Re: [tips] Obama on Federal Support of Education

2013-08-23 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
Why do they have to get a loan to get an education? To me, that seems to be the 
more important question.

Paul

On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:







“It is time to stop subsidizing schools that are not producing good results.”  
:)

“Good results” means graduation, employment, and pay-back of loans.

I expect universities will be evaluating departments in the same way.  Who pays 
her loans back more reliably – the graduate with a degree in management 
information systems or the one with a degree in psychology?

Cheers,

image001.jpghttp://www.ecu.edu/
Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology
East Carolina University, Greenville NC  27858-4353, USA, 
Earthhttp://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/Earth.htm
Voice:  252-328-9420 Fax:  252-328-6283
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[tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have probably seen 
it… That I am a proud alumni of Georgia Tech has absolutely nothing (that is, 
everything) to do with my sharing it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tN58EC6LE

Paul

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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread Christopher Green
However, it turns out to have been stolen. Oops.
http://gawker.com/georgia-tech-students-epic-welcome-speech-was-epical-1184716361

Chris
...
Christopher D Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4

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http://www.yorku.ca/christo

On 2013-08-23, at 8:46 AM, Paul C Bernhardt pcbernha...@frostburg.edu wrote:

 Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have probably 
 seen it… That I am a proud alumni of Georgia Tech has absolutely nothing 
 (that is, everything) to do with my sharing it. 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tN58EC6LE
 
 Paul
 
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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
Watching his high school speech coach's presentation, it is clear that it 
inspired the Georgia Tech student, but plagiarized is too strong a description, 
particularly given that he appears to have gotten permission. The only part he 
lifted more or less directly was the 'if you want to play music while giving a 
speech like a badass, you can do that, I AM doing that!' portion.

I'm a a vigorous pursuer of plagiarism in my classes. Nearly every semester I 
have between 1 and 3 students suffer significant grade reductions, sometimes 
direct course failures, in my classes due to it, many more suffer minor grade 
reductions for minor fouls. If this were given in my class and I knew the 
student had gotten permission from the original presenter, I would not give a 
penalty at all.

Paul

On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Christopher Green wrote:







However, it turns out to have been stolen. Oops.
http://gawker.com/georgia-tech-students-epic-welcome-speech-was-epical-1184716361

Chris
...
Christopher D Green
Department of Psychology
York University
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4

chri...@yorku.camailto:chri...@yorku.ca
http://www.yorku.ca/christo

On 2013-08-23, at 8:46 AM, Paul C Bernhardt 
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Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have probably seen 
it… That I am a proud alumni of Georgia Tech has absolutely nothing (that is, 
everything) to do with my sharing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tN58EC6LE

Paul

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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread MiguelRoig
I had seen the GTech speech earlier and sent it to a couple of my colleagues 
with the hope that one of our students could be inspired to give a similar 
speech during one of our open houses. I admit to have been somewhat 
disappointed to learn (thanks, Chris!) that the speech had been, in part, 
inspired by the one given by the speech coach. But, I fully agree with Paul's 
position. I suppose that, toward the beginning or the end of his address, the 
GTech student could have given a shout-out to the speech coach (e.g., I thank 
so and so whose speech in such and such a date inspired this address or 
something to that effect). With some creativity, such acknowledgment can be 
done in a way that does not in any way detract from the impact of the 
presentation. 

Miguel 



Watching his high school speech coach's presentation, it is clear that it 
inspired the Georgia Tech student, but plagiarized is too strong a description, 
particularly given that he appears to have gotten permission. The only part he 
lifted more or less directly was the 'if you want to play music while giving a 
speech like a badass, you can do that, I AM doing that!' portion. 

I'm a a vigorous pursuer of plagiarism in my classes. Nearly every semester I 
have between 1 and 3 students suffer significant grade reductions, sometimes 
direct course failures, in my classes due to it, many more suffer minor grade 
reductions for minor fouls. If this were given in my class and I knew the 
student had gotten permission from the original presenter, I would not give a 
penalty at all. 

