Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Magic Banana said: Just start the install over and, at the partitioning menu, define the partitions. One of them must be mounted at /. Fine. In all this process, no one actually said where the partitioning menu is ... and I found it myself in the usual manner: I guessed ! After doing one other critical (?) step: I deleted the root partition in the USB-attached hard drive (sdb1) using GParted so that it was now just unallocated space. I selected that empty space and then I clicked the bold plus sign (_+_) in the little box just under the list of partitions and at the left of that table, which thereupon produced the missing partition menu. After that, the installation of Trisquel 7 proceeded just fine, except that it was impossible to tell if Trisquel was actually going into the correct hard drive. Even when it asked my name and gave the laptop's name with my username, I wasn't yet sure whether all was copacetic. Only after rebooting _without_ the previously USB-attached hard drive plugged in to the USB port was I sure that it went OK. Thanks to Magic Banana for this statement: The installer will take care of writing the MBR. You do not need to worry about it. Bear in mind that this might have worked this well because I had invoked the GPT option previous to this final push. Tomorrow I'll see if this hard drive, now with Trisquel 7 newly installed, will work OK in the target desktop PC that I've been piecing together from various sources.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
marioxcc said: Nobody told you and the error message is written that way so because it is obvious. Everyone knows means, everyone who's a member of the club knows. Way back in the days of 8+3 filenames, disk space was at a premium and so even text files had to be kept short. Those days are gone forever, and yet the present operating systems are full of shorthand and slang terms that folks new to the game have an awful time learning. My dear mother was born in what was Austria-Hungary, and in spite of living in the USA for more than twenty years before having me, she never learned the American idiom and was forever repeating off-color remarks (like Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice.) It would be a simple matter to place a text file into a popup that could appear when hovering the cursor over that little box in the Trisquel installation menu. I still don't know (and hesitate to guess) what might happen if I were to click on the accompanying minus (_-_) sign ... I've been struggling with the GNU/linux operating system for more than twenty years myself.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I Succeeded to convince a few Is the use of free software
Yes, I mean that one.
Re: [Trisquel-users] i3wm on a Trisquel 7 and dual screen issue + intro
Wait, if Debian isn't less free than Trisquel, then using Trisquel is kind of pointless, besides being more frequently updated (being Ubuntu based). The question is: is it really as free? What would be the point of working so hard on GnewSense then? And, I thought Trisquel actually prevents non-free programs installation (maybe I'm extrapolating on this one).
[Trisquel-users] Re : i3wm on a Trisquel 7 and dual screen issue + intro
Trisquel and gNewSense meet the Free System Distribution Guidelines: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html Debian does not because mainly the project hosts and suggest the use (in its documentation for instance) of the contrib and the non-free repositories. The developers behind Trisquel and gNewSense spend much effort in fixing and repackaging programs that do not meet the Free System Distribution Guidelines (for instance because they recommend the use of proprietary software): https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
After 20 years of use you should be able to tell that “partitioning menu” means the menu which is about partitioning, and that a couple of buttons below a list labeled “+” and “-” mean adding and removing from that list, respectively. If you don't apply common sense and ignore people's advice then it is no puzzle why you have been struggling. Trisquel requires minimal technical knowledge to install and use, but like anything worthy, it does require common sense and interest from you. Jargon (do not confuse with slang) is present in all disciplines, not just informatics; any practicer is expected to get used to it. You can look up a term you don't know in a search engine; there is even one in the installation DVD you used. Modern software abstracts (hide from the user) a huge amount of complexity; if you want to see a tiny bit of it, take a glance at this manual about your and other CPUs or this specification about the web. However, often the more the abstraction, the less control the user has. Some things can't be abstracted because software needs the users's input to “know” what to do according to his needs. The installer offers the option to abstract partitioning or let you control it. Despite our advice (since the second reply) to let it do the partitioning for you, you insisted in doing it yourself, so you can't blame Trisquel for not hiding partitioning. I really hope you reconsider your attitude of blaming others and the software for your mistake and ignoring suggestions; then using a computer will feel less like struggling. Asking for help is good, but be willing to listen to the answers, and please do a web search before asking so that you won't ask things answered thousands of times already. Put in practice these suggestions or equivalent about your attitude and way of handling informatics. Also, check the link to “documentation” that is in the top bar in almost all Trisquel pages. The Debian and Ubuntu documentation and Wiki usually apply to Trisquel too, but they may recommend proprietary software which we don't, because it's unethical and some technical aspects are different.
