Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc
Kevin Offet wrote:
Hi,
to help cut through the apparent confusion, all you need to do is:
1) change ownership (recursively) of your tomcat install dir to ( if
your user account that will run tomcat is called for example tomrunner
) tomrunner.tomrunner.
2) change to that user and decompress and build jsvc (in the
${tomcat.installdir}/bin dir) according to the straightforward
instructions included.
3) change ownership of the resulting jsvc binary to root.root (root
initially runs jsvc which then changes the user to your tomrunner)
4) build yourself a decent startup/shutdown script appropriate to your
distro and your preferences.
Read The Fine Manual at
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/setup.html
for all that you'll need to know. jsvc -help will also spit out it's
allowed parameters that you can play with.
5) go have fun building web-apps. ;-)
Kevin
Thanks so much, Kevin for clarification. Before, it had not been evident
to me that making jsvc required to do it as the user to which jsvc will
change. Also, I had all files in $CATALINA_HOME owned by root:root.
Now, as I changed $CATALINA_HOME/conf to ownership tomcat:tomcat and
after making $CATALINA_HOME/work readable/writable by that user,
everything works fine.
Thanks for your help again
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Running Tomcat from jsvc
Hi Folks, I'm having problems starting Tomcat 5.0.28 using jsvc. My system is SuSE Linux 9.1 with j2sdk1.4.2_05. When I start Tomcat using $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh everything works fine. But now I want to run Tomcat as a daemon under a non-root user. I followed the instructions on[1] for Unix daemon and built jsvc that I succeeded to start using the Tomcat5.sh script[2]. But actually, Tomcat didn't really start. So I added the options -verbose and -debug to the script[2] and saved the catalina.out log[3]. According to the log (line 1367), the daemon startet successfully, but when my browsers request http://localhost:8080/ , then there is no connection. The log (line 626)[3] is telling me that server.xml couldn't be loaded, but it didn't tell why. Could please somebody give me a hint what might be wrong and what I have to change to get it running? [1]http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/setup.html#Unix%20daemon [2]http://home.arcor.de/plsdontreply/tomcat/Tomcat5.sh.txt [3]http://home.arcor.de/plsdontreply/tomcat/catalina.out.txt -- Thanks in advance [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Running Tomcat from jsvc
Hi, You have to start the jsvc as root, then it changes the effective user ID to non-root. Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com -Original Message- From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Running Tomcat from jsvc Hi Folks, I'm having problems starting Tomcat 5.0.28 using jsvc. My system is SuSE Linux 9.1 with j2sdk1.4.2_05. When I start Tomcat using $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh everything works fine. But now I want to run Tomcat as a daemon under a non-root user. I followed the instructions on[1] for Unix daemon and built jsvc that I succeeded to start using the Tomcat5.sh script[2]. But actually, Tomcat didn't really start. So I added the options -verbose and -debug to the script[2] and saved the catalina.out log[3]. According to the log (line 1367), the daemon startet successfully, but when my browsers request http://localhost:8080/ , then there is no connection. The log (line 626)[3] is telling me that server.xml couldn't be loaded, but it didn't tell why. Could please somebody give me a hint what might be wrong and what I have to change to get it running? [1]http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0- doc/setup.html#Unix%20daemon [2]http://home.arcor.de/plsdontreply/tomcat/Tomcat5.sh.txt [3]http://home.arcor.de/plsdontreply/tomcat/catalina.out.txt -- Thanks in advance [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc
Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, You have to start the jsvc as root, then it changes the effective user ID to non-root. Hi, That's exactly what I did, and according to the log (line 1, line 685), the user has been changed. Did I misunderstand something? Of course, before that, I had tried to start that script as non-root and ran into a lot more of errors. But that's a different story. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I start Tomcat using $CATALINA_HOME/bin/startup.sh everything works fine. But now I want to run Tomcat as a daemon under a non-root user. [...] The log (line 626)[3] is telling me that server.xml couldn't be loaded, but it didn't tell why. Hi Volkmar, did you check the file system permissions of your $CATALINA_HOME directory? As I can see from my installations, server.xml has read and write permissions exclusively for its owner. My conclusion is that the directory must belong to the user, will run the service (wwwrun says your Tomcat5.sh). Kind regards, Wolfgang - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc
Wolfgang Hackl wrote: Hi Volkmar, did you check the file system permissions of your $CATALINA_HOME directory? As I can see from my installations, server.xml has read and write permissions exclusively for its owner. My conclusion is that the directory must belong to the user, will run the service (wwwrun says your Tomcat5.sh). Hi Wolfgang, I got everything in /opt/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28 owned by root:root. So you mean, I should change all files in the conf subdirectory to be owned by wwwrun? Or is it better/safer to just make those files world readable/writeable and leaving them owned by root:root? When, during installation of Tomcat should I have changed the ownership or permissions of which files? I've installed Tomcat using cd /opt sudo tar xzf /tmp/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28.tar.gz so that I got everything owned by root:root. -- Volkmar W. Pogatzki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Running Tomcat from jsvc
Hi,
to help cut through the apparent confusion, all you need to do is:
1) change ownership (recursively) of your tomcat install dir to ( if
your user account that will run tomcat is called for example tomrunner
) tomrunner.tomrunner.
