Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[Marc Ferguson]

Thank you I will take a look. 

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> On Nov 22, 2016, at 5:42 PM, John Newell  wrote:
> 
> Thanks - and "hi"  Richard... 
> 
> I am aware of the TiddlyManuals - an extensive project that - in my humble 
> opinion - is great as a resource - but not as a "good read"
> It works as a manual.
> 
> But have you tried opening it in a mobile device? ( several accessibility 
> issues! )
> 
> For those of us who love the original TW - TW5 is far better and more 
> accessible - which I believe is one of it's more desirable attributes.
> 
> Tiddly Manuals 
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 8:39:33 AM UTC+11, RichardWilliamSmith 
>> wrote:
>> To start a new thread just click "new topic" on the main page of the group.
>> 
>> Although it's not exactly the same thing, you may be interested in Dickon 
>> Bevington's extensive use of tiddlywiki for producing clinical manuals. 
>> http://tiddlymanuals.tiddlyspace.com/
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Richard
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

Thanks - and "hi"  Richard... 

I am aware of the TiddlyManuals - an extensive project that - in my humble 
opinion - is great as a resource - but not as a "good read"
It works as a manual.

But have you tried opening it in a mobile device? ( several accessibility 
issues! )

For those of us who love the original TW - TW5 is far better and more 
*accessible 
*- which I believe is one of it's *more desirable attributes.*

Tiddly Manuals 

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 8:39:33 AM UTC+11, RichardWilliamSmith 
wrote:
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>
> Although it's not exactly the same thing, you may be interested in Dickon 
> Bevington's extensive use of tiddlywiki for producing clinical manuals. 
> http://tiddlymanuals.tiddlyspace.com/
>
> Regards,
> Richard
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[RichardWilliamSmith]

To start a new thread just click "new topic" on the main page of the group.

Although it's not exactly the same thing, you may be interested in Dickon 
Bevington's extensive use of tiddlywiki for producing clinical 
manuals. http://tiddlymanuals.tiddlyspace.com/

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[Marc Ferguson]

Thanks for your nod of support. I don't want to get in the way of providing 
ePub type stuff. Perhaps a new thread but I don't know how to start it. 

I'm thinking that TW is pretty useful as it is and could make some great 
dynamic textbooks or notebook where a basic accelerometer is all you need. 

Marc

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> On Nov 21, 2016, at 6:06 PM, John Newell  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 11:11:29 PM UTC+11, John Newell wrote:
>> In furtherance to contact by "Josiah" questioning the differing needs 
>> TWebooks have as novels .
>> 
>> and following up on the emergence of TW5 as a Great ebook option >> 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/cUrhiFheiWY
>> 
>> Josiah - I agree with your point that when reading a novel on TW5 - 
>> a long, deep page appears and bookmarking in any way akin to ePub 
>> page-turning formats is neither practical, nor possible.
>> 
>> So : thinking laterally, "markers" could be place at spacing of 
>> approximately every screen page.
>> 
>> Here's the image - https://goo.gl/Zmk5pH   where a page with the marker is 
>> placed, and when clicked - where a CLEARLY identifiable market is kept
>> A nice synergy with a horizontal bookmarker - defining it as different to 
>> the vertical physical bookmarker.
>> 
>> NOTE :  I am checking to see if the OFFLINE reading process ( eg as 
>> available on iOS - goo.gl/Y1cjfQ ) can be used to SAVE changes by the user )
>> 
>> ( NOTE - branded, artisitic, patterned etc bookmarks are easily embedded 
>> just as the samplers are )
>> 
>> Here's the basic code : creating an Appear Reveal with a thick coloured line 
>> full width ( saved as b1 - bookmark version 1 - purple )
>> 
>> <$appear mode="inline">''> style="background-color:mediumorchid;height:7px;width:100%;left:0;top:0;">''
>> 
>> 
>> Then , place this code in an empty line to make faster replications of the 
>> b1 bookmark starting with this tiddler : bk1
>> 
>> {{b1}}
>> 
>> and repeat with extra tiddlers titled and embedded as {{bk2}} {{bk3}} 
>> {{bk4}} {{bk4}}  etc
>> which stops all "appearing" - though there's probably a more elegant way to 
>> do this.
>> 
>> Feedback, ideas and options welcomed .. 
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[John Newell]

Hi Marc - and thanks for your input.