[Trisquel-users] Re : How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Trisquel 7 Live DVD insists that there is no defined root file system and suggests that I correct this from the partitioning menu. What I've done, of course, is remove the MBR or Master Boot Record. That makes no sense. Forget about the MBR. The problem is, well, that you have not defined a root file system from the partitioning menu. I do not know how the error message could be better! Just start the install over and, at the partitioning menu, define the partitions. One of them must be mounted at /. There can even be one single partition (although I would advise you to put /home in a separate partition) but, then, it must be the root partition (i.e., mounted at /). The installer will take care of writing the MBR. You do not need to worry about it.
[Trisquel-users] Re : How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Partition/ I myself still struggle with partioning and at the moment let installers do the work (auto-partitionning)the above guide is quite comprehensive and well done. the installer will save you time and pain may you later try out manual multi-partitionning. https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs01.html.en Appendix C. Partitioning for Debian
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
I use the command line tools directly, so I can't help you with GParted-specific usage. Isn't there an open-source master boot record available for the GNU/linux operating systems ? This and your other messages reflect a misunderstanding of what “master boot record” is. Your approach is itself a typical case of the problem sometimes called “XY problem” (which is a very bad name, but I don't know of a better one): you have a real problem: that you can't install Trisquel; but you think that the cause is another (supposed) problem: that you haven't created a master boot record (which you do not know what is). Like I told you already, the MBR is just a part of the boot code and the table of primary partitions; also, it is modified (and if it did not exist, created) as as consequence of creating partitions. You don't need to find a “an open-source master boot record available for the GNU/linux operating systems”. Since the table of partitions is specific to your setup (it is possible but extremely unlikely that it will be the same as other system), it makes no sense to try to find an existing MBR, or to put special attention to it. What you should pay attention to, is to partition the disk properly, and the MBR will be correct as a consequence. Apparently you have selected “Try Trisquel without installing” from the installation CD, and then clicked the icon “Install Trisquel 7.0”; is that right?. In the “Installation type” dialog, what have you selected?. What have you done, apart from this?. You mentioned that you did: “1. Start GParted; authenticate (i.e., run with root permissions);”, but that is inconsistent with what you said later: “2. Choose Something Else so that I can do the next two steps;”; that is an option of the Trisquel graphical installer, not of GParted. Don't confuse those 2 programs. Why do you want to partition manually?. As a general rule, if you don't know why you want to change the default options, don't change them. I have not used the graphical installer (I use the text-based installer), but common sense tells me that unless there is a good reason for not doing so, using the option “Erase disk and install Trisquel” is the more sensible approach for you. Here's another attempt, trying to follow marioxcc's suggestion: No, I never suggested or would suggest that and you misunderstood what that procedure does. It has nothing to do with your problem. It seems to me like ALL of the problems you are having are caused because you are doing things that you don't understand at all for no good reasons. If you continue with your current approach you will break your system often and eventually lose important information. It's fine to practice and see what unknown things do with informatics if you do so in an isolated environment (for instance, in a virtual machine), but not with a system you intend to use for something else than practicing. Do not speculate about things that you do not know about (as you clearly have been doing). You will almost surely be wrong, and you will just lose your time. You may and should research what you need and do not know yet, and only then, once you are well informed, use that information when troubleshooting. I really hope this message helps and you will take into account what I wrote. I have spent some time using the graphical installer in a virtual machine to try to figure what you are doing and more so trying to describe the situation properly. Regards.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Fine. In all this process, no one actually said where the partitioning menu is ... and I found it myself in the usual manner: I guessed ! The “partitioning menu” is the menu in the installer from which you modify partitions. Nobody told you and the error message is written that way so because it is obvious. About “guessing”, I guess you didn't read my
