Re:[tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
Mike Palij provides the The description of Bilal's art: |The artwork, titled The 3rd I, is intended as “a comment on the |inaccessibility of time, and the inability to capture memory and |experience, the WSJ explains, quoting press materials from the |museum, which is to feature Bilal’s work among its inaugural exhibits. - I asked the postmodernism generator at: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/ to generate a review of the work, which I believe sums it up well. With a little appropriate editing: The main theme of the works of Bilal is the bridge between reality and society. Therefore, Bilal promotes the use of Sartreist absurdity to challenge hierarchy. Bilal states that we have to choose between postsemiotic narrative and textual feminism. But the within/without distinction depicted in his previous opus emerges again in this work. If conceptual socialism holds, we have to choose between presemantic desublimation and cultural libertarianism. Therefore, in the 3rd I, Bilal examines conceptual socialism; although, he reiterates the Debordist situation. And being someone who fully appreciates this kind of art I asked the poem generator at: http://www.poemofquotes.com/tools/poetry-generator.php to compose the following (with grammatical editing) My love for Bilal is so great, my heart melts for him 'til the dusk of day. The night captures when he's away, experiences, fails 'til day's dawn. His beauty is great, Wondering mind 'til he sees, accessing time is all I do, While waiting for the moment,for him to say I do. I hope the work eventually goes on tour so that we can see it here in the midwest. Bill Scott --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6618 or send a blank email to leave-6618-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re:[tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
On 18 November 2010 Mike Palij wrote: Even in NYC I think people forget how often they are under surveillance. A situation like initially seems shocking until one realizes, oh yeah, there's someone watching us most of the time. Purely on the accuracy of this statement (with no intention to start a discussion on the over-use of surveillance cameras :-) ), is it true that there's someone watching us most of the time? I know that, if we take the case of surveillance cameras in certain areas of London streets or shopping districts (as elsewhere in Britain), no one is actually looking at what the cameras are filming from moment-to-moment. What the cameras do is to produce a record that is available should there be a street/shopping mall incident or crime. Then that particular part of the record is checked to see what information can be gleaned about the incident. No one is watching what is going on most of the time. This was especially useful in the post-event tracking of the activities of the four perpetrators of the 7 July 2005 suicide bombings in the London Underground that killed 52 people and maimed several more, and played a major role in confirming their identities for the police (and at the inquest for the people killed). But no one was viewing those several cameras at the time. Allen Esterson Former lecturer, Science Department Southwark College, London allenester...@compuserve.com http://www.esterson.org From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Subject:Re: NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology! Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:35:39 -0500 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:28:19 -0800,, John Serafin wrote: Hmmm...I'm not sure why the camera needs to be surgically implanted, so maybe there's more behind this than is indicated in the story. He's not feeding these images into any bigger database, is he? The Toronto Sun article appears to have been based on an article in the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) which can be accessed here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703670004575617083483970398.html?mod=WSJ_hp_us_mostpop_read A commentary piece on Cnet is available here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023077-71.html The camera will stream images to a museum in Qatar as part of an exhibition. Professor Bilal, who will be wearing the camera, declined to comment to WSJ, so it is unclear why it has to be surgically implanted. It is also unclear whether the images will be saved or deleted. Also, I'm not sure about Fred Ritchin's response that Obviously you don¹t want students to be under the burden of constant surveillance. Well, ok, maybe Bilal ought to turn the camera off when he goes to the rest room. The WSJ reports that he agreed to put a cap on the lens while on university property. And not visit dorm rooms or other private areas with the camera on. But if we think about all of the surveillance cameras out there in public places, this just does not seem to me to be a big deal. Even in NYC I think people forget how often they are under surveillance. A situation like initially seems shocking until one realizes, oh yeah, there's someone watching us most of the time. