Re: [tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

[Aidan Grey]

>
> Rather than start altering the layout perhaps you can create a tiddler for
> viewing other tiddlers that contain the text. You can then use fluid story
> fixed sidebar, with the sidebar closed to see a wide tiddler that contains
> your two page layout, you custom background and various icons. Once
> complete it could be redesigned as a new layout if necessary but to me a
> view tiddler is better because then your "reader" could be used in any
> tiddler and wiki.


A mockup is a great idea! I'll get drawing or something...

And a "view tiddler": if it provides me with the  view I am asking for,
then I'd be happy as a clam. Can you edit a tiddler directly though the
view tiddler, or is it just a transclusion?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:40 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> On reviewing your requirements, a little more clarity and perhaps a mock
> up would help.
>
> Rather than start altering the layout perhaps you can create a tiddler for
> viewing other tiddlers that contain the text. You can then use fluid story
> fixed sidebar, with the sidebar closed to see a wide tiddler that contains
> your two page layout, you custom background and various icons. Once
> complete it could be redesigned as a new layout if necessary but to me a
> view tiddler is better because then your "reader" could be used in any
> tiddler and wiki.
>
> Tones
>
> On Sunday, 20 December 2020 at 03:06:00 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> >> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are
>> you requiring from this new theme?
>>
>> My  experience historically has been not so great - I think this is the
>> third time? I've done what I can on my own, but I also  gave up on a lot of
>> ideas, as just way outside my expertise.
>>
>> I guess I have two main ideas, both build off of / reflect things that
>> others have asked for or suggested. I thought that maybe supporting
>> someone's time money wise might be appreciated. At any rate, here's what
>> I'm looking for:
>>
>> 1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our
>> colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include
>> some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
>>
>> 2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my
>> original thoughts again - the manuscript!
>> * a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as
>> needed depending on browser width
>> * the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with
>> some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
>> * "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
>> * editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
>> * There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
>> IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons
>> (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka
>> chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as
>> static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to
>> have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for
>> quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)
>> IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on
>> the inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the
>> bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers
>> * Clicking on bookmark takes you to "front page" - that has the main tool
>> tabs (Search / Open / Recent / Tools / etc.) and the TOC
>> * Layout on front page with bookmark would be, from right to left (or
>> left to right?),  with TOC,  on top layer of right
>> page with buttons as normal at top, and buttons for the various "tabs" in
>> normal layouts, and then the rest of the right page   "behind" the
>> bookmark, which would show all the other details - the tools list and
>> buttons, the open tiddlers, and so on.
>>
>> I know I'm going overboard with the aesthetic functionality here, but...
>> I do have reasons, it doesn't hurt to list off all the hopes, no matter
>> what, and I think it would make for an awesome website
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:33 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>>
>>> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you
>>> requiring from this new theme?
>>>
>>> In the pre-release there is a way to change layouts if you have more
>>> than one, ie the structure, but otherwise themes usually consist of colour
>>> pallets and css tweaking of existing elements.
>>>
>>> There is a reasonable chance this can be accomplished by the community
>>> helping you.
>>>
>>> Tones
>>> On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 08:54:20 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Would anyone be up for designing a TiddlyWiki theme, that:
 1) I would pay for your time
 2) Would be free to the community once done

 If _anyone_ is interested, I will share my needs. But historically,
 it's been a big 

Re: [tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

[Aidan Grey]

Hello again!

Well, to be fair, you only posted details 4 days ago, and in the West, it's
> only 2 days from Christmas. People not locked down by Covid may be
> travelling, and people that are locked down are probably dealing with a lot
> of disruption.


True that - I had forgotten about the potential impact of the holidays.
That said, it's not been all that different from past experience, with the
exception of MORE engagement! So, thanks to you for the comments and
getting more involvement :)


>
>> 1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our
>>> colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include
>>> some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
>>> That sounds doable. I'm surprised someone hasn't already done it. I
>>> think only a human will be able to see whether the uncommon bits are
>>> visible. I guess the display could show examples of most of the usages, so
>>> they could be tweaked on the spot before applying. Maybe someone will pop
>>> up with "that's already been done!"
>>
>>
Not done, that I know of, but it has been requested by others. I think it
would make a huge difference in terms of theme development, at least from
the color side.

