Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-05 Thread Pete Stokes
Problem with IPSEC / ssh tunnels between two machines is that if someone 
compromises one machine, then you've made their life 500% easier getting 
to the next one. Good stuff to connect your home LAN to office LAN, but 
I wouldn't..

I had trouble with the same thing, and the easy solution I found was to 
ReverseProxy apache to Tomcat and in the proxy directive to simply say 
pass it on to https://, and configure Tomcat with it's keystore and hey 
presto. Deviation from connector scene I know, but it works perfectly.

Pete.

Michael Jürgens wrote:

Ruth, Brice wrote:
That's the best idea I can think of, too. With SSH tunnels using 
public key authentication, you can set it up so that the tunnel is 
setup from a system script, without user intervention.

But what if the tunnel breaks? How can I determine that automaticly?
regards,
Michael
David Smith wrote:
I'm not sure this can be done.  Admittedly I didn't look all that 
hard -- maybe someone who did development work on the connectors can 
anwer.

I can suggest what I did which is setup a tunnel (SSH tunnel in my 
case) between the two machines.  Then they (the servers) can talk 
all they want and it covers all services routed through the tunnel 
-- not just apache and tomcat.  Ipsec would work just as well I 
suspect.

Probably not what you wanted, but it's a suggestion still
--David
Michael Jürgens wrote:

Ruth, Brice wrote:
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium 
(Internet)

An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with 
jk or jk2.

regards,
Michael

Michael,
I believe you'll want to configure your Apache VirtualHost to 
serve your SSL requests, then use the mod_jk (or jk2) module to 
communicate with Tomcat. Is there any reason that your 
web-application (on Tomcat) needs to be aware of the SSL security? 
You can find documentation on securing Apache via SSL on the main 
Apache site (httpd.apache.org). And communicating betw. Apache and 
Tomcat via JK has abundant documentation as well.

Good luck!
No I want to connect an apache webserver over internet to a tomcat
server. So far I have no problem.
My problem is, how to secure the connection between apache and tomcat.
regards,
Michael

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RE: ajp over ssl

2004-08-05 Thread Ralph Einfeldt

some other approaches:

- cryptcat
  http://farm9.org/Cryptcat/GetCryptcat.php
- openvpn
  http://openvpn.sourceforge.net/
- tinc
  http://www.tinc-vpn.org/
- CIPE
  http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html

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 Subject: ajp over ssl
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I want to connect an Apache Webserver over an unsecure 
 channel to tomcat.
 What is the preferred method?
 
 AJP over a permanent ssh tunnel?
 I think an AJP connection over SSH would be better.
 
 but I don´t know how to do that.
 
 a IPSec Conection is not possible, because of some firewall problems.
 
 regards,
 
 Michael
 
 
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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-05 Thread Antonio Fiol Bonnín
Ralph Einfeldt wrote:
some other approaches:
- cryptcat
 http://farm9.org/Cryptcat/GetCryptcat.php
- openvpn
 http://openvpn.sourceforge.net/
- tinc
 http://www.tinc-vpn.org/
- CIPE
 http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/cipe.html
 


What about stunnel?
Forwarding an insecure port securely from one machine to another.
http://www.stunnel.org/examples/generic_tunnel.html
Not sure if it will get through the list, so I CC'ed the original poster.
Antonio Fiol


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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-04 Thread Ruth, Brice
That's the best idea I can think of, too. With SSH tunnels using public 
key authentication, you can set it up so that the tunnel is setup from a 
system script, without user intervention.

David Smith wrote:
I'm not sure this can be done.  Admittedly I didn't look all that hard 
-- maybe someone who did development work on the connectors can anwer.

I can suggest what I did which is setup a tunnel (SSH tunnel in my 
case) between the two machines.  Then they (the servers) can talk all 
they want and it covers all services routed through the tunnel -- not 
just apache and tomcat.  Ipsec would work just as well I suspect.

Probably not what you wanted, but it's a suggestion still
--David
Michael Jürgens wrote:

Ruth, Brice wrote:
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium 
(Internet)

An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with 
jk or jk2.

regards,
Michael

Michael,
I believe you'll want to configure your Apache VirtualHost to serve 
your SSL requests, then use the mod_jk (or jk2) module to 
communicate with Tomcat. Is there any reason that your 
web-application (on Tomcat) needs to be aware of the SSL security? 
You can find documentation on securing Apache via SSL on the main 
Apache site (httpd.apache.org). And communicating betw. Apache and 
Tomcat via JK has abundant documentation as well.

Good luck!
No I want to connect an apache webserver over internet to a tomcat
server. So far I have no problem.
My problem is, how to secure the connection between apache and tomcat.
regards,
Michael

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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-04 Thread Greg Ward
On 03 August 2004, Michael J?rgens said:
 No I want to connect an apache webserver over internet to a tomcat
 server. So far I have no problem.
 My problem is, how to secure the connection between apache and tomcat.

One idea: you could use mod_proxy as the Apache/Tomcat connection rather
than mod_jk, and then configure Tomcat to do SSL.  Then Apache and
Tomcat are just talking HTTP over SSL; a bit less efficient than mod_jk,
perhaps, but probably easier to configure.  No idea if mod_proxy can
proxy HTTP connections to HTTPS; you might have to force clients to use
HTTPS to make it happen.  Just a wild idea.