2) change to that user and decompress and build jsvc (in the
${tomcat.installdir}/bin dir) according to the straightforward
instructions included.
3) change ownership of the resulting jsvc binary to root.root (root
initially runs jsvc which then changes the user to your tomrunner)
4) build yourself a decent startup/shutdown script appropriate to your
distro and your preferences.
Read The Fine Manual at
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/setup.html
for all that you'll need to know. jsvc -help will also spit out it's
allowed parameters that you can play with.
5) go have fun building web-apps. ;-)
Kevin
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Wolfgang Hackl wrote:
Hi Volkmar,
did you check the file system permissions of your $CATALINA_HOME
directory? As I can see from my installations, server.xml has read and
write permissions exclusively for its owner. My conclusion is that the
directory must belong to the user, will run the service (wwwrun says
your Tomcat5.sh).
Hi Wolfgang,
I got everything in /opt/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28 owned by root:root.
So you mean, I should change all files in the conf subdirectory to be
owned by wwwrun? Or is it better/safer to just make those files world
readable/writeable and leaving them owned by root:root?
When, during installation of Tomcat should I have changed the ownership
or permissions of which files? I've installed Tomcat using
cd /opt
sudo tar xzf /tmp/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.28.tar.gz
so that I got everything owned by root:root.
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Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat
I have still not succeeded in getting jsvc daemon to run under Linux as user tomcat. All files under CATALINA_HOME are owned by the user tomcat. All files have been tried with 750 and 777 permissions. This does not solve the problem. I have noticed that jsvc looks up a JRE JVM rather than the development JVM when it initializes. The only thing I seem to be able to control (through jvm.cfg and JVM name) is whether it loads the server version or the client version. But it's still looking up a JRE -- even though tools.jar (a part of the JDK) is the first file listed in the classpath. All processes show that they are owned by user tomcat. The error I am seeing is FileNotFoundException. Last line of tomcat code to be called is: org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.generateJava(Compiler.java:223) The problem must have nothing to do with permissions for file ownership. Nothing to do with file permissions or ownership. The problem persists no matter what the file permissions are or who owns them. There is no solution to this from merely changing the permissions (or ownership) of tomcat files. And yet, everything works fine when I use startup.sh, even when I run as user tomcat. In fact, everything works fine under jsvc so long as all of the class files for the JSPs have been pre-built before starting tomcat. I should note that I am using 5.0.19 under SuSE United Linux 1.0. I have followed all of the instructions shown here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-userm=108373546715111w=2 And carefully repeated the process several times. ..Bob. ..Bob. = --Bob White-- home:727-490-7363, cell:727-463-6061 New (popup free!) photos of Polina: http://polina.70kg.com/ Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. - Carl Jung - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat
: | Install service: No jsvc.exec debug: | Remove service: No jsvc.exec debug: | JVM Name:server jsvc.exec debug: | Java Home: /usr/lib/java jsvc.exec debug: | PID File:/usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.pid jsvc.exec debug: | User Name: tomcat jsvc.exec debug: | Extra Options: 8 jsvc.exec debug: | -verbose jsvc.exec debug: | -Dcatalina.home=/usr/local/tomcat5 jsvc.exec debug: | -Djava.io.tmpdir=/usr/local/tomcat5/temp jsvc.exec debug: | -Djava.endorsed.dirs=/usr/local/tomcat5/common/endorsed jsvc.exec debug: | -Dcatalina.base=/usr/local/tomcat5 jsvc.exec debug: | -Djava.class.path=/usr/lib/java/lib/tools.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-daemon.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-logging-api.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/bootstrap.jar jsvc.exec debug: | -Xms256m jsvc.exec debug: | -Xmx384m jsvc.exec debug: | Class Invoked: org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap jsvc.exec debug: | Class Arguments: 0 jsvc.exec debug: +--- jsvc.exec debug: user changed to 'tomcat' jsvc.exec debug: User 'tomcat' validated jsvc.exec debug: Attempting to locate Java Home in /usr/lib/java jsvc.exec debug: Attempting to locate VM configuration file /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg jsvc.exec debug: Found VM configuration file at /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg jsvc.exec debug: Found VM client definition in configuration jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Found VM server definition in configuration jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Found VM hotspot definition in configuration jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM hotspot (skipping) jsvc.exec debug: Found VM classic definition in configuration jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM classic (skipping) jsvc.exec debug: Found VM native definition in configuration jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM native (skipping) jsvc.exec debug: Found VM green definition in configuration jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/green/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/green/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: Cannot locate library for VM green (skipping) jsvc.exec debug: Java Home located in /usr/lib/java jsvc.exec debug: +-- DUMPING JAVA HOME STRUCTURE jsvc.exec debug: | Java Home: /usr/lib/java jsvc.exec debug: | Java VM Config.: /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg jsvc.exec debug: | Found JVMs: 2 jsvc.exec debug: | JVM Name:client jsvc.exec debug: | /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: | JVM Name:server jsvc.exec debug: | /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so jsvc.exec debug: +--- jsvc.exec debug: Running w/ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server:/usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386 jsvc.exec debug: redirecting stdout to /usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.out and stderr to /usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.err --- Parsons Technical Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, It sounds like a permissions problem. Check the settings in the context for workdir=... If you have set this, then you must ensure that your tomcat user has rights to that directory also. Read through the following to see if you missed anything in your setup: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-userm=108373546715111w=2 If all else fails, run TC as root, search for the temp directory and check the permissions on the parent directory. Set it and the temp directory to tomcat owner. Doug www.parsonstechnical.com - Original Message - From: Bob White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:08 AM Subject: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat I am running Tomcat (under Linux) from jsvc daemon as user tomcat. When I do this, Tomcat fails to run JSPs because Tomcat cannot create java files in the work directories and subsequently cannot compile them (cuz they're not there). When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user root I have no problems. When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user tomcat, I can compile at least some of the java files, but there's another problem with one particular app which uses css stylesheets and the stylesheets don't get made properly. I'll worry about that later. Of course, the quick solution is to simply
Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat
Bob, Check one more thing. What are the permission set for on the directories? Also did you find the work directory? And if so who was the owner and what were the permissions set to? Even if you own the directory, if you have set the permissions to not allow writes you will get errors or access denied. Just thinking of all possibilities. I think I did a chmod -R 750 tomcat5 on my main tomcat directory. Doug - Original Message - From: Bob White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:45 AM Subject: Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat I have set everything in the entire $CATALINA_HOME directory tree to be owned by user tomcat, group tomcat. I even tried setting them to user.root and put tomcat in the root group. Still, Tomcat cannot write to the work dir. When I try to run jsvc as user root, I get a java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException. But when I run as root using startup.sh, everything's fine. And once I've compiled the jsps in the work directory and the class files exist, then I can run them under the daemon. So there's definitely something fishy with the jsvc daemon that is preventing me from compiling. I carefully set up the init.d tomcat script so that it mimics startup.sh as much as possible. Still no dice. I've turned on debugging and I see that when the daemon kicks off, it lists its parsed command line arguments (I've posted the output below). There are options such as run as service, install service, etc. Should I be trying to run as service? ..Bob. catalina_home is /usr/local/tomcat5 setting classpath classpath is @/usr/lib/java/lib/tools.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-daemon.jar:/usr/ local/tomcat5/bin/commons-logging-api.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/bootstrap.j ar@ jsvc debug: +-- DUMPING PARSED COMMAND LINE ARGUMENTS -- jsvc debug: | Detach: True jsvc debug: | Show Version:No jsvc debug: | Show Help: No jsvc debug: | Check Only: Disabled jsvc debug: | Run as service: No jsvc debug: | Install service: No jsvc debug: | Remove service: No jsvc debug: | JVM Name:server jsvc debug: | Java Home: /usr/lib/java jsvc debug: | PID File:/usr/local/tomcat5/logs/catalina.pid jsvc debug: | User Name: tomcat jsvc debug: | Extra Options: 8 jsvc debug: | -verbose jsvc debug: | -Dcatalina.home=/usr/local/tomcat5 jsvc debug: | -Djava.io.tmpdir=/usr/local/tomcat5/temp jsvc debug: | -Djava.endorsed.dirs=/usr/local/tomcat5/common/endorsed jsvc debug: | -Dcatalina.base=/usr/local/tomcat5 jsvc debug: | -Djava.class.path=/usr/lib/java/lib/tools.