Paul 

On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Christopher Green wrote: 










However, it turns out to have been stolen. Oops. 
http://gawker.com/georgia-tech-students-epic-welcome-speech-was-epical-1184716361
 

Chris 
... 
Christopher D Green 
Department of Psychology 
York University 
Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 

chri...@yorku.ca 
http://www.yorku.ca/christo 

On 2013-08-23, at 8:46 AM, Paul C Bernhardt  pcbernha...@frostburg.edu  
wrote: 


blockquote

Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have probably seen 
it… That I am a proud alumni of Georgia Tech has absolutely nothing (that is, 
everything) to do with my sharing it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tN58EC6LE 

Paul 

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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Palij

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:35:00 -0700, Christopher Green wrote:

However, it turns out to have been stolen. Oops.
http://gawker.com/georgia-tech-students-epic-welcome-speech-was-epical-1184716361


Okay, maybe I'm a little more dense today than usual, maybe
I need to up my medication (or reduce it), or maybe I should
just have another cup of coffee but can someone explain to me
in what sense the presentation below is plagiarism of the presentation
above? In order to establish a common framework for discussion,
let use the following definition from the Indiana University, 
Bloomington's

School of Education page on plagiarism:

|3. Plagiarism.
|
|Plagiarism is defined as presenting someone else's work, including
|the work of other students, as one's own. Any ideas or materials
|taken from another source for either written or oral use must be fully
|acknowledged, unless the information is common knowledge. What
|is considered common knowledge may differ from course to course.
|
|a. A student must not adopt or reproduce ideas, opinions, theories,
|formulas, graphics, or pictures of another person without 
acknowledgment.

|
|b. A student must give credit to the originality of others and 
acknowledge

|an indebtedness whenever:
|
|1. Directly quoting another person's actual words, whether oral or
|written;
|
|2. Using another person's ideas, opinions, or theories;
|
|3. Paraphrasing the words, ideas, opinions, or theories of others,
|whether oral or written;
|
|4. Borrowing facts, statistics, or illustrative material; or
|
|5. Offering materials assembled or collected by others in the form of
|projects or collections without acknowledgment.

Now, both presentation involved topics about science fiction, both
used Strauss' Thus Sprach Zarathrustra, and both were oriented
toward a young audience that was familiar with the references being
made in the presentation but where did the second presentation:

(a) Directly quote the first presentation?

(b) Use the ideas, opinions, or theories of the first presentation?

(c) Paraphrase the words, ideas, opinion, or theories of the first
presentation?

(d) Borrow facts, statistics, or illustrative material (NOTE: both
presentations involve science fiction but the second presentation
does not use the same examples used in the first presentation)?

(e) Offer materials assembled or collected in the first presentation?

Stylistically, they are similar but not identical.  So, in what sense
does the second presentation plagiarize the first presentation?

After that, one could try to show how Tarantino's Kill Bill movies
plagiarize a lot of movies, ranging from Francois Truffaut's
The Bride Wore Black to the Stephen Segall Hard to Kill.
For a more or less complete list of movies referenced in KB see:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266697/movieconnections

Is Kill Bill 1  2 plagiarism? Quentin Tarantino is listed as the writer
and director and no one else.  Or is this simply an homage?

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



On 2013-08-23, at 8:46 AM, Paul C Bernhardt pcbernha...@frostburg.edu 
wrote:
Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have 
probably
seen it. That I am a proud alumni of Georgia Tech has absolutely 
nothing

(that is, everything) to do with my sharing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tN58EC6LE 



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[tips] FO/VO in class

2013-08-23 Thread michael sylvester
How can the stream of consciousness of feminine odor and vaginal odor in the 
classroom be managed?
michael
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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread MiguelRoig
In the arts things get a little tricky. I've heard about plagiarism of 
composition (art, photography) plagiarism of theatrical designs and sets, of 
product designs, etc. As an example, I use this video in one of my 
presentations on plagiarism to raise the question: Yes, we know it when we see 
it, but at what point does being inspired by a work represents crosses the line 
into plagiarism? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-FGtYACzI . Did Michael 
Jackson plagiarize his dance moves? 

