Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Skwid 1.0]

You could also try the C.H.I.P.

https://getchip.com/

It's only 9$ and won't consume less than a Raspberry Pi.

Just adding a USB key to increase the system space and you're all done for 
less than a Rpi3 price..


:-)

Skwid.

On Monday, October 17, 2016 11:58:45 PM CEST, diffusae 
 wrote:

The thread opener has ask about the superlative. :-)

IMO a Windows Server with tor is some kind of overkill, but on a Pi 3
you could use Windows 10 core and give it a try. Also BSD variants would
be fine and bit more stable.

The power consumption of the RPi 3 depends on what your are using.
Normally it would be around 5-6 Watts. On a RPi 1 or 2 you could reduce
this to one or three Watts.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/EvRV9.png

Regards

On 17.10.2016 15:49, Tristan wrote:

"Windows" and "Tor relay" don't really go together.


On Oct 17, 2016 8:47 AM, "Petrusko" > wrote:

RPi 2/3 if I'm not wrong are around 3 Watts (fanless)
An old P4... For sure it's not lower than 60 Watts power consumption



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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[teor]

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 08:26, diffusae  wrote:
> 
> AES-NI is an extension to the x86 architecture for CPUs from Intel and
> AMD. The Pi 3 is build with a ARM Cortex-A53 CPU (ARMv8-A). This has
> NEON SIMD extension (Advanced SIMD 128 bit registers) with instruction
> level support for AES (which implement AES rounds) and SHA-1/SHA-256.
> 
> So, I think it should be faster with Tor.

It would depend on whether your OpenSSL/LibreSSL was built with the
appropriate accelerated instruction support.

That said, the rest of Tor's crypto doesn't have NEON acceleration yet.

Tim

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> On 17.10.2016 15:47, Petrusko wrote:
>> I don't remember, RPi v3 has the famous AES-NI that make everything
>> faster for Tor ? :s
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[teor]

> On 18 Oct 2016, at 00:49, Tristan  wrote:
> 
> "Windows" and "Tor relay" don't really go together.

The Windows bufferevents code rotted due to lack of testing, so it's hard to
run a performant Tor relay on Windows.

But we'd welcome patches to get Tor working better on Windows. After all, a
large number of Tor clients, and some hidden services, are on Windows.

Tim

> On Oct 17, 2016 8:47 AM, "Petrusko"  wrote:
> RPi 2/3 if I'm not wrong are around 3 Watts (fanless)
> An old P4... For sure it's not lower than 60 Watts power consumption
> 
> And if he wants to run only a Tor relay, advantage to have Windows OS is
> relative ;)
> Not really agree...
> 
> But agree about cpu speed ;)
> I don't remember, RPi v3 has the famous AES-NI that make everything
> faster for Tor ? :s
> 
> 
> 17/10/2016 14:18, Neel Chauhan :
> > The disadvantage of the PC approach is space and higher power
> > consumption, but the advantage is that you can use *BSD and Windows,
> > and can possibly take advantage of faster speeds.
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[diffusae]

The thread opener has ask about the superlative. :-)

IMO a Windows Server with tor is some kind of overkill, but on a Pi 3
you could use Windows 10 core and give it a try. Also BSD variants would
be fine and bit more stable.

The power consumption of the RPi 3 depends on what your are using.
Normally it would be around 5-6 Watts. On a RPi 1 or 2 you could reduce
this to one or three Watts.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/EvRV9.png

Regards

On 17.10.2016 15:49, Tristan wrote:
> "Windows" and "Tor relay" don't really go together.
> 
> 
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:47 AM, "Petrusko"  > wrote:
> 
> RPi 2/3 if I'm not wrong are around 3 Watts (fanless)
> An old P4... For sure it's not lower than 60 Watts power consumption
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[diffusae]

AES-NI is an extension to the x86 architecture for CPUs from Intel and
AMD. The Pi 3 is build with a ARM Cortex-A53 CPU (ARMv8-A). This has
NEON SIMD extension (Advanced SIMD 128 bit registers) with instruction
level support for AES (which implement AES rounds) and SHA-1/SHA-256.

So, I think it should be faster with Tor.

