lair and focus on using / 
> discovering TW5.)
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> Thanks, everyone, for welcoming my stuff :)
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Added *Larger*, *Largest*, and *Smallest* options to font sizes
>- Added *Mobbuttons* option to topbar and bottombar
>- Added options to topbar and bottombar configurations
>- Added button to config modal (can be turned on or off)
>- Cleaned up config tiddler
>- Cleaned up code and other bugfixes
>
> Versions *0.9.9* and *1.0.0* are attached to my previous announcer post 
> (for backup)
> Version *1.0.2* is attached to this post
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 2:07:04 AM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>   or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>> *controls 
>>area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>> stylesheet 
>>option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>
>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Yeah, this plugin just reacts to the screen being narrowed and doesn't 
really set visibility-tiddlers. Thanks for the tb5 link!

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 11:08:38 AM UTC+9, FFT wrote:
>
> I found two solutions:
>
>
>1. "Create a tiddler called $:/state/sidebar and give it the text 
>"no". Or just save the wiki while the sidebar is hidden" : 
>https://groups.google.com/d/msg/Tiddlywiki/bkdncOadqZg/mAoUbLrSHLUJ 
>2. Full-proof method: 
>https://tobibeer.github.io/tb5/#Hiding%20The%20Sidebar%20On%20Startup
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to have it default to showing my tiddlers instead of it 
>> currently defaulting to showing the sidebar?
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>> If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then 
>>> click on it to see your tiddlers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:

 After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead 
 of showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?

 On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
> here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, 
> which is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>


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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hey, thanks! :)

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 1:55:09 AM UTC+9, Abraham Samma wrote:
>
> Wow, where has this been all my life? Kudos JD. Your plugin is IMHO the 
> best thing that can happen to TW5!
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 5:04:06 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[FFT]

I found the answer via a previous posting by Jeremy:

"Create a tiddler called $:/state/sidebar and give it the text "no". Or 
just save the wiki while the sidebar is hidden"

link to Jeremy's answer: 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/Tiddlywiki/bkdncOadqZg/mAoUbLrSHLUJ

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:40:45 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>
> Is there a way to have it default to showing my tiddlers instead of it 
> currently defaulting to showing the sidebar?
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then 
>> click on it to see your tiddlers.
>>
>> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>>>
>>> After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
>>> showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:

 Hello everyone :)

 I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
 finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
 here:

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
 is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 

 I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
 things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
 I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
 tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)

 I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 

>>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[FFT]

Is there a way to have it default to showing my tiddlers instead of it 
currently defaulting to showing the sidebar?

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:22:18 PM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then 
> click on it to see your tiddlers.
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>>
>> After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
>> showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If there's a little double arrow >> in the lower right hand side then click 
on it to see your tiddlers.

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 4:42:05 PM UTC-8, FFT wrote:
>
> After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
> showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[FFT]

After installing this, on mobile, my site goes to the sidebar instead of 
showing my default tiddler. Is there something I'm missing?

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Abraham Samma]

Wow, where has this been all my life? Kudos JD. Your plugin is IMHO the 
best thing that can happen to TW5!

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 5:04:06 PM UTC+3, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Oh! I see. I didn't realize I needed to regenerate a table to get custom 
values. The custom values can be plugged in without increasing the icon 
size (I think). So that's great!

