Re: [twdev] More problems with dev environment on node...

[stefano franchi]

Hi Jeremy,

thanks for your reply. Indeed, I had figured out my wrong approach exactly
along the lines you sketch in your message.  I was about to write down an
addendum on "How to develop a plugin with Node and TW5 in your own repo"
for possible inclusion in the docs when I got your message.

Here is what I did, for future ref:

1. Blank slate: erased the local copy of the TW5, plugins folder, and son
on.

2. Installed tiddlywiki with my distribution's  package manager
 (pacman, as I am on Archlinux)

3. Created a local barebones tiddlywiki server edition with the usual
--init server command

4. Added a plugins/myplugin folder to the newly created, personal tiddlywiki

5. Created a plugin.info file and a skeletal myplugin.js plugin into that
folder

6. Added "plugins/myplugin" to the tiddlywiki.info file in the local
tiddlywiki root

7. Added Github repos for the plugin and external library

pretty much you suggested...


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:27 AM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Hi Stefan
>
> Those were indeed the instructions I found first. But on the dev site, at
> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#Developing%20plugins%20using%20Node.js%20and%20GitHub,
> the instructions are different.
>
>
> Those instructions are for plugin development. They are focussed on adding
> the plugin to the TW5 repo because that’s what you’d need to do if you
> planned to submit the plugin as a PR to the core. We should probably add an
> update with instructions for working on a plugin within an independent repo.
>
> You can see plugins in their raw state in the plugins folder of the TW5
> repo. You can also add a “plugins” folder to your wiki folder (alongside
> the tiddlywiki.info file), and within that plugins folder have any number
> of named plugin folders (ie, the plugin folders will be something like
> mywiki/plugins/myplugin/plugin.info).
>
> They tell you to clone the github repo, and install the tw5.com edition,
> not the barebone server one.  This is what fails, and twice,  as I
> described in my post. First it fails to install the locally  modified
> TW5.com  edition, and then it fails to boot  because it
> has the wrong path for the language tiddlers (and perhaps it would fail for
> other paths as well, but  boot.js crashes).
>
>
> The first problem in your OP seems to be a problem with the shell finding
> the right copy of TW, perhaps a problem with the PATH environment variable?
>
>
> Regardless, I gave up on installing tw5.com and and now focusing on the
> barebone server edition. The next obstacle is how to convice tiddlywiki to
> recognize a plugin written externally (i.e. directly as a .js file in an
> external editor). There appears to be some magic that escapes me.
>
>
> See the notes above.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
>
> BTW, I am indeed on linux and using the bash shell
>
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Re: [twdev] More problems with dev environment on node...

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Stefan

> Those were indeed the instructions I found first. But on the dev site, at 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#Developing%20plugins%20using%20Node.js%20and%20GitHub
>  
> ,
>  the instructions are different.

Those instructions are for plugin development. They are focussed on adding the 
plugin to the TW5 repo because that’s what you’d need to do if you planned to 
submit the plugin as a PR to the core. We should probably add an update with 
instructions for working on a plugin within an independent repo.

You can see plugins in their raw state in the plugins folder of the TW5 repo. 
You can also add a “plugins” folder to your wiki folder (alongside the 
tiddlywiki.info  file), and within that plugins folder 
have any number of named plugin folders (ie, the plugin folders will be 
something like mywiki/plugins/myplugin/plugin.info ).

> They tell you to clone the github repo, and install the tw5.com 
>  edition, not the barebone server one.  This is what fails, 
> and twice,  as I described in my post. First it fails to install the locally  
> modified TW5.com  edition, and then it fails to boot  
> because it has the wrong path for the language tiddlers (and perhaps it would 
> fail for other paths as well, but  boot.js crashes).

The first problem in your OP seems to be a problem with the shell finding the 
right copy of TW, perhaps a problem with the PATH environment variable?

