Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
That made me feel good. Thank you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
How refreshing. Not really out-spoken advocacy, but it's a start. Maybe somene will see that strange desktop and want to learn more about it?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Family Buying Me Cellphone Without My Consent
Everyone here is correct that no one has the right to force you to do anything. That said, I know that it is hard not to let that happen in certain relationships. While I've started using JMP recently, I still have a cell phone that I leave at home but use to communicate with my family. I keep putting off telling them because my views on software freedom are relatively recent and I'm uncomfortable with people I've known for a long time realizing I've changed. Your situation is a little different, in that you have been getting along fine without a phone and people are used to you not having one. Using one would be a step backward. I would suggest getting rid of it or not using it, and explaining to your family why you are uncomfortable using it. Hopefully they will come to accept your decision, even if they don't understand it right now. That said, you know your family and I don't. If you really feel that your relationship with them would seriously suffer from not taking the phone out of the box, perhaps you could try doing what I do with friends who still try to call or text my cell phone. They know that I can only check my JMP messages when I am connected to WiFi, so they'll sometimes try to contact me through my phone hoping I'll respond faster. I intentionally only check my phone once a day, and when I respond I will do so through JMP. It might also help to make sure that you don't allow yourself to be held responsible for the "inconvenience" caused by not having a cell phone. If someone plans to meet you somewhere, you show up on time, and they can't contact you to change plans because you aren't carrying a cell phone, you are not the one who is being irresponsible. If they express worry over the fact that you can't call 911 with JMP, point out that the FCC recommends using a landline or payphone to call 911 because cell phones do not precisely provide your location to the dispatcher, making it difficult for emergency services to respond in time. It's true that landlines and payphones are becoming less common now, but cellphones are the cause, not the solution. Allowing cell phones to become so ubiquitous that they are they only way to get emergency assistance is the greater danger. That's only if you really feel that you must take the phone out of the box. I would suggest that you first refuse to touch the thing all, but family is complicated, I can't know your situation, and I won't tell you what to do. Just remember that no matter how much you are pressured, your principles and desire to be free are not the problem. Don't let anyone make you feel like you are the one being stubborn or difficult.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Family Buying Me Cellphone Without My Consent
Are you a minor? What do you mean by "shaming"? What are they saying? What are they telling you to do? What kind of government program?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
That is how I generally feel too. I think copyright is fine on arts and different works but just not when it comes to software generally because art really doesn't need to be changed. It doesn't get bugs it just has a message. If I were to write a book/ make a painting I would probably do a limited copyright that went to public domain/CCSomething after some time (years). At least that's the plan. Also "I own the sole right to allow or disallow anyone from using it." sounds nice, I like that idea. "I need money to live sadly..." This is generally why copyright was made anyway... so people could make money of their artistic/literative works. The way it is implemented now though is just not the best.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Family Buying Me Cellphone Without My Consent
Sounds like your family isn't respecting your decisions which is something you can't really control. You can assertively tell them your decision and why and stick with it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I agree very much with this. Free software is a choice that people should make, not something that should be imposed on them. Ubuntu is a good stepping-stone away from the sinister Windows/Apple world.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Family Buying Me Cellphone Without My Consent
I feel bad giving the device away, because I don't feel it's mine to give away. It's thru a government program. Not turning it on works for a while, just as keeping my mouth shut as police keep badgering me with questions works for a while. But after an hour or a few days with my family continually shaming me, I weaken my resolve.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
We need a balance between encouragement, enforcement towards freedom. IT is hard to do, but when people take a step towards free software, we should encourage them to go further, not condemn them for not going far enough.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Actually, with that attitude, I fear people will not understand our purposes. I think we should not condemn, or condone at the least if we disagree with such things... As for me, I may have changed my mind on using CC BY SA ver 4... I may make all of my books on a copyright. One that both expires within 30 years, but I own the sole right to allow or disallow anyone from using it. I need money to live sadly... I will however allow anyone who wants to when one is published to make a free software game if they want. It is my right after all. As long as you don't copy the text and are bringing the characters to life in a graphical sort of way... yeah. And of course when the 30 years expires it will automatically be set to become that license. That is my wish. That is my plan anyways. this will apply to each book. You can call me a traitor if you want, like you did him... but it will get you literally nowhere. I must first of course publish it, but yeah. If you have recommendations for publishers who will allow that let me know. If possible maybe 25 years? Yeah... for the whole series. That is all. ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] No open FSF/GNU forum?