Greg



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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-04 Thread Michael Jürgens

Ruth, Brice wrote:
That's the best idea I can think of, too. With SSH tunnels using 
public key authentication, you can set it up so that the tunnel is 
setup from a system script, without user intervention.
But what if the tunnel breaks? How can I determine that automaticly?
regards,
Michael
David Smith wrote:
I'm not sure this can be done.  Admittedly I didn't look all that 
hard -- maybe someone who did development work on the connectors can 
anwer.

I can suggest what I did which is setup a tunnel (SSH tunnel in my 
case) between the two machines.  Then they (the servers) can talk all 
they want and it covers all services routed through the tunnel -- not 
just apache and tomcat.  Ipsec would work just as well I suspect.

Probably not what you wanted, but it's a suggestion still
--David
Michael Jürgens wrote:

Ruth, Brice wrote:
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium 
(Internet)

An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with 
jk or jk2.

regards,
Michael

Michael,
I believe you'll want to configure your Apache VirtualHost to serve 
your SSL requests, then use the mod_jk (or jk2) module to 
communicate with Tomcat. Is there any reason that your 
web-application (on Tomcat) needs to be aware of the SSL security? 
You can find documentation on securing Apache via SSL on the main 
Apache site (httpd.apache.org). And communicating betw. Apache and 
Tomcat via JK has abundant documentation as well.

Good luck!
No I want to connect an apache webserver over internet to a tomcat
server. So far I have no problem.
My problem is, how to secure the connection between apache and tomcat.
regards,
Michael

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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-04 Thread Dennis Dai
On 8/4/2004 1:37 PM, Michael Jürgens wrote:
Ruth, Brice wrote:
That's the best idea I can think of, too. With SSH tunnels using 
public key authentication, you can set it up so that the tunnel is 
setup from a system script, without user intervention.
But what if the tunnel breaks? How can I determine that automaticly?
You can try out stunnel (http://www.stunnel.org/). It doesn't require an 
established connection like ssh tunnel does.

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ajp over ssl

2004-08-03 Thread Michael Jürgens
Hi,
I want to connect an Apache Webserver over an unsecure channel to tomcat.
What is the preferred method?
AJP over a permanent ssh tunnel?
I think an AJP connection over SSH would be better.
but I don´t know how to do that.
a IPSec Conection is not possible, because of some firewall problems.
regards,
Michael
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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-03 Thread Michael Jürgens
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium (Internet)
An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with jk or jk2.
regards,
Michael
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Hi,
I want to connect an Apache Webserver over an unsecure channel to tomcat.
What is the preferred method?
AJP over a permanent ssh tunnel?
I think an AJP connection over SSH would be better.
but I don´t know how to do that.
a IPSec Conection is not possible, because of some firewall problems.
regards,
Michael
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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-03 Thread Ruth, Brice
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium (Internet)
An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with jk 
or jk2.

regards,
Michael

Michael,
I believe you'll want to configure your Apache VirtualHost to serve your 
SSL requests, then use the mod_jk (or jk2) module to communicate with 
Tomcat. Is there any reason that your web-application (on Tomcat) needs 
to be aware of the SSL security? You can find documentation on securing 
Apache via SSL on the main Apache site (httpd.apache.org). And 
communicating betw. Apache and Tomcat via JK has abundant documentation 
as well.

Good luck!
--
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Fiskars Brands Inc
http://www.fiskarsbrands.com/
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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-03 Thread Michael Jürgens

Ruth, Brice wrote:
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium (Internet)
An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with jk 
or jk2.

regards,
Michael

Michael,
I believe you'll want to configure your Apache VirtualHost to serve 
your SSL requests, then use the mod_jk (or jk2) module to communicate 
with Tomcat. Is there any reason that your web-application (on Tomcat) 
needs to be aware of the SSL security? You can find documentation on 
securing Apache via SSL on the main Apache site (httpd.apache.org). 
And communicating betw. Apache and Tomcat via JK has abundant 
documentation as well.

Good luck!
No I want to connect an apache webserver over internet to a tomcat
server. So far I have no problem.
My problem is, how to secure the connection between apache and tomcat.
regards,
Michael

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Re: ajp over ssl

2004-08-03 Thread David Smith
I'm not sure this can be done.  Admittedly I didn't look all that hard 
-- maybe someone who did development work on the connectors can anwer.

I can suggest what I did which is setup a tunnel (SSH tunnel in my case) 
between the two machines.  Then they (the servers) can talk all they 
want and it covers all services routed through the tunnel -- not just 
apache and tomcat.  Ipsec would work just as well I suspect.

Probably not what you wanted, but it's a suggestion still
--David
Michael Jürgens wrote:

Ruth, Brice wrote:
Michael Jürgens wrote:
Oh sorry I was a little bit tired in the morning.
I want to connect the Apache securesd over an unsecure medium 
(Internet)

An my question ist how to connect AJP 1.3 over SSL (not ssh) with jk 
or jk2.

regards,
Michael

Michael,
I believe you'll want to configure your Apache VirtualHost to serve 
your SSL requests, then use the mod_jk (or jk2) module to communicate 
with Tomcat. Is there any reason that your web-application (on 
Tomcat) needs to be aware of the SSL security? You can find 
documentation on securing Apache via SSL on the main Apache site 
(httpd.apache.org). And communicating betw. Apache and Tomcat via JK 
has abundant documentation as well.

Good luck!
No I want to connect an apache webserver over internet to a tomcat
server. So far I have no problem.
My problem is, how to secure the connection between apache and tomcat.
regards,
Michael

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