Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

[Sylvain Naudin]

Le lundi 13 avril 2020 08:02:20 UTC+2, Peter Buyze a écrit :
>
> Thanks TonyM. Yes, Timimi looks like an ideal solution. Unfortunately 
> there is no Chromium version, so I cannot use it.
>


FYI, *Timimi 2.1* is out yesterday, now supports chrome, chromium, opera in 
addition to firefox.

https://github.com/ibnishak/Timimi

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

Bob is an enhanced version of node that can run multiple wikis at once 
time. It can also be shared in a multi-user manner. That is, if user Alice 
updates a tiddler, then user Lucy will see the change immediately, rather 
than having to reboot her node server like she would with plain node js.

But for new users, the more important fact is that Bob can be used to save 
single-file tiddlywikis -- once they have installed the plugin in the TW 
file (which will have to be installed using an existing saver technique -- 
a "chicken and egg" thing). The file can then be saved from any browser and 
from any directory, while still using it's "real" physical address in the 
url bar:

https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob/releases

There is also TiddlyServer, which does something similar:

https://github.com/Arlen22/TiddlyServer/releases

TS serves up your single file TW in the url bar (e.g. 
127.0.0.1:8080/mydata/myfile.html). It can serve up multiple files and data 
folder files. It doesn't require a plugin for saving, but it does require 
you to configure in advance the location of your TW files.

BTW, both Bob and TS will open a command box, at least in Windows. There is 
some controversy about how off-putting this might be for newcomers. To me 
it's not a big deal, since every window app opens at least one window. This 
is just a different kind of window.

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 1:35:21 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> Mark, what is BOB, where can I find it?
>
>
>
>
> 13 Apr 2020, 17:35 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:
>
> If you're getting an error with TD, then either
>
> 1. You have a corrupted TW file
> 2. You are using a plugin that doesn't agree with TD
>
> Re #1. You were using Violent Monkey? Possibly some bad code got saved. 
> You could drag and drop your old TW file into a new, empty TW file to 
> create a fixed TW.
>
> Re #2. You could disable any plugins you have installed (don't disable 
> "core"!), save, and reload and see if TD works.
>
> To use node.js to save, you would need to turn your TW into a data-folder 
> tiddler. This is often less convenient than a single-file TW, if you want 
> to take the file with you to other desktops or devices.
>
> But both Tiddlyserver and Bob will allow you to save single file TW files. 
> Bob requires you to install an extra plugin, but otherwise the saving is 
> almost transparent and works with your local directory structure. 
> Tiddlyserver serves up the file as a locally hosted file (e.g. your file is 
> in the browser as 127.0.0.1:8080/myfile.html).  Both Bob and Tiddlyserver 
> can work with any browser.
>
> Another solution is Polly. Polly is a batch shell solution that simply 
> finds your last downloaded version from the browser download directory, and 
> copies it back to the original directory and file name elsewhere on your 
> hard drive. Basically you can run polly once at the start of your session, 
> and then again at the end, and in-between just save using the download 
> saver (the red check mark). Or you can set Polly to run every few minutes 
> so that your file is constantly updated.
>
> https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/releases
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:46:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> Thanks Josuhua, you have described the issue well.
>
> I do not like saving in the cloud, so of all the methods the only one I'd 
> consider is TiddlyDesktop. I tried it but get a JS error notice, as I 
> reported here 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/EMXnym2Rbqs/abbmO4SaAgAJ
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

Mark, what is BOB, where can I find it?