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6592 or send a blank email to leave-6592-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re:[tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:50:44 -0800, Allen Esterson wrote: On 18 November 2010 Mike Palij wrote: Even in NYC I think people forget how often they are under surveillance. A situation like initially seems shocking until one realizes, oh yeah, there's someone watching us most of the time. Purely on the accuracy of this statement (with no intention to start a discussion on the over-use of surveillance cameras :-) ), is it true that there's someone watching us most of the time? Let me explain myself, also without intent to start a discussion on the overuse of surveillance cameras. Allen appears to be making a (subtle?) distinction between: (1) someone actually watching a video feed in real time and (2) mere recording of activity on video which may or may not be viewed. Both of these activities occur though the person being video recorded probably will not know whether the case is (1) or (2). Take NYU for instance. Since 09/11/01, anyone entering an NYU building has to present a valid NYU ID to enter. The NYU Psychology building has had similar procedures in place before 09/11 especially in the off-hours when classes were not in session but people were working in their offices and/or labs. This was due to threats from animal rights protesters who objected to the research being done there (some of which involved surgery which might be done at night). In the Psych building there is a security booth in the lobby with a campus security person and video monitors. Over the years the monitors have ranged from several units providing a single feed of real-time video at critical points in the building to today where a large screen monitor supports something like 16-24 video feeds. I haven't asked but I assume that the security person has access to many other feeds if the need arises. Since a number of these scenes involved entry points from the street or activity on certain floors, the security person has to pay some attention to the monitors to determine whether anything significant is happening (e.g., is the person trying to enter by a side door just confused about the entrance to the building or are they trying to crack into the building). In addition, overnight, a security person walks the floors and has to scan/check in at specific points on each floor (I got to know a few security people this way while burning the late night oil). Today, depending upon the building and what goes on there, there is often a security booth and many have monitors for video feeds for locations in the building. When I walk by the main security office on campus (which is in a storefront), one can see a wall full of screens with video feeds from a variety of sources in university buildings, public spaces, and nearby areas. There are people watching these screens though I am sure that there is an ebb and flow of attention, in part because the probability of some bad event occurring is very low at certain times and the risks increase at other times. Is there some video recording that is not watched continuously or only examined in quick scan mode? Undoubtedly. Video of doorways that are supposed to locked and have no traffic don't need much attention (that is, until there is an unauthorized opening). Security knows where crimes and other problems are likely to occur on campus and maybe they know when they should be paying attention to their monitors. In places like the lobby of Bobst library, the security desk has monitors and the security people also scan the floors of the atrium (students sometimes like to drop things on the security desk even though Plexiglas panels have been put up to eliminates student dropping things or themselves). In addition, local buildings and businesses often have their own cameras (often conspicuously located on the outside of the building). I wouldn't be surprised if the video from these cameras are not frequently watched, as in the cases that Allen describes. But, what is the point of stretching out this point? That some video sources may be monitored more frequently then others? As someone who just sees the camera(s), how would one know who is watching now, later, or never? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6597 or send a blank email to leave-6597-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re:[tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:34:15 -0800, William Scott wrote: Which begs the question, Who will be watching the video feed from our professor's occiput in Qatar, ... and why? Well, the exhibition of images will be at Mathaf: Arab Museum of Modern Art in Qatar, so I assume it will be Qatari locals and tourists. Why? Consider the following description from the Gulf Times: |For one year, Bilal’s camera will take still pictures at one-minute |intervals, with the images being streamed to a computer database |and then appearing in different sequences, some in real time, on |monitors at Mathaf in an exhibition space between December and |May, according to the New York Times. | |The artwork, titled The 3rd I, is intended as “a comment on the |inaccessibility of time, and the inability to capture memory and |experience, the WSJ explains, quoting press materials from the |museum, which is to feature Bilal’s work among its inaugural exhibits. So, the simple answer to your question why? might be that people who find this kind of modern art interesting will go and see/experience this kind of thing. Otherwise I have no idea why anyone would watch/experience/attend this exhibition. True Story #1: On the ground floor of the building that houses the Tisch School of the Arts (TSOA), on Waverley Place and a few feet west of Broadway, there is a window with a big screen LCD TV that is playing a image of people walking past it in real time. The fact that few people actually stop to watch the images, I think, says a lot about what people think about this kind of art. The first time I saw it, I was reminded of electronics stores selling videocameras when they first came out and had a window display with a video camera feeding street images to a connected TV. At least in this case one understood the point was to sell video cameras. True Stroy #2: Modern Art especially performance art like that Bilal engages in may require one to think about what is being exhibited but I get the feeling that it confuses more than clarifies. A couple of friends of mine took me to a performance piece a few years ago where I could not figure out what was going on. There was an overweight guy in what looked like old-fashioned longjohns performing movements on a stage with music. It reminded me of a scene in the movie The Big Lebowski where the Dude and friends are discussing their plans in a theatre while on stage an overweight guy performed movements to music. At the end of the piece, my friends asked me what I thought of the piece and I said It took a lot of guts for that guy to do that in public. They didn't ask me along on any other artistic excursions after that. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6602 or send a blank email to leave-6602-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
