Hi Marc - and thanks for your input. It's great to see another format where TW can provide a solution as a dynamic (e)book.
I hope I am reading this correctly - but the idea you have it to produce a collective TWebook - pristine -organised -well presented. distribute it and allow for each file distributed the ability for the reader / user to add THEIR comments, extra stories and perspectives. and make THAT function *easy.... really easy.* Whilst I totally believe that a hybrid TW5 could produce that..... it may take time and be lower down the list than we'd like. My solution currently is to purchase a *www.padlet.com <http://www.padlet.com>* account ($US29pa ) and add unique "padlets" as embeds to each TWeBook It does mean adding a unique embed code to each new copy of the TWebook for distribution. but the uniqueness, readability and dynamics of padlet make that an awesome option. padlet don't do a great job of opening the eyes and imaginations of the users that well.. but padlet is an IDEAL choice as any and all of these page ( tiddler ) options in your book : - gallery - journal - notes - copied docs ( such as Scout recipes ) - storytelling ( a Scout tradition ) - dynamic events listing ( which can also be easily "pulled in" via iframe code ) - inspirations its also instantly renders : - mp3, mp4, avi - ppt, doc, pdf, txt, rtf, etc etc - png, svg, bmp, gif, jpg etc etc and is my go to now that dropbox is discontinuing its rendering / hosting service. I am excited by the interest developing on the recent "swing" to TW5 being used, recognised and further enhanced as a storytelling application. Like most of the TW fraternity we predominantly use TW5 files as collections of information in snippets and related parts. Linked easily by CamelCasing and markdown. And I'm sure we all get a "tingle of excitement" when a cool addition, plugin or slice of code makes it more dynamic. But - to what end? Yep - as a wiki - it is great. The best! As a storytelling device - as clumsy or incomplete as WE may see it - TW5 makes ePub look ugly and old as a book delivery format. And ePub trails behind TW5 in the dynamics which are possible - AND - the emjoyable reading experience it provides. *BUT - as Marc highlights - the fun * On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 8:34:02 AM UTC+11, Marc wrote: > > I thought I'd chime in on this. I may be a renegade but I think TW5 can be > much better than an ePub because of its ability for the user to make > changes. > > Our church has an excellent but dated family activity book. It has lots of > ideas with descriptions of each idea. Families that can't think of > something can look through the book and it sparks ideas. The best thing > about the book is the organization. > > Often in our family we would assign a child to find an activity and there > are games and things to do on walks and all sorts of stuff. > > It is also great for youth groups to come up with an annual plan of > activities. > > One problem with the book is since it is a simple paper and ink book when > the kids get married they want a copy of our family version that has all > sorts of notes and phone numbers and stuff that has been added to the > pages. > > I also have used this book with a Boy Scout group that I have worked with > for many years. When I am released from that role I know the next leader > would love a copy so he or she doesn't have to start over from scratch. > > ePubs don't fill the bill because they aren't able to change and therefore > aren't cherished like this book is. > > My idea is to create a TW that can be distributed in its pristine form and > keep it simple enough that users can easily make it there's. > > This way I can keep one version for my scouts. In fact I can give versions > to the youth leaders and let them create their own patrol version and > someday I can simply email the latest version to the new leader when I > leave. And I can still have my Scout version for me to page through and > remember good memories. > > I can also give copies of our family version to my kids and grandkids over > time. Wouldn't that make a great Christmas or wedding present. > > I can see that ePub is a way to make money and protect intellectual > property but I would like to hear your thoughts about this use of TW. > > Cheers > Marc > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 21, 2016, at 7:45 AM, John Newell <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > Hi Jed - thanks for the feedback > > We actually tried doing that with Spiritual Quest eBook and rounded up > some ( novices to TW5 ) and gave them chapters done as slideshows. > displaying one page at a time - just clicking the series of small icons > atop that tiddler > > there were a few that liked it - but the vast majority found : > > - the icons too small on mobile devices to navigate successfully ( the > "all-thumbs" response ) > - the pages then too many ( which is almost the same experience as > ePub ) except ePub benefits from finger-slide page turns AND auto-flowing > of fluid text > - --- We questioned which felt better ePub or TWebook and TW was > categorically favoured - mainly because it LOOKED better overall. > > The problem with slides is that you'd need a version for mobile, one for > tablet and one for desktop in separating tiddlers...... > > > TW5 already has inbuilt flowable text - DOWN the page - seemlessly. > > Whilst that initially confused the throng of test bunnies we threw these > to, they warmed to it - especially when the ability to have IMAGES appear > where they should be was evident. > > > what is more natural on a TECH DEVICE ? > > It has to be more comfortable that the weird mobile phone attachment > > that allows you to hear the other talked when you put you finger in your > ear !!! > (SGNL - https://youtu.be/Yh1M5kVlNOw ) > > > > > On Monday, November 21, 2016 at 11:25:52 PM UTC+11, Jed Carty wrote: >> >> I think that with what we have right now you could just split your text >> into different tiddlers for each section, where sections are either >> paragraphs or something longer, and have them display in order with a theme >> that doesn't show tiddler boundaries. It would be pretty simple to have >> something analogous to a page be a few paragraphs long and have buttons >> that will close the tiddlers currently displayed and open the set for the >> next or previous page. Then bookmarks could be to a page in the same way >> you would with epubs. >> >> The slide show plugins people have made already do pretty much this same >> thing, it would just be a different display of the same thing. The most >> difficult parts would probably be making tools to automatically split the >> paragraphs into pages. It would be easy to just say that a page is equal to >> 5 paragraphs, but if you have very long or very short paragraphs in some >> part of the book than you would have inconsistently sized pages and you may >> have some pages running off the screen. 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