leestro...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps there really is a need for someone to set up a free, open and independent forum, which can act as a focal-point for the Free Software community? How hard is it to set up/maintain a forum? I think the concept of a focal point is wrongheaded, particularly when it comes to free (as in freedom) discussion. Every free software project (even different GNU distribution) will continue to make their own choices for hosting and get into or avoid the problems I mention here. Also, we don't need a single point of focus any more than any other topic discussed anywhere needs one: let a thousand flowers bloom while recognizing that some choices are better at achieving certain ends than others. There are lots of books covering the same topics, lots of websites, and so on. Software freedom or the GNU OS can (and so far has) gone the same way. When it comes to what hosting software should be chosen, I find that web forums are highly overrated and ultimately a problem, not a solution. There are some concepts that have always been simply inappropriate for a centralized deployment. Web forums are currently deployed in a centralized way (on purpose) thus they are inherently censor-friendly, they're very hard to get complete and provably accurate archives from (by design; bad design choices), and they're likely to unnecessarily require Javascript (JS) to be fully useful. These two problems are sufficient to arm any anti-software freedom argument simply by pointing out the readily-apparent ironies. Web forum moderators/hosters also like to put in ridiculous non-features like rating systems on posts and use points gained/lost as a default way to keep low-scoring posts from being seen right along side high-scoring posts. I maintain that proper scoring, filtering, or anything like that is properly done only on the endpoint by the user, and done in a way that the servers that client uses have no idea the scoring/filtering is being done. In other words, my scores/filters are nobody else's business. Unmoderated mailing lists are only marginally better than web forums as commonly implemented today: no JS use needed (which is a huge plus and completely avoids the nonfree-JS problem), and they're more likely to send copies of posts immediately. Scoring systems implemented on mailing lists are very likely to fail as there's no standard for such a thing with emails (which is good). But they're still centralized; if one is kicked off the list one has to use another email address and possibly some subterfuge to get back on the list and that's not good. Public archives reading is easily curtailed through subscriber-only archives, and web-based archive access can also reintroduce the needless JS problem or fail to offer bulk archives in useful formats (like a compressed mbox archive). GMane goes some way toward fixing this, but even a hundred gmane workalikes wouldn't fix the underlying centralization. Archives become less reliable because the same party that could censor posts can also edit the archives (this problem would go away with widespread support for public key crypto use, but that's not popular enough to be practical for post verification now). But netnews (particularly with widely distributed newsgroups available on many news servers) is far better on this ground than either mailing lists or web forums: no JS needed at all, scoring is optional and done at the endpoint, and an increased chance of avoiding censorship through competitive service delivery. If one NNTP server blocks one from posting and/or reading there, or if some server admin does something foolish to the posts, users can move to other servers. Single-server newsgroups are a problem for the same reasons mailing lists and web forums are a problem -- a single point of failure and control (censorship) over the user.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Family Buying Me Cellphone Without My Consent
Are you asking how to dispose of unwanted electronics, or how to not use them? If the former, give them to someone else. If no one else wants it, give it to someone who takes electronics for recycling. Best Buy does this. If the latter... just don't turn it on? I don't know what else to tell you. What, are you incapable of telling someone that you choose not to use your phone? On a side note, why does anyone need your consent to buy you something? That's an awfully strange authoritarian perspective.
[Trisquel-users] Family Buying Me Cellphone Without My Consent
I have SMS and telephone access with Ekiga and Pidgin, using the JMP service, so I'm not completely without a phone. Yet, today I learned that my family has decided to get a cellphone for me behind my back. Every day I don't open it, they'll ask "Where's your phone?" How do I keep this phone out of my life?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
You mean, updating from Trisquel 7 to Trisquel 8?
Re: [Trisquel-users] No open FSF/GNU forum?
I'm new to mailing lists, but I'm finding them more convenient than forums.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?