Miguel 
- Original Message -

From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu 
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) 
tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu 
Cc: Michael Palij m...@nyu.edu 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:10:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [tips] While we bemoan education 

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:35:00 -0700, Christopher Green wrote: 
However, it turns out to have been stolen. Oops. 
 http://gawker.com/georgia-tech-students-epic-welcome-speech-was-epical-1184716361
  

Okay, maybe I'm a little more dense today than usual, maybe 
I need to up my medication (or reduce it), or maybe I should 
just have another cup of coffee but can someone explain to me 
in what sense the presentation below is plagiarism of the presentation 
above? In order to establish a common framework for discussion, 
let use the following definition from the Indiana University, 
Bloomington's 
School of Education page on plagiarism: 

|3. Plagiarism. 
| 
|Plagiarism is defined as presenting someone else's work, including 
|the work of other students, as one's own. Any ideas or materials 
|taken from another source for either written or oral use must be fully 
|acknowledged, unless the information is common knowledge. What 
|is considered common knowledge may differ from course to course. 
| 
|a. A student must not adopt or reproduce ideas, opinions, theories, 
|formulas, graphics, or pictures of another person without 
acknowledgment. 
| 
|b. A student must give credit to the originality of others and 
acknowledge 
|an indebtedness whenever: 
| 
|1. Directly quoting another person's actual words, whether oral or 
|written; 
| 
|2. Using another person's ideas, opinions, or theories; 
| 
|3. Paraphrasing the words, ideas, opinions, or theories of others, 
|whether oral or written; 
| 
|4. Borrowing facts, statistics, or illustrative material; or 
| 
|5. Offering materials assembled or collected by others in the form of 
|projects or collections without acknowledgment. 

Now, both presentation involved topics about science fiction, both 
used Strauss' Thus Sprach Zarathrustra, and both were oriented 
toward a young audience that was familiar with the references being 
made in the presentation but where did the second presentation: 

(a) Directly quote the first presentation? 

(b) Use the ideas, opinions, or theories of the first presentation? 

(c) Paraphrase the words, ideas, opinion, or theories of the first 
presentation? 

(d) Borrow facts, statistics, or illustrative material (NOTE: both 
presentations involve science fiction but the second presentation 
does not use the same examples used in the first presentation)? 

(e) Offer materials assembled or collected in the first presentation? 

Stylistically, they are similar but not identical. So, in what sense 
does the second presentation plagiarize the first presentation? 

After that, one could try to show how Tarantino's Kill Bill movies 
plagiarize a lot of movies, ranging from Francois Truffaut's 
The Bride Wore Black to the Stephen Segall Hard to Kill. 
For a more or less complete list of movies referenced in KB see: 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266697/movieconnections 

Is Kill Bill 1  2 plagiarism? Quentin Tarantino is listed as the writer 
and director and no one else. Or is this simply an homage? 

-Mike Palij 
New York University 
m...@nyu.edu 



On 2013-08-23, at 8:46 AM, Paul C Bernhardt pcbernha...@frostburg.edu 
wrote: 
 Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have 
 probably 
 seen it. That I am a proud alumni of Georgia Tech has absolutely 
 nothing 
 (that is, everything) to do with my sharing it. 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0tN58EC6LE 


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[tips] Teaching Position in Counseling

2013-08-23 Thread Lisa Hager


Spring Hill College, a Jesuit, Catholic liberal arts
institution, invites applications for a tenure-track position at the Assistant
Professor level in Counseling Psychology
to begin August 2014. We seek applicants who are strongly committed to
excellence in teaching and have the ability and willingness to direct
undergraduate research. Candidates should have a completed Ph.D. from an
APA-accredited program by start date. Alabama licensure or license eligibility
is preferred. Qualified candidates should have the ability to teach General
Psychology, Abnormal Psychology, Approaches to Psychotherapy, Tests 
Measures and other courses related to their specialty. Interested applicants 
should send letter of application, vita, unofficial
graduate transcripts, three letters of recommendation, statements of teaching 
and
research philosophies, copies of student evaluations, and representative
syllabi to psychsea...@shc.edu
or hard copies to Department of Psychology, Spring Hill College, 4000 Dauphin
St., Mobile, AL 36608. Application review will begin immediately and continue
until position is filled.  An Equal
Opportunity Employer