Re: [Trisquel-users] GISEC 2015 - BIG computer sec conf. in my area
I'm not sure that FSF would turn up to an event like that just yet, they have limited resources and must use thme to maximum effect. That said you being there and rising the issues to those who are interested in more than a great start.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
But you've completely misinterpreted your problem. Your problem has nothing to do with how your disk is formatted; you just haven't chosen a root (/) partition.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Desktop sharing
In GnewSense Ucclia Alpha.1 XFCE this time: Vino is only accessible via usr/bin So on Gnewsense either it works out of the box in Gnome(Fallback) or via usr/bin in XFCE The GnewSense version is 3-4.2-1+b1 VNC Server for Gnome I'm trying to help someone who is actually running Xubnutu 14.04LTS and the issue over there is the same ie:Vino doesn't appear anywhere nor in usr/bin 3.8.1-Ouboutu1 whereas Trisquel's is 3.8.1-Ouboutu.1+7Otr
[Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Wishing to install Trisquel 7 onto a clean hard disk, I cleaned out everything and created an ext4 partition, but the Trisquel 7 Live DVD insists that there is no defined root file system and suggests that I correct this from the partitioning menu. What I've done, of course, is remove the MBR or Master Boot Record. Now the Internet insists that every operating system has (requires ?) a MBR ... but is that always a Microsoft MBR ? It seems so, as I haven't found a recipe for acquiring/creating a MBR that doesn't involve using a Windows source or backup. Surely there is a GNU/Linux MBR facility for creating a MBR on a clean disk. Is that GRUB ? Are GRUB and MBR two terms for the same thing, or does GRUB depend on the preexistence of a MBR ? Searching the Add/Remove Applications menu in Trisquel for GRUB reveals no matching applications. I'm doing this to a USB-attached hard drive, not to the main hard drive in the computer, as I'm trying to make a Trisquel 7 installation into another computer. What I've tried so far is to attempt the install of Trisquel 7 from the LiveDVD to the USB-attached hard drive, which always ends with the above-quoted no root file system defined complaint ... whether I mount the hard drive or not, and whether there's any file already in it or not. Please point me to a coherent Trisquel (i.e., rational) explanation of the process whereby I can put a recognized master boot record onto that hard drive.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are libblueray/libdvdcss legal?
i use these lib's anyway i was just interested thanks for the replys
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
just a note the link seems to require javascript to play the mpeg-3 file
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are libblueray/libdvdcss legal?
Technically, only DeCSS has been ruled to be illegal in the U.S., and libdvdcss uses a much cruder brute-force method to crack the encryption (because it turns out that CSS encryption is extremely weak), so it's technically not clear whether or not libdvdcss is legal. However, it probably is. In any case, the chances of people being arrested for this are absurdly low, and even the chance of being sued for it is low unless you're distributing copies of what's on the DVD.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Under System Settings-Disks, select the disk you want to format, click the gear at the top-right (More Actions), and choose Format from that list. You can choose to set the disk up either with a master boot record, or with GPT.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are libblueray/libdvdcss legal?
The authors also suggest patents might be an issue in some countries. The nice folks are trying to make the DMCA global https://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/obama-and-congress-go-off-the-rails-trying-to-fast-track-tpp
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
You can also press the following buttons on the keyboard to enable or disable this utility: Super+alt+s
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
:D
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
spying voice? I'm shocked. I'm out of here! Adieau!
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
As far as Disks is concerned, this is what transpires: Error synchronizing after initial wipe: Timed out waiting for object (udisks-error-quark, 0) Searching on the term in parentheses returns mostly errors involving USB-sticks.
