Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Abraham Samma 
I stress the word WORK IN PROGRESS.

https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/e387d7fe/empty.html


On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 5:21:29 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Could you share that manual? Im very interested in using it!
>
> On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-6, Abraham Samma wrote:
>>
>> Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 but it is not insurmountable.
>>
>> Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
>> among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
>> providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
>> takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
>> it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
>> most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
>> is encouraging.
>>
>> I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
>> will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
>> You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
>> himself using those first principles.
>>
>> This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>>>
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>>>
>>> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
>>> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
>>> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
>>> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
>>> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
>>> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>>>
>>> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
>>> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
>>> use. What do you guys think? 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

 Ciao Jeremy

 The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
 hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 

 BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
 web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."

 The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is 
 not so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think 
 PART of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all 
 the OTHER stuff FF did too.

 In mourning
 Josiah 

 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
> nw.js rather than Electron.
>


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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Diego Mesa 
Could you share that manual? Im very interested in using it!

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 7:34:51 AM UTC-6, Abraham Samma wrote:
>
> Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 but it is not insurmountable.
>
> Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
> among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
> providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
> takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
> it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
> most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
> is encouraging.
>
> I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
> will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
> You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
> himself using those first principles.
>
> This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>>
>> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
>> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
>> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
>> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
>> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
>> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>>
>> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
>> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
>> use. What do you guys think? 
>>
>> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>>
>>> Ciao Jeremy
>>>
>>> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
>>> hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>>>
>>> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
>>> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>>>
>>> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is 
>>> not so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think 
>>> PART of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all 
>>> the OTHER stuff FF did too.
>>>
>>> In mourning
>>> Josiah 
>>>
>>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
 nw.js rather than Electron.

>>>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-17 Thread Abraham Samma 
Usability for newbies is a challenge for TW5 users but it is not 
insurmountable.

Take my project Maarfapad which gives you access to a TW5 cloud service 
among other things: I've had some success with getting newbies on board by 
providing them with a simple *interactive* manual inside their wikis that 
takes them through most of TW5's functionality step by step. The fact that 
it helped even my mother (a person who tries to stay away from computers 
most of the time) understand how tiddlywiki works enough to actually USE it 
is encouraging.

I believe designing less verbose, more interactive manuals within wikis 
will help gain more users. Its kind of like designing video game tutorials. 
You want the user to pick up essentials easily and let them master it by 
himself using those first principles.

This discussion is very interesting! Thanks to the person who started it.

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:43:00 PM UTC+3, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc
>
> I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought 
> out "New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% 
> drunk the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time 
> explaining it to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to 
> either save like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah 
> you could install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"
>
> I think this community can try to develop sort of an 
> EverNote-likeish-clone that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and 
> use. What do you guys think? 
>
> On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>>
>> Ciao Jeremy
>>
>> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest 
>> hassle for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>>
>> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
>> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>>
>> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
>> so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
>> of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
>> OTHER stuff FF did too.
>>
>> In mourning
>> Josiah 
>>
>> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>>
>>> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
>>> nw.js rather than Electron.
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-16 Thread Diego Mesa 
Hey all,

With this thread, and the related Yearning for ONE method:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/19LF5KynLAc

I definitely think TiddlyWiki would benefit immensely from well thought out 
"New User Experience" that "Just Works Out of the Box". I have 100% drunk 
the koolaid when it comes to TW. But I had a very hard time explaining it 
to someone else, when it came to "Oh no actually you have to either save 
like this, or like that, or, yeah it could be one file, or yeah you could 
install a plugin for that, or, etc etc etc"

I think this community can try to develop sort of an EverNote-likeish-clone 
that just come prepackaged, is easy to explain and use. What do you guys 
think? 

On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:26:43 AM UTC-6, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Ciao Jeremy
>
> The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest hassle 
> for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 
>
> BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
> web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."
>
> The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
> so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
> of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
> OTHER stuff FF did too.
>
> In mourning
> Josiah 
>
> Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>
>> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older 
>> nw.js rather than Electron.
>>
>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-16 Thread @TiddlyTweeter 
Ciao Jeremy

The latest TiddlyDesktop is great. Its very good--likely the lowest hassle 
for TiddlyWiki that are "self contained". Its very reliable IME. 

BUT its not so good if you need to be able to do things that normal 
web-browsers provide like "Print Edit" and "Save to Scrapbook."

The RESULTANT SCOPE of the differential ways of running TiddlyWiki is not 
so well documented. BUT, in reality, folk use TW in CONTEXTS. I think PART 
of the issue with parting with Firefox is not just TW, its also all the 
OTHER stuff it did too.

In mourning
Josiah 

Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older nw.js 
> rather than Electron.
>

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Re: [tw] A Rant

2017-11-16 Thread Jeremy Ruston 
> At the risk of asking a stupid question - would it be difficult to just wrap 
> it all up in an Electron app bundle like Slack et al?

That’s actually what TiddlyDesktop is, except that it uses the older nw.js 
rather than Electron.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

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