It's great to see another format where TW can provide a solution as a 
dynamic (e)book.

I hope I am reading this correctly - but the idea you have it to produce a 
collective TWebook 
- pristine -organised  -well presented.

distribute it and allow for each file distributed the ability for the 
reader / user to add THEIR comments, extra stories and perspectives.

and make THAT function *easy really easy.*

Whilst I totally believe that a hybrid TW5 could produce that. 
it may take time and be lower down the list than we'd like.

My solution currently is to purchase a *www.padlet.com 
* account ($US29pa ) and add unique "padlets" as 
embeds to each TWeBook 
It does mean adding a unique embed code to each new copy of the TWebook for 
distribution.

but the uniqueness, readability and dynamics of padlet make that an awesome 
option.

padlet don't do a great job of opening the eyes and imaginations of the 
users that well..
but padlet is an IDEAL choice as any and all of these page ( tiddler ) 
options in your book :


   - gallery
   - journal
   - notes
   - copied docs ( such as Scout recipes )
   - storytelling ( a Scout tradition ) 
   - dynamic events listing ( which can also be easily "pulled in" via 
   iframe code )
   - inspirations

its also instantly renders :

   - mp3, mp4, avi
   - ppt, doc, pdf, txt, rtf, etc etc
   - png, svg, bmp, gif, jpg etc etc


and is my go to now that dropbox is discontinuing its rendering / hosting 
service.


I am excited by the interest developing on the recent "swing" to TW5 being 
used, recognised and further enhanced as a storytelling application.
Like most of the TW fraternity we predominantly use TW5 files as 
collections of information in snippets and related parts.
Linked easily by CamelCasing and markdown. 
And I'm sure we all get a "tingle of excitement" when a cool addition, 
plugin or slice of code makes it more dynamic.

But - to what end?
Yep - as a wiki - it is great. The best!

As a storytelling device - as clumsy or incomplete as WE may see it - TW5 
makes ePub look ugly and old as a book delivery format.
And ePub trails behind TW5 in the dynamics which are possible - AND - the 
emjoyable reading experience it provides.


*BUT - as Marc highlights - the fun *



On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 8:34:02 AM UTC+11, Marc wrote:
>
> I thought I'd chime in on this. I may be a renegade but I think TW5 can be 
> much better than an ePub because of its ability for the user to make 
> changes. 
>
> Our church has an excellent but dated family activity book. It has lots of 
> ideas with descriptions of each idea. Families that can't think of 
> something can look through the book and it sparks ideas. The best thing 
> about the book is the organization. 
>
> Often in our family we would assign a child to find an activity and there 
> are games and things to do on walks and all sorts of stuff. 
>
> It is also great for youth groups to come up with an annual plan of 
> activities. 
>
> One problem with the book is since it is a simple paper and ink book when 
> the kids get married they want a copy of our family version that has all 
> sorts of notes and phone numbers and stuff that has been added to the 
> pages. 
>
> I also have used this book with a Boy Scout group that I have worked with 
> for many years. When I am released from that role I know the next leader 
> would love a copy so he or she doesn't have to start over from scratch. 
>
> ePubs don't fill the bill because they aren't able to change and therefore 
> aren't cherished like this book is. 
>
> My idea is to create a TW that can be distributed in its pristine form and 
> keep it simple enough that users can easily make it there's. 
>
> This way I can keep one version for my scouts. In fact I can give versions 
> to the youth leaders and let them create their own patrol version and 
> someday I can simply email the latest version to the new leader when I 
> leave. And I can still have my Scout version for me to page through and 
> remember good memories. 
>
> I can also give copies of our family version to my kids and grandkids over 
> time. Wouldn't that make a great Christmas or wedding present. 
>
> I can see that ePub is a way to make money and protect intellectual 
> property but I would like to hear your thoughts about this use of TW. 
>
> Cheers
> Marc
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 7:45 AM, John Newell > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jed - thanks for the feedback
>
> We actually tried doing that with Spiritual Quest eBook and rounded up 
> some ( novices to TW5 ) and gave them chapters done as slideshows. 
> displaying one page at a time - just clicking the series of small icons 
> atop that tiddler
>
> there were a few that liked it - but the vast majority found :
>
>- the icons too small on mobile devices to navigate successfully ( the 
>"all-thumbs" response )
>- the pages then too many ( which is almo

Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[Marc Ferguson]

I thought I'd chime in on this. I may be a renegade but I think TW5 can be much 
better than an ePub because of its ability for the user to make changes. 