2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my
>> original thoughts again - the manuscript!
>> * a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as
>> needed depending on browser width
>>
> * the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with
>> some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
>>
> * "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
>> * editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
>> * There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
>> IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons
>> (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka
>> chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as
>> static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to
>> have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for
>> quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)
>> IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on
>> the inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the
>> bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers
>>
>
Putting a bookmark in the *sidebar* for idea #2 sounds doable. Or were you
> thinking of getting rid of the sidebar? Like a complete re-arrangement of
> elements?


The latter - rearrange the elements altogether. Sidebar components would be
moved to the right page of the book, to the bookmark, or to the "tabs"...

Tones has requested a mock up, and I think that's a great idea working
on it



On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 12:51 PM 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 10:25:56 AM UTC-8 wrote:
>
>> See? Crickets :)
>>
>>
> Well, to be fair, you only posted details 4 days ago, and in the West,
> it's only 2 days from Christmas. People not locked down by Covid may be
> travelling, and people that are locked down are probably dealing with a lot
> of disruption.
>
>
>>
>>> 1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our
>>> colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include
>>> some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
>>>
>>>
> That sounds doable. I'm surprised someone hasn't already done it. I think
> only a human will be able to see whether the uncommon bits are visible. I
> guess the display could show examples of most of the usages, so they could
> be tweaked on the spot before applying. Maybe someone will pop up with
> "that's already been done!"
>
> 2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my
>>> original thoughts again - the manuscript!
>>> * a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page"
>>> as needed depending on browser width
>>>
>>
> If it was me, I'd be tempted to lift Saq/Gifford's code from Stroll, since
> that's the main place I've seen double panels before.
>
>
>> * the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with
>>> some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
>>>
>>
> BTW, there was a project to make a complete book out of TW. I don't think
> it had two pages, and I don't think the code was released.
>
>
>> * "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
>>> * editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
>>> * There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
>>> IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons
>>> (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka
>>> chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as
>>> static 

Re: [tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

[TW Tones]

On reviewing your requirements, a little more clarity and perhaps a mock up 
would help.

Rather than start altering the layout perhaps you can create a tiddler for 
viewing other tiddlers that contain the text. You can then use fluid story 
fixed sidebar, with the sidebar closed to see a wide tiddler that contains 
your two page layout, you custom background and various icons. Once 
complete it could be redesigned as a new layout if necessary but to me a 
view tiddler is better because then your "reader" could be used in any 
tiddler and wiki.

Tones

On Sunday, 20 December 2020 at 03:06:00 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you 
> requiring from this new theme?
>
> My  experience historically has been not so great - I think this is the 
> third time? I've done what I can on my own, but I also  gave up on a lot of 
> ideas, as just way outside my expertise. 
>
> I guess I have two main ideas, both build off of / reflect things that 
> others have asked for or suggested. I thought that maybe supporting 
> someone's time money wise might be appreciated. At any rate, here's what 
> I'm looking for:
>
> 1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our 
> colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include 
> some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
>
> 2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my 
> original thoughts again - the manuscript!
> * a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as 
> needed depending on browser width
> * the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with 
> some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
> * "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
> * editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
> * There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
> IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons 
> (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka 
> chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as 
> static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to 
> have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for 
> quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)
> IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on the 
> inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the 
> bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers
> * Clicking on bookmark takes you to "front page" - that has the main tool 
> tabs (Search / Open / Recent / Tools / etc.) and the TOC
> * Layout on front page with bookmark would be, from right to left (or left 
> to right?),  with TOC,  on top layer of right page 
> with buttons as normal at top, and buttons for the various "tabs" in normal 
> layouts, and then the rest of the right page   "behind" the 
> bookmark, which would show all the other details - the tools list and 
> buttons, the open tiddlers, and so on.
>
> I know I'm going overboard with the aesthetic functionality here, but... I 
> do have reasons, it doesn't hurt to list off all the hopes, no matter what, 
> and I think it would make for an awesome website
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:33 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you 
>> requiring from this new theme?
>>
>> In the pre-release there is a way to change layouts if you have more than 
>> one, ie the structure, but otherwise themes usually consist of colour 
>> pallets and css tweaking of existing elements.
>>
>> There is a reasonable chance this can be accomplished by the community 
>> helping you.
>>
>> Tones
>> On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 08:54:20 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Would anyone be up for designing a TiddlyWiki theme, that:
>>> 1) I would pay for your time
>>> 2) Would be free to the community once done
>>>
>>> If _anyone_ is interested, I will share my needs. But historically, it's 
>>> been a big no-go.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aidan
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 10:25:56 AM UTC-8 wrote:

> See? Crickets :)
>
>
Well, to be fair, you only posted details 4 days ago, and in the West, it's 
only 2 days from Christmas. People not locked down by Covid may be 
travelling, and people that are locked down are probably dealing with a lot 
of disruption.
 

>
>> 1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our 
>> colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include 
>> some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
>>
>>
That sounds doable. I'm surprised someone hasn't already done it. I think 
only a human will be able to see whether the uncommon bits are visible. I 
guess the display could show examples of most of the usages, so they could 
be tweaked on the spot before applying. Maybe someone will pop up with 
"that's already been done!"

2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my 
>> original thoughts again - the manuscript!
>> * a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as 
>> needed depending on browser width
>>
>
If it was me, I'd be tempted to lift Saq/Gifford's code from Stroll, since 
that's the main place I've seen double panels before.
 

> * the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with 
>> some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
>>
>
BTW, there was a project to make a complete book out of TW. I don't think 
it had two pages, and I don't think the code was released.
 

> * "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
>> * editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
>> * There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
>> IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons 
>> (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka 
>> chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as 
>> static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to 
>> have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for 
>> quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)
>> IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on 
>> the inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the 
>> bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers
>>
>
Putting a bookmark in the *sidebar* for idea #2 sounds doable. Or were you 
thinking of getting rid of the sidebar? Like a complete re-arrangement of 
elements?

Hopefully this conversation will turn up some more interest.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

[Aidan Grey]

See? Crickets :)

I know it sounds like a lot, which is why I am willing to pay for someone's
help

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 9:05 AM Aidan Grey  wrote:

> >> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you
> requiring from this new theme?
>
> My  experience historically has been not so great - I think this is the
> third time? I've done what I can on my own, but I also  gave up on a lot of
> ideas, as just way outside my expertise.
>
> I guess I have two main ideas, both build off of / reflect things that
> others have asked for or suggested. I thought that maybe supporting
> someone's time money wise might be appreciated. At any rate, here's what
> I'm looking for:
>
> 1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our
> colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include
> some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).
>
> 2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my
> original thoughts again - the manuscript!
> * a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as
> needed depending on browser width
> * the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with
> some other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
> * "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
> * editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
> * There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
> IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons
> (New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka
> chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as
> static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to
> have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for
> quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)
> IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on the
> inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the
> bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers
> * Clicking on bookmark takes you to "front page" - that has the main tool
> tabs (Search / Open / Recent / Tools / etc.) and the TOC
> * Layout on front page with bookmark would be, from right to left (or left
> to right?),  with TOC,  on top layer of right page
> with buttons as normal at top, and buttons for the various "tabs" in normal
> layouts, and then the rest of the right page   "behind" the
> bookmark, which would show all the other details - the tools list and
> buttons, the open tiddlers, and so on.
>
> I know I'm going overboard with the aesthetic functionality here, but... I
> do have reasons, it doesn't hurt to list off all the hopes, no matter what,
> and I think it would make for an awesome website
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:33 PM TW Tones  wrote:
>
>> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you
>> requiring from this new theme?
>>
>> In the pre-release there is a way to change layouts if you have more than
>> one, ie the structure, but otherwise themes usually consist of colour
>> pallets and css tweaking of existing elements.
>>
>> There is a reasonable chance this can be accomplished by the community
>> helping you.
>>
>> Tones
>> On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 08:54:20 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Would anyone be up for designing a TiddlyWiki theme, that:
>>> 1) I would pay for your time
>>> 2) Would be free to the community once done
>>>
>>> If _anyone_ is interested, I will share my needs. But historically, it's
>>> been a big no-go.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aidan
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

[Aidan Grey]

>> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you
requiring from this new theme?