Re: [Trisquel-users] i3wm on a Trisquel 7 and dual screen issue + intro
yes. And when you install debian (whatever installation method you followed) you can always enable those 2 non-free repos. But you have to do it by yourself (opt-in). The real issue with Debian is that you need to double-check any addon and software you install (other than those contained in the main repo) but that applies to all distros - you should alway check the licence/licenses.. cheers!
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Another possibility: Startup Disk Creator Fails because it will not let me apply it to the target partition on the USB-connected hard drive; instead, it insists on using a FAT32-formatted partition instead, as though the whole aim is to create a Windows startup disk ?
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
The MBR stores a list of the primary partitions and a very small program that is executed by the BIOS. There are plenty of tools to manipulate it using GNU/Linux including “fdisk”, “cfdisk”, “parted” and “gparted”. However, as already pointed, your problem seems to be that you haven't chosen a partition to mount in “/” when installing. Be careful when manipulating partitions and the MBR. A mistake can easily make your system unbootable if you misconfigure the bootloader (GRUB). You may have to attempt file recovery or find the partition extents if you delete partitions from the MBR; on the other hand, if you shred (set all bytes to 0 or random data) you will lose the data contained therein. That is not to say that you must be scared, only cautious and check what you are going to do before doing so. If you are installing on a hard disk which you intend to use entirely for Trisquel, then just chose the option “use all the disk space” (I don't know the exact wording) and select the right disk instead of manually configuration partitions. Putting everything in a single partition plus swap is likely to require the least maintenance to you. If you want something more flexible, you may use LVM (and you need the netinstall image to use it), but I recommend only if you want to spend time learning that aspect of system administration. It is unlikely that you will lose information due to a bug when installing, but it's always a possibility[1] that add to the chances of plain user mistake and therefore it is a common and good recommendation to perform a backup of your important information before installing an operating system, and also to do so periodically. [1]: until informatics reached the state of development when the relevant software is mathematically proven correct to a specification.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are libblueray/libdvdcss legal?
Yes, and the TPP contains worse things: https://wikileaks.org/tpp-investment/
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
marioxcc suggested: However, as already pointed, your problem seems to be that you haven't chosen a partition to mount in “/” when installing. Here's what I've been doing: 1. Start GParted; authenticate (i.e., run with root permissions); 2. Choose Something Else so that I can do the next two steps; 3. Set the target as /dev/sdb1 (the first ext4 partition in my USB-connected hard drive) 4. Set the device for boot loader installation as /dev/sdb. 5. Install ... followed by the no defined root file system refrain. marioxcc seems to be echoing the recommendation: correct this from the partitioning menu but the real problem seems to be the lack of a master boot record, and I've already found that grub-install isn't happy without support from Windows. Isn't there an open-source master boot record available for the GNU/linux operating systems ?
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
Just a note for folks who are trying to escape *indows: super is the key with the wavy flag between Ctrl and Alt.
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
Hi, thanks for your help ssdclickofdeath. I didn’t turn on the screen reader. It was turned on by default. I am not sure how this happened. Anyway, I turned off the screen reader and the voice stopped. I still can not hear the sound loud when I am paying something even though I have the slider all the way up to the max. the fact that the screen reader voice was very low indicates that my sound is not working properly. I have thinkpad T60. Can anyone suggest the next thing to do. Thanks
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Neither of the above two proposals works for me. The first fails with an error message; and the second avoids the one way in which I can install Trisquel 7 on an external USB-attached hard drive. Something Else is the only way that I can install Trisquel 7 on that external hard drive, near as I can tell.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Hi! Hmm, have you tried using Disks? On 04/05/2015 08:34 PM, ame...@amenex.com wrote: Neither of the above two proposals works for me. The first fails with an error message; and the second avoids the one way in which I can install Trisquel 7 on an external USB-attached hard drive. Something Else is the only way that I can install Trisquel 7 on that external hard drive, near as I can tell.