Our church has an excellent but dated family activity book. It has lots of 
ideas with descriptions of each idea. Families that can't think of something 
can look through the book and it sparks ideas. The best thing about the book is 
the organization. 

Often in our family we would assign a child to find an activity and there are 
games and things to do on walks and all sorts of stuff. 

It is also great for youth groups to come up with an annual plan of activities. 

One problem with the book is since it is a simple paper and ink book when the 
kids get married they want a copy of our family version that has all sorts of 
notes and phone numbers and stuff that has been added to the pages. 

I also have used this book with a Boy Scout group that I have worked with for 
many years. When I am released from that role I know the next leader would love 
a copy so he or she doesn't have to start over from scratch. 

ePubs don't fill the bill because they aren't able to change and therefore 
aren't cherished like this book is. 

My idea is to create a TW that can be distributed in its pristine form and keep 
it simple enough that users can easily make it there's. 

This way I can keep one version for my scouts. In fact I can give versions to 
the youth leaders and let them create their own patrol version and someday I 
can simply email the latest version to the new leader when I leave. And I can 
still have my Scout version for me to page through and remember good memories. 

I can also give copies of our family version to my kids and grandkids over 
time. Wouldn't that make a great Christmas or wedding present. 

I can see that ePub is a way to make money and protect intellectual property 
but I would like to hear your thoughts about this use of TW. 

Cheers
Marc

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> On Nov 21, 2016, at 7:45 AM, John Newell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jed - thanks for the feedback
> 
> We actually tried doing that with Spiritual Quest eBook and rounded up some ( 
> novices to TW5 ) and gave them chapters done as slideshows. displaying one 
> page at a time - just clicking the series of small icons atop that tiddler
> 
> there were a few that liked it - but the vast majority found :
> the icons too small on mobile devices to navigate successfully ( the 
> "all-thumbs" response )
> the pages then too many ( which is almost the same experience as ePub ) 
> except ePub benefits from finger-slide page turns AND auto-flowing of fluid 
> text
> --- We questioned which felt better ePub or TWebook and TW was categorically 
> favoured - mainly because it LOOKED better overall.
> The problem with slides is that you'd need a version for mobile, one for 
> tablet and one for desktop in separating tiddlers..
> 
> 
> 
> TW5 already has inbuilt flowable text - DOWN the page - seemlessly.
> 
> Whilst that initially confused the throng of test bunnies we threw these to, 
> they warmed to it - especially when the ability to have IMAGES appear where 
> they should be was evident.
> 
> 
> 
> what is more natural on a TECH DEVICE ?
> 
> It has to be more comfortable that the weird mobile phone attachment 
> 
> that allows you to hear the other talked when you put you finger in your ear 
> !!!
> (SGNL - https://youtu.be/Yh1M5kVlNOw )
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 11:25:52 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote:
>> I think that with what we have right now you could just split your text into 
>> different tiddlers for each section, where sections are either paragraphs or 
>> something longer, and have them display in order with a theme that doesn't 
>> show tiddler boundaries. It would be pretty simple to have something 
>> analogous to a page be a few paragraphs long and have buttons that will 
>> close the tiddlers currently displayed and open the set for the next or 
>> previous page. Then bookmarks could be to a page in the same way you would 
>> with epubs.
>> 
>> The slide show plugins people have made already do pretty much this same 
>> thing, it would just be a different display of the same thing. The most 
>> difficult parts would probably be making tools to automatically split the 
>> paragraphs into pages. It would be easy to just say that a page is equal to 
>> 5 paragraphs, but if you have very long or very short paragraphs in some 
>> part of the book than you would have inconsistently sized pages and you may 
>> have some pages running off the screen. That could be a problem on some 
>> readers, but the rest wouldn't be too hard.
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub (cont)

[magillamax]

Hi Jed

with Spiritual Quest - that required a mix of icon navigation, images, embeds, 
large icons plus feature art as well as text. I could get away with iphone & 
ipad on the one template ( portrait format ) which is the "natural" tilt for 
their readers  but laptops and desktops SWITCH to a landscape format - so a 
different approach is needed.

