Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > Cat ? would be the best? Only for the seller. ;) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > Would a Cisco Valet Plus be considered a cheap domestic router? Not sure. It is probably better than the norm but it was never really a Cisco - it was one of the first "Linksys by Cisco" brandings AFAIK. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
A better router will not better the sound correct. 2string1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49758 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > A better router will not better the sound correct. No it will just make your network more stable, less prone to issues. If it is working to your satisfaction - leave it as is. A $100 ethernet cable won't make a blind bit of difference either. *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > Would a Cisco Valet Plus be considered a cheap domestic router? I refer you to the reply above > Combined modem/router/wireless are invarialby rubbish. *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
DJanGo wrote: > > In a Home environment you dont want a router|switch|whatever with a fat > cable and a (pair of) fans. That depends whether your home is also your office !! :) 19479 +---+ |Filename: IMG_2436.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=19479| +---+ *Vortexbox LMS 7.8 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > Would a Cisco Valet Plus be considered a cheap domestic router? "cheap" - if you take that word from me - was the wrong word.. in i put it into "brakets" for a reason. Its low price and that didnt mean its bad|cheap if cheap is the name for something you never would buy again even when its small budget cause it wont do the job or didnt run a long time. There is always a reason for things like that. When i described that "cheap" there is a system behind that - in a Prof. IT Environment you do not want external powersupplies you want internal redundant (two) power supplies with less connections as you can get - cause they can be unplugged by accident. And you want devices without heat hotspots cause of your air cooling system runs better with defined heat hotspots. You even dont want to have the fat powerplugs/converter cause the stuff is powered by uninterruptible power supplys. And the just have IEC (power) connectors. You dont want nothing from that in your home. In a Home environment you dont want a router|switch|whatever with a fat cable and a (pair of) fans. Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > A better router will not better the sound correct. No it either works or it does not . If it was the case downloaded files would sound different depending on thier path to you . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
@d6jg: DJanGo wrote: > In a Home environment you\edit r wife /edit dont want a > router|switch|whatever with a fat cable and a (pair of) fans.:p Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
Your Buccaneer looks good to me ! I used a Fluke Networks DTX-1800 which gives you a print out. Does your Buccaneer, or does it just stamp your card ? :) *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
Flat ether cat. 6, in real life: same perfs as a shielded, very sturdy cat6 cable. I have a mac connected to a giga switch connected to another that trunks 2 links into a powerdge server. I have seen no difference whatsoever in performance when doing transfers over NFS when I changed the link between the mac and the switch to a flat cable. The only real difference is that the cable is not bulletproof as we were used to. And it usually comes in various colors, too. 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) Squeezebox Server 7.9 (linux) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me, What Was That Tune? by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld ShairTunes2 by disaster123 Local Player, BBC iPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
Jeff07971 wrote: > I wonder how these perform when tested with a proper network cable > tester, anyone done this, can share results ? Hmm if its untwisted (looks like) than its per defintion not a cat5 cable. If its not a cat5 cable what definition should you set in your proper cable tester? I 've seen such cable that was in the box of one of my 3com pcmcia card an even if it looks like untwisted it was twisted. So its really hard to tell. Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
Hmm I'm also somewhat suspicius to non standard geometry it migth not work as good as a real a cable . But in practice for the data needs at home it migth not matter in practice Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
DJanGo wrote: > Hmm if its untwisted (looks like) than its per defintion not a cat5 > cable. > If its not a cat5 cable what definition should you set in your proper > cable tester? > > I 've seen such cable that was in the box of one of my 3com pcmcia card > an even if it looks like untwisted it was twisted. > So its really hard to tell. I get your point but if it says cat5e then test it as a standard cat5e. I'd be interested in the crosstalk and return loss figures. *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
