Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
On 16/11/12 23:48, J. Forster wrote: PayPal is pretty much a law unto itself. Basically, if you choose to become involved with them, it's their bat, ball, glove, and ballpark. Your only real alternative is to play another game. Unfortunately, the younger generation of eBay sellers is convinced that PayPal and plastic is the only trustworthy way of doing business. I am somewhat pissed because I just lost out on an eBay item, not to another bidder as there was no one else, but to a PayPal only lockout. I think most sellers would drop Paypal like a hot stone if they could. For the most part ebay insist that you offer Paypal above anything else. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
I would strongly suggest that you consider buying Agilent Certi-Prime items not through EBay but through one of the distributors that they now sell much of their equipment through. I have dealt with Electro-Rent on this kind of equipment and had much better response and less hassle if there are problems. I don't know if E-R operates in the UK, but I suspect that there is an equivalent there. Sorry to hear you had trouble with the FieldFox as I am considering one myself. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of J. Forster Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 7:32 PM To: li...@lazygranch.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal. Tyhey used to. Have you asked them if they still do? -John = I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
On 17 November 2012 14:31, Tom Holmes thol...@woh.rr.com wrote: I would strongly suggest that you consider buying Agilent Certi-Prime items not through EBay but through one of the distributors that they now sell much of their equipment through. The discounts on eBay (48% was agreed, prior to my adding a couple of more options), were much better than on the Agilent web site (35%). I don't know how much I would have got off of other dealers, but quotes I've had on other equipment have been quite small discounts (5%) from the Agilent web site. I have dealt with Electro-Rent on this kind of equipment and had much better response and less hassle if there are problems. I don't know if E-R operates in the UK, but I suspect that there is an equivalent there. Microlease is one such place in the UK. A friend of mine has suggested to me Livingston Hire, which mainly hire kit, buy my friend said Cellnet used to get a better discount from Livingsone than they did from Agilent. I've not tried contacting them yet. Sorry to hear you had trouble with the FieldFox as I am considering one myself. In the 2-3 weeks I had the FieldFox, I discovered a large number of firmware bugs. Agilent agreed several were bugs, and others were submitted as requests for enhancements. Some of the bugs were so obvious - like the firmware version mine was shipped with, would not interface to a computer. That was not just a newly discovered bug, but had been documented in the release notes and was the stable release for some time. That was until Agilent discovered it had a bug which could give the wrong results under some conditions, so it was pulled from the Agilent web site. If you do get a FieldFox, the QuickCal is a nice option to have. It is not as accurate as a mechanical calibration kit, but still good, and very convenient. If the highest accuracy is not required, you just leave the cable open with an N,APC-7 or whatever connector you specify, and it does the cal from just the open connector. For better performance with a DUT which reflects very little, then a load is needed too, but that does not need to be a good quality load. For the very best performance, you need a mecanical cal kit. I paid for all the options, which with hindsight was not such a clever idea. If you do buy a FieldFox, I think I'd at least try to get a trial of the options for a few weeks - they can be time-limited. There are no hardware options - the hardware is there, but it needs to be enabled by software. I think several of the options are really aimed at technicians, who might have limited knowledge, as they just present information in a different way to which one can read off the S-parameters. For example, the vector-voltmeter, which is not a high impedance voltmeter as you might assume, but just gives a big display of the loss and electrical length of a bit of cable. Great big numbers, very easy to read, but actually showing you nothing you can't simly read off the S paramters. There's an option for antennas (I forget what it is called) which gives a time-domain response, to find faults in cables. That really tells you nothing the TDR option does not tell you. But the TDR option is a lot more capable (and a lot more expensive). But it is a bit pointless having both. Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79 Thanks Tom, Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above the limit of my credit card limit anyway. I believe in the UK there is some protection with debit cards, although credit cards are certainly safer. Dave === start of communication on eBay From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-03-12 05:28:25 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi, OK, I agree with you, and accept the deal of the N9923A with ALL options fitted at $14,780 + 20% sales TAX, bringing this to a total of $17,736. However, this is over the limit I can pay via Paypal, which is $10,000. I think it would be better if you sent me the bank details so I can do a wire transfer, but you will need to give me some refernece number so you can tie up the payment at your end. If not, how else do you suggest I pay you? Dave - drkirkby = Hi Dave, thanks for your understanding. We would prefer the handling on Paypal. One possibility, just issue one payment of $1 and one of $7736. Would that work for you? Regards, Julian ## From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-04-12 04:47:07 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi Julian, Do you regularly take Paypal in multiple payments and find it is OK? I have read a few stories on the internet about Paypal can get quite difficult over large payments - freezing peoples Paypal accounts, holding their money, and it taking ages to sort out. That's what concerns me - especially if the $1 goes through, but I can't get the rest to you. It could be a bit tricky. But I know you sell expensive stuff on eBay, so if you have a lot of experience with large sums, I'll try Paypal. Dave - drkirkby /end of ebay communicaton On 17 November 2012 16:40, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
Odd. I would have expected anybody's PayPal limit would be lower than the associated credit card limit. Logically, one should be therefore able to get a PayPal account without a credit card,. -John === This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above the limit of my credit card limit anyway. I believe in the UK there is some protection with debit cards, although credit cards are certainly safer. Dave === start of communication on eBay From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-03-12 05:28:25 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi, OK, I agree with you, and accept the deal of the N9923A with ALL options fitted at $14,780 + 20% sales TAX, bringing this to a total of $17,736. However, this is over the limit I can pay via Paypal, which is $10,000. I think it would be better if you sent me the bank details so I can do a wire transfer, but you will need to give me some refernece number so you can tie up the payment at your end. If not, how else do you suggest I pay you? Dave - drkirkby = Hi Dave, thanks for your understanding. We would prefer the handling on Paypal. One possibility, just issue one payment of $1 and one of $7736. Would that work for you? Regards, Julian ## From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-04-12 04:47:07 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi Julian, Do you regularly take Paypal in multiple payments and find it is OK? I have read a few stories on the internet about Paypal can get quite difficult over large payments - freezing peoples Paypal accounts, holding their money, and it taking ages to sort out. That's what concerns me - especially if the $1 goes through, but I can't get the rest to you. It could be a bit tricky. But I know you sell expensive stuff on eBay, so if you have a lot of experience with large sums, I'll try Paypal. Dave - drkirkby /end of ebay communicaton On 17 November 2012 16:40, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you need is a bank account. In fact, every time I try to buy something with Paypal, it defaults to taking the money from my bank account, and every time I need to change it to take it from my credit card. I appear to have a $10,000 limit on my Paypal account, but at Agilent's request, I split the transaction into two. That money came direct from my current account. Dave On 17 November 2012 22:06, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Odd. I would have expected anybody's PayPal limit would be lower than the associated credit card limit. Logically, one should be therefore able to get a PayPal account without a credit card,. -John === This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above the limit of my credit card limit anyway. I believe in the UK there is some protection with debit cards, although credit cards are certainly safer. Dave === start of communication on eBay From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-03-12 05:28:25 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi, OK, I agree with you, and accept the deal of the N9923A with ALL options fitted at $14,780 + 20% sales TAX, bringing this to a total of $17,736. However, this is over the limit I can pay via Paypal, which is $10,000. I think it would be better if you sent me the bank details so I can do a wire transfer, but you will need to give me some refernece number so you can tie up the payment at your end. If not, how else do you suggest I pay you? Dave - drkirkby = Hi Dave, thanks for your understanding. We would prefer the handling on Paypal. One possibility, just issue one payment of $1 and one of $7736. Would that work for you? Regards, Julian ## From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-04-12 04:47:07 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi Julian, Do you regularly take Paypal in