[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[A Gloom]

Thomas 

As the author of the palette I am happy to read that it is actually used by 
real people :

The Twilight palette is well done, one of my preferred palettes for 
publishing wikis so I can view them when they're live.

>

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Ciao Gloom

I have not forgotten this.

I note your comments about general blindness.

It may take me a while, but I'm trying to think through how to present a 
manageable question to CSS pundits here so we can get better made ...

"Sight-Equipped-Palettes"

... in time.

IMO explicitly dealing with the issue of "sightedness" and promoting 
solutions could increase uptake of TW.

Thoughts
TT

On Tuesday, 20 August 2019 02:28:12 UTC+2, A Gloom wrote:
>
> >> Gloom, not Gloomy, wrote 
>
> Gloomy works too, just don't called me Cheery : P
>
> I'll post separately about it as its an interesting issue.
>
>
> Do it-- the first step to start awareness, is to reveal the issue.  Color 
> blindness iirc is more common that what I suffer from-- general blindness, 
> thoudh the white bachground issue I suffer from may be just as common-- 
> suffered by people that are losing their sight to diabeties.
>
> Here's tthe source I was referring to-- some of the question responses 
> refer to scientific details on palettes of the most contrsting colors (as 
> in colors with the most contast (seperation) between them-- good for color 
> coding-- no mistaking the differences in colors)
>
>
> https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3682/where-can-i-find-a-large-palette-set-of-contrasting-colors-for-coloring-many-d
>
> this questions' answers bring up color blindeness and color coding
>
>
> https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/118033/best-series-of-colors-to-use-for-differentiating-series-in-publication-quality
>

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[A Gloom]

@Autumn Grey
 

> I thought I would point out CSS placement problems dramatically affecting 
> usability when viewing the TW in Firefox on iOS 12+. 
> Most/all of the content fully overlaps at the top of the page, so as to be 
> indistinguishable and impossible to interact with. See attached screenshot. 
>

ty-- I know exactly what happened there-- the top bar is floating over the 
sidebar (same behavior with desktop, also happens with storyriver 
tiddlers)-- hack-142 got diabled when the wiki was upgraded to 5.1.20

I believe I can fix it without the hack.

While I have non-mobile options for interaction, I like many people these 
> days no longer actually use them when we don’t have to. :-)


how true-- unfortunately I'm the exact opposite-- I don't have mobile 
options, so I'm behind the times when it comes to authoring for mobile 

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

['Autumn Gray Eakin' via TiddlyWiki]

I thought I would point out CSS placement problems dramatically affecting 
usability when viewing the TW in Firefox on iOS 12+.

Most/all of the content fully overlaps at the top of the page, so as to be 
indistinguishable and impossible to interact with. See attached screenshot.

While I have non-mobile options for interaction, I like many people these days 
no longer actually use them when we don’t have to. :-)

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[Thomas Elmiger]

A Gloom


Took care of those evil white tabs-- used the new Twilight palette from 5.1.20


As the author of the palette I am happy to read that it is actually used by 
real people :) 

Thomas 

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[Birthe C]

Hi Gloom,

You are bringing up something very interesting. Diabetes is unfortunately 
very common. Also we are all getting older, and I find, that after reading 
on screen for a long time, my eyes get very tired. All screens are not of a 
of good quality and that also matters. 

In the DOS days I used a "multimedia authoring" software (using Ascii 
vector graphicsLOL never mind that. The author told me he wrote stories 
and very often used a dark blue for background and a very light blue for 
text. That was for his wife to also be able to read it.

Remember I liked your high contrast theme. Now with your changes...totally 
good for my eyes at least.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[A Gloom]

>> Gloom, not Gloomy, wrote 

Gloomy works too, just don't called me Cheery : P

I'll post separately about it as its an interesting issue.


Do it-- the first step to start awareness, is to reveal the issue.  Color 
blindness iirc is more common that what I suffer from-- general blindness, 
thoudh the white bachground issue I suffer from may be just as common-- 
suffered by people that are losing their sight to diabeties.

Here's tthe source I was referring to-- some of the question responses 
refer to scientific details on palettes of the most contrsting colors (as 
in colors with the most contast (seperation) between them-- good for color 
coding-- no mistaking the differences in colors)

https://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/3682/where-can-i-find-a-large-palette-set-of-contrasting-colors-for-coloring-many-d

this questions' answers bring up color blindeness and color coding

https://stats.stackexchange.com/questions/118033/best-series-of-colors-to-use-for-differentiating-series-in-publication-quality

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Gloom, not Gloomy, wrote 

> ... see above about my problwm with html/css colors


It would be good if a colour aware programmer made CSS palettes for TW ...