This whole "init freedom" nonsense conflates technical convenience with freedom. You do not lack freedom to use something other than systemd because everyone else makes their code work exclusively with systemd. You can choose to use an outdated system, or fork that component, or develop a whole new component, or heck, you can even program a whole new OS from the ground up. Libre software is not about choosing what programs you run. No one is forcing you to run any program. Libre software is about your freedom to, if you choose, study and change the programs that you do run. systemd is ethical because you have the right to study, change, and share it. I don't care how little you like it. If you don't like it, don't use it. If you need it to use some other libre program, exercise your freedom to either change systemd to your liking, or remove the systemd dependency. That is your responsibility and your responsibility alone.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
I asked Ruben what needed to be done, because I was going to try to help out. He said the distro updater needs to be tested. Install a new Trisquel system, start the updater, and record what it does. Then modify the updater and start the test again.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Stephen Fry uses Ubuntu.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
GNOME was in a Justin Bieber music video once.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Doctorow is a traitor. He no longer uses CC licenses for his novels.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I'm not sure what, if anything, of Ubuntu was shown, but, a lead character mentioned it by name. Afaik, this has happened once in the entire series called The Big Bang Theory. Otherwise, characters are shown using Skype and their IThings. Oh, and I think Ubuntu got a brief mention in a Tom Clancy novel; I think all his books are best-sellers. A character was talking about outfitting laptops for field operatives in a ficticious intelligence agency, and how the operating system's openness and freedom allow the agency to purpos-build their systems. H, free software used to spy on folks; not sure I like that much... Now, if only I could remember which book this was... If I hadn't been using ShuttleworthOS at the time, I probably wouldn't have noticed. If only we could get more prominent placement.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
I believe this is the page you want to visit -> https://devel.trisquel.info/groups/trisquel
Re: [Trisquel-users] Either the rating system goes, or I will
Dude.. I mean, dude.. why leaving because of this crap, it's crap but that does not excuse you, you are not excused, so you can't leave.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
Lol :) Seriously though, is he not reviewing/accepting patches/merge requests (or whatever) that are being submitted? Or are there none being submitted? Is there a way we can see how many were submitted in the past 30 days? (I don't expect you to necessarily know the answer to all these questions, btw .. :) )
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
>but is there a comprehensive list of what needs to be done to make Trisquel 8 'complete' and ready for release? Nope, other than 'cloning Ruben, and then cloning Ruben's Ruben and the other one too' so they make up for 4 developers.. there's no way to make Trisquello ready for release :'(
Re: [Trisquel-users] Global Value Chains and the Missing Exports of the United States
mv thread /lounge
Re: [Trisquel-users] internet-undersea-cables
mv thread /lounge
Re: [Trisquel-users] No open FSF/GNU forum?
Just to follow up on this thread I started a while ago: I donated $10 to the FSF yesterday, because I was interested to try out their forum (as well as to contribute to their efforts on free software, of course!). I went on there, expecting to see a thriving free-software community, discussing various campaigns and projects. However, I must say I was disappointed by the lack of activity. I won't be any more specific, as I don't want to 'dish dirt' on another forum, but the activity is certainly less than on here. I guess it figures, seeing as it is only open to paying members. Perhaps there really is a need for someone to set up a free, open and independent forum, which can act as a focal-point for the Free Software community? How hard is it to set up/maintain a forum?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Untrusted packages
>What should I do? Remove the, eww, ppas, obviously. Consider compiling your software from source, it really is not rocket science. cheers
[Trisquel-users] Antwort: Either the rating system goes, or I will
"You did not post this thread to have an open exchange of ideas." You have no way of knowing my intentions when I posted this thread. Or did you somehow get a picture of my thoughts? I highly doubt it. Why would I open a thread like this and share my concerns with this community if not for one single reason, that is in order to have an open exchange of ideas? What other reason could there be? I have a busy and healthy social life, I don't need attention from a forum like this, despite what you might think. Now, if I really didn't want to have an open exchanged, I would have done precisely what you describe: "Anyone who qualifies their statements with "or I'll leave" should just leave. " Your whole argumentation makes no sense and I can now clearly see why you prefer pressing the downvote button...
Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?