I can tell you from personal experience that NYU has some eccentric people on the faculty but this really beats them all: http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/11/18/16202696.html For those who choose not to link-through (it is, after all, to the Toronto Sun newspaper website), here is a summary: A professor of photography at NYU's Tisch's School of the Arts (where all the creative-artistic-corporate folks are) is having a camera installed into the back of his head which will wireless tranmit images. There is some discussion about how students will feel when the professor is writing on the whiteboard. I kid you not. -Mike Palij New York University (yeah, *that* NYU) m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6583 or send a blank email to leave-6583-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
Hmmm...I'm not sure why the camera needs to be surgically implanted, so maybe there's more behind this than is indicated in the story. He's not feeding these images into any bigger database, is he? Also, I'm not sure about Fred Ritchin's response that Obviously you don¹t want students to be under the burden of constant surveillance. Well, ok, maybe Bilal ought to turn the camera off when he goes to the rest room. And not visit dorm rooms or other private areas with the camera on. But if we think about all of the surveillance cameras out there in public places, this just does not seem to me to be a big deal. John -- John Serafin Psychology Department Saint Vincent College Latrobe, PA 15650 john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Reply-To: TIPS posts tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:45:56 -0500 To: TIPS posts tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu Cc: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Subject: [tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology! I can tell you from personal experience that NYU has some eccentric people on the faculty but this really beats them all: http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/11/18/16202696.html For those who choose not to link-through (it is, after all, to the Toronto Sun newspaper website), here is a summary: A professor of photography at NYU's Tisch's School of the Arts (where all the creative-artistic-corporate folks are) is having a camera installed into the back of his head which will wireless tranmit images. There is some discussion about how students will feel when the professor is writing on the whiteboard. I kid you not. -Mike Palij New York University (yeah, *that* NYU) m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6585 or send a blank email to leave-6585-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology!
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:28:19 -0800,, John Serafin wrote: Hmmm...I'm not sure why the camera needs to be surgically implanted, so maybe there's more behind this than is indicated in the story. He's not feeding these images into any bigger database, is he? The Toronto Sun article appears to have been based on an article in the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) which can be accessed here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748703670004575617083483970398.html?mod=WSJ_hp_us_mostpop_read A commentary piece on Cnet is available here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20023077-71.html The camera will stream images to a museum in Qatar as part of an exhibition. Professor Bilal, who will be wearing the camera, declined to comment to WSJ, so it is unclear why it has to be surgically implanted. It is also unclear whether the images will be saved or deleted. Also, I'm not sure about Fred Ritchin's response that Obviously you don¹t want students to be under the burden of constant surveillance. Well, ok, maybe Bilal ought to turn the camera off when he goes to the rest room. The WSJ reports that he agreed to put a cap on the lens while on university property. And not visit dorm rooms or other private areas with the camera on. But if we think about all of the surveillance cameras out there in public places, this just does not seem to me to be a big deal. Even in NYC I think people forget how often they are under surveillance. A situation like initially seems shocking until one realizes, oh yeah, there's someone watching us most of the time. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu John Serafin Psychology Department Saint Vincent College Latrobe, PA 15650 === From: Mike Palij m...@nyu.edu Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:45:56 -0500 Subject: [tips] NYU Faculty First In Backward Looking Technology! I can tell you from personal experience that NYU has some eccentric people on the faculty but this really beats them all: http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/11/18/16202696.html For those who choose not to link-through (it is, after all, to the Toronto Sun newspaper website), here is a summary: A professor of photography at NYU's Tisch's School of the Arts (where all the creative-artistic-corporate folks are) is having a camera installed into the back of his head which will wireless tranmit images. There is some discussion about how students will feel when the professor is writing on the whiteboard. I kid you not. --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=6586 or send a blank email to leave-6586-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