multiple payments and find it is OK? I have read a few stories on the internet about Paypal can get quite difficult over large payments - freezing peoples Paypal accounts, holding their money, and it taking ages to sort out. That's what concerns me - especially if the $1 goes through, but I can't get the rest to you. It could be a bit tricky. But I know you sell expensive stuff on eBay, so if you have a lot of experience with large sums, I'll try Paypal. Dave - drkirkby /end of ebay communicaton On 17 November 2012 16:40, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John == You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you need is a bank account. In fact, every time I try to buy something with Paypal, it defaults to taking the money from my bank account, and every time I need to change it to take it from my credit card. I appear to have a $10,000 limit on my Paypal account, but at Agilent's request, I split the transaction into two. That money came direct from my current account. Dave On 17 November 2012 22:06, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Odd. I would have expected anybody's PayPal limit would be lower than the associated credit card limit. Logically, one should be therefore able to get a PayPal account without a credit card,. -John === This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above the limit of my credit card limit anyway. I believe in the UK there is some protection with debit cards, although credit cards are certainly safer. Dave === start of communication on eBay From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-03-12 05:28:25 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi, OK, I agree with you, and accept the deal of the N9923A with ALL options fitted at $14,780 + 20% sales TAX, bringing this to a total of $17,736. However, this is over the limit I can pay via Paypal, which is $10,000. I think it would be better if you sent me the bank details so I can do a wire transfer, but you will need to give me some refernece number so you can tie up the payment at your end. If not, how else do you suggest I pay you? Dave - drkirkby = Hi Dave, thanks for your understanding. We would prefer the handling on Paypal. One possibility, just issue one payment of $1 and one of $7736. Would that work for you? Regards, Julian ## From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-04-12 04:47:07 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi Julian, Do you regularly take Paypal in multiple payments and find it is OK? I have read a few stories on the internet about Paypal can get quite difficult over large payments - freezing peoples Paypal accounts, holding their money, and it taking ages to sort out. That's what concerns me - especially if the $1 goes through, but I can't get the rest to you. It could be a bit tricky. But I know you sell expensive stuff on eBay, so if you have a lot of experience with large sums, I'll try Paypal. Dave - drkirkby /end of ebay communicaton On 17 November 2012 16:40, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John Then you pay the overdraft charge... -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash. My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe. -John == On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John Then you pay the overdraft charge... -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
That works just fine. I have two Paypal accounts, one tied to my regular bank account which I use for purchases, and another tied to a small account at a local bank (where I keep almost nothing) which I use for selling. As soon as money goes into that account I use an ATM to withdraw cash, which makes it harder for Paypal to track even if that bank gave them records as there is no direct link to my other account. I did add a credit card to my main Paypal account but I find that useful at times. Peter On 11/17/2012 5:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John == You can get a Paypal account without a credit card. I think all you need is a bank account. In fact, every time I try to buy something with Paypal, it defaults to taking the money from my bank account, and every time I need to change it to take it from my credit card. I appear to have a $10,000 limit on my Paypal account, but at Agilent's request, I split the transaction into two. That money came direct from my current account. Dave On 17 November 2012 22:06, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Odd. I would have expected anybody's PayPal limit would be lower than the associated credit card limit. Logically, one should be therefore able to get a PayPal account without a credit card,. -John === This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 Credit cards were not mentioned, but this would have been above the limit of my credit card limit anyway. I believe in the UK there is some protection with debit cards, although credit cards are certainly safer. Dave === start of communication on eBay From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-03-12 05:28:25 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi, OK, I agree with you, and accept the deal of the N9923A with ALL options fitted at $14,780 + 20% sales