On 17.10.2016 15:47, Petrusko wrote:
> I don't remember, RPi v3 has the famous AES-NI that make everything
> faster for Tor ? :s
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Andreas Krey]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:18:51 +, Neel Chauhan wrote:
...
> The disadvantage of the PC approach is space and higher power 
> consumption, but the advantage is that you can use *BSD and Windows, 

At least NetBSD is available for raspberries, and bananapi as well.

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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Tristan]

"Windows" and "Tor relay" don't really go together.

On Oct 17, 2016 8:47 AM, "Petrusko"  wrote:

> RPi 2/3 if I'm not wrong are around 3 Watts (fanless)
> An old P4... For sure it's not lower than 60 Watts power consumption
>
> And if he wants to run only a Tor relay, advantage to have Windows OS is
> relative ;)
> Not really agree...
>
> But agree about cpu speed ;)
> I don't remember, RPi v3 has the famous AES-NI that make everything
> faster for Tor ? :s
>
>
> 17/10/2016 14:18, Neel Chauhan :
> > The disadvantage of the PC approach is space and higher power
> > consumption, but the advantage is that you can use *BSD and Windows,
> > and can possibly take advantage of faster speeds.
>
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Petrusko]

RPi 2/3 if I'm not wrong are around 3 Watts (fanless)
An old P4... For sure it's not lower than 60 Watts power consumption

And if he wants to run only a Tor relay, advantage to have Windows OS is
relative ;)
Not really agree...

But agree about cpu speed ;)
I don't remember, RPi v3 has the famous AES-NI that make everything
faster for Tor ? :s


17/10/2016 14:18, Neel Chauhan :
> The disadvantage of the PC approach is space and higher power
> consumption, but the advantage is that you can use *BSD and Windows,
> and can possibly take advantage of faster speeds.

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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Neel Chauhan]

>Yes it does make a real big difference. Get the Pi 3, the 1st Pi is 
an order of magnitude slower.


If you don't want to spend your money on a RPI 3, you can also look at 
a used RPI 2.


If you are willing to have a computer that is a bit larger, you can 
also use a smaller desktop PC, like a Mac Mini, or a SFF Dell or HP.


I have a Raspberry Pi 2, but use a homebuilt Pentium 4 desktop on a 
60/25 cable connection (Optimum Online), and a Dell Optiplex 755 (Core 
2 Duo) on a 50/50 FTTH connection (Verizon FiOS). I don't use the RPI 
because I want my Tor nodes to use FreeBSD instead of Linux, and am not 
sure if RPI has the best FreeBSD support (I'm even a FreeBSD 
contributor, but my laptop which I typed this from unfortunately runs 
Arch).


The disadvantage of the PC approach is space and higher power 
consumption, but the advantage is that you can use *BSD and Windows, 
and can possibly take advantage of faster speeds. But if you are fine 
with Linux, and, the RPI 2/3 is a good choice. There are also other SBC 
computers like the BeagleBone. SBC computers are great if they have 
ADSL/Cable, but if they have fiber to the home (Verizon FiOS, Google 
Fiber, etc.), a used desktop (or a higher end SBC) may be better (in my 
opinion) as they usually have a faster upstream and a desktop may take 
better advantage of the speed.


My atlas entries are below (for the two nodes from my two homes, not my 
exits):


https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/AED76373324653A0522DF30550BA31902B2CFA44
https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/D5B8C38539C509380767D4DE20DE84CF84EE8299



Thanks,
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Roman Mamedov]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 01:01:06 +0200
diffusae  wrote:

> Yes, you are right. That doesn't make a real big difference.

Yes it does make a real big difference. Get the Pi 3, the 1st Pi is an order
of magnitude slower.

> The RPi is good to use as relay with your requirement. You can expect a
> total transfer rate of 11 MBytes (100 Mbits/sec). If you use Raspberry
> Pi 1 Model B+ you cannot use the official Tor repository

And no you can not expect 11 Mbytes/sec on a R Pi 1.

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[Tristan]

I believe the 2 and 3 are the same price as the 1 though. At any rate, you
should probably compile the latest Tor from source if you can't use the
official repository.