Thanks!
Mark

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 3:58:17 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>
> Sure, I'll add another font-increase level for 1.0.1 :)
>
> For the meantime, is 'Customize fonts and heights' not working properly in 
> your browser? I've only ever tested this plugin on Chrome and IE so I've no 
> idea if other browsers have compatibility issues
>
> Also, I'll look into that fullscreen bug. I tried replicating that problem 
> on Chrome for Android and yep, there's a bug! This might be due to a 
> missing syntax in a plugin tiddler somewhere... 
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:02:02 AM UTC+9, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Hello JD,
>>
>> It's looking very nice!
>>
>> On my aging tablet, there seems to be a bug. I have it on the highest 
>> font level. When I press the "full-screen" button, the scrolling works 
>> great and I no longer have that annoying flicker at the top as the url bar 
>> scrolls down. BUT -- I can't change back by hitting the full-screen button 
>> again. All the buttons on the bottom seem to be turned off except save and 
>> new tiddler. If I save and then scroll down a little a blank opens at the 
>> top of the screen and then I can activate the full-screen button.
>>
>> Is there any possibility you could add one more level of font-increase? 
>> (He says groping around the desk for a pair of glasses that was just there 
>> a minute ago...)
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>>
>>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>>
>>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>>
>>> *Changelog:*
>>>
>>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>>   or hidden
>>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>>> *controls 
>>>area* and *titlebar*
>>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>>> stylesheet 
>>>option)
>>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>>- 
>>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>>
>>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:

 Hello everyone :)

 I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
 finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed 
 here:

 http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/

 It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
 is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 

 I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
 things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
 I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
 tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)

 I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 

>>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Sure, I'll add another font-increase level for 1.0.1 :)

For the meantime, is 'Customize fonts and heights' not working properly in 
your browser? I've only ever tested this plugin on Chrome and IE so I've no 
idea if other browsers have compatibility issues

Also, I'll look into that fullscreen bug. I tried replicating that problem 
on Chrome for Android and yep, there's a bug! This might be due to a 
missing syntax in a plugin tiddler somewhere... 



On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 9:02:02 AM UTC+9, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hello JD,
>
> It's looking very nice!
>
> On my aging tablet, there seems to be a bug. I have it on the highest font 
> level. When I press the "full-screen" button, the scrolling works great and 
> I no longer have that annoying flicker at the top as the url bar scrolls 
> down. BUT -- I can't change back by hitting the full-screen button again. 
> All the buttons on the bottom seem to be turned off except save and new 
> tiddler. If I save and then scroll down a little a blank opens at the top 
> of the screen and then I can activate the full-screen button.
>
> Is there any possibility you could add one more level of font-increase? 
> (He says groping around the desk for a pair of glasses that was just there 
> a minute ago...)
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>   or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>> *controls 
>>area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>> stylesheet 
>>option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>
>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Seems like there might be a missing syntax in a tiddler somewhere, i'll 
check each of them again! Any idea on the bug origin? 

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:00:02 AM UTC+9, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> I've not upgraded that one yet so it's 5.1.14

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Hello JD,

It's looking very nice!

On my aging tablet, there seems to be a bug. I have it on the highest font 
level. When I press the "full-screen" button, the scrolling works great and 
I no longer have that annoying flicker at the top as the url bar scrolls 
down. BUT -- I can't change back by hitting the full-screen button again. 
All the buttons on the bottom seem to be turned off except save and new 
tiddler. If I save and then scroll down a little a blank opens at the top 
of the screen and then I can activate the full-screen button.

Is there any possibility you could add one more level of font-increase? (He 
says groping around the desk for a pair of glasses that was just there a 
minute ago...)

Thanks!
Mark

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:07:04 AM UTC-8, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
> things) remains unrealized. 
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>
> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself was 
> upgraded to 5.1.15)
>
> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>   or hidden
>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
> *controls 
>area* and *titlebar*
>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a stylesheet 
>option)
>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>- 
>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>
> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Ste Wilson]

I've not upgraded that one yet so it's 5.1.14

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hey, thanks for the feedback! Yes, I  wanted to use Riz's sidebar with 
this, but it seems I forgot to add " !important" to the "top" parameter of 
tc-sidebar-scrollable... I'll have this fixed by 1.0.1, which is probably 
tomorrow. Another: the search results of the simple-search is drawn behind 
the sidebar and vertical tab buttons. 

Regarding the search-for-themes bug, I want to replicate the issue to see 
what tiddler needs fixing, can I ask what edition you loaded the plugin 
into?  Loading it into Tiddlywiki.com and Tiddlywiki.com/empty.html isn't 
showing that search-for-themes bug for me. Thanks!