13 Apr 2020, 17:35 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:

> If you're getting an error with TD, then either
>
> 1. You have a corrupted TW file
> 2. You are using a plugin that doesn't agree with TD
>
> Re #1. You were using Violent Monkey? Possibly some bad code got saved. You 
> could drag and drop your old TW file into a new, empty TW file to create a 
> fixed TW.
>
> Re #2. You could disable any plugins you have installed (don't disable 
> "core"!), save, and reload and see if TD works.
>
> To use node.js to save, you would need to turn your TW into a data-folder 
> tiddler. This is often less convenient than a single-file TW, if you want to 
> take the file with you to other desktops or devices.
>
> But both Tiddlyserver and Bob will allow you to save single file TW files. 
> Bob requires you to install an extra plugin, but otherwise the saving is 
> almost transparent and works with your local directory structure. 
> Tiddlyserver serves up the file as a locally hosted file (e.g. your file is 
> in the browser as 127.0.0.1:8080/myfile.html).  Both Bob and Tiddlyserver can 
> work with any browser.
>
> Another solution is Polly. Polly is a batch shell solution that simply finds 
> your last downloaded version from the browser download directory, and copies 
> it back to the original directory and file name elsewhere on your hard drive. 
> Basically you can run polly once at the start of your session, and then again 
> at the end, and in-between just save using the download saver (the red check 
> mark). Or you can set Polly to run every few minutes so that your file is 
> constantly updated.
>
> https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/releases
>
>
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:46:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josuhua, you have described the issue well.
>>
>> I do not like saving in the cloud, so of all the methods the only one I'd 
>> consider is TiddlyDesktop. I tried it but get a JS error notice, as I 
>> reported here >> https://groups.google.>> com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/>> 
>> EMXnym2Rbqs/abbmO4SaAgAJ
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki]

If you're getting an error with TD, then either

1. You have a corrupted TW file
2. You are using a plugin that doesn't agree with TD

Re #1. You were using Violent Monkey? Possibly some bad code got saved. You 
could drag and drop your old TW file into a new, empty TW file to create a 
fixed TW.

Re #2. You could disable any plugins you have installed (don't disable 
"core"!), save, and reload and see if TD works.

To use node.js to save, you would need to turn your TW into a data-folder 
tiddler. This is often less convenient than a single-file TW, if you want 
to take the file with you to other desktops or devices.

But both Tiddlyserver and Bob will allow you to save single file TW files. 
Bob requires you to install an extra plugin, but otherwise the saving is 
almost transparent and works with your local directory structure. 
Tiddlyserver serves up the file as a locally hosted file (e.g. your file is 
in the browser as 127.0.0.1:8080/myfile.html).  Both Bob and Tiddlyserver 
can work with any browser.

Another solution is Polly. Polly is a batch shell solution that simply 
finds your last downloaded version from the browser download directory, and 
copies it back to the original directory and file name elsewhere on your 
hard drive. Basically you can run polly once at the start of your session, 
and then again at the end, and in-between just save using the download 
saver (the red check mark). Or you can set Polly to run every few minutes 
so that your file is constantly updated.

https://github.com/Marxsal/polly/releases


On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 10:46:34 PM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> Thanks Josuhua, you have described the issue well.
>
> I do not like saving in the cloud, so of all the methods the only one I'd 
> consider is TiddlyDesktop. I tried it but get a JS error notice, as I 
> reported here 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/EMXnym2Rbqs/abbmO4SaAgAJ
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

TonyM, according to the Getting Started page after installing Node.js one needs 
to install TiddlyWiki. However, I have been using TiddlyBlink, so will it be 
possible to keep using TB, but via Node.js? 

13 Apr 2020, 09:27 by anthony.mus...@gmail.com:

> Peter
>
> Have you considered a node, tiddlyserver or bobexe install? The server 
> implementations present the wiki at an address and typically most browsers 
> work. If you are into single file wikis tiddlyserver is easy after setup.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

[TonyM]

Peter

Have you considered a node, tiddlyserver or bobexe install? The server 
implementations present the wiki at an address and typically most browsers 
work. If you are into single file wikis tiddlyserver is easy after setup.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks TonyM. Yes, Timimi looks like an ideal solution. Unfortunately there is 
no Chromium version, so I cannot use it.

13 Apr 2020, 04:20 by anthony.mus...@gmail.com:

> Also
>
> Most browsers have a setting on is it saved in the download folder the other 
> allows you to chose where to save a download. Chosing allows you to save over 
> the last filename. 
>
> Most of us quickly tire of this and choose a saver. My favorite on windows/ 
> Firefox is timimi which has a plugin and a local component.
>
> Regards
> Tony
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

Thanks Josuhua, you have described the issue well.