> 
> Regardless, I gave up on installing tw5.com  and and now 
> focusing on the barebone server edition. The next obstacle is how to convice 
> tiddlywiki to recognize a plugin written externally (i.e. directly as a .js 
> file in an external editor). There appears to be some magic that escapes me.

See the notes above.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefano
> 
> BTW, I am indeed on linux and using the bash shell
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Re: [twdev] More problems with dev environment on node...

[stefano franchi]

BTW, I must say tiddlywiki reminds me of the Smalltalk environment (not the
language, the system). Beautiful and super-powerful, but it would quickly
turn into a nightmare as soon as you tried to interface it with the
external world, be it source control systems, editors, libraries, or what
have you.
I hope I am wrong, as the Smalltalk story did not end well.
S.

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:41 PM stefano franchi 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:34 PM Brian Theado 
> wrote:
>
>> These steps work for me. If they work for you, maybe it can help you
>> track down your issue:
>>
>> 1. mkdir simple-tw-npm-test
>> 2. cd simple-tw-npm-test
>> # Ignore warnings here about missing package.json
>> 3. npm install tiddlywiki
>> 4. $(npm bin)/tiddlywiki wiki --init server
>> 5. $(npm bin)/tiddlywiki wiki --listen
>> 6. visit http://127.0.0.1:8080 in your browser
>>
>>
>> The tiddlers will be stored in the relative folder named 'wiki'
>>
>> BTW, '$(npm bin)' syntax in #4 and #5 is for bash. If you aren't using
>> Linux or Mac, then likely you aren't using bash. If that's the case, then
>> run the 'npm bin' command by itself and replace the '$(npm bin)' above with
>> the output you see. Also if you are on windows I guess you would need to
>> replace the forward slash with back slash.
>>
>> Now after typing this, I just realized it should be documented already
>> and I find it is:
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js. Are
>> these the instructions you are already following?
>>
>
>
> Those were indeed the instructions I found first. But on the dev site, at
> https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#Developing%20plugins%20using%20Node.js%20and%20GitHub,
> the instructions are different. They tell you to clone the github repo, and
> install the tw5.com edition, not the barebone server one.  This is what
> fails, and twice,  as I described in my post. First it fails to install the
> locally  modified TW5.com edition, and then it fails to boot  because it
> has the wrong path for the language tiddlers (and perhaps it would fail for
> other paths as well, but  boot.js crashes).
>
> Regardless, I gave up on installing tw5.com and and now focusing on the
> barebone server edition. The next obstacle is how to convice tiddlywiki to
> recognize a plugin written externally (i.e. directly as a .js file in an
> external editor). There appears to be some magic that escapes me.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
>
> BTW, I am indeed on linux and using the bash shell
>
> --
> Stefano Franchi
>
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> http://stefano.cleinias.org
>


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Re: [twdev] More problems with dev environment on node...

[stefano franchi]

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:34 PM Brian Theado  wrote:

> These steps work for me. If they work for you, maybe it can help you track
> down your issue:
>
> 1. mkdir simple-tw-npm-test
> 2. cd simple-tw-npm-test
> # Ignore warnings here about missing package.json
> 3. npm install tiddlywiki
> 4. $(npm bin)/tiddlywiki wiki --init server
> 5. $(npm bin)/tiddlywiki wiki --listen
> 6. visit http://127.0.0.1:8080 in your browser
>
>
> The tiddlers will be stored in the relative folder named 'wiki'
>
> BTW, '$(npm bin)' syntax in #4 and #5 is for bash. If you aren't using
> Linux or Mac, then likely you aren't using bash. If that's the case, then
> run the 'npm bin' command by itself and replace the '$(npm bin)' above with
> the output you see. Also if you are on windows I guess you would need to
> replace the forward slash with back slash.
>
> Now after typing this, I just realized it should be documented already and
> I find it is:
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js. Are these
> the instructions you are already following?
>


Those were indeed the instructions I found first. But on the dev site, at
https://tiddlywiki.com/dev/#Developing%20plugins%20using%20Node.js%20and%20GitHub,
the instructions are different. They tell you to clone the github repo, and
install the tw5.com edition, not the barebone server one.  This is what
fails, and twice,  as I described in my post. First it fails to install the
locally  modified TW5.com edition, and then it fails to boot  because it
has the wrong path for the language tiddlers (and perhaps it would fail for
other paths as well, but  boot.js crashes).