On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:30:47 PM UTC+9, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>
> Hi JD, 
> Just giving this a test.  Thoughts so far...it plays nicely with Riz's 
> sidebar, which is good :)
>
> The default (I.e. what I see after dragging the plugin and refreshing) on 
> mobile the initial refresh shoes a search for themes.  Closing it and 
> resaving on mobile seems to get rid of this. 
>
> On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:07:04 UTC, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
>> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
>> things) remains unrealized. 
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
>> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
>> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>>
>> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself 
>> was upgraded to 5.1.15)
>>
>> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>>
>> *Changelog:*
>>
>>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>>   or hidden
>>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
>> *controls 
>>area* and *titlebar*
>>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a 
>> stylesheet 
>>option)
>>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>>- 
>>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>>
>> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone :)
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>>
>>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>>
>>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>>
>>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>>
>>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>>
>>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Stephen Wilson]

Hi JD, 
Just giving this a test.  Thoughts so far...it plays nicely with Riz's 
sidebar, which is good :)

The default (I.e. what I see after dragging the plugin and refreshing) on 
mobile the initial refresh shoes a search for themes.  Closing it and 
resaving on mobile seems to get rid of this. 

On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 17:07:04 UTC, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've 
> completed my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related 
> things) remains unrealized. 
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
> exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
> anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 
>
> (I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself was 
> upgraded to 5.1.15)
>
> Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!
>
> *Changelog:*
>
>- Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
>- Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
>   - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, 
>   or hidden
>   - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
>- Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
>- Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
>- Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
> *controls 
>area* and *titlebar*
>- Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
>tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a stylesheet 
>option)
>- Overhauled the *config *tiddler
>- 
>- Cleaned up code and tiddler names
>- Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15
>
> I've attached version *0.9.9 *to this post for backup
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hello again, everyone, I've upgraded this plugin to *1.0.0* I've completed 
my personal *Future plans*, but my *Wishlist* (gesture-related things) 
remains unrealized. 

I'm going to slow down the development of this plugin because it is now 
exactly what I need it to be. I'll just update if I encounter bugs or if 
anybody needs me to. Suggestions and ideas, however, are always welcome. 

(I feel like I had nice timing: tiddlyspot worked again, and TW itself was 
upgraded to 5.1.15)

Many thanks to Riz and Jed Carty for inspiring me!

*Changelog:*

   - Abandoned custom *lists*, reverted to core *lists*
   - Added topbar and bottombar options (with preset combinations)
  - topbar: *combined searchbar*, or *titlebar*, or *controls area*, or 
  hidden
  - bottombar: *controls area*, or hidden
   - Added ability to adjust font sizes and button sizes
   - Added 'delete' filter button to *combined searchbar*
   - Introduced *simple searchbar* available as a button only at topbar 
*controls 
   area* and *titlebar*
   - Added ability to use an experiment on the story river so the first 
   tiddler in the story river won't scroll past the topbar (just a stylesheet 
   option)
   - Overhauled the *config *tiddler
   - 
   - Cleaned up code and tiddler names
   - Checked compatibility with TW5.1.15



On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Ste Wilson]

How odd. 
You can find it here
https://tesseract-index.bitbucket.io along with the rest of riz's amazingness. 

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Oh man, the link is returning an empty page with "File not found" for me :( 
But I've seen Riz's Ghost Writer before and it looks amazing! I've always 
thought it was above my skill level, though. 

If it's alright with Riz, I'd like to read through it, learn some and 
borrow code and stuff :)


On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 4:12:37 PM UTC+9, Ste Wilson wrote:
>
> Don't know if it's in anyway helpful but is Riz's side bar worth a look? 
> https://tesseract-index.bitbucket.io/sidebarplus/

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Ste Wilson]

Don't know if it's in anyway helpful but is Riz's side bar worth a look? 
https://tesseract-index.bitbucket.io/sidebarplus/

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Wow, thanks for letting me bite through this! I've seen this floating 
around during my forum searches, and playing with it was what actually made 
me realize the hackability of TW5. My only gripe was that it wasn't 
adaptive to screen width, which is what I've done with my rather spartan 
layout. I'm mostly mobile, but I've been using my laptop a lot lately, so 
adaptive layouting is quite important to me.