My  experience historically has been not so great - I think this is the
third time? I've done what I can on my own, but I also  gave up on a lot of
ideas, as just way outside my expertise.

I guess I have two main ideas, both build off of / reflect things that
others have asked for or suggested. I thought that maybe supporting
someone's time money wise might be appreciated. At any rate, here's what
I'm looking for:

1) A new plugin for color tweaking: something where we could pick our
colors in TW, and see changes immediately. Would obviously need to include
some work to make all the uncommon bits visible (alerts, for example).

2) The new Notebook theme is awesome, but made me pine for one of my
original thoughts again - the manuscript!
* a two-panel layout (like an open book) that can become "single page" as
needed depending on browser width
* the "book" sits on a table/like background, of course, possibly with some
other items visible for aesthetic purposes (inkwell and quill!)
* "turny corners" to move to next page / prev page of a tiddler "page"
* editing would be a single panel on the page, like normal
* There's a bookmark, and I have two ideas here:
IDEA 1:  the part of the bookmark showing has the main tool buttons
(New/Home/Save, etc.) as well as navigation buttons - previous tiddler aka
chapter, maybe last 5 tiddlers. Idea is basically to allow for tiddlers as
static "pages" but still have fairly easy navigation (an idea would be to
have temporary additional "bookmarks/tags" on the sides of the "book" for
quick navigation to other "open"  tiddlers)
IDEA 2: put new/save/home buttons on the object on the table (click on the
inkwell to create a new page/tiddler, quill to save, etc) and keep the
bookmark super simple, possibly with links to "home" pages or fave tiddlers
* Clicking on bookmark takes you to "front page" - that has the main tool
tabs (Search / Open / Recent / Tools / etc.) and the TOC
* Layout on front page with bookmark would be, from right to left (or left
to right?),  with TOC,  on top layer of right page
with buttons as normal at top, and buttons for the various "tabs" in normal
layouts, and then the rest of the right page   "behind" the
bookmark, which would show all the other details - the tools list and
buttons, the open tiddlers, and so on.

I know I'm going overboard with the aesthetic functionality here, but... I
do have reasons, it doesn't hurt to list off all the hopes, no matter what,
and I think it would make for an awesome website

On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 9:33 PM TW Tones  wrote:

> There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you
> requiring from this new theme?
>
> In the pre-release there is a way to change layouts if you have more than
> one, ie the structure, but otherwise themes usually consist of colour
> pallets and css tweaking of existing elements.
>
> There is a reasonable chance this can be accomplished by the community
> helping you.
>
> Tones
> On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 08:54:20 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Would anyone be up for designing a TiddlyWiki theme, that:
>> 1) I would pay for your time
>> 2) Would be free to the community once done
>>
>> If _anyone_ is interested, I will share my needs. But historically, it's
>> been a big no-go.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aidan
>>
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[tw5] Re: Paid Theme Design?

[TW Tones]

There are theme designers that may take up this. But first what are you 
requiring from this new theme?

In the pre-release there is a way to change layouts if you have more than 
one, ie the structure, but otherwise themes usually consist of colour 
pallets and css tweaking of existing elements.

There is a reasonable chance this can be accomplished by the community 
helping you.

Tones
On Saturday, 19 December 2020 at 08:54:20 UTC+11 taale...@gmail.com wrote:

> Would anyone be up for designing a TiddlyWiki theme, that:
> 1) I would pay for your time
> 2) Would be free to the community once done
>
> If _anyone_ is interested, I will share my needs. But historically, it's 
> been a big no-go.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
>

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