To be quite honest about it - with hidden sidebar - the Wide format is actually 
very awkward unless a two page spread can be achieved.. very WIDE strings 
of text is an anathema to our natural expectation for text delivery ( on this 
TW fails to excite )

Interestingly - as we had asked a variety of question of our initial readers / 
testers - for almost ALL who used desktop they deferred to resizing the TW 
window to 50% screen width and found that more "comfortable" - as it was closer 
to a portait tablet display. Note - we DID suggest that if the full width 
screen wasn't to the reader liking - resizing to a half-width browser window is 
an option.

cheers
JN
On 22-Nov-16 12:33:19 AM, Jed Carty  wrote:
Is needing separate templates really a big problem here? I haven't really tried 
so I don't know. But for text I think that you would just need to make 3 or 4 
templates and use the correct one based on screen size. If you have more active 
content or images than you have other problems but you would have them in other 
formats as well.

And as for what is more natural on a tech device I would say RSVP is most 
natural for reading just text. For presenting information other than just plain 
text I still find single page (that is non-scrolling) chunks of text to be the 
most natural. My problem with that is that I may just be biased because despite 
the web being around for a few decades we haven't really discovered how to 
present information all that well in a dynamic environment.

A while ago I started some experiments on this but never got very far in them.
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[Josiah Hincks]

no idea what you are talking about :-).





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On 4 July 2016 at 17:01, JN mag@gmail  wrote:

> That’s the rendering that TiddlyWiki gives you when it is viewed with
> JavaScript disabled.
>
> It’s not clear why that would be happening. The padlet service cannot
> forcibly disable JavaScript while serving the file over http(s); the only
> alternative I can think of is that the service is stripping out the
> JavaScript from the HTML file.
>
> padlet.com provides a platfrom that makes updates and live to site
> changes ( within TW files shortly - more on that soon ) quickly and
> (usually) efficiently. The founder, Nitesh, is getting back to me soon with
> a fix" as he's been able to do along the growth from wallwisher to its
> current format . should be as you stated - the problem is that in
> uploading a 9MB file - it's stripping JUST the tiddlywiki.com URL out as
> the reference... ) File sizes never a problem as they handle up to 300MB +
> for video & audio.
>
> I plan to send you invites to files there shortly - once the remedy is
> provided. For now - soon to upload READ-ONLY versions of the book to
> Oronjo.com.
>
> One way to investigate would be to compare the file you uploaded with the
> version that you obtain from padlet; you can compare the two files with
> something like http://winmerge.org/?lang=en
>
> are there any ideas as to how to best deliver a single TW5 file to a
> mobile device and have it render as it would on a laptop etc...?
>
> Full size it works fine  - but my market is mainly mobile ..
> any help appreciated.
>
>
> Probably the best user experience would be to package the TiddlyWiki HTML
> file into an app with Cordova (https://cordova.apache.org). Eric Shulman
> and I have both done some experimentation on this in the past and it’s a
> pretty straightforward technical job.
>
> Interesting you say that as attempts to get the eBook into an App ( for
> ease of distribution and security from rampant free sharing ) has proven
> problematic - until I asked a developer "I just need and app that works
> like an app - except it needs ONE section as the feature - that renders a
> single HTML file . sounds like you may be working on the same approach
> ( ? ) I would be VERY KEEN to find out more.
>
> in the meantime - I should have the eBook / audio / site and distro
> finalised in the next few days and will send out copies - I am sure you'd
> have some great feedback and advice on how to better use tiddlywiki - and
> hopefully get some feedback on the book itself ( though it is
> female-focussed )
>
> The other topic that has emerged is the use of TW5 as an online | offline
> | live-fed Directory site for winemaking regions around the planet,
> starting with 3 regions in Oz. TW has an amazing advantage in so many way
> when teamed up with embeds that are social and live ( like padlet )
>
> thanks hugely for TW / your help and support..
>
> cheers
> John
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> Sent from Mailbird
> 
>
> On 4/07/2016 11:49:37 PM, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
> Hi John
>
> On 4 Jul 2016, at 05:31, John Newell  wrote:
>
> Hi there - I would love to provide templates as requested - except I have
> come across a recent hurdle - I can't get a reliable delivery of the final
> HTML file from server to iphone (etc) = my favoured "padlet" file delivery
> has suddenly gone awry - with NEW  tiddlywiki uploads of the FINAL EDITION
> of the SQ eBook rendering on screen as the text version = like this ---
>
>
> ie not like it should normally?
>
>
> That’s the rendering that TiddlyWiki gives you when it is viewed with
> JavaScript disabled.
>
> It’s not clear why that would be happening. The padlet service cannot
> forcibly disable JavaScript while serving the file over http(s); the only
> alternative I can think of is that the service is stripping out the
> JavaScript from the HTML file.
>
> One way to investigate would be to compare the file you uploaded with the
> version that you obtain from padlet; you can compare the two files with
> something like http://winmerge.org/?lang=en
>
> are there any ideas as to how to best deliver a single TW5 file to a
> mobile device and have it render as it would on a laptop etc...?
>
> Full size it works fine  - but my market is mainly mobile ..
> any help appreciated.
>
>
> Probably the best user experience would be to package the TiddlyWiki HTML
> file into an app with Cordova (https://cordova.apache.org). Eric Shulman
> and I have both done some experimentation on this in the past and it’s a
> pretty straightforward technical job.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
>
> 

Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[JN mag@gmail]

That’s the rendering that TiddlyWiki gives you when it is viewed with 
JavaScript disabled.

It’s not clear why that would be happening. The padlet service cannot forcibly 
disable JavaScript while serving the file over http(s); the only alternative I 
can think of is that the service is stripping out the JavaScript from the HTML 
file.

padlet.com provides a platfrom that makes updates and live to site changes ( 
within TW files shortly - more on that soon ) quickly and (usually) 
efficiently. The founder, Nitesh, is getting back to me soon with a fix" as 
he's been able to do along the growth from wallwisher to its current format 
. should be as you stated - the problem is that in uploading a 9MB file - 
it's stripping JUST the tiddlywiki.com URL out as the reference... ) File sizes 
never a problem as they handle up to 300MB + for video & audio.

I plan to send you invites to files there shortly - once the remedy is 
provided. For now - soon to upload READ-ONLY versions of the book to Oronjo.com.

One way to investigate would be to compare the file you uploaded with the 
version that you obtain from padlet; you can compare the two files with 
something like http://winmerge.org/?lang=en [http://winmerge.org/?lang=en]

are there any ideas as to how to best deliver a single TW5 file to a mobile 
device and have it render as it would on a laptop etc...?

Full size it works fine  - but my market is mainly mobile ..
any help appreciated.

Probably the best user experience would be to package the TiddlyWiki HTML file 
into an app with Cordova (https://cordova.apache.org 
[https://cordova.apache.org/]). Eric Shulman and I have both done some 
experimentation on this in the past and it’s a pretty straightforward technical 
job.

Interesting you say that as attempts to get the eBook into an App ( for ease of 
distribution and security from rampant free sharing ) has proven problematic - 
until I asked a developer "I just need and app that works like an app - except 
it needs ONE section as the feature - that renders a single HTML file . 
sounds like you may be working on the same approach ( ? ) I would be VERY KEEN 
to find out more.

in the meantime - I should have the eBook / audio / site and distro finalised 
in the next few days and will send out copies - I am sure you'd have some great 
feedback and advice on how to better use tiddlywiki - and hopefully get some 
feedback on the book itself ( though it is female-focussed ) 