I'd like to ask how you managed to keep the title of the first tiddler in 
the story visible? With mine, the first tiddler in the story scrolls way up 
the top, as if there's no topbar there. 

Thanks again!


On Thursday, November 2, 2017 at 12:05:44 AM UTC+9, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> While they are designed for very different things, and I am no longer 
> trying to make this work with mobile devices because I gave up on using 
> them, you may be able to take some of how I made my theme customisable and 
> either pull out some code to use or just for inspiration. 
> http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/MobileTheme/
>
> I need to get a better name since now it has almost nothing to do with 
> mobile anything.
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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Jed Carty]

While they are designed for very different things, and I am no longer 
trying to make this work with mobile devices because I gave up on using 
them, you may be able to take some of how I made my theme customisable and 
either pull out some code to use or just for 
inspiration. http://ooktech.com/jed/ExampleWikis/MobileTheme/

I need to get a better name since now it has almost nothing to do with 
mobile anything.

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Thanks for the idea on the topbar search, I will definitely give it a try. 
Also, I've already begun work on the easy font-sizing, you can see it at 
the demo site  ("inspect" on 
Chrome is quite marvelous in that it allows me to easily find the specific 
parts of the html that I would like to play with). 

On the sidebar. I agree with you, like all of TW5, it is used differently 
by everyone. In its default state, it's comprised of the *Title*, *Subtitle*, 
*Page Controls*, *Searchbar*, and *Tabs*. Now, as *I* can't live without 
the *Page Controls*, *Searchbar*, and *Tabs *part of it, those are the only 
things I've included in the mobile layout, highlighted them, even. I can't, 
however, imagine that solves it for everyone, so I included the search 
options, and am planning to include bottombar options as well. 

Now, after receiving the idea for a swipe-activated sidebar, and already 
having search and controls fixed elsewhere, I only thought of the 
swipe-activated sidebar as containing the *Tabs* in its default state. 
That's because I wish only to manipulate the position/visibility of default 
elements, and not to add or subtract functions from them (besides 
completely hiding the *Title *and *Subtitle*). 

The option to further simplify/mobilize can be had. However, unless I make 
each change optionable, I don't think it will sit well with everybody. I 
might play with further ideas after the long holidays. Thanks for the food 
for thought!



On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 8:56:36 PM UTC+9, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao JD
>
> That work is seriously good because its mobile-centric. Current default 
> TW CSS is currently "mid-space", half-way between "universal" and "desktop" 
> -- tablet okay, mobile-phone not always so optimal.  
>
> I have a few comments (including opinions on design) that I hope may be 
> useful.
>
>  JD - Adjustable font sizes for view title, view body, edit title, and 
>> edit body (without affecting icon sizes)
>>
>
> Yes. I think its a serious issue. Having desktop font sizing in mobile is 
> a turn-off.
>
> Some weeks ago I asked in Google Groups about a button that could TOGGLE 
> between different CSS. This is a good example of where an up-front button 
> is preferable to having to wade into special settings files. Given that 
> "mobiles" come in variant screen sizes & resolutions *easy, upfront, 
> basic font setting is important*. 
>
>  JD - Topbar search hiding on scroll down, showing again on slight scroll 
>> up (like with modern mobile browsers)
>
>
> If you can't find a way to do exactly like you want an alternative is to 
> reduce the search bar to just a line of 4 or 5 pixels (using CSS) the drops 
> down on hover.
>
> JD - Swipe from edge for sidebar lists
>
>
> Not quite sure you will understand me when I say: though the principle of 
> this is really good there is an underlying quite complex issue. The issue 
> being that mobiles are NOT desktops. Its not just about design, its also 
> about "semantics". Mobiles are fundamentally limited in what can be shown 
> on-screen at the same time and that CHANGES visual semantics. 
>
> So, IMO, this aspect is not so much about gizmos as understanding what is 
> the MINIMAL info an overlaid menu should show? Obviously you don't wanna 
> get into controlling folk's menu (sidebar) content, but the scope of WHAT 
> is in the "sidebar" (on mobile its "full-screen") kinda matters.
>
> All that said. A really great step for TW IMO.
>
> Very best wishes
> Josiah
>