Re: [Trisquel-users] New Updates: Opensource/Free FPS standalone mod of Xonotic (ChaosEsque) version 42 etc.
For anyone that wants an update between versions, a contributor has uploaded the files you need. Here is a latest code update where the bots now know about grenades etc: they will throw grenades, flashbangs, smokegrenades, place landmines and ATmines, and also bury mines (if they can (if a mine in on ground, grass, snow, sand, dirt, etc it can be buried with the bury command)) Makes the game more fun :D And hard to assault a base. Flashbangs really blind you blanca for awhile. These files go in the directory: XonoticChaosEsqueAnthology/data/ 340MB http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmodchaosesque/files/zz99_xmod-chaos-esque-xonotic-full_source_and_exec_binaries.pk3/download 34MB http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmodchaosesque/files/z9_buildable_buildings.pk3/download (You may also wish to get these small files which are seldom updated aswell:) 94MB http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmodchaosesque/files/zz99-xmod-chaos-esque-xonotic-map_resources.pk3/download 300KB: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmodchaosesque/files/zz99-xmod-chaos-esque-xonotic-nexcompat_updates.pk3/download
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Before pogiako piped up, I tried this approach (unsuccessfully it would appear): http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.config-bootloader.html sudo grub-install /dev/sdb [password] Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible. grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install. I have grub2 installed on the main Trisquel 7 OS on which I am attempting this.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are libblueray/libdvdcss legal?
ohh. you don't expect to be shot? And you live in the USA? hmm. optimistic girl..
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Mebbe force will do the trick: sudo grub-install --force /dev/sdb[sudo] [password] Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible. grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install. Nope. No progress; install of Trisquel fails with same error message as at the start of this thread.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Here's another attempt, trying to follow marioxcc's suggestion: Source of the procedure: http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/grub-reinstall.htm 1. sudo mkdir /x 2. sudo grub-install --root-directory=/x /dev/sdb Result: Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible. grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install. http://www.howtogeek.com/193669/whats-the-difference-between-gpt-and-mbr-when-partitioning-a-drive/ says: MBR (Master Boot Record) and GPT (GUID Partition Table) are two different ways of storing the partitioning information on a drive. Aha. Read on: https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/730440-using-the-new-guid-partition-table-in-linux-good-bye-ancient-mbr- GPT does not have primary and logical partitions, but just partitions as GParted shows (figure 1). When you're formatting a hard disk in GParted and want to use GPT, just select the gpt option, as in figure 2: fig-2 using-gparted: Figure 2: Using GParted to format a hard disk in GPT. GPT has several advantages over the MBR: ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
I didn’t turn on the screen reader. It was turned on by default. I am not sure how this happened. It's turned on automatically if you stay idle too long at the start of the install as you're presumed to be blind or hard at seeing.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
As I quoted above: When you're formatting a hard disk in GParted and want to use GPT, just select the gpt option, as in figure 2: fig-2 using-gparted: Figure 2: Using GParted to format a hard disk in GPT. GPT has several advantages over the MBR: ... Went back to GParted and reformatted the USB-connected hard drive using the GPT option, then tried: 1. sudo mkdir /x 2. sudo grub-install --root-directory=/x /dev/sdb Result: Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'. And of course, installing Trisquel 7 from the LiveDVD fails in the usual way.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How can I make a master boot record without resorting to Windows ?
Tried formatting with Disks again: Error setting partition type after formatting: Error setting partition flags on /dev/sdb1: Error spawning command-line `sgdisk --typecode 1:0fc63daf-8483-4772-8e79-3d69d8477de4 /dev/sdb': Failed to execute child process sgdisk (No such file or directory) (g-exec-error-quark, 8) (udisks-error-quark, 0) That's where it stands ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 7 weird spying voice
try in terminal: alsamixer see if the speaker is all the way up (it was 60%) on a fresh installation of debian wheezy. I turned it up all the way and now it's loud and pumping welcome to the community!