I do not like saving in the cloud, so of all the methods the only one I'd 
consider is TiddlyDesktop. I tried it but get a JS error notice, as I reported 
here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/EMXnym2Rbqs/abbmO4SaAgAJ

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13 Apr 2020, 03:36 by joshua.font...@gmail.com:

> This is a "browser specific saver" problem.
>
> You open your wiki "Peter(5)", you change it. You save it as "Peter(6)".
>
> You reload the tab..oops, you just reloaded "Peter(5)" without your changes.
>
> You open the new "Peter(6)" file on disk (in a new tab), you have your 
> changes back.
>
>
> The browser doesn't understand that you want to reload the new number, and 
> you told it to save the changed version with a different filename (by 
> allowing to auto-increment).
>
> This is the exact problem that other save methods were build to resolve.
>
> I also recommend checking out: > https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted
>
> Best,
>
> Joshua Fontany
>
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 8:13:55 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> LinOnetwo, thanks for the suggestion.
>>
>> I manually moved the original html file out of the Downloads folder into a 
>> folder of my choosing. I have set my browser to ask me each time when I 
>> click on save where it should save to. So, from that point of view I have no 
>> problems, I think.
>>
>> What I discovered today is that when I want to refresh/reload and click on 
>> the circular arrow button in the right hand pane, TW or the browser chooses 
>> to open the cached (= old) version. That's why I have disabled the circular 
>> arrow button, so now, if I want the latest version, I am forced to go to the 
>> folder of the various saved TW versions and choose the latest.
>>
>> I my humble opinion as a TW newbie I think the circular arrow button is 
>> misconfigured.
>>
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>> 11 Apr 2020, 18:06 by >> lindo...@gmail.com <>>> :
>>
>>> Hi, Peter:
>>>
>>> as long as you are using MacOS, you can use my solution to auto move html 
>>> file from download folder to a git repo, and auto backup it to github:
>>>
>>> See
>>>
>>> https://github.com/linonetwo/>>> Meme-of-LinOnetwo/blob/>>> 
>>> 455e6a21bb/serveAndWatchHTML.>>> js>>>  and >>> 
>>> https://github.com/linonetwo/>>> Meme-of-LinOnetwo/blob/>>> 
>>> 455e6a21bb/scripts/>>> installHTMLWatcher.sh
>>>
>>> 在 2020年4月11日星期六 UTC+8下午5:20:24，Peter Buyze写道：
>>>
 I am a bit confused and concerned about this.

 I have a folder where I save TW to. Each time I save TW it does not 
 replace the existing file, it creates a new one. So, let's my TW file is 
 called Peter. When I make changes to it, then save it, it is saved as 
 Peter(1). If I then continue using Peter and save it again, the file is 
 saved as Peter(2).

 This is great because it works as a sort of "Time Machine" allowing you to 
 go back to an earlier version, contrary to say a Word document, which, 
 each time you save it, it replaces the existing version in the folder, so 
 you cannot go back to a previous version like with TW.

 However, I have noticed that sometimes when I close the TW file and reopen 
 it the changes are not there. I may be doing something wrong. Is there 
 something that is obvious to anyone, or am I just being dense, or not 
 careful?

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

[TonyM]

Also

Most browsers have a setting on is it saved in the download folder the other 
allows you to chose where to save a download. Chosing allows you to save over 
the last filename. 

Most of us quickly tire of this and choose a saver. My favorite on windows/ 
Firefox is timimi which has a plugin and a local component.

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

[Joshua Fontany]

This is a "browser specific saver" problem.

You open your wiki "Peter(5)", you change it. You save it as "Peter(6)".

You reload the tab..oops, you just reloaded "Peter(5)" without your changes.

You open the new "Peter(6)" file on disk (in a new tab), you have your 
changes back.


The browser doesn't understand that you want to reload the new number, and 
you told it to save the changed version with a different filename (by 
allowing to auto-increment).

This is the exact problem that other save methods were build to resolve.