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 8:56:36 PM UTC+9, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao JD
>
> That work is seriously good because its mobile-centric. Current default 
> TW CSS is currently "mid-space", half-way between "universal" and "desktop" 
> -- tablet okay, mobile-phone not always so optimal.  
>
> I have a few comments (including opinions on design) that I hope may be 
> useful.
>
>  JD - Adjustable font sizes for view title, view body, edit title, and 
>> edit body (without affecting icon sizes)
>>
>
> Yes. I think its a serious issue. Having desktop font sizing in mobile is 
> a turn-off.
>
> Some weeks ago I asked in Google Groups about a button that could TOGGLE 
> between different CSS. This is a good example of where an up-front button 
> is preferable to having to wade into special settings files. Given that 
> "mobiles" come in variant screen sizes & resolutions *easy, upfront, 
> basic font setting is important*. 
>
>  JD - Topbar search hiding on scroll down, showing again on slight scroll 
>> up (like with modern mobile browsers)
>
>
> If you can't find a way to do exactly like you want an alternative is to 
> reduce the search bar to just a line of 4 or 5 pixels (using CSS) the drops 
> down on hover.
>
> JD - Swipe from edge for sidebar lists
>
>
> Not quite sure you will understand me when I say: though the principle of 
> this is really good there is an underlying quite complex issue. The issue 
> being 

[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao JD

That work is seriously good because its mobile-centric. Current default TW 
CSS is currently "mid-space", half-way between "universal" and "desktop" -- 
tablet okay, mobile-phone not always so optimal.  

I have a few comments (including opinions on design) that I hope may be 
useful.

 JD - Adjustable font sizes for view title, view body, edit title, and edit 
> body (without affecting icon sizes)
>

Yes. I think its a serious issue. Having desktop font sizing in mobile is a 
turn-off.

Some weeks ago I asked in Google Groups about a button that could TOGGLE 
between different CSS. This is a good example of where an up-front button 
is preferable to having to wade into special settings files. Given that 
"mobiles" come in variant screen sizes & resolutions *easy, upfront, basic 
font setting is important*. 

 JD - Topbar search hiding on scroll down, showing again on slight scroll 
> up (like with modern mobile browsers)


If you can't find a way to do exactly like you want an alternative is to 
reduce the search bar to just a line of 4 or 5 pixels (using CSS) the drops 
down on hover.

JD - Swipe from edge for sidebar lists


Not quite sure you will understand me when I say: though the principle of 
this is really good there is an underlying quite complex issue. The issue 
being that mobiles are NOT desktops. Its not just about design, its also 
about "semantics". Mobiles are fundamentally limited in what can be shown 
on-screen at the same time and that CHANGES visual semantics. 

So, IMO, this aspect is not so much about gizmos as understanding what is 
the MINIMAL info an overlaid menu should show? Obviously you don't wanna 
get into controlling folk's menu (sidebar) content, but the scope of WHAT 
is in the "sidebar" (on mobile its "full-screen") kinda matters.

All that said. A really great step for TW IMO.

Very best wishes
Josiah

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Dave Gifford - http://www.giffmex.org/]

Nice!

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 10:04:06 AM UTC-4, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Duarte Farrajota Ramos]

That sounds lovely, especially the wishlist part :)
Great work, this will make my trip a lot more pleasant, many thanks