On Oct 16, 2016 5:12 PM, "diffusae" <punasip...@t-online.de> wrote:

> The RPi is good to use as relay with your requirement. You can expect a
> total transfer rate of 11 MBytes (100 Mbits/sec). If you use Raspberry
> Pi 1 Model B+ you cannot use the official Tor repository, but the
> Raspbian repos (armel) do it as well. The Pi 1 has a significant lower
> power consumption with only one core and 32-bit OS. As an Onion Router
> it does it job very well. You can buy a used one, too.
>
> Regards,
>
> On 16.10.2016 23:26, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:
> > I do run a exit node on a raspberry today.
> >
> > And a raspberry pi 3 can handle 50Mbit/sec (~5Mb/sec both directions.)
> > without any problems.
> >
> > So I would say go for it. The pi are excellent to use as a Tor node.
> >
> > /Fredrik
> >
> >
> >
> >  On sö, 16 okt 2016 22:37:51 +0200*Farid Joubbi <jou...@kth.se>*
> > wrote 
> >
> > A raspberry will do fine as long as you do not expect huge speeds.
> >
> > The CPU is not capable of pushing data very fast.
> >
> > Expect somewhere around 0,5 Mbyte/s (4 Mbit/s).
> >
> > If you go smaller and cheaper you will not reach even that speed.
> >
> > So it depends on what kind of speeds you are after.
> >
> >
> >
> > A relay does not need a lot of attention. Just make sure that you
> > update the OS and Tor every now and then.
> >
> >
> > There are plenty of guides on how to do it which can be found by
> > googling.
> >
> > This is a good example which has a link to Atlas with some relays
> > running on Rpi:
> >
> > https://github.com/DFRI/dfri-rpi-tor
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> >
> > *From:* tor-relays <tor-relays-boun...@lists.torproject.org
> > <mailto:tor-relays-boun...@lists.torproject.org>> on behalf of
> > Tamara West <sinister.h...@googlemail.com
> > <mailto:sinister.h...@googlemail.com>>
> > *Sent:* 16 October 2016 21:22
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> > *Subject:* [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for
> > tor relay
> >
> > I've got a few family members across the country who have broadband
> > they are not using for more than email and social. I wanted to go
> > about setting up a relay at each house can can be run with minimum
> > amount of power and attention. I was considering something like
> > RaspPi or Compute Stick.
> >
> > Main questions (1) anyone else use these or something similar? (2)
> > recommend of strong alternatives suggested? (3) is there something
> > smaller, lighter and cheaper that will do the job? (*) did I maybe
> > miss something obvious that needs attention?
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[diffusae]

The RPi is good to use as relay with your requirement. You can expect a
total transfer rate of 11 MBytes (100 Mbits/sec). If you use Raspberry
Pi 1 Model B+ you cannot use the official Tor repository, but the
Raspbian repos (armel) do it as well. The Pi 1 has a significant lower
power consumption with only one core and 32-bit OS. As an Onion Router
it does it job very well. You can buy a used one, too.

Regards,

On 16.10.2016 23:26, Fredrik Olofsson wrote:
> I do run a exit node on a raspberry today. 
> 
> And a raspberry pi 3 can handle 50Mbit/sec (~5Mb/sec both directions.)
> without any problems. 
> 
> So I would say go for it. The pi are excellent to use as a Tor node. 
> 
> /Fredrik
> 
> 
> 
>  On sö, 16 okt 2016 22:37:51 +0200*Farid Joubbi <jou...@kth.se>*
> wrote 
> 
> A raspberry will do fine as long as you do not expect huge speeds.
> 
> The CPU is not capable of pushing data very fast.
> 
> Expect somewhere around 0,5 Mbyte/s (4 Mbit/s).
> 
> If you go smaller and cheaper you will not reach even that speed.
> 
> So it depends on what kind of speeds you are after.
> 
> 
> 
> A relay does not need a lot of attention. Just make sure that you
> update the OS and Tor every now and then.
> 
> 
> There are plenty of guides on how to do it which can be found by
> googling.
> 
> This is a good example which has a link to Atlas with some relays
> running on Rpi:
> 
> https://github.com/DFRI/dfri-rpi-tor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* tor-relays <tor-relays-boun...@lists.torproject.org
> <mailto:tor-relays-boun...@lists.torproject.org>> on behalf of
> Tamara West <sinister.h...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:sinister.h...@googlemail.com>>
>     *Sent:* 16 October 2016 21:22
>     *To:* tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
> <mailto:tor-relays@lists.torproject.org>
> *Subject:* [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for
> tor relay
>  
> I've got a few family members across the country who have broadband
> they are not using for more than email and social. I wanted to go
> about setting up a relay at each house can can be run with minimum
> amount of power and attention. I was considering something like
> RaspPi or Compute Stick.
> 
> Main questions (1) anyone else use these or something similar? (2)
> recommend of strong alternatives suggested? (3) is there something
> smaller, lighter and cheaper that will do the job? (*) did I maybe
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Fredrik Olofsson]