 



Lisa D. Hager, Ph.D.
Department of Psychology
Spring Hill College
4000 Dauphin St.
Mobile, AL 36608
251 380 3055
lha...@shc.edu
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[tips] Student Loans

2013-08-23 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
  In some cases, because they need to pay for a fancy apartment with 
swimming pool etc,, a smart phone with unlimited service, a new car, meals off 
campus, and all those essentials that I never had when a student.

Cheers,
[Karl L. Wuensch]http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm
From: Paul C Bernhardt [mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Obama on Federal Support of Education

Why do they have to get a loan to get an education? To me, that seems to be the 
more important question.

Paul

On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:

It is time to stop subsidizing schools that are not producing good results.  
:)

Good results means graduation, employment, and pay-back of loans.

I expect universities will be evaluating departments in the same way.  Who pays 
her loans back more reliably - the graduate with a degree in management 
information systems or the one with a degree in psychology?

Cheers,

image001.jpghttp://www.ecu.edu/
Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology
East Carolina University, Greenville NC  27858-4353, USA, 
Earthhttp://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/Earth.htm
Voice:  252-328-9420 Fax:  252-328-6283
http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm


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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread Claudia Stanny
We could extend this discussion to teaching activities, structure of
courses/course syllabi, rubrics, etc.
Few of us invent any really new activities; we usually borrow and adopt to
local needs.
Do we need to footnote a pair-share activity every time we use it? What
about student poster sessions as final activities in lab classes?
What about intro psychology textbooks that use the same chapter
organization and often organize topics within chapters in near-identical
ways?
When I read research methods texts, the chapter on quasi-experimental
designs nearly always reads like an extended paraphrase of Campbell and
Stanley.

The person who develops entirely new activities and presentation styles is
novel and creative. The early adopters may be perceived as equally novel
and creative, although all they did was recognize a great idea and adapt
it. Eventually these become common practice.

When every student speaker at every convocation starts to coordinate the
speech with a sound track, people will say the performance is stale and
derivative. Think of all those Elvis impersonators!  :-)

Early on, we feel that something should be cited. After multiple adoptions
and modifications, it becomes common knowledge.

This can be a tricky judgment. I think many students struggle with the idea
of when an idea requires a citation and when it is common knowledge. At
some point, a transition occurs. How do we define when that line has been
crossed and explain it to our students?


_

Claudia J. Stanny, Ph.D.
Director
Center for University Teaching, Learning, and Assessment
Associate Professor
NSF UWF Faculty ADVANCE Scholar
School of Psychological and Behavioral Sciences
University of West Florida
11000 University Parkway
Pensacola, FL  32514 – 5751

Phone:   (850) 857-6355 (direct) or  473-7435 (CUTLA)

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Re: [tips] While we bemoan education

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Palij

On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 09:33:14 -0700,  Miguel Roig wrote:

In the arts things get a little tricky. I've heard about plagiarism of
composition (art, photography) plagiarism of theatrical designs
and sets, of product designs, etc. As an example, I use this video
in one of my presentations on plagiarism to raise the question:
Yes, we know it when we see it, but at what point does being
inspired by a work represents crosses the line into plagiarism?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-FGtYACzI
Did Michael Jackson plagiarize his dance moves?