I'm sure this is posted somewhere, but is there a comprehensive list of what needs to be done to make Trisquel 8 'complete' and ready for release? I have to admit I haven't tried it yet myself, but I am planning to install it on my desktop, as soon as I can find some time.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I found the video! Here it is: https://www.gnu.org/fry/happy-birthday-to-gnu.en.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Ok, that's cool. Stephen Fry seems like a good guy :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Yes, that is more what I was getting at. For example, Hollywood or TV stars, or musical artists. It seems to me that Free Software could really use one or two 'ambassadors' that have a high-profile outside the Free Software movement. Also, it's interesting that you mention product placement. It seems fairly rare that I see GNU/Linux used or mentioned on mainstream media. I guess it's hard to compete with the big advertising bucks from Microsoft/Apple/Google ...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I meant, except for rms and you, Adfeno, of course! XD
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I'm not sure how active he is or if he uses Free Software in his personal life, but Stephen Fry made the now pretty well known 25 Anniversary video for Gnu. I can't imagine he did it for the money.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
All of those are preachers to the choir. What I think the op is after are names of of celebrities who are known more for their work outside the free software connunity, but who are allies. Hence my mentioning a well-known SF author. On a related topic, who has seen product placement of a GNU/Linux distro in pop culture? Once, so far, I heard the name Ubuntu in a massively-popular sit-com.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
There are so many, please forgive me if I forget some names. Besides, this list is in alphabetic order, and I also inserted those beyond famous, because I don't want to keep giving credit only to specific already known "stars". - Adonay "adfeno" Felipe Nogueira (it's me, ;D), member of LibrePlanet Brasil; - Allison Randal, from FSF; - Alexandre "lxoliva" Oliva, from FSFLA; - Anahuac de Paula Gil, Brazilian famous for giving very useful talks that provoque people on questioning what they know about Tux, Linux, and open source, where in the end he always mentions and favors free/libre software philosophy; - Benjamin Mako Hill, from FSF(?); - Bradley "bkuhn" Kuhn, from Software Freedom Conservancy; - Christian Grothoff, talks about GNUnet and GNU Taler and mentions the free/libre software philosophy in these talks; - Christopher Allan Webber, developer and writer of some federation standards that are currently in the making; - Clayton "cdausacker" Eduardo Dausacker, member of LibrePlanet Brasil; - Eben Moglen, from Software Freedom Law Center; - John Sullivan, from FSF; - Karen Sandler, from Software Freedom Conservancy; - Katharina Nocun, politician which also gave a talk during Chaos Communication Congress 32c3 (2015) in favor of free/libre software, federated social networks and communications and also on distributed ones; - Larissa Oliva, Brazilian who gives talks on the importance of free/libre software and education, although I don't know if she gave talks on the importance of the philosophy. Anyways, seeing younger people getting interested in this area never stops amazing me; - Luis Villa, a lawyer and former developer; - Marianne Corvellec. She gave a talk on LibrePlanet 2017 providing an alternative view of the ethics (or lack of) in free/libre software movement and in open source development methodology; - Mathias Kirschner, from FSFE; - Matthew Garrett, known for the talk given in LibrePlanet 2013, where he describes the difference between Secure Boot and Restricted Boot; - Mike Gerwitz, from FSF; - Nelson de Luca Pretto, Brazilian who does research and talks describing the importance of free/libre software philosophy to education (if and when the education is to be made with computers); - Shauna Gordon-McKeon, gives speeches on democracy, artificial scarcity and free/libre software. As far as I remember, she gave talks both in LibrePlanet 2016 and 2017; - Sva, talks about GNU Taler and mentions the free/libre software philosophy in these talks; - Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo, Brazilian who gives talks about the importance of copyleft, community-oriented enforcement and free/libre software; I have listed some speakers that I remember just now, not users. Once again, forgive me if I forget one. ;) leestro...@gmail.com writes: > I'm just wondering if there are any celebrities that are known to use > Free Software? (apart from rms, obviously!) :) > -- - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno - Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com gratis). - "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo. - Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard - Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV. - Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] JAPAN - batteries
Just to dismiss the mystery: I am interested in finding cheap batteries for librebootable devices because I need new batteries for some librebootable devices and like to spend my money well! Tada. I have never encountered problems or even heard of someone who has when bringing batteries in or out of Japan. Electronic stuff is usually cheaper in Japan, and since I am going anyway, I thought 'why not see if I can find a good cheap battery in the Mecca of electronics?' Aaji, thanks for the advice. I think I'll do some research first and if nothing specific comes up, I'll go hunting. And yes, I am from and live in Denmark. But more proud to be a trisqueleer
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Ok, that's interesting. I hadn't heard of him, but I might have to check out some of his books :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
Thesci-fi author, Cory Doctorow comes to mind. He addressed this spring's Libreplanet conference and was a hit!
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 Last Touches
I like the Uruk control center and welcome screens. They give it a distinct look and feel; thanks for making sure the accessibility works on those custom screens. I would like to see the indicator applet replaced with the standard Mate applets, namely NetworkManager and Sound Volume. A Completed system-wide Guix setup would be a nice addition that further distinguishes Uruk. Finally, we need to bet a handle on these installation problems I and others have reported, such as Ubiquity crashing when installing on machines with UEFI. Thanks, Dave
[Trisquel-users] Are there any famous celebrities that advocate Free Software?
I'm just wondering if there are any celebrities that are known to use Free Software? (apart from rms, obviously!) :)
[Trisquel-users] internet-undersea-cables
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/04/tech/gallery/internet-undersea-cables/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?