I do run a exit node on a raspberry today. 



And a raspberry pi 3 can handle 50Mbit/sec (~5Mb/sec both directions.) without 
any problems. 



So I would say go for it. The pi are excellent to use as a Tor node. 



/Fredrik



 




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A raspberry will do fine as long as you do not expect huge speeds.

The CPU is not capable of pushing data very fast.

Expect somewhere around 0,5 Mbyte/s (4 Mbit/s).

If you go smaller and cheaper you will not reach even that speed.

So it depends on what kind of speeds you are after.





A relay does not need a lot of attention. Just make sure that you update the OS 
and Tor every now and then.



There are plenty of guides on how to do it which can be found by googling.

This is a good example which has a link to Atlas with some relays running on 
Rpi:

https://github.com/DFRI/dfri-rpi-tor







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 To: tor-relays@lists.torproject.org
 Subject: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay 
 


I've got a few family members across the country who have broadband they are 
not using for more than email and social. I wanted to go about setting up a 
relay at each house can can be run with minimum amount of power and attention. 
I was considering something like RaspPi or Compute Stick.

 

 Main questions (1) anyone else use these or something similar? (2) recommend 
of strong alternatives suggested? (3) is there something smaller, lighter and 
cheaper that will do the job? (*) did I maybe miss something obvious that needs 
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Farid Joubbi]

A raspberry will do fine as long as you do not expect huge speeds.

The CPU is not capable of pushing data very fast.

Expect somewhere around 0,5 Mbyte/s (4 Mbit/s).

If you go smaller and cheaper you will not reach even that speed.

So it depends on what kind of speeds you are after.



A relay does not need a lot of attention. Just make sure that you update the OS 
and Tor every now and then.


There are plenty of guides on how to do it which can be found by googling.

This is a good example which has a link to Atlas with some relays running on 
Rpi:

https://github.com/DFRI/dfri-rpi-tor




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Subject: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

I've got a few family members across the country who have broadband they are 
not using for more than email and social. I wanted to go about setting up a 
relay at each house can can be run with minimum amount of power and attention. 
I was considering something like RaspPi or Compute Stick.

Main questions (1) anyone else use these or something similar? (2) recommend of 
strong alternatives suggested? (3) is there something smaller, lighter and 
cheaper that will do the job? (*) did I maybe miss something obvious that needs 
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Re: [tor-relays] Smallest, cheapest, lightest computer for tor relay

[Tristan]

The Raspberry Pi 2 runs Tor just fine, but I have no idea what speeds you
can expect since my upload is only 1Mbps. I was using Raspbian Jessie with
the official Tor repos. Once everything was installed and set up, the
system could literally just sit on a shelf with power and ethernet and be
completely fine.

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> are not using for more than email and social. I wanted to go about setting
> up a relay at each house can can be run with minimum amount of power and
> attention. I was considering something like RaspPi or Compute Stick.
>
> Main questions (1) anyone else use these or something similar? (2)
> recommend of strong alternatives suggested? (3) is there something smaller,
> lighter and cheaper that will do the job? (*) did I maybe miss something
> obvious that needs attention?
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[Tamara West]

I've got a few family members across the country who have broadband they
are not using for more than email and social. I wanted to go about setting
up a relay at each house can can be run with minimum amount of power and
attention. I was considering something like RaspPi or Compute Stick.

Main questions (1) anyone else use these or something similar? (2)
recommend of strong alternatives suggested? (3) is there something smaller,
lighter and cheaper that will do the job? (*) did I maybe miss something
obvious that needs attention?

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