TAX, bringing this to a total of $17,736. However, this is over the limit I can pay via Paypal, which is $10,000. I think it would be better if you sent me the bank details so I can do a wire transfer, but you will need to give me some refernece number so you can tie up the payment at your end. If not, how else do you suggest I pay you? Dave - drkirkby = Hi Dave, thanks for your understanding. We would prefer the handling on Paypal. One possibility, just issue one payment of $1 and one of $7736. Would that work for you? Regards, Julian ## From: drkirkby To: agilentused Subject: Re: Request to change an order: drkirkby sent a message about Agilent CertiPrime N9923A FieldFox Handheld RF Vector Network Analyzer 6GHz #170876934127 Sent Date: Sep-04-12 04:47:07 PDT Dear agilentused, Hi Julian, Do you regularly take Paypal in multiple payments and find it is OK? I have read a few stories on the internet about Paypal can get quite difficult over large payments - freezing peoples Paypal accounts, holding their money, and it taking ages to sort out. That's what concerns me - especially if the $1 goes through, but I can't get the rest to you. It could be a bit tricky. But I know you sell expensive stuff on eBay, so if you have a lot of experience with large sums, I'll try Paypal. Dave - drkirkby /end of ebay communicaton On 17 November 2012 16:40, Pete Lancashire p...@petelancashire.com wrote: Payment is possible with Paypal or credit card. On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 4:06 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1427 / Virus Database: 2441/5401 - Release Date: 11/17/12 ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash. My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe. -John == On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John Then you pay the overdraft charge... -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. De Erroribus Medicorum, R. Bacon, 13th century. If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 17 November 2012 23:37, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some reported on another mailing list that when calling Agilent, they had been advised to look on eBay for CertiPrime items from the seller agilentused All emails after the sales were from the UK offices of Agilent. Any emails sent to contactcenter...@agilent.com about this are answered. So as far as I'm concerned, this is Agilent. What annoys me is that it is Agilent who have supplied me faulty goods. They acknowledge the VNA has a hardware fault. They acknowledge several of the firmware bugs I reported are bugs. They have supplied me a product which is not fit for purpose, yet I lose a fairly large amount of money because of this. That does not seem very fair. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO. -John === On 17 November 2012 23:37, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some reported on another mailing list that when calling Agilent, they had been advised to look on eBay for CertiPrime items from the seller agilentused All emails after the sales were from the UK offices of Agilent. Any emails sent to contactcenter...@agilent.com about this are answered. So as far as I'm concerned, this is Agilent. What annoys me is that it is Agilent who have supplied me faulty goods. They acknowledge the VNA has a hardware fault. They acknowledge several of the firmware bugs I reported are bugs. They have supplied me a product which is not fit for purpose, yet I lose a fairly large amount of money because of this. That does not seem very fair. Dave ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some reported [...] Also to the extent that I could determine. All emails after the sales were from the UK offices of Agilent. Any emails sent to contactcenter...@agilent.com about this are answered. So as far as I'm concerned, this is Agilent. My email and phone calls went to Germany, perhaps because I was buying an oscilloscope rather than a VNA. agilentused also wanted me to use PayPal. I used two transactions. The first for the item and the second for software options. I would have also preferred credit card for the cash back, but agilentused wanted PayPal. Kevin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On Nov 17, 2012, at 4:37 PM, Don Latham d...@montana.com wrote: I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! I reviewed my email archive. Emails regarding my purchase from agilentused came from, and went to, the SMTP address of e...@agilent.com. It took almost 12 weeks to get my scope with the software options I ordered. In compensation for the delay, e...@agilent.com sent me two additional software license keys via email. Kevin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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If agilentused is selling stuff on eBay, might not the PayPal be an eBay thing, rather than an Agilent thing? Fer sure, eBay really, really pushes PayPal because they get an additional cut of the transaction. -John == On Nov 17, 2012, at 5:29 PM, David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net wrote: It is Agilent - at least to the extent I can determine. Some reported [...] Also to the extent that I could determine. All emails after the sales were from the UK offices of Agilent. Any emails sent to contactcenter...