I agree that the arts are a trickier business and I am content to leave
those issues regarding plagiarism to copyright lawyers. ;-) The
problem with the arts is that large amounts of money can be involved
and the claims for priority become more of a money grab.
Consider Robin Thicke, Pharrell Williams, and Clifford Harris Jr,'s
Song of the Summer (tm, Stephen Colbert ;-) Blurred Lines.
Both Marvin Gaye's family and Bridgeport Music which owns
the rights to the Funkadelic's song Sexy Ways are going to sue Thicke
because he and his co-writers copied their compositions. See:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/robin-thicke-sues-protect-blurred-607492
NOTE: see Funkadelic front man George Clinton's comments at the end.
and
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/marvin-gaye-son-implies-robin-thicke-ace-lawsuit-article-1.1433640
I don't know who is right in this situation but if one is caught up in
this kind of sh*tstorm, I'd follow Warren Zevon's advice:
Bring lawyers, guns, and money.

And this doesn't even involve sampling which is a bigger headache;
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28music%29

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



- Original Message -
On Friday, August 23, 2013 12:10:56 PM, Mike Palij scribbled in crayon:
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:35:00 -0700, Christopher Green wrote:

However, it turns out to have been stolen. Oops.
http://gawker.com/georgia-tech-students-epic-welcome-speech-was-epical-1184716361



Okay, maybe I'm a little more dense today than usual, maybe
I need to up my medication (or reduce it), or maybe I should
just have another cup of coffee but can someone explain to me
in what sense the presentation below is plagiarism of the presentation
above? In order to establish a common framework for discussion,
let use the following definition from the Indiana University,
Bloomington's
School of Education page on plagiarism:

|3. Plagiarism.
|
|Plagiarism is defined as presenting someone else's work, including
|the work of other students, as one's own. Any ideas or materials
|taken from another source for either written or oral use must be fully
|acknowledged, unless the information is common knowledge. What
|is considered common knowledge may differ from course to course.
|
|a. A student must not adopt or reproduce ideas, opinions, theories,
|formulas, graphics, or pictures of another person without
acknowledgment.
|
|b. A student must give credit to the originality of others and
acknowledge
|an indebtedness whenever:
|
|1. Directly quoting another person's actual words, whether oral or
|written;
|
|2. Using another person's ideas, opinions, or theories;
|
|3. Paraphrasing the words, ideas, opinions, or theories of others,
|whether oral or written;
|
|4. Borrowing facts, statistics, or illustrative material; or
|
|5. Offering materials assembled or collected by others in the form of
|projects or collections without acknowledgment.

Now, both presentation involved topics about science fiction, both
used Strauss' Thus Sprach Zarathrustra, and both were oriented
toward a young audience that was familiar with the references being
made in the presentation but where did the second presentation:

(a) Directly quote the first presentation?

(b) Use the ideas, opinions, or theories of the first presentation?

(c) Paraphrase the words, ideas, opinion, or theories of the first
presentation?

(d) Borrow facts, statistics, or illustrative material (NOTE: both
presentations involve science fiction but the second presentation
does not use the same examples used in the first presentation)?

(e) Offer materials assembled or collected in the first presentation?

Stylistically, they are similar but not identical. So, in what sense
does the second presentation plagiarize the first presentation?

After that, one could try to show how Tarantino's Kill Bill movies
plagiarize a lot of movies, ranging from Francois Truffaut's
The Bride Wore Black to the Stephen Segall Hard to Kill.
For a more or less complete list of movies referenced in KB see:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266697/movieconnections

Is Kill Bill 1  2 plagiarism? Quentin Tarantino is listed as the writer
and director and no one else. Or is this simply an homage?

-Mike Palij
New York University
m...@nyu.edu



On 2013-08-23, at 8:46 AM, Paul C Bernhardt pcbernha...@frostburg.edu
wrote:

Here is something that I think is a ton of fun, some of you have
probably
seen it. That 