The other topic that has emerged is the use of TW5 as an online | offline | 
live-fed Directory site for winemaking regions around the planet, starting with 
3 regions in Oz. TW has an amazing advantage in so many way when teamed up with 
embeds that are social and live ( like padlet ) 

thanks hugely for TW / your help and support..

cheers
John



Best wishes

Jeremy

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On 4/07/2016 11:49:37 PM, Jeremy Ruston  wrote:
Hi John

On 4 Jul 2016, at 05:31, John Newell mailto:magilla...@gmail.com]> wrote:

Hi there - I would love to provide templates as requested - except I have come 
across a recent hurdle - I can't get a reliable delivery of the final HTML file 
from server to iphone (etc) = my favoured "padlet" file delivery has suddenly 
gone awry - with NEW  tiddlywiki uploads of the FINAL EDITION of the SQ eBook 
rendering on screen as the text version = like this --- 
ie not like it should normally?


That’s the rendering that TiddlyWiki gives you when it is viewed with 
JavaScript disabled.

It’s not clear why that would be happening. The padlet service cannot forcibly 
disable JavaScript while serving the file over http(s); the only alternative I 
can think of is that the service is stripping out the JavaScript from the HTML 
file.

One way to investigate would be to compare the file you uploaded with the 
version that you obtain from padlet; you can compare the two files with 
something like http://winmerge.org/?lang=en [http://winmerge.org/?lang=en]

are there any ideas as to how to best deliver a single TW5 file to a mobile 
device and have it render as it would on a laptop etc...?

Full size it works fine  - but my market is mainly mobile ..
any help appreciated.

Probably the best user experience would be to package the TiddlyWiki HTML file 
into an app with Cordova (https://cordova.apache.org 
[https://cordova.apache.org]). Eric Shulman and I have both done some 
experimentation on this in the past and it’s a pretty straightforward technical 
job.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi John

> On 4 Jul 2016, at 05:31, John Newell  wrote:
> 
> Hi there - I would love to provide templates as requested - except I have 
> come across a recent hurdle - I can't get a reliable delivery of the final 
> HTML file from server to iphone (etc) = my favoured "padlet" file delivery 
> has suddenly gone awry - with NEW  tiddlywiki uploads of the FINAL EDITION of 
> the SQ eBook rendering on screen as the text version = like this --- 

> ie not like it should normally?

That’s the rendering that TiddlyWiki gives you when it is viewed with 
JavaScript disabled.

It’s not clear why that would be happening. The padlet service cannot forcibly 
disable JavaScript while serving the file over http(s); the only alternative I 
can think of is that the service is stripping out the JavaScript from the HTML 
file.

One way to investigate would be to compare the file you uploaded with the 
version that you obtain from padlet; you can compare the two files with 
something like http://winmerge.org/?lang=en

> are there any ideas as to how to best deliver a single TW5 file to a mobile 
> device and have it render as it would on a laptop etc...?
> 
> Full size it works fine  - but my market is mainly mobile ..
> any help appreciated.


Probably the best user experience would be to package the TiddlyWiki HTML file 
into an app with Cordova (https://cordova.apache.org). Eric Shulman and I have 
both done some experimentation on this in the past and it’s a pretty 
straightforward technical job.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

hi there

TOTALLY agree
▶️ I've introduced hundreds to TW - and if each of us TW aficionados has
been doing the same - then there's a big userbase out there -
but the increased complexity confuses many, ( like it's built for nerds
and not Joe Average )

Following the lead of Ghost.org and their clean and simple approach to
pages/posts and markup /// or pen.io if you like
I have everyone keeping it simple and safe

As for eBooks, tiddlywiki is a God-sent marvel and an invigorating new
format to revel in. It flows better, DOWN a page actually is more
accommodating that 20 flicks to the right.

Navigation via tags and buttons are seconds to produce with a bit of
forethought.

The whole process is simplified dramatically. I have created twBooks in
under an hour compared to 3-10 times longer preparing a legible ePub. Let's
not even touch PDFs.
No front and back end. No dramas following daft protocols, the likes that
PressBooks delivers.

Clean.
responsive.
Beautiful if you want it to be

It's even a website that you can take offline and still enjoy ..