@agilent.com about this are answered. So as far as I'm concerned, this is Agilent. My email and phone calls went to Germany, perhaps because I was buying an oscilloscope rather than a VNA. agilentused also wanted me to use PayPal. I used two transactions. The first for the item and the second for software options. I would have also preferred credit card for the cash back, but agilentused wanted PayPal. Kevin ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 18 November 2012 01:02, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO. -John But I can imagine I would be a very long time on a phone trying to get someone able to deal with it. I don't get a particulary good rate on international calls here. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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On 18 November 2012 01:04, Kevin Rosenberg ke...@rosenberg.net wrote: agilentused also wanted me to use PayPal. I used two transactions. The first for the item and the second for software options. I would have also preferred credit card for the cash back, but agilentused wanted PayPal. Kevin I recently bought another VNA (HP 8720D) from a test equipent dealer in the USA. That was $16000. The dealer would accept wire, Paypal or credit card, but wanted to add a surcharge for both Paypal and credit card. It was intersting he wanted less for Paypal than he did for a credit card. I was initiallly a bit worried about wiring the money, but I'd satisfied myself he was a legit dealer when I spoke to a test equipment dealer in the UK, who confirmed the price I got was very good, and the dealer was reputable. So I wired the money, and saved myself a few percent. That transaction was relatively painless. I think if I buy anything else from agilentused, I'll just phone Agilent UK and ask to pay for it that way. A person I spoke to in Agilent said that would be fine. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal. Shipping delays
I have been waiting for two N1922A sensors for a couple months now from Agilentused the new eBay site. They have already offered a substantial discount on my next purchase. And their prices were already very good. The only concern is the delay has put the transaction beyond the point the eBay or PayPal will officially help out if there is a problem. That said I am sure that Agilent will resolve any problem to my satisfaction. Agilent used explained they are having some delays as they add products to the new system that should be resolved soon. My only concern is that because of the delay they do not rush when refurbishing the sensors. I would hate to start the wait all over again. I hope they work the delays out, it seems to be the cheapest source for many current Agilent products. For the others that have had problems, I would explain to Agilent that you have acted in good faith and expect a full refund or a product that performs as new. Agilent may not be aware that PayPal and eBay did not return fees because of their delays. Thomas Knox Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:37:08 -0700 From: d...@montana.com To: j...@quikus.com; time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal. I'm wondering if agilentused is really part of the Agilent corp or whatever it's called? or an independent company entirely? My only and last $.02! Don L J. Forster Not if you just walk into a bank and open an account with $100 cash. My point is not fraud, but that PayPal is not safe. -John == On 11/17/2012 4:37 PM, J. Forster wrote: Perhaps. That opens the possibility of linking a PayPal account to a bank account, then zeroing the balance. Somehow, I doubt that actually works. -John Then you pay the overdraft charge... -- mailto:o...@ozindfw.net Oz POB 93167 Southlake, TX 76092 (Near DFW Airport) ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. -- Neither the voice of authority nor the weight of reason and argument are as significant as experiment, for thence comes quiet to the mind. De Erroribus Medicorum, R. Bacon, 13th century. If you don't know what it is, don't poke it. Ghost in the Shell Dr. Don Latham AJ7LL Six Mile Systems LLP 17850 Six Mile Road POB 134 Huson, MT, 59846 VOX 406-626-4304 www.lightningforensics.com www.sixmilesystems.com ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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You don't ask, you don't get. And, is 10 UKP really significant compared to what you've spent or lost? Get to them, succinctly summarize, get a name, and then switch to email. YMMV, -John === On 18 November 2012 01:02, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: As I said, try calling Executive Complaints at the US HQ. LD calls are cheap these days. You have nothing to lose, IMO. -John But I can imagine I would be a very long time on a phone trying to get someone able to deal with it. I don't get a particulary good rate on international calls here. Dave. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