Re: [tips] Student Loans

2013-08-23 Thread John Kulig









Oh the stories we could tell! I lived in an attic apartment (real cozy actually), drove a 1967 Volvo only when I left town (it was past its prime even then; the 67s were not the upscale Volvos of today), lived without any phone for a year, accepted care packages, and did babysitting for the faculty with kids . I didn't know any better ... didn't everyone live this way? And walked to school in 4 feet snow yeah yeah yeah ha haIt's difficult to be objective about all this though and I don't want to imply that we were freer of peer-induced "necessities". Kids do not need smart phones. On the other hand, I didn't really need the cool French 10 speed nor the Italian hiking boots etc etc. Priorities!JK==John W. Kulig, Ph.D.Professor of PsychologyCoordinator, Psychology HonorsPlymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 ==From: "Karl L Wuensch" wuens...@ecu.eduTo: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" tips@fsulist.frostburg.eduSent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:29:31 PMSubject: [tips] Student Loans
















 In some cases, because they need to pay for a fancy apartment with swimming pool etc,, a smart phone with unlimited service, a new car, meals off campus, and all those
 essentials that I never had when a student.


Cheers,




From: Paul C Bernhardt [mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu]

Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Obama on Federal Support of Education



Why do they have to get a loan to get an education? To me, that seems to be the more important question.





Paul





On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:




“It is time to stop subsidizing schools that are not producing good results.”J





“Good results” means graduation, employment, and pay-back of loans.





I expect universities will be evaluating departments in the same way. Who pays her loans back more reliably – the graduate with a degree in management information systems or the one with a
 degree in psychology?





Cheers,





image001.jpg


Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology
East Carolina University, Greenville NC 27858-4353, USA,Earth
Voice: 252-328-9420 Fax: 252-328-6283
http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm


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RE: [tips] Student Loans

2013-08-23 Thread Tim Shearon

John and others-  On the other hand, I didn't really need the cool French 10 
speed nor the Italian hiking boots etc etc.  Sounds very familiar! Or add to 
that the North Face tent (when they were a small hand constructing company no 
one had heard of the) or the MSR stove . . .  A very few splurges, yes.

My own experience has been that students who take loans at our school are 
similar to the way John and I were as undergrads. I also lived in an apartment 
carved out of an older house near campus during two years when I had loans (it 
was cheaper than the dorms, not more expensive). There was no pool, I rode the 
bicycle or walked most places (mine was British) because I couldn't afford the 
75-cent/gallon gas prices. I ate at home most of the time (cheaper) and dined 
out once a week on all you can eat night at a local pasta place (because I 
was running 40 miles a week). My fabulous wardrobe consisted of jeans and 
t-shirts mostly. I also worked two part time jobs much of the time and paid 
most of my own way the last two years at a private liberal arts college because 
both my parents had forced medical retirement. The parents helped all they 
could afford. Yes, today's students do need a cell phone- but they don't pay 
for internet and many work part time to pay for a few extras. (I have very few 
students who drive a new car or who don't live a rather Spartan lifestyle). I 
will admit that I'm somewhat nonplussed by some of their attitudes toward 
buying their textbooks. :) 
Tim

___
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Professor, Department of Psychology
The College of Idaho
Caldwell, ID 83605
email: tshea...@collegeofidaho.edu

teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and 
systems

You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker




  In some cases, because they need to pay for a fancy apartment with 
swimming pool etc,, a smart phone with unlimited service, a new car, meals off 
campus, and all those essentials that I never had when a student.

Cheers,
[Karl L. Wuensch]http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm
From: Paul C Bernhardt [mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:41 AM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] Obama on Federal Support of Education

Why do they have to get a loan to get an education? To me, that seems to be the 
more important question.

Paul

On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Wuensch, Karl L wrote:

“It is time to stop subsidizing schools that are not producing good results.”  ☺

“Good results” means graduation, employment, and pay-back of loans.

I expect universities will be evaluating departments in the same way.  Who pays 
her loans back more reliably – the graduate with a degree in management 
information systems or the one with a degree in psychology?

Cheers,

image001.jpghttp://www.ecu.edu/
Karl L. Wuensch, Professor and ECU Scholar/Teacher, Dept. of Psychology
East Carolina University, Greenville NC  27858-4353, USA, 
Earthhttp://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/Earth.htm
Voice:  252-328-9420 Fax:  252-328-6283
http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm


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