I also recommend checking out: https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted

Best,

Joshua Fontany

On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 8:13:55 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> LinOnetwo, thanks for the suggestion.
>
> I manually moved the original html file out of the Downloads folder into a 
> folder of my choosing. I have set my browser to ask me each time when I 
> click on save where it should save to. So, from that point of view I have 
> no problems, I think.
>
> What I discovered today is that when I want to refresh/reload and click on 
> the circular arrow button in the right hand pane, TW or the browser chooses 
> to open the cached (= old) version. That's why I have disabled the circular 
> arrow button, so now, if I want the latest version, I am forced to go to 
> the folder of the various saved TW versions and choose the latest.
>
> I my humble opinion as a TW newbie I think the circular arrow button is 
> misconfigured.
>
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> 11 Apr 2020, 18:06 by lindo...@gmail.com :
>
> Hi, Peter:
>
> as long as you are using MacOS, you can use my solution to auto move html 
> file from download folder to a git repo, and auto backup it to github:
>
> See
>
>
> https://github.com/linonetwo/Meme-of-LinOnetwo/blob/455e6a21bb/serveAndWatchHTML.js
>  
> and 
> https://github.com/linonetwo/Meme-of-LinOnetwo/blob/455e6a21bb/scripts/installHTMLWatcher.sh
>
> 在 2020年4月11日星期六 UTC+8下午5:20:24，Peter Buyze写道：
>
> I am a bit confused and concerned about this.
>
> I have a folder where I save TW to. Each time I save TW it does not 
> replace the existing file, it creates a new one. So, let's my TW file is 
> called Peter. When I make changes to it, then save it, it is saved as 
> Peter(1). If I then continue using Peter and save it again, the file is 
> saved as Peter(2).
>
> This is great because it works as a sort of "Time Machine" allowing you to 
> go back to an earlier version, contrary to say a Word document, which, each 
> time you save it, it replaces the existing version in the folder, so you 
> cannot go back to a previous version like with TW.
>
> However, I have noticed that sometimes when I close the TW file and reopen 
> it the changes are not there. I may be doing something wrong. Is there 
> something that is obvious to anyone, or am I just being dense, or not 
> careful?
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> No, no saver plug-in installed - I did not even know there is such a thing.
>

Ah!  I'd take a look here to get a bit clearer ... 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted

If you need more help to find the right save solution for you do ask!

It does get easier!

TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

No, no saver plug-in installed - I did not even know there is such a thing.

When I make a change to my TW file, whether by amending/creating a tiddler or 
by installing a plug-in, there comes a point where I have to save the amended 
TW file for which one clicks on the red tick in the right hand pane. Fine.

But after installing or uninstalling a plug-in one has to "reload", which is 
done by clicking on the red circular arrow. And that is where the problem 
arises because if, before reloading one has also made some amendments to 
tiddlers, the reloaded/refreshed file does not show those amendments.
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11 Apr 2020, 18:27 by tiddlytwee...@assays.tv:

> I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are doing. My impression is its as 
> Mark S. says?
>
> Do you have any saver plugin installed? 
>
> TT
>
> On Saturday, 11 April 2020 15:46:22 UTC+2, Mark S.  wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you're using the default saver mechanism. The file that is 
>> saved is different than the version in the tab. If the browser reloads, it 
>> will be the old version because the browser doesn't know that you want the 
>> downloaded version.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 4:37:50 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I work with a local file.
>>>
>>> I have now established the following:
>>> if you use the circular arrow in the right hand pane for reloading, the 
>>> cache will reload. If, instead of doing that you close your TW tab and 
>>> relaunch the TW file from the folder, you get the right version.
>>> I have disabled that reload/refresh button so I will be forced to launch 
>>> from the folder.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

[TiddlyTweeter]

I'm not sure I'm understanding what you are doing. My impression is its as 
Mark S. says?

Do you have any saver plugin installed? 