Let me explain something you have no advantage using 100 octane fuel on your scooter. You should use 100 octane fuel on your highoutput car/Motorcycle (if the compression is that high that you need that stuff) You should always use the things for the reason they have been made designed for. Always use something like Cat5 for your home equipment. Cause most of all is "cheap" stuff made for home small office. In a Server Environment there is a complete other situation - eg. all Hardware is powered by internal powersupplies / Converter and everything is grounded not only cause the Rack is grounded even all power cords uses 3 separate cables to deliver alternating current to the Device. In this scenario you should always use shielded versions of the cable. In a Home Environment - where most of your equipment is powered by external power converters that only delivers direct current to the devices and no earth - you should use unshielded Versions of the Cable. It does not matter if your using higher specs than needed but it does matter not to use lower specs than needed or faulty cables (then they didnt match any specs). Take a carefully look: [image: http://www.gepanet.com/strukturierte-verkabelung.png] All pairs have different twists and these twist are made for a reason - no pulse overlapping between the transmit and recieve lines. Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
d6jg wrote: > Spend as much as you like on Ethernet cables but your network will still > only be as good as the router / switch equipment you have. A cheap > domestic router is just that - cheap. In UK BT provide for example their > wonderful BT Home Hub - its wi-fi is about as rubbish as you can get. I > use (and have used for years) Draytek Vigor routers and access points > both for domestic use and for SMEs that I work with in this area. I tend > to utilise Netgear switches as they seem to be good value for money and > rarely fail. This is correct, If an ISP gives away a modem/router it is CHEAP (read rubbish) ! Combined modem/router/wireless are invarialby rubbish. Use decent quality devices and cables and you will have one less thing to worry about ! *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
I'm sure it's been asked. Maybe even by me. I can't remember. Any advantage to using a higher end ethernet cable to the Touch. Cat ? would be the best? 2string1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49758 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > I'm sure it's been asked. Maybe even by me. I can't remember. Any > advantage in using a higher end ethernet cable to the Touch. Cat ? would > be the best? Standard Cat5E is as far as you need go it supports all the bandwidth of any normal home network. Unlesss... http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/02/10/0257227/10k-ethernet-cable-claims-audio-fidelity-if-youre-stupid-enough-to-buy-it The title says it all ! *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3, Squeezebox Receiver, SqueezePlayer, PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+ x2,PiCorePlayer/RPi2/Hifiberry DAC+Pro,Wandboard SOA *Server:* Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1444881383 on Centos 7 VM *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
This is an insane rip-off, can you believe there are SATA cables like this also?! I make sure to use UTP (unshielded) ethernet cables, to decouple the grounds. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DLIII DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Ethernet Cable
2string1 wrote: > I'm sure it's been asked. Maybe even by me. I can't remember. Any > advantage in using a higher end ethernet cable to the Touch. Cat ? would > be the best? THATS NOT HOW THINGS WORK [/B]. THE ADVANTAGE IS PURELY ON THE SELLER THEY GET YOUR MONEY LOOK AMONG NORMAL DATA CABLES FROM THE LIKES OF BELDEN (VIA FOR EXAMPLE BLUE JEAN CABLE FOR SMALL QUANTITIES ) FOR WHOLE HOUSE WIRING . OR DO SOME RESEARCH ON WHATS AVAILABLE LOCALLY : GET A TESTER IF YOU DIY YOUR CABLES . I ACTUALLY DONT KNOW WHAT I HAVE , I HAVE WHAT WAS IN THE WALLS WHEN I MOVED IN HERE , THE SHORTER PATCHES FROM SWITCHES ARE SOME NO NAME PATCHCABLES BUT THEY ARE CAT6 OR CAT5E . BUT THE MAXIMUM LENGTH IS 100M FOR CAT CABLES , IF YOU GOT LONGER PATHS PUT A SWITCH IN-BETWEEN . I HAVE A SWITCH AT THE ENDPIONTS OF MY NETWORK ONE IN THE OFFICE O,NE IN THE WALK IN CLOSET WHERE MY ROUTER AND STUFF SITS AND ONE SWITCH IN THE HIFI SETUP . TO SPLIT TO THE TOUCH AND THE SMART TV AND OTHER FUTURE NETWORKED STUFF . [B]HOW THINGS DO WORK . Look here http://archimago.blogspot.se/2015/02/measurements-intercontinental-internet.html And here http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2015/02/measurements-ethernet-cables-and-audio.html Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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If you could define higher end . :cool: Chris :) Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I got my answer. Thanks anyways 2string1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49758 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104828 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