-Original Message- From: David Kirkby [] This is some of the communication between me and Agilent on eBay. I think it is clear Agilent wanted to use Paypal, and I did not. It was Agilent who said I should split the payment into two - one of $10,000 and the other of $7,736 [] Dave == $17,736 seems a high price when the typical configured is US $13,200 (GBP 8308): http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-1760161-pn-N9923A/fieldfox-handheld-rf-vector-network-analyzer-4-6-ghz?cc=GBlc=eng I have also experienced currency problems - when the US $ changed between me quoting and him paying. Accused me of all sorts when it was simply that there were currency fluctuations and my quote was in GBP. He ended up paying more dollars, and didn't like it at all! David -- SatSignal Software - Quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
[time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
I'm sure many on this list will have had bad experiences with eBay and/or Paypal. I've had a fair few myself, but the following is the single largest loss I have incurred, and was when buying directly from Agilent - not some reseller of Agilent equipment. The only winners are eBay and Paypal, with myself and Agilent both losing money. I will lose £452.90 (around $720 USD). I don't know how much Agilent have lost, but I suspect it is more than me. As an individual buyer, not part of a large company, the £452.90 will effect me more than it does a multi-billion dollar company like Agilent. The eBay seller was agilentused, which is Agilent selling some of their reconditioned (CertiPrime) items via eBay. Brief details are: * On the 4th September I purchased an N9923A portable vector network analyzer via Agilent from eBay. The purchase price was $17,736 (USD). * The transaction was paid via Paypal. Since I live in the UK, I had to pay Paypal £11463.74 (GBP). Obviously Paypal charge commission in converting my GBP to USD. * Just over a month later the VNA arrived from Agilent. The auction clearly stated the item would be dispatched from Malasia about 3 weeks after payment was received, so I was not surprised by this long shipment time. * The VNA arrived, and I was initially very pleased with it. It was clearly reconditioned to a high standard, with a new battery, new power supply, new manual, new case etc. The scratches which were on the unit were *very* minor. * I had various issues with this VNA - both a hardware fault and firmware bugs. The details are pretty irrelevant, but I would say the support from Agilent, especially from Afsi Moaveni, who supports this product, was excellent. * Agilent advised me the VNA needed to be returned for repair, as they suspected a system board needed replacing. * But given my concerns over the number of firmware bugs, for what should have been a mature product (released 2-3 years ago), I requested a refund. * Agilent agreed to a refund. * Agilent arranged for the VNA to be picked up via UPS, with Agilent paying the cost of the return shipping. * Rather than Agilent refund me in USD, I requested Agilent cancel the Paypal transaction, as I knew this would give me a 100% refund, not losing any money due to Paypal currency conversion fees. * Unfortunately, due to the time this had gone on, which was not helped by the long shipment time from Agilent to me, this was 70 days after I'd paid for the item. This is outside the 60-day limit for Paypal transactions to be cancelled. * I contacted Paypal to try to get this 60-day limit extended but was unsuccessful. I was advised that Agilent, being a large user of Paypal, would have had their own account manager, and that the Paypal account manager maybe able to cancel the transaction. * I advised Agilent of this, but Agilent were unable to cancel the Paypal transaction, so deceided to refund money to my UK bank account. * After various negotiations over this, in which I sent copies of my bank statement to Agilent showing them how much it cost me, I've been advised I will be refunded by the Agilent conversion rate for Nov’12 of 1.61078 USD = 1.00 GBP., which means I will receive £11,010.84. Hence the result of this, is that I've had to pay Paypal £11463.74, but will receive back £11010.84 from Agilent. Hence I will have lost £452.90 (around $720) of my own money. Hence let this be a warning to anyone else. A few things have contributed to this unfortunate experience. 1) Using Paypal for a transaction which incurred currency transfer fees. 2) The fact the transaction was for a fairly large sum of money. 3) Agilent's long dispatch time, which meant the issue took a long time to resolve. 4) Agilent's slightly unfavorable conversion rate of 1.61078 USD = 1.00 GBP, when xe.com gives 1.58840 USD = 1.00 GBP today. Of course Agilent have lost too: 1) Agilent have paid eBay fees 2) Agilent have paid Paypal fees 3) Agilent have paid the return shipping cost from my house to Agilent UK. 4) Agilent's support staff did their best to resolve the issues, and they obviously need to be paid. 5) A large number of Agilent staff were involved in the refund negotiations, who again need to be paid. 6) After fixing the hardware fault, Agilent will have to recondition the unit to sell it to someone else. I supsect the eBay/Paypal group have made at least $1000 from all this. Dr. David Kirkby - not a happy Paypal or Agilent customer. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