Let's keep in touch,
This is only just starting to get interesting.

Cheers
John Newell
Pref - bluemi...@me.com

On Friday, 17 June 2016, Josiah  wrote:

> Ciao John Newell
>
> I am very much in harmony with the idea of wide USAGE without needing full
> blown editing.
>
> By way of background it seems to me that there is a huge userbase for TW
> that never appears here and is hard to document because (by design) TW does
> not track users.
>
> The MASS effect of TW's that are mainly read is something of interest to
> me. "Semi-editing" modes are also interesting. Like, for instance, to
> create versions with facility to ONLY add notes & bookmarks.
>
> Regards
> Josiah
>
> On Friday, 17 June 2016 09:14:34 UTC+2, John Newell wrote:
>>
>> Missed a bit .
>>
>> My objective is to have thousands of reader using tiddlywiki - with ease
>> ( though not editing it ) . Or at least - not in the way you'd imagine.
>>
>> Cheers
>> JN
>>
>> John Newell
>> MAGILLA ENTERPRISES
>> 0419992172
>> jo...@social.as
>> tw: @magillamax
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2016, at 4:24 PM, Mat  wrote:
>>
>> Hi John, you mentioned in another thread that your book is about to be
>> released.
>>
>> Could I, on behalf o f the community, ask you to share your final
>> TW-as-eBook setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an
>> edition and I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people -
>> including people who would not otherwise begin using TW.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[Josiah]

Ciao John Newell

I am very much in harmony with the idea of wide USAGE without needing full 
blown editing.

By way of background it seems to me that there is a huge userbase for TW 
that never appears here and is hard to document because (by design) TW does 
not track users.

The MASS effect of TW's that are mainly read is something of interest to 
me. "Semi-editing" modes are also interesting. Like, for instance, to 
create versions with facility to ONLY add notes & bookmarks.

Regards
Josiah

On Friday, 17 June 2016 09:14:34 UTC+2, John Newell wrote:
>
> Missed a bit .
>
> My objective is to have thousands of reader using tiddlywiki - with ease ( 
> though not editing it ) . Or at least - not in the way you'd imagine.
>
> Cheers
> JN
>
> John Newell
> MAGILLA ENTERPRISES
> 0419992172
> jo...@social.as 
> tw: @magillamax
>
> On 17 Jun 2016, at 4:24 PM, Mat > wrote:
>
> Hi John, you mentioned in another thread that your book is about to be 
> released.
>
> Could I, on behalf o f the community, ask you to share your final 
> TW-as-eBook setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an 
> edition and I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people - 
> including people who would not otherwise begin using TW.
>
> Thank you!
>
> <:-)
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Missed a bit .

My objective is to have thousands of reader using tiddlywiki - with ease ( 
though not editing it ) . Or at least - not in the way you'd imagine.

Cheers
JN

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> On 17 Jun 2016, at 4:24 PM, Mat  wrote:
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> Hi John, you mentioned in another thread that your book is about to be 
> released.
> 
> Could I, on behalf o f the community, ask you to share your final TW-as-eBook 
> setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an edition and 
> I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people - including people who 
> would not otherwise begin using TW.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
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Re: [tw] Re: TW5 as a better option than ePub.

[John Newell]

Hi Mat

Thanks for the email, I would be honoured to do so. 

Soon after launching I will strip it back as a twBook template and provide it - 
don't think of it as earth-shattering stuff ( but with help I am sure it could 
be ! )

I believe what TW is capable of FAR EXCEEDS the functionality and BEAUTY of 
other eBook formats - and my limited coding ability holds me back from making 
this THE future for eBooks - yes - I am an advocate and part-visionary as I see 
in TW what hasn't been used to advantage 

I know that's immodest - but that's my role  And I can SEE an amazing book 
to follow the one you'll see shortly.

All the best
John Newell
Yarra Valley. Australia 
Skype -  johnrnewell
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> setup (without content) ? It sounds like a spot-on thing as an edition and 
> I'm sure it would be very appealing to a lot of people - including people who 
> would not otherwise begin using TW.
> 
> Thank you!
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