[tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Thomas Elmiger]

Just for the record: 

 it uses the display:none css on a div if I'm reading it right
>

This is true, but it is important to note, that while the content is not 
revealed and the display:none css is active, the respective HTML node is 
EMPTY like the  in 



when the content is revealed, the node is filled using Javascript as stated 
above and would look like this: 


   This is the revealed content
   And this is some text


So the strength of  reveal lies in hiding content, e.g. the solution of a 
test – you cannot peek into the solution by looking at the HTML code. 

An HTML summary details combination would always keep the hidden content 
ready in the HTML. No Javascript needed.

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[tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[A Gloom]

>
> I'd really like to incorporate the <$reveal> functionality, which is 
> probalby html5? this is pretty much out of my league. And I have a few 
> hours...(I can always relaunch it monday...)


Just studied the system reveal js tiddler recently-- reveal uses html but 
not a direct correlation to a html "tag" like $button widget = html 
, but it uses the display:none css on a div if I'm reading it right

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Re: [tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Thomas Elmiger]

Hi Steve,

I don’t know what Mat is referring to, but I mentioned Glitch a few times 
here, where you can publish a TW and reserve writing access for yourself or 
others knowing the credentials. The quickest way to set up a live TW for 
the web. 

https://nota-bene.glitch.me/ is my personal set-up documentation, only a 
few steps to follow. 

Points that might be on the negative side: 

   - yourname.glitch.me domain
   - goes to sleep when not used

Positive: near-live updates for people watching, whe you edit.

Examples: https://telmiger.glitch.me/ (some personal notes), 
https://bitsnpieces.glitch.me/ (thoughts about TiddlyWiki)

=== 

Another solution I can think of: Maybe you can publish (upload) documents 
to your blog: Why not upload a TW.html file? If it is only text information 
it should load fast, even if the file size looks big as most servers 
compress files they send to the browser. 

===

Regarding the (maybe) main point of your OT: the reveal widget uses 
Javascript to insert/remove elements dynamically into/from the document. So 
that would not be easy to copy over to a blog.

As an alternative you could use my Details plugin 
 – 
it produces an HTML 5 details-summary construct that can visually hide and 
show content that is always present. (The browser can handle it without 
Javascript). The resulting HTML can be copied over to another CMS and will 
probably not look the same but still work in most modern browsers. (Other 
will present the content in open state as they don’t understand the tags.)

I hope this helps.

All the best to you and your students!
Thomas



Am Sonntag, 8. März 2020 20:18:05 UTC+1 schrieb Mat:
>
> I think someone very recently published or maybe just linked to some kind 
> of public no-write edition. Hopefully someone will fill in what I'm 
> referring to here.
>
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[tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[HC Haase]

There is also the readonly theme from the official plugin theme tab. it is 
good at hiding edit buttons, but you may to hide the save button also.

for saving when the save button is hidden. use alt+s keyboard shortcut

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[tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Grigor]

While far from being certain that this is the best way… All I do is put a 
minus sign in front of the filter contained in: 

$:/config/SaverFilter 


-[all[]] -$:/HistoryList -$:/StoryList -$:/Import -$:/isEncrypted -$:/
UploadName -[prefix[$:/state/]] -[prefix[$:/temp/]]

And I also simply hide (usually) all buttons…

Then I save by opening this tiddler:

$:/core/ui/Buttons/save-wiki 


And I do all of the above NOT in my main wiki file but on a copy of it (eg 
index.html), which I then publish for the world to ponder…

HTH -g-

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Re: [tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[TonyM]

Steven,

Your time limited requirement here does suggest we should have a ready to 
publish read only edition for use. Perhaps I can throw one together.

Just hiding many of the toolbar buttons which some call a read only view, 
turning off autosave and changing the filter in $:/config/SaverFilter may 
go a long way to what you are looking for. see 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#SavingMechanism you can change this filter so the 
save icon which you hide never turns red.

If you think the infinite story confuses people consider using a different 
story view, provide menus and install $:/plugins/wikilabs/link-to-tabs to 
add tabs at the top so people can locate multiple tiddlers that are open

Also close the side bar before saving to publish, the trick is to have a 
save button available in the menus or a hidden tiddler so you can make the 
wiki wysiwyg before saving to publish.

I have a tiddler I set to designermode = no then use this to switch off 
items through out the wiki for publishing. 

Regards
Tony

On Monday, March 9, 2020 at 5:42:17 AM UTC+11, Steven Schneider wrote:
>
> Thanks, Mat. 
>
> I need a simple html web page [ though it can have javascript etc. 
> Tiddlywiki gets  cranky sometimes when user leaves the page and asks for a 
> save (probably an option i could turn off). it's ok for office hours, but 
> this is a highly visible and scrutinized effort, and must be flawless. I 
> guess I've needed a better "public facing web page interface only" theme, 
> but didn't get to getting it together. Perhaps that's the better way to go. 
>
> My immediate goal is to write in a tiddler <$appear show="How to find your 
> class online">This is how you find our class online, using the 
> <$appear> plugin, and then export-tiddler-as html, and have the 
> functionality present such that, you get that little functionality i see 
> all over the web. 
>
> I'm so spoiled by TW I have no idea how folks exist in the real world of 
> html. 
>
> //steve.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:32 PM Mat > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hiya professor Steve. 
>> Sharing in what type of forum? e-mail? Any webpage? Official faculty 
>> website? A common drive storage? RSS?... And you say "I think I've got a 
>> way to live-publish" - what do you mean?
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Mat]

I think someone very recently published or maybe just linked to some kind 
of public no-write edition. Hopefully someone will fill in what I'm 
referring to here.

I'm not really familiar with the appear-plugin but I'm interpreting it to 
be something that works in a static wiki/tiddler.

But, yeah, it sounds like a simple solution to have a single static tiddler 
that simply "grows" for each update. What would be the drawbacks with this?

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Steven Schneider]

Thanks, Mat.

I need a simple html web page [ though it can have javascript etc.
Tiddlywiki gets  cranky sometimes when user leaves the page and asks for a
save (probably an option i could turn off). it's ok for office hours, but
this is a highly visible and scrutinized effort, and must be flawless. I
guess I've needed a better "public facing web page interface only" theme,
but didn't get to getting it together. Perhaps that's the better way to go.

My immediate goal is to write in a tiddler <$appear show="How to find your
class online">This is how you find our class online, using the
<$appear> plugin, and then export-tiddler-as html, and have the
functionality present such that, you get that little functionality i see
all over the web.

I'm so spoiled by TW I have no idea how folks exist in the real world of
html.

//steve.



On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 2:32 PM Mat  wrote:

> Hiya professor Steve.
> Sharing in what type of forum? e-mail? Any webpage? Official faculty
> website? A common drive storage? RSS?... And you say "I think I've got a
> way to live-publish" - what do you mean?
>
> <:-)
>
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[tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

[Mat]

Hiya professor Steve. 
Sharing in what type of forum? e-mail? Any webpage? Official faculty 
website? A common drive storage? RSS?... And you say "I think I've got a 
way to live-publish" - what do you mean?

<:-)



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