On Monday, 30 October 2017 17:35:35 UTC, JD wrote:
>
> Hello again, everyone. JD here.
>
> I've packaged the mobile layout into a plugin that can be turned on or off 
> at the Control Panel. 
>
> The demo site is now updated here: http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>   
>
> Also, I'm very sorry to report this, but I spotted a few mistakes during 
> pre-packing review!!! (Also cleaned the tiddlers up a bit)
>
>- *$:/plugins/jd/mob/pagecontrols*
>   - There were missing ending brackets for the filters for Top Right 
>   Bar and Top Left Bar buttons (!!)
>   - Updated this to also show buttons tagged with 
>   *$:/jd/tags/mobbutton*
>- 
> *$:/plugins/jd/mob/button/lists *
>   - Now tagged with *$:/jd/tags/mobbutton* so it would show up at the 
>   Bottombar without needing a span class
>- *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/main*
>- Updated to remove now-unused span class
>- *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/scrollhide*
>- Corrected @media class 
>- *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/scrollshow*
>- Same as above
>- *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/searchfixed*
>- Same as above
>
> Sorry guys, apparently I had a lot of brain farts. 
>
> *Future plans:*
>
>- Adjustable font sizes for view title, view body, edit title, and 
>edit body (without affecting icon sizes)
>- Option for topbar with control buttons, including search and lists 
>menu buttons
>- Option to hide bottombar (in lieu of above)
>
> *Wishlist*
> (Unlikely to happen soon if I have to learn javascript for it)
>
>- Swipe from edge for sidebar lists
>- Topbar search hiding on scroll down, showing again on slight scroll 
>up (like with modern mobile browsers)
>
> So far, that's all. I shall now return to lurking. :)
>
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Hello again, everyone. JD here.

I've packaged the mobile layout into a plugin that can be turned on or off 
at the Control Panel. 

The demo site is now updated here: http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/  

Also, I'm very sorry to report this, but I spotted a few mistakes during 
pre-packing review!!! (Also cleaned the tiddlers up a bit)

   - *$:/plugins/jd/mob/pagecontrols*
  - There were missing ending brackets for the filters for Top Right 
  Bar and Top Left Bar buttons (!!)
  - Updated this to also show buttons tagged with *$:/jd/tags/mobbutton*
   - 
*$:/plugins/jd/mob/button/lists *
  - Now tagged with *$:/jd/tags/mobbutton* so it would show up at the 
  Bottombar without needing a span class
   - *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/main*
   - Updated to remove now-unused span class
   - *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/scrollhide*
   - Corrected @media class 
   - *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/scrollshow*
   - Same as above
   - *$:/plugins/jd/mob/Stylesheet/searchfixed*
   - Same as above
   
Sorry guys, apparently I had a lot of brain farts. 

*Future plans:*

   - Adjustable font sizes for view title, view body, edit title, and edit 
   body (without affecting icon sizes)
   - Option for topbar with control buttons, including search and lists 
   menu buttons
   - Option to hide bottombar (in lieu of above)

*Wishlist*
(Unlikely to happen soon if I have to learn javascript for it)

   - Swipe from edge for sidebar lists
   - Topbar search hiding on scroll down, showing again on slight scroll up 
   (like with modern mobile browsers)

So far, that's all. I shall now return to lurking. :)


On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

I also want that! Right now, however, it seems like something that needs 
Javascript (swiping, gestures). Before I give in to my curiosity and learn 
that script, too, I first would like to exhaust all basic possibilities 
(with regards to styling and such). 

I'm inspired by Mat's Leftbar (http://leftbar.tiddlyspot.com/), where you 
can hover on the left edge of the window and the Leftbar menu will appear. 
On mobile, it goes by clicking on the left edge. The Leftbar plugin works 
with the mobile layout so while I still haven't integrated it cleanly yet, 
please try it out. However, I found that for the two to work properly, I 
had to first close the Leftbar menu via the hamburger button while in 
desktop layout, before entering the mobile layout (the hamburger button is 
drawn below the mobile searchbar and is unclickable). Or just have the top 
bar turned off completely (doable via the control panel tab)

I'll play with this idea after Halloween. Cheers!

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 2:25:34 PM UTC+9, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:
>
> Feature req: Can we have an option to display sidebar by swiping from 
>> edges?
>>
>
> I'd second that very much, although I am assuming this is not trivial to 
> implement. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Oh my, yes, I also found that frustrating (font sizing), especially since 
I'm still in the process of learning these scripts. I tried playing with it 
at first, enlargening fonts and stuff, but then I got used to the small 
font and forgot about what I originally wanted. Now that I'm reminded, 
however, I might get back to playing with it after the long Halloween 
vacation. 