*Protanomaly (1%) in men*


*Protanopia (1%) in men*

*Deuteranomaly (5+%) in men = 1 in 20 (*Red-Green Colour Blindness*)*

*Deuteranopia (1%) in men*

*Tritanomaly (rare) women & men*

*Monochromacy (rare) women & men*


I'll post separately about it as its an interesting issue.

Best wishes
TT 


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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[A Gloom]

Sorry for the delay in responding-- medical stuff and mad codding 
experiments with the next wiki-- the more I work on getting it ready to do 
public, the more ideas for even more content I get...

@Mohammad,


I was being lazy, just uploaded the original wiki without upgrading-- but 
its now 5.1.20.  
I changed the theme, it seemed to fix the tabs visibility


@Birthe C

I should make the green & orange on black theme (like the ancient 
monochrome CRT's) from Looking Glass a palette

see here for screenshots

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/lnpDr2z2Jc0/IvaCZQB3BgAJ

last post, attachments, first shows how my broweser strips all html/css 
color, 2nd & 3rd show what the theme actually is (I could had swirn the 
links were orange while the rest of text was lime green- maybe that is a 
pre-orange/green theme)


@TT

I know that page about sortable tables-- now that I finally got around to 
installing Opera I didn't know what the page's text colors were-- see above 
about my problwm with html/css colors

color theming of text by its function is something I do, though the dark 
orange text for me makes it almost disappear (but I don't see things as 
well as normal sighted persons)-- my one concern would be using color blind 
safe colors-- and I had a link to S.O. Graphic Design to a very 
comprehensive article about the best colors for things like line graphs
@Tony,

Took care of those evil white tabs-- used the new Twilight palette from 
5.1.20
The method of madness with the ?F0 & ?F1 is based off the F1 help key in 
PC's, F0 being a prehelp  designator (the general guide to use), ?'s added 
for emphasize
The Fluid Story, Fixed sidebar setting, I'll have to look at-- this wiki 
was ont of the very first I created so I wasn't fully knowledgeable when 
creating-- many thanks for pointing it out though, your noticing made me 
aware of something I probably would had kept missing.

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[TonyM]

A Gloom

Thanks so much for your contribution to the community. 

Feedback

   - My first discovery on looking at the site is the tabs are white and I 
   can't read the unselected tab titles (I'm using FF) and other fields in 
   control panel
   - Your use of ?F0 ?F1 is initially a little confusing, does it help with 
   screen readers? A little explanation may help.
   - I think your #Introduction should include an overview of the purpose 
   of the whole wiki, and I would explicitly state any accessibility 
   objectives.
   - Is there a reason why its still running on tiddlywiki version 5.1.17?
   - Is there a reason why you do not set the Sidebar layout 
   

 to 
   Fluid Story, Fixed sidebar? This makes more use of modern desktop screens

Love your work

Tony

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 1:18:35 PM UTC+10, A Gloom wrote:
>
> This has been posted way back but now is at a permanent location now
>
> Guide to  general use of TW *(still needs finishing touches)
>
> Mohammad will be relieved : )  Another bigger TW-- the WikiWitchery-- with 
> all sorts of nifty stuff is being prepared...
>
> -- let me know if that high constrast theme is a readibility issue-- its a 
> default TW palette-- blue links on black? tsk, tsk
>
> http://twguidedoc.tiddlyspot.com/
>

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[@TiddlyTweeter]

Dear Gloom

I am not gloomy. Nice content.

The high contrast is good for purpose!

Larger or bolded  white text plus orangey links is good for **declarative** 
work ... for example ...

https://kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/


Design wise if you go that way it is a mistake to have borders of boxes in 
white too. 

Be leaner, I think.

Thoughts, TT

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[Birthe C]

Hi A Gloom,

Thank you. The high contrast theme is okay except - you guessed it the blue 
on black links.

On the other hand I found that my old eyes get sharper seeing a nice and 
interesting TW.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: first wiki is up-- Guide to general use of TW

[Mohammad]

Hi,
 Great stuff and many thanks for all your efforts!
I prefer the default TW theme! By the way


   1. Why have you used 5.1.17 and not 5.1.20?
   2. The tabs in http://twguidedoc.tiddlyspot.com/#%3FF0%20Guide are not 
   readable except the selected one!


Good luck
Mohammad


On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 7:48:35 AM UTC+4:30, A Gloom wrote:
>
> This has been posted way back but now is at a permanent location now
>
> Guide to  general use of TW *(still needs finishing touches)
>
> Mohammad will be relieved : )  Another bigger TW-- the WikiWitchery-- with 
> all sorts of nifty stuff is being prepared...
>
> -- let me know if that high constrast theme is a readibility issue-- its a 
> default TW palette-- blue links on black? tsk, tsk
>
> http://twguidedoc.tiddlyspot.com/
>

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