Regardless, I gave up on installing tw5.com and and now focusing on the
barebone server edition. The next obstacle is how to convice tiddlywiki to
recognize a plugin written externally (i.e. directly as a .js file in an
external editor). There appears to be some magic that escapes me.

Cheers,

Stefano

BTW, I am indeed on linux and using the bash shell

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Re: [twdev] More problems with dev environment on node...

[Brian Theado]

These steps work for me. If they work for you, maybe it can help you track
down your issue:

1. mkdir simple-tw-npm-test
2. cd simple-tw-npm-test
# Ignore warnings here about missing package.json
3. npm install tiddlywiki
4. $(npm bin)/tiddlywiki wiki --init server
5. $(npm bin)/tiddlywiki wiki --listen
6. visit http://127.0.0.1:8080 in your browser


The tiddlers will be stored in the relative folder named 'wiki'

BTW, '$(npm bin)' syntax in #4 and #5 is for bash. If you aren't using
Linux or Mac, then likely you aren't using bash. If that's the case, then
run the 'npm bin' command by itself and replace the '$(npm bin)' above with
the output you see. Also if you are on windows I guess you would need to
replace the forward slash with back slash.

Now after typing this, I just realized it should be documented already and
I find it is: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Installing%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js.
Are these the instructions you are already following?

Brian

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:01 PM stefano franchi 
wrote:

>
>
> I'm encountering more troubles getting a demo wiki to work after setting
> up the node/tiddlywiki as recommended. Two issues:
>
> 1. I cloned the TW5 repo from github into a local dir under my home dir
> and modified the tw5.com tiddlywiki.info file as per on the devs site. I
> also have a global version of the tiddlywiki source code installed in
> /usr/lib. I cannot seem to find a way to convince the tiddlywiki executable
> to look into the local version of the "editions" folder. It always uses the
> global file in /ur/lib. If I try to pass the full path to the local version
> of tw5.com to the tiddlywiki --init command, it always complains that the
> file cannot be found.
>
> 2. If I do try to install a server version based on the global tw.com
> templates, I end up being unable to start the server, because tiddlywiki
> stops booting process complaining it cannot find the ca-ES.tid file.
> Unsurprisingly so, since it looks for it in the wrong place, using a
> relative path that leads it astray. Using the path-prefix options does not
> seem to have any effect.
>
> This is very frustrating.  I must be approaching what I I thought would be
> a relatively  simple task the wrong way, . Either that or I am really dumb.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefano
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[twdev] More problems with dev environment on node...

[stefano franchi]

I'm encountering more troubles getting a demo wiki to work after setting up
the node/tiddlywiki as recommended. Two issues:

1. I cloned the TW5 repo from github into a local dir under my home dir and
modified the tw5.com tiddlywiki.info file as per on the devs site. I also
have a global version of the tiddlywiki source code installed in /usr/lib.
I cannot seem to find a way to convince the tiddlywiki executable to look
into the local version of the "editions" folder. It always uses the global
file in /ur/lib. If I try to pass the full path to the local version of
tw5.com to the tiddlywiki --init command, it always complains that the file
cannot be found.

2. If I do try to install a server version based on the global tw.com
templates, I end up being unable to start the server, because tiddlywiki
stops booting process complaining it cannot find the ca-ES.tid file.
Unsurprisingly so, since it looks for it in the wrong place, using a
relative path that leads it astray. Using the path-prefix options does not
seem to have any effect.

This is very frustrating.  I must be approaching what I I thought would be
a relatively  simple task the wrong way, . Either that or I am really dumb.

Any suggestions?


Cheers,

Stefano
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