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/common s-daemon.jar:/usr/local/tomcat5/bin/commons-logging-api.jar:/usr/local/tomca t5/bin/bootstrap.jar jsvc debug: | -Xms256m jsvc debug: | -Xmx384m jsvc debug: | Class Invoked: org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap jsvc debug: | Class Arguments: 0 jsvc debug: +--- jsvc debug: user changed to 'tomcat' jsvc debug: User 'tomcat' validated jsvc debug: Attempting to locate Java Home in /usr/lib/java jsvc debug: Attempting to locate VM configuration file /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg jsvc debug: Found VM configuration file at /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg jsvc debug: Found VM client definition in configuration jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Found VM server definition in configuration jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/server/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Found VM hotspot definition in configuration jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/hotspot/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM hotspot (skipping) jsvc debug: Found VM classic definition in configuration jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/classic/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM classic (skipping) jsvc debug: Found VM native definition in configuration jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/native/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM native (skipping) jsvc debug: Found VM green definition in configuration jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/i386/green/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Checking library /usr/lib/java/lib/i386/green/libjvm.so jsvc debug: Cannot locate library for VM green (skipping) jsvc debug: Java Home located in /usr/lib/java jsvc debug: +-- DUMPING JAVA HOME STRUCTURE jsvc debug: | Java Home: /usr/lib/java jsvc debug: | Java VM Config.: /usr/lib/java/jre/lib/jvm.cfg jsvc debug: | Found JVMs: 2 jsvc debug: | JVM Name:client jsvc debug: | /usr
running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat
I am running Tomcat (under Linux) from jsvc daemon as user tomcat. When I do this, Tomcat fails to run JSPs because Tomcat cannot create java files in the work directories and subsequently cannot compile them (cuz they're not there). When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user root I have no problems. When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user tomcat, I can compile at least some of the java files, but there's another problem with one particular app which uses css stylesheets and the stylesheets don't get made properly. I'll worry about that later. Of course, the quick solution is to simply invoke startup.sh as root from my /etc/init.d/tomcat script. But according to instructions on the Apache site, I'm supposed to be able to run Tomcat as daemon using jsvc. But something's amiss. I installed Tomcat as user tomcat and user tomcat owns the entire directory tree (ie. /usr/local/tomcat5/...). I put user tomcat into group tomcat and group root and tried putting the entire directory tree into both the tomcat group and the root group. No difference. Any ideas? BTW, the exact error message I am getting is: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/local/tomcat5/work/Catalina/localhost/AHEMSS/org/apache/jsp/ahess/ess0_jsp.java at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179) at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:70) at org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.generateJava(Compiler.java:223) ... etc ..Bob. = --Bob White-- home:727-490-7363, cell:727-463-6061 New (popup free!) photos of Polina: http://polina.70kg.com/ Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. - Carl Jung - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat
Bob, It sounds like a permissions problem. Check the settings in the context for workdir=... If you have set this, then you must ensure that your tomcat user has rights to that directory also. Read through the following to see if you missed anything in your setup: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=tomcat-userm=108373546715111w=2 If all else fails, run TC as root, search for the temp directory and check the permissions on the parent directory. Set it and the temp directory to tomcat owner. Doug www.parsonstechnical.com - Original Message - From: Bob White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 2:08 AM Subject: running Tomcat from jsvc daemon under Linux as user tomcat I am running Tomcat (under Linux) from jsvc daemon as user tomcat. When I do this, Tomcat fails to run JSPs because Tomcat cannot create java files in the work directories and subsequently cannot compile them (cuz they're not there). When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user root I have no problems. When I run Tomcat using startup.sh as user tomcat, I can compile at least some of the java files, but there's another problem with one particular app which uses css stylesheets and the stylesheets don't get made properly. I'll worry about that later. Of course, the quick solution is to simply invoke startup.sh as root from my /etc/init.d/tomcat script. But according to instructions on the Apache site, I'm supposed to be able to run Tomcat as daemon using jsvc. But something's amiss. I installed Tomcat as user tomcat and user tomcat owns the entire directory tree (ie. /usr/local/tomcat5/...). I put user tomcat into group tomcat and group root and tried putting the entire directory tree into both the tomcat group and the root group. No difference. Any ideas? BTW, the exact error message I am getting is: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/local/tomcat5/work/Catalina/localhost/AHEMSS/org/apache/jsp/ahess/ess0_ jsp.java at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:179) at java.io.FileOutputStream.(FileOutputStream.java:70) at org.apache.jasper.compiler.Compiler.generateJava(Compiler.java:223) ... etc ..Bob. = --Bob White-- home:727-490-7363, cell:727-463-6061 New (popup free!) photos of Polina: http://polina.70kg.com/ Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves. - Carl Jung - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