PayPal is pretty much a law unto itself. Basically, if you choose to become involved with them, it's their bat, ball, glove, and ballpark. Your only real alternative is to play another game. Unfortunately, the younger generation of eBay sellers is convinced that PayPal and plastic is the only trustworthy way of doing business. I am somewhat pissed because I just lost out on an eBay item, not to another bidder as there was no one else, but to a PayPal only lockout. YMMV, -John I'm sure many on this list will have had bad experiences with eBay and/or Paypal. I've had a fair few myself, but the following is the single largest loss I have incurred, and was when buying directly from Agilent - not some reseller of Agilent equipment. The only winners are eBay and Paypal, with myself and Agilent both losing money. I will lose £452.90 (around $720 USD). I don't know how much Agilent have lost, but I suspect it is more than me. As an individual buyer, not part of a large company, the £452.90 will effect me more than it does a multi-billion dollar company like Agilent. The eBay seller was agilentused, which is Agilent selling some of their reconditioned (CertiPrime) items via eBay. Brief details are: * On the 4th September I purchased an N9923A portable vector network analyzer via Agilent from eBay. The purchase price was $17,736 (USD). * The transaction was paid via Paypal. Since I live in the UK, I had to pay Paypal £11463.74 (GBP). Obviously Paypal charge commission in converting my GBP to USD. * Just over a month later the VNA arrived from Agilent. The auction clearly stated the item would be dispatched from Malasia about 3 weeks after payment was received, so I was not surprised by this long shipment time. * The VNA arrived, and I was initially very pleased with it. It was clearly reconditioned to a high standard, with a new battery, new power supply, new manual, new case etc. The scratches which were on the unit were *very* minor. * I had various issues with this VNA - both a hardware fault and firmware bugs. The details are pretty irrelevant, but I would say the support from Agilent, especially from Afsi Moaveni, who supports this product, was excellent. * Agilent advised me the VNA needed to be returned for repair, as they suspected a system board needed replacing. * But given my concerns over the number of firmware bugs, for what should have been a mature product (released 2-3 years ago), I requested a refund. * Agilent agreed to a refund. * Agilent arranged for the VNA to be picked up via UPS, with Agilent paying the cost of the return shipping. * Rather than Agilent refund me in USD, I requested Agilent cancel the Paypal transaction, as I knew this would give me a 100% refund, not losing any money due to Paypal currency conversion fees. * Unfortunately, due to the time this had gone on, which was not helped by the long shipment time from Agilent to me, this was 70 days after I'd paid for the item. This is outside the 60-day limit for Paypal transactions to be cancelled. * I contacted Paypal to try to get this 60-day limit extended but was unsuccessful. I was advised that Agilent, being a large user of Paypal, would have had their own account manager, and that the Paypal account manager maybe able to cancel the transaction. * I advised Agilent of this, but Agilent were unable to cancel the Paypal transaction, so deceided to refund money to my UK bank account. * After various negotiations over this, in which I sent copies of my bank statement to Agilent showing them how much it cost me, I've been advised I will be refunded by the Agilent conversion rate for Nov12 of 1.61078 USD = 1.00 GBP., which means I will receive £11,010.84. Hence the result of this, is that I've had to pay Paypal £11463.74, but will receive back £11010.84 from Agilent. Hence I will have lost £452.90 (around $720) of my own money. Hence let this be a warning to anyone else. A few things have contributed to this unfortunate experience. 1) Using Paypal for a transaction which incurred currency transfer fees. 2) The fact the transaction was for a fairly large sum of money. 3) Agilent's long dispatch time, which meant the issue took a long time to resolve. 4) Agilent's slightly unfavorable conversion rate of 1.61078 USD = 1.00 GBP, when xe.com gives 1.58840 USD = 1.00 GBP today. Of course Agilent have lost too: 1) Agilent have paid eBay fees 2) Agilent have paid Paypal fees 3) Agilent have paid the return shipping cost from my house to Agilent UK. 4) Agilent's support staff did their best to resolve the issues, and they obviously need to be paid. 5) A large number of Agilent staff were involved in the refund negotiations, who again need to be paid. 6) After fixing the hardware fault, Agilent will have to recondition the unit to sell it to someone else. I supsect the eBay/Paypal group have made at least $1000 from all this. Dr.
Re: [time-nuts] Warning if buying from directly from Agilent via eBay with Paypal.
I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Tyhey used to. Have you asked them if they still do? -John = I'm just amazed Aligent doesn't take credit cards directly. Paypal is for small time players. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