Sra Heather Is all cool from my end.
[Trisquel-users] Global Value Chains and the Missing Exports of the United States
If trade statistics included the value of intellectual property rights associated with physical goods, the United States would see an increase in export capacity and a decrease in the trade deficit. More and more American multinational corporations are outsourcing the production and assembly of their products to foreign companies. When they do so, they derive the largest share of their revenue from the intellectual property embedded in core technological innovation and brand names. However, conventional trade statistics are compiled based on the value of goods crossing national borders, as declared to customs. Generally, the added value associated with intellectual property rights and embedded in physical goods is not recorded as either export or import of any country. Hence, current trade statistics greatly underestimate United States (US) exports and substantially exaggerate its trade deficit. In this paper, we use the case of Apple, the largest American consumer products company, to illustrate the failure of conventional trade statistics to report actual US export capacity in the age of global value chains. According to our analysis of this case, if the value added of Apple intellectual property sold to foreign consumers was counted as part of US exports, total US exports would increase by 3.2%, and its trade deficit would decrease by 6.4%. In terms of bilateral trade, the value added under examination here would lower the US trade deficit with the region comprising the People’s Republic of China; Hong Kong, China; Taipei,China; and Macau, China by 5.7%, and that with Japan by 7.8%. https://www.adb.org/publications/global-value-chains-and-missing-exports-united-states
Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?
I'm not going anywhere either. I think the health of the forums depends on us. Activism fatigue is very real and the negativity hurts the people who actually MAKE the goodies we love more than it hurts us. I need to do my homework so that I understand my own deviations from the vanilla install better and can explain them in more relevant terms than, "Copy and paste this into ~/foo.config! That's what Mr. Smart Person told me to do and it works great!" and I also need to stop logging on when I'm in a crappy mood and just want human interaction. I don't think I'm some perfect forum poster or anything, but this community is very important to both of us and I think we are an integral part of it. Community building is part of rms' lasting legacy, IMNSHO, and something I look at with awe and respect.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Upgrading Trisquel in a live CD
Megver83 is correct that arch-chroot will work. If you like Pacman and find Pacstrap helpful...why don't you just use Pacman on Trisquel? You could also create a custom ISO so you have a fallback that is closer to the system you want and has more recent updates on it that the stock Trisquel ISO. This makes for less work in the long run.
Re: [Trisquel-users] JAPAN - batteries
You could buy one online and have it shipped to wherever you are staying. I've done that when I realized I forgot something after the point it was not possible to return home.
Re: [Trisquel-users] JAPAN - batteries
Some countries don't allow you to bring batteries over a certain size on the plane, that could be the issue. Also, some people make efforts to disable their devices to make it harder to search them when leaving a country like the U.S.. If you dont have a battery or charger with you and the device is encrypted most airport security will give up. I know one person who only crosses boarders with a blank computer and then remotes into his computer at home for exactly this reason.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Either the rating system goes, or I will
Ok, I'll bite. I use the downvote feature from time to time to express that a thread is worthless without feeding the troll. A downvote doesn't prevent a thread from moving down the list of active threads like a comment does. I downvoted your topic when you posted this thread. I stand by that action. You did not post this thread to have an open exchange of ideas. You deserved to be downvoted. Anyone who qualifies their statements with "or I'll leave" should just leave. They are clearly overly invested in an online forum they are no longer able to contribute to. You have been here a long time, you have helped a lot of people. It would be better that you leave now to allow that legacy to stand than undermine it by posting threads that show you are not here for good reasons anymore. You have free speech, downvotes do no prevent you from using free speech. They do prevent you from using free speech WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. You are not entitled to have every post be well received or openly debated. People have that right to express their free speech by saying "man, what a shitty thing to say" downvote it, and move on with their lives. Today you are a troll. Tomorrow I hope you either make better choices or leave. Either way the community will be better off. I hope for the former, but its up to you. Continue to post like this and you can just assume any downvote you get is from me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?
He means the freedom to change init systems and use the one your want to. Systemd is not as easy to change as others because of all of the various crap it does as opposed to alternatives. There is also an active concern that Systemd undermining diversity of software generally speaking because most mainline distros are using it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] JAPAN - batteries
Hi GNUbahn, I live in Japan. If you want to hunt, you should go to the small computer shop of Akihabara for the time being. I think a major electronic appliances store does not stock.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?
init freedom? systemd is and has always been free software.