TT

On Saturday, 11 April 2020 15:46:22 UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> It sounds like you're using the default saver mechanism. The file that is 
> saved is different than the version in the tab. If the browser reloads, it 
> will be the old version because the browser doesn't know that you want the 
> downloaded version.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 4:37:50 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> Yes, I work with a local file.
>>
>> I have now established the following:
>> if you use the circular arrow in the right hand pane for reloading, the 
>> cache will reload. If, instead of doing that you close your TW tab and 
>> relaunch the TW file from the folder, you get the right version.
>> I have disabled that reload/refresh button so I will be forced to launch 
>> from the folder.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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OK, I understand Sylvain. Thanks a lot for your help :-)
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11 Apr 2020, 18:21 by sil...@gmail.com:

>
>
> Le samedi 11 avril 2020 16:42:38 UTC+2, Peter Buyze a écrit :
>
>> I use the red tick button in the right hand pane to save the file. TW asks  
>> me where I want to save it, so I point it to the folder I want it in.
>>
>> I know there is that saving every 5 mins. but I don't how that works and 
>> where TW would save those intermediate saves, although it would be useful to 
>> know.
>>
>
>
> On regular single html file, If you don't click on red tick button, you have 
> no saving. There is no saving every 5 minutes.
>
> After reading your last post, I do repeat : when your browser ask you were to 
> save, you can choose the same file if you want create n copies (but it's good 
> to have backup too). So if you write over existing file, the reload button 
> should be fine, since you have correctly save your last modification on the 
> same file.
>
> Hope this help.
>
> (to prevent this, many of us use browser extension to auto-save).
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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Le samedi 11 avril 2020 16:42:38 UTC+2, Peter Buyze a écrit :
>
> I use the red tick button in the right hand pane to save the file. TW 
> asks  me where I want to save it, so I point it to the folder I want it in.
>
> I know there is that saving every 5 mins. but I don't how that works and 
> where TW would save those intermediate saves, although it would be useful 
> to know.
>


On regular single html file, If you don't click on red tick button, you 
have no saving. There is no saving every 5 minutes.

After reading your last post, I do repeat : when your browser ask you were 
to save, you can choose the same file if you want create n copies (but it's 
good to have backup too). So if you write over existing file, the reload 
button should be fine, since you have correctly save your last modification 
on the same file.

Hope this help.

(to prevent this, many of us use browser extension to auto-save).

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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LinOnetwo, thanks for the suggestion.

I manually moved the original html file out of the Downloads folder into a 
folder of my choosing. I have set my browser to ask me each time when I click 
on save where it should save to. So, from that point of view I have no 
problems, I think.

What I discovered today is that when I want to refresh/reload and click on the 
circular arrow button in the right hand pane, TW or the browser chooses to open 
the cached (= old) version. That's why I have disabled the circular arrow 
button, so now, if I want the latest version, I am forced to go to the folder 
of the various saved TW versions and choose the latest.

I my humble opinion as a TW newbie I think the circular arrow button is 
misconfigured.
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11 Apr 2020, 18:06 by lindongw...@gmail.com:

> Hi, Peter:
>
> as long as you are using MacOS, you can use my solution to auto move html 
> file from download folder to a git repo, and auto backup it to github:
>
> See
>
> https://github.com/linonetwo/Meme-of-LinOnetwo/blob/455e6a21bb/serveAndWatchHTML.js
>  and 
> https://github.com/linonetwo/Meme-of-LinOnetwo/blob/455e6a21bb/scripts/installHTMLWatcher.sh
>
> 在 2020年4月11日星期六 UTC+8下午5:20:24，Peter Buyze写道：
>
>> I am a bit confused and concerned about this.
>>
>> I have a folder where I save TW to. Each time I save TW it does not replace 
>> the existing file, it creates a new one. So, let's my TW file is called 
>> Peter. When I make changes to it, then save it, it is saved as Peter(1). If 
>> I then continue using Peter and save it again, the file is saved as Peter(2).
>>
>> This is great because it works as a sort of "Time Machine" allowing you to 
>> go back to an earlier version, contrary to say a Word document, which, each 
>> time you save it, it replaces the existing version in the folder, so you 
>> cannot go back to a previous version like with TW.
>>
>> However, I have noticed that sometimes when I close the TW file and reopen 
>> it the changes are not there. I may be doing something wrong. Is there 
>> something that is obvious to anyone, or am I just being dense, or not 
>> careful?
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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I use the red tick button in the right hand pane to save the file. TW asks  me 
where I want to save it, so I point it to the folder I want it in.