Before hard-writing the font size into the CSS, however, I would first like 
to play around and find a way to make that user-adjustable. This is 
something I've wanted for so long: an easy way to adjust these four 
things:  view mode tiddler title, view mode tiddler body, edit mode tiddler 
title, and edit mode tiddler body (all independent from each other and 
everything else, i.e., they won't affect icon sizes). I guess I have to 
learn more about tiddler fields and their manipulation via transclusion. 
Again, all of those are after Halloween. Thanks for the idea!

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 10:20:45 AM UTC+9, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Hi JD,
>
> It's a very attractive layout.
>
> My problem, as with all mobile layouts, is that it doesn't play nice if 
> you try to enlarge it.
>
> If you zoom the text, the text goes offscreen and you now have to scroll 
> horizontal.
>
> If you increase the tiddler body font size and line height (which is a 
> real pain, BTW), the tiddlers will be larger but not the edit text. The 
> edit text is unfortunately tied to the font size. 
>
> If you increase the font size, the icons on your bottom tool bar also 
> increase. On mine, I can then no longer edit text and see it at the same 
> time because the icons sit on top of the keyboard and block the text. (font 
> size 26)
>
> I guess what I need is a way to increase edit font size without increasing 
> icons and other text. Why the edit text font size was tied to the main 
> font-size and not the tiddler font size is a mystery.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 7:04:06 AM UTC-7, JD wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone :)
>>
>> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
>> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>>
>> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>>
>> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which 
>> is what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>>
>> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only 
>> things I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what 
>> I've at the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected 
>> tiddlers, and for my own improvement :)
>>
>> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>>
>
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Duarte Farrajota Ramos]

>
> Feature req: Can we have an option to display sidebar by swiping from 
> edges?
>

I'd second that very much, although I am assuming this is not trivial to 
implement. 

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[JD]

Wow, thanks for the feedback, everyone! If you come across problems with 
the layout, please let me know :)

Also, as Måns suggested, I will bundle this into a plugin tonight after 
work (that's probably 10 hours from now)... I didn't do that beforehand 
because, well, I didn't know how yet. I will read about Tinka plugin 
tonight :)


On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 11:04:06 PM UTC+9, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Duarte Farrajota Ramos]

Hey man this is actually pretty good, much more functional on mobile than 
the default vanilla theme solution!
I've got a long trip coming up, gonna do a lot of tiddlywiki-ing on the 
move in a mobile in the coming weeks, this just came up with the most 
perfect timing!

Many thanks for sharing, definitely gonna give it a try.



On Sunday, 29 October 2017 14:04:06 UTC, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[Måns]

Hi JD

Very beautiful and very practical. 
Thank you very much for sharing it!!
Works great on an iPad mini and a very small iPhone 5 too :-)

I've put it into use here already: ACPAD Studies 


It might be nice if it was bundled like a plugin and could be toggled 
on/off in the plugin's controlpanel?
Just a thought..

Cheers Måns Mårtensson

Den søndag den 29. oktober 2017 kl. 15.04.06 UTC+1 skrev JD:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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[tw] Re: Presenting my simple mobile layout...

[@TiddlyTweeter]

A neat design that works for me on PC (narrowed) & Android phone. 

Good stuff!

Josiah

On Sunday, 29 October 2017 15:04:06 UTC+1, JD wrote:
>
> Hello everyone :)
>
> I've been lurking here for quite a while now, and only joined after 
> finally having the guts to share with you my TW5 customization, demoed here:
>
> http://j.d.simplemobile.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> It's a mobile layout based on the looks of modern Android Chrome, which is 
> what I usually browse with at night or during commute. 
>
> I know nothing beyond HTML and CSS, and as such, those are the only things 
> I used with the layout. If there are better ways to go about what I've at 
> the demo site, please let me know so I can update the affected tiddlers, 
> and for my own improvement :)
>
> I'm actually kinda proud of it, please take a look around. 
>

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