I know there is that saving every 5 mins. but I don't how that works and where 
TW would save those intermediate saves, although it would be useful to know.

In any case, I don't use the reload button anymore.
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11 Apr 2020, 16:46 by tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com:

> It sounds like you're using the default saver mechanism. The file that is 
> saved is different than the version in the tab. If the browser reloads, it 
> will be the old version because the browser doesn't know that you want the 
> downloaded version.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 4:37:50 AM UTC-7, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> Yes, I work with a local file.
>>
>> I have now established the following:
>> if you use the circular arrow in the right hand pane for reloading, the 
>> cache will reload. If, instead of doing that you close your TW tab and 
>> relaunch the TW file from the folder, you get the right version.
>> I have disabled that reload/refresh button so I will be forced to launch 
>> from the folder.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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I've always assumed it was browser cache... I sometimes have the same problem 
using tiddly spot.. Make a change on phone... Open up on work computer and get 
the version of my wiki I last had on that machine. I mostly remember to hit the 
refresh button before I do anything new... Though occasionally I have to delve 
into the tiddly spot backups. 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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It sounds like you're using the default saver mechanism. The file that is 
saved is different than the version in the tab. If the browser reloads, it 
will be the old version because the browser doesn't know that you want the 
downloaded version.



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> Yes, I work with a local file.
>
> I have now established the following:
> if you use the circular arrow in the right hand pane for reloading, the 
> cache will reload. If, instead of doing that you close your TW tab and 
> relaunch the TW file from the folder, you get the right version.
> I have disabled that reload/refresh button so I will be forced to launch 
> from the folder.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

['Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki]

Yes, I work with a local file.

I have now established the following:
if you use the circular arrow in the right hand pane for reloading, the cache 
will reload. If, instead of doing that you close your TW tab and relaunch the 
TW file from the folder, you get the right version.
I have disabled that reload/refresh button so I will be forced to launch from 
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11 Apr 2020, 14:20 by sil...@gmail.com:

>
>
> Le samedi 11 avril 2020 11:20:24 UTC+2, Peter Buyze a écrit :
>
>>
>> I have a folder where I save TW to. Each time I save TW it does not replace 
>> the existing file, it creates a new one. So, let's my TW file is called 
>> Peter. When I make changes to it, then save it, it is saved as Peter(1). If 
>> I then continue using Peter and save it again, the file is saved as Peter(2).
>>
>>
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> Are you working with a local file ?
>
> And then, if you work with standard save of TW, it depend on your browser 
> setting, with save to your download folder for example. If you change to ask 
> you where to save, you'll be replace existing file if you want.
>
>
> Sylvain
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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Mat, reading the exchange on the Github page you link to, it seems to me it is 
a cache issue.
I have just relaunched Chromium from the terminal with a command to disable the 
cache, and will see if that avoids the issue. If it does, fine, but it is a 
workaround and is not the way it should be.
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> Yes, that is a big problem if it happens (or, even worse, it happens but you 
> don't even notice). It sounds like the same issue that I report > here 
> > .
> The way around it, which is definitely not optimal, is to hold down the Shift 
> key as the page is loaded. If it was already loaded with old version, then 
> refresh+Shiftkey.
> What system+browser are you using? I find it happens less frequently with 
> Chrome than with FF on my Win machine.
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Re: [tw5] Re: Saving TW

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I am on MacOS Mojave 10.14.6 and am using Ungoogled Chromium.

I have not created many tiddlers yet as I am still exploring TW, but this is 
definitely very scary, esp. if I sometimes notice it by accident.
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> Yes, that is a big problem if it happens (or, even worse, it happens but you 
> don't even notice). It sounds like the same issue that I report > here 
> > .
> The way around it, which is definitely not optimal, is to hold down the Shift 
> key as the page is loaded. If it was already loaded with old version, then 
> refresh+Shiftkey.
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> Chrome than